Do people actually expect Scorpio to make a difference in the console war? Really?

@AzatiS: Because regardless of what you personally believe, console gaming is stronger than ever.. Console gamers exist and many of them have no interest in PC gaming..

That simple logic destroys this tired argument of "why wouldn't you just build a gaming PC instead?!1"..

Don't waste your time dude... just another dumb cow.

@hrt_rulz01: I guess with your simple mentality you think every one here is on one side or the other, but you would be wrong. I don't hold with mindless brand loyalty. Even so, it's easy to trash that which is obviously trash.

Try harder or go home.

PC gaming is stronger than ever , for some years now , is just that now noone can deny that , including die hard consolites that used to find reasons to diss PC gaming like controllers , lack of console oriented games like fighting games for example , couches and tables and installs etc etc

Now , with that being said , im not against console gaming. In fact i like it , thats why every generation im playing alot of games from different consoles WITHOUT personally own one. So what games am i playing and i found great on consoles ? EXCLUSIVES .... And what Scorpio will be missing ? EXCLUSIVES ... and what Scorpio will end up bragging about since its missing exclusives big time ? How great MULTIS look VS PS4pro !

So use your simple logic and answer me , WHY i should buy a scorpio and not a cheaper PRO or even that crappy Switch to play some EXCLUSIVES OR even better to not upgrade my PC with a new 2017 GPU/CPU ( thats what im waiting ) and play everything Scorpio will offer ( multis in short ) in way higher quality plus having all the benefits PC can offer me like free and way better online , cheaper game prices , better multiplayer experience , better graphics , mods , free games plus everything else ?

Explain me please with your simple logic why should i buy Scorpio ? To play multis with better frames or graphical fidelity than PRO and be happy about it? lol

Yeah because saying that XB1 has sh** games and are all shooters & sports games isn't a "simple mentality" or "mindless brand loyalty"... try again hypocrite.

Sorry if I hurt your little feelings, but if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck. Xbox gamers didn't buy FFXV, and they don't buy anything that isn't... you guessed it: shooters or sports games.

Care to share the actual sales numbers that prove your claim that Xbox gamers ONLY buy shooters and sport games and NOTHING else? Should be interesting to see the actual proper sales numbers that support this general claim...

@AzatiS: I never said PC gaming wasn't strong.. But again, why would a console gamer who has no interest in PC gaming, build a PC rather than buy Project Scorpio?..

And to answer your question, you (as an owner of a gaming PC) have no reason to buy Project Scorpio if you have no interest in taking advantage of cross-buy, cross-save, cross-online play with your Xbox console.. You can just simply support Xbox gaming by purchasing Xbox Play Anywhere games for your PC.. Believe, Microsoft and the Xbox gaming division are already happy that you've built a Windows 10 PC and are supporting Xbox Play Anywhere, UWP, and the Windows Store.. As far as their concerned, you're already an Xbox customer at that point.. Who cares if you decide to not buy Project Scorpio in addition to that?..

@hrt_rulz01: He's referencing the much higher sales of FFXV on PS4 in the UK versus the Xbox One version.. That still doesn't change the fact that a JRPG like FFXV is available on Xbox One.. I'm still waiting to hear about all this gaming variety that exists on PS4 but not on Xbox One as well.. What genres aren't represented on Xbox One?..

You know there exists no such data on the subject, but anyone with any sense can see that to be the case. Of course I'd never expect the Xbox faithful to admit it, but we all know it's true.

Polls, daily forum posts, the fact that Xbox isn't getting games like Persona 5, KH 3, Ni No Kuni 2, Shenmue 3, Dragon Quest XI and many other third party games proves it to be the case. You guys are lucky to be getting a few WRPGs on the system.

Yeah, likewise.

His statement sounded pretty absolute, so it shouldn't be hard to see some actual evidence to back-up his claims...

@Ghost_Dub: So JRPGs represent the entirety of your "PS4 has all the gaming variety and Xbox One doesn't".. Gotcha.. And refresh my memory, when was Shenmue 3 confirmed to be a PS4 exclusive?.. (honest question, i thought it was multiplat)

It's confirmed to be on PS4 and PC, but not Xbox One. There's another example of something different selling poorly on Xbox systems (Shenmue 2). Shenmue isn't a JRPG by the way. Just having JRPGs gives PS4 more variety than Xbox One. Just one genre makes all the difference in the world.

@Ghost_Dub: So no evidence... thought so.

I've, in fact, played many games on my XB1 that aren't shooters or sports games. But anyway...

