Do people actually expect Scorpio to make a difference in the console war? Really?

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#201 Dakur
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@Antwan3K said:

@dakur: But you said everyone came back to PS3 once it launched.. If that is the case, then why did the 360 win the NPD for the vast majority of the generation and why did all 3rd party developers bring their PS2 exclusives to Xbox?..

Learn to read lem "once the PS3 was in the mix and started fixing its issues and getting exclusives people jumped back."

I'm getting tired of your constant incompetence in basic human interactions. Before replying to something human beings decode the letter symbols, comprehend their content and use their brains to answer. I think you're getting stuck in the first step.

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#202 Antwan3K
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@dakur: And what issues did the PS3 have in those first 3~ years?.. Was it poor public perception and multiplats that tended to run better on 360?.. Are you saying those are the issues they had to fix before they could start closing the sales gap?..

Thanks for acknowledging those simple facts.. If you lose the favor of the gaming public and mulitplats run better elsewhere, you're gonna be in a bad position when it comes to potential sales regardless of previous fan loyalty.. This was proven with the PS3 and again with the Xbox One..

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#203 Dakur
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@dakur: And what issues did the PS3 have in those first 3~ years?

Lack of exclusives and an elevated price, both were fixed by the third year and it basically kicked 360's ass. How much more do I need to own you so that you can learn kiddo?

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#204 kvally
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Based on the complete flop the PS Pro has been, I wouldn't be surprised that Scorpio sales tumble as soon as the hardcore gamers are done buying it in the first month.

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@dakur: Lol the PS3 didnt have exclusives for 3~ years?.. Wow dude..

Well in addition to that, the PS3 had an elevated price, worse performance for multiplats, and Sony totally screwed up their goodwill with the gaming community during the launch of the console.. Sony was able to eventually solve those issues, particularly with the launch of the PS4.. You see how things can change?..

By contrast, Microsoft has solved and is solving those same issues with the Xbox One S and Project Scorpio.. Haven't you noticed an increase in Xbox console sales since the Xbox One S released along with 4 consecutive NPD wins?..

It's plain and simple, if you lose favor with the gaming community via bad PR decisions and don't have an option for the best mulitplats, you lose marketshare.. Neither Microsoft, Nintendo, or Sony are immune to this and you implying that Sony is immune to this despite what happened with the PS3 is hilarious..

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#206 Dakur
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@dakur: Lol the PS3 didnt have exclusives for 3~ years?.. Wow dude..

Well in addition to that, the PS3 had an elevated price, worse performance for multiplats, and Sony totally screwed up their goodwill with the gaming community during the launch of the console.. Sony was able to eventually solve those issues, particularly with the launch of the PS4.. You see how things can change?..

By contrast, Microsoft has solved and is solving those same issues with the Xbox One S and Project Scorpio.. Haven't you noticed an increase in Xbox console sales since the Xbox One S released along with 4 consecutive NPD wins?..

It's plain and simple, if you lose favor with the gaming community via bad PR decisions and don't have an option for the best mulitplats, you lose marketshare.. Neither Microsoft, Nintendo, or Sony are immune to this and you implying that Sony is immune to this despite what happened with the PS3 is hilarious..

Yeah lem but focus, your butthurt is clouding your judgment. You're talking as if the PS3 got its ass kicked by the 360 when it was the other way around. Even with this "performance" issues that you claim the PS3 had, it beat the 360 with one year less thanks to exclusives.

MS has not solve shit with the xbone. They basically made a cheap movie player but they are not dealing with the lack of exclusives like Sony did with the PS3. That's why the xbone is such a failure and irrelevant and why you get owned over and over again.

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#207  Edited By cainetao11
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As far as numbers sold? No. We know Xbox is the underdog. More people around the world like PS.

But when it comes to having a quality 4k capable system rather than a load of bullshyte by Cerny 4kworkaround? Yup.

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#208  Edited By AzatiS
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@Antwan3K said:
@AzatiS said:
@djura said:
@Antwan3K said:

@AzatiS: Because regardless of what you personally believe, console gaming is stronger than ever.. Console gamers exist and many of them have no interest in PC gaming..