If you expect people to have "solid facts" about every word they type, you're not being genuine. It's a shabby wall to hide behind.

Just out of curiosity... how many of you three actually own something other than Xbox One? Just curios because I own both systems and that affords one to draw some real comparisons not possible on message boards and trailers.

@Ghost_Dub: The JRPG genre does exist on Xbox One, FFXV is a JRPG after all.

And I game on Xbox and PC.. I've owned every Sony console except for the PS4.. The shift towards mid-generation upgrades and the fact that nearly all major titles are multiplats has caused me to abandon my plans on picking up a PS4 and now I'll simply consolidate my gaming with just Xbox/Win10.. If ecosystems and digital services are the future, I'll roll with Xbox Live..

And over the years I've shifted more towards WRPGs than JRPGs, so that genre is a non-factor for me.. I may pick up FFXV eventually though

@Ghost_Dub: It's not really relevant what I own... I wasn't the one making the very generalized statements.

Yep...

Fair enough.

With that being said , no reason for someone to buy Scorpio except the die hard fans of Xbox brand or the ones that want a 4K player because

You want console EXCLUSIVES = PS4/Switch

You want EXCLUSIVES AND the best version of Multis = PC

Theres no room for scorpio there just because will be "the most powerful console" or " look how better Scorpios plays X-Y-Z multi than PS4 PRO " . It wont work if it lacks exclusives big time , too late for that when SONY or even NINTENDO showing exclusive after exclusive in every event.

@AzatiS: You forgot one:

You want EXCLUSIVES on console AND the best version of Multis on console = Project Scorpio

This is because at the end of the day, if you have no interest in PC gaming, you can't play Gears of War 4, Forza Horizon 3, Scalebound, Halo Wars 2, Sea of Thieves, Crackdown 3, and etc on any console other than an Xbox console..

@Antwan3K: How much are you being PAID to push a system that's not even out yet? I hope it's a bunch.

it's all about the games. Ps4 has the game lineup this year. Xbone doesnt. the question remains whether Scorpio does or not. If yes, then Scorpio will propel the Xbox brand, if not, then it wont

@Ghost_Dub: what are you getting PAID to bash a system that's not even out yet?..

Nope

I know the lems desperately hope it does, after getting smacked in the mouth for the last 4 years...but it's just going to be a suped up XBone.

Let's be honest here, the average person isn't going to go out and drop $400-600 on a console that plays the same damn games that a 4 year old console does...but at moderately improved resolutions.

The lems who think this thing is going to rival a high-end PC are delusional and just showing their complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

I'm just sharing my opinion about it, while you on the other hand, are trying to sell it to everybody who posts here.

@Ghost_Dub: I'm just sharing my opinion on it as well.. You're just trying to make it sound pointless to everyone who posts here..

Think It's a bit to late to make a big difference in this gen but as a gamer I'm very interested to see how it turns out

I doubt many games use it though.

If MS wants to target PC gamers, first thing's first. MS needs to add universal mouse and keyboard support to XB1 games. I looked up some articles on that matter and MS is indeed working on adding mouse and keyboard support.

Ars Technica: Microsoft: Xbox One mouse and keyboard support is “months away”

That's a good sign.

For you is the thing that you seem to not realize. I dont like JRPGs so to me the PS4 actually offers less variety than Xbox currently does. I'm also not a Souls game fan or a big fan of single player RPGs. So to me the only big exclusive games PS4 has had this gen that are worth buying one for have been SFV and Ratchet & Clank.

Also, I actually own a PS4 that I basically gave to my kids because the games I bought it for (Deep Down, KUF2, EQ Next) never came out/got cancelled and I wasnt using it. Yeah I was stupid and fell for the Sony's hype.

I don't really see the point of your comments here. Its like you and the rest of the cows here cant comprehend people like things that you dont.

@AzatiS: You're still basing you're argument on the logically fallacy that everyone already has a gaming PC or would want to build one if they dont just because you would. Not having to build a PC level gaming machine is a big incentive for some people. To a person that doesnt have a PC, a game available on Xbox but not available on PS4 even if its already on PC is still a reason to buy an Xbox.

Easiest examples. I played Ark Survival and Elite Dangerous with a group of friends for over a year on Xbox when they werent available on PS4. Yes, Ark just came out on PS4, but I've been playing it for over a year on Xbox and E:D still isnt out on PS4.

You also keep bringing up the argument that 'having the best multiplats with no exclusives isnt a reason to buy a Scorpio'.

But for the first two years of this gen when PS4 had no exclusives, that was the exact argument that cows used to justify owning a PS4 over an Xbox. So why does the paradigm suddenly shift because MS will now have the superior hardware?

All these Scorpio conjecture threads are just that. Cows think it wont sell or matter, but they really arent being honest with themselves and these threads really are them projecting what they hope to happen than the potential reality.

Just like cows said PSVR would sell 2.5 million by Christmas but were extra wrong, cows are wrong about this too imho.

Scorpio isnt going to suddenly catapult Xbox into the sales lead, but it'll sell well and increase the Xbox base into a more competitive position theres no doubt about it in my mind.

We'll see when it comes out.

Do otherwise smart people actually believe anyone who questions or disapproves of something is automatically a fanboy for the other side? How quaint...

@Ghost_Dub: you need to ask yourself that question since thats exactly what you did in this thread.

Youll see when it comes out and the years afterwards , because we wont play the game of first or second month. We gonna play what it matters most , the long run game.

And yes , as i predicted years ago that VR it will be underwhelming in both sales and games even before PC VR machines released , so i do for Scorpio. For someone to buy it is a nonsense instead of PC , period.

It will sell ? Ofc it will . Will have great sales for a long period of time and catch up with PS4 ? Keep dreaming ! Will be a success in big markets for a while and thats it.

While SONY will be offering a cheaper machine along AAA exclusive caliber games and when in future E3s and events will make people screaming out of excitement while showing exclusives , MS will marketing Scorpio as what exactly to make people buy it? A 4K player ? A Pricey product ? A multiplatform system that plays multiplatform games with higher graphical fidelity ? Play Anywhere or controllers ? 4K player or HDR ? How exactly will be in competitive position sales wise after a year or two in the market, explain me because i can talk also generic craps and after a while say "i told you so" .

Because all you do is talking generic and not specific. Itll sell well you say , explain further. What is well ? What share will have in the market worldwide compared to PS4/Switch ? Who will buy it ? What markets will find it appealing worldwide other than NA/UK ? What will be its strong point for it to sell since it lacks exclusives and being pricey ? How many willing to buy it worldwide as we speak in order for MS to catch up SONY this generation ?

You dont answer nothing really than say a generic " more competitive position " ... So what that means exactly ?

Who the hell is willing to buy the most expensive console to play multiplatforms dammmit ?! We living in 2016 not in 90s. No hell , even in 90s consoles had tremendous exclusives to offer and it was their main sell point.

At least there's one positive thing about Scorpio. I think its safe to assume that it will never have a game running in 720p. Thanks gawd.

Actually this is nonsense. As a PC gamer almost exclusively I still plan on picking a scorpio up over a ps4 pro. I have both xbox one and ps4 now. I still on occasion like playing games in my living room. And as far as controller support and ease of use consoles still are a class above PC. Its also MUCH harder to get a decent console like form factor for PC's.

And I'm going to use the term exclusive like a normal human being, games on xbox not on ps4 are considered exclusive in this industry. Second you're kind of using excuses to avoid buying an xbox, thats not how normal people think. If someone wants halo, and wants to put it on their 60" tv, then they are buying an xbox. Or any number of games.

Yes, that's right. What's interesting is that a lot of people are inherently solipsistic with this stuff - they can't emapthise with other people who may have a different set of priorities or interests.

I mean, you could argue about the greatness of PC gaming until you're blue in the face - but it's like using arguments to convince someone to fall in love with you; at the end of the day, each person has their own desires/motivations/preferences. The inability to acknowledge that leads to a lot of the "console wars" or "platform wars" discussions, I'd say.

There are some major factors that relate to what platforms people will invest in, and a big part of that is convenience versus complexity. Other elements - like cost, exclusive IP, and even brand perception play a role.

@djura: Well said

@AzatiS: Many diehard PS2 fans jumped ship to 360 because it played multiplats better and had a better public perception than the PS3..

Many diehard 360 fans jumped ship to PS4 because it had played multiplats better and had a better public perception than the Xbox One..

Now if Project Scorpio has better multiplats and a better public perception than the PS4 Pro, what's stopping PS4 fans from jumping ship and/or it selling better?..

Bookmarked for future ownage. Stop repeating your delusional crap trying to convince yourself it's real.