That simple logic destroys this tired argument of "why wouldn't you just build a gaming PC instead?!1"..

Yes, that's right. What's interesting is that a lot of people are inherently solipsistic with this stuff - they can't emapthise with other people who may have a different set of priorities or interests.

I mean, you could argue about the greatness of PC gaming until you're blue in the face - but it's like using arguments to convince someone to fall in love with you; at the end of the day, each person has their own desires/motivations/preferences. The inability to acknowledge that leads to a lot of the "console wars" or "platform wars" discussions, I'd say.

There are some major factors that relate to what platforms people will invest in, and a big part of that is convenience versus complexity. Other elements - like cost, exclusive IP, and even brand perception play a role.

We will see, we gonna be here when the time comes , be aware.

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@AzatiS: Many diehard PS2 fans jumped ship to 360 because it played multiplats better and had a better public perception than the PS3..

Many diehard 360 fans jumped ship to PS4 because it had played multiplats better and had a better public perception than the Xbox One..

Now if Project Scorpio has better multiplats and a better public perception than the PS4 Pro, what's stopping PS4 fans from jumping ship and/or it selling better?..

What ? Are you that blind bro ? Let me tell you the real story because seems your dont even know what happened. People jumped to X360 because

1) X360 released a whole year before PS3

2) X360 offered GREAT exclusives , i mean who didnt shit his pants with original Gears for example ?

3) PS3 price was A NONO for many smaller markets , in my own market for example PS3 costes 699euros ( more than 850$ at the time ) with a controller !! Do you get that not everyone on this planet getting more than 500-600euros per month salary or not ? And back then i was the only one predicted that because of that price PS3 will have a hard time to sell .. Guess what happened ... i got flamed like no other guy on planet from cows.

4) PS3 hardware DIDNT deliver all the greatness supposed it would and that showed on multis big time. That drive people away to the cheaper and to "better" performance of X360 !! Common sense ffs!

5) PS3 lacked major AAA caliber exclusives on release to push sales further ( YOU GET IT ? EXCLUSIVES!! ) You cant push an overpriced product with exclusives of MOTORSTORM caliber

Plus so many other issues PS3 had at the time but guess what !?!! Even with sooooo many issues PLUS SONY on the verge of bankruptcy and a whole year less in the market ... PS3 managed to end up on par with x360 on total sales and guess why ... Because of exclusives and because of cheaper price, period.

So exclusives and price wont matter ? Oh god ! We will see since to be fair , we dont know Scorpios price nor if in the end it will provide an exclusive or two. Better be that is.

clearly you missed the point.. your fellow blind cow @dakur seems to think that Sony 1st parties and the PlayStation brand ensures that Sony will always be on top.. I simply pointed out that if multiplatform performance and public perception is bad enough, any of these companies can lose ground to another..

And for the 100th time, if you're strictly a console gamer, Halo 6, Gears of War 4, Forza Horizon 3, Scalebound, Sea of Theives, Halo Wars 2, Crackdown 3, and many other games are still exclusive to Xbox consoles versus what PlayStation consoles are offering.. Keep up your "b bu but everyone ownz teh gaming PeeCee!!1!" crap all you want but console gamers exist, console gamers represent an extremely large portion of the gaming community, and console sales are at all time high.. no amount of fanboyism changes those facts..

You still talking generic craps as an answer to what i wrote. You are the one telling us that people jumped from PS2 to X360 for X reasons but youre wrong ! The reasons i mentioned are the big ones why did this happen.

And in the end of the day , for X360 to NOT BE able to win vs a multiproblem product like PS3 from a near to bankruptcy company ?!! Dont be so proud about it , if MS couldnt desicively win the war last generation theres no way in the world theyll manage that this generation with Scorpio or any other product they might come with.. Add the lack of exclusives and what SONY is doing with PS4 ... keep dreaming.

2017 , everyone owns a PC and the ones that are dedicated consolites , the market share im talking about , guess who has the bigger piece of that pie.

And something last : WORLDWIDE SALES >> NPD , just for the record , because thats how we gonna do it. The right way.

Thats the bottom line lem.