People jumped from PS2 to 360 because 360 released one year before the PS3, once the PS3 was in the mix and started fixing its issues and getting exclusives people jumped back. People jumped from 360 to PS4 because the xbone was a disaster and they never fixed it by developing a strong exclusive library like Sony did with the PS3 and also because Sony generated trust with the PS3 by fixing its issues and having a strong exclusive library. So people trusted that Sony will deliver with the PS4 and they were right since in 2017 seems like Sony exclusives will surpass any expectations and the bone will be left in the ground with little case for its own worth. The Scorpio will flop lem and be mostly irrelevant for gaming purposes. Deal with it.

We will see, we gonna be here when the time comes , be aware.

What ? Are you that blind bro ? Let me tell you the real story because seems your dont even know what happened. People jumped to X360 because

1) X360 released a whole year before PS3

2) X360 offered GREAT exclusives , i mean who didnt shit his pants with original Gears for example ?

3) PS3 price was A NONO for many smaller markets , in my own market for example PS3 costes 699euros ( more than 850$ at the time ) with a controller !! Do you get that not everyone on this planet getting more than 500-600euros per month salary or not ? And back then i was the only one predicted that because of that price PS3 will have a hard time to sell .. Guess what happened ... i got flamed like no other guy on planet from cows.

4) PS3 hardware DIDNT deliver all the greatness supposed it would and that showed on multis big time. That drive people away to the cheaper and to "better" performance of X360 !! Common sense ffs!

5) PS3 lacked major AAA caliber exclusives on release to push sales further ( YOU GET IT ? EXCLUSIVES!! ) You cant push an overpriced product with exclusives of MOTORSTORM caliber

Plus so many other issues PS3 had at the time but guess what !?!! Even with sooooo many issues PLUS SONY on the verge of bankruptcy and a whole year less in the market ... PS3 managed to end up on par with x360 on total sales and guess why ... Because of exclusives and because of cheaper price, period.

So exclusives and price wont matter ? Oh god ! We will see since to be fair , we dont know Scorpios price nor if in the end it will provide an exclusive or two. Better be that is.

Alt cows, everywhere you look, alt cows. Sheesh, life in the Slow lane has really gotta suck.

Mighty Scorpio Baby !!! :P

@frank_castle: no one thinks it will rival a high end PC. I love how the cows and detractors all pull these random statements out of thin air that they attribute to lems.

so if people immediately jumped back to the PS3 once it released, why did the 360 basically win NPD the entire generation and why did 3rd party devs bring their PS2 exclusive franchises to Xbox?..

clearly you missed the point.. your fellow blind cow @dakur seems to think that Sony 1st parties and the PlayStation brand ensures that Sony will always be on top.. I simply pointed out that if multiplatform performance and public perception is bad enough, any of these companies can lose ground to another..

And for the 100th time, if you're strictly a console gamer, Halo 6, Gears of War 4, Forza Horizon 3, Scalebound, Sea of Theives, Halo Wars 2, Crackdown 3, and many other games are still exclusive to Xbox consoles versus what PlayStation consoles are offering.. Keep up your "b bu but everyone ownz teh gaming PeeCee!!1!" crap all you want but console gamers exist, console gamers represent an extremely large portion of the gaming community, and console sales are at all time high.. no amount of fanboyism changes those facts..

I don't understand why all you guys shout and spout "the exclusives"? They don't matter to the vast majority! Real lif isn't not system wars. Like really have any of you ever worked retail or game store? People see the commercial for COD on PS4 and that's the only system they think they can get it on.

Nintendo is the only exception to the rule as they have the best most family friendly first party games. I hope Switch is decent and successful but I would be thrilled if I could play nintendos games else where like Xbox.

The 360 didn't win NPD the entire generation, just part of it and the PS3 won worldwide by huge margins. But anyways, like I said the 360 releasing one year early was attractive to consumers and developers of course but MS dropped the ball by focusing in stuff other than games while Sony did focus on games and now they're kicking MS's ass and will continue to do so, Scorpio or not.

you didn't answer my question: if people immediately jumped back to the PS3 after it launched, why did the 360 win the NPD for the vast majority of the generation and why did nearly all PS2 exclusive 3rd party franchises eventually come to Xbox?..

You are really really dumb or you can't understand basic english, let's see repeat with me kiddo: "the... 360... releasing... one... year... early... was... attractive... to... consumers... and... developers... of... course...". Now is that clear enough or should I make a drawing? I could also organize a theater play or a kid's song with rhymes in case you're still having trouble grasping this.

@dakur: But you said everyone came back to PS3 once it launched.. If that is the case, then why did the 360 win the NPD for the vast majority of the generation and why did all 3rd party developers bring their PS2 exclusives to Xbox?..