Ill quote all the BS im seeing , ask around i never forget. Your time will come , dont worry.

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#209 AzatiS
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@Antwan3K said:
@dakur said:
@Antwan3K said:
@dakur said:
@Antwan3K said:

@AzatiS: Many diehard PS2 fans jumped ship to 360 because it played multiplats better and had a better public perception than the PS3..

Many diehard 360 fans jumped ship to PS4 because it had played multiplats better and had a better public perception than the Xbox One..

Now if Project Scorpio has better multiplats and a better public perception than the PS4 Pro, what's stopping PS4 fans from jumping ship and/or it selling better?..

Bookmarked for future ownage. Stop repeating your delusional crap trying to convince yourself it's real.

People jumped from PS2 to 360 because 360 released one year before the PS3, once the PS3 was in the mix and started fixing its issues and getting exclusives people jumped back. People jumped from 360 to PS4 because the xbone was a disaster and they never fixed it by developing a strong exclusive library like Sony did with the PS3 and also because Sony generated trust with the PS3 by fixing its issues and having a strong exclusive library. So people trusted that Sony will deliver with the PS4 and they were right since in 2017 seems like Sony exclusives will surpass any expectations and the bone will be left in the ground with little case for its own worth. The Scorpio will flop lem and be mostly irrelevant for gaming purposes. Deal with it.

so if people immediately jumped back to the PS3 once it released, why did the 360 basically win NPD the entire generation and why did 3rd party devs bring their PS2 exclusive franchises to Xbox?..

The 360 didn't win NPD the entire generation, just part of it and the PS3 won worldwide by huge margins. But anyways, like I said the 360 releasing one year early was attractive to consumers and developers of course but MS dropped the ball by focusing in stuff other than games while Sony did focus on games and now they're kicking MS's ass and will continue to do so, Scorpio or not.

you didn't answer my question: if people immediately jumped back to the PS3 after it launched, why did the 360 win the NPD for the vast majority of the generation and why did nearly all PS2 exclusive 3rd party franchises eventually come to Xbox?..

The tears of lems this gen is out of control.

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#210  Edited By djura
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@AzatiS said:
@djura said:
@Antwan3K said:

@AzatiS: Because regardless of what you personally believe, console gaming is stronger than ever.. Console gamers exist and many of them have no interest in PC gaming..

That simple logic destroys this tired argument of "why wouldn't you just build a gaming PC instead?!1"..

Yes, that's right. What's interesting is that a lot of people are inherently solipsistic with this stuff - they can't emapthise with other people who may have a different set of priorities or interests.

I mean, you could argue about the greatness of PC gaming until you're blue in the face - but it's like using arguments to convince someone to fall in love with you; at the end of the day, each person has their own desires/motivations/preferences. The inability to acknowledge that leads to a lot of the "console wars" or "platform wars" discussions, I'd say.

There are some major factors that relate to what platforms people will invest in, and a big part of that is convenience versus complexity. Other elements - like cost, exclusive IP, and even brand perception play a role.

We will see, we gonna be here when the time comes , be aware.

When what time comes, O Soothsayer? :P

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#211 AzatiS
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@djura said:
@AzatiS said:
@djura said:
@Antwan3K said:

@AzatiS: Because regardless of what you personally believe, console gaming is stronger than ever.. Console gamers exist and many of them have no interest in PC gaming..

That simple logic destroys this tired argument of "why wouldn't you just build a gaming PC instead?!1"..

Yes, that's right. What's interesting is that a lot of people are inherently solipsistic with this stuff - they can't emapthise with other people who may have a different set of priorities or interests.

I mean, you could argue about the greatness of PC gaming until you're blue in the face - but it's like using arguments to convince someone to fall in love with you; at the end of the day, each person has their own desires/motivations/preferences. The inability to acknowledge that leads to a lot of the "console wars" or "platform wars" discussions, I'd say.

There are some major factors that relate to what platforms people will invest in, and a big part of that is convenience versus complexity. Other elements - like cost, exclusive IP, and even brand perception play a role.

We will see, we gonna be here when the time comes , be aware.

When what time comes, O Soothsayer? :P

haha