Do we need Microsoft in the video game industry?

M$ are the cancer of the game industry.

Gue1

We need all the competition we can get. It's the only way innovation occurs.

Can anyone explain why cows are so mad at 360s success? Anyone?

Can anyone explain why cows are so mad at 360s success? Anyone?

jimmypsn

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Can anyone explain why cows are so mad at 360s success? Anyone?

PressXtoJump

The money they made on the Xbox brand that was more than when they started.

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Can anyone explain why cows are so mad at 360s success? Anyone?

The money they made on the Xbox brand that was more than when they started.

for PC gaming yes. For console gaming, no. **** screw online fees and 53% hardware failure rates.

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[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"] what success, xbox and xbox 360 sales numbers combined dont even come close to PS2 sales, let alone combined PS1 and PS3 salesPressXtoJump

The money they made on the Xbox brand that was more than when they started.

All in all, the success of an individual system to its parent company has nothing to do with its relative sales in comaprison to its competitiors. If we were arguing the console war, the PS3 and 360 lost horribly. If we go by the individual profits Sony and Microsoft see from their gaming branches, which one was loser? I couldn't tell you because I see many figures saying they both gained and lost a lot of money.

We're not arguing the console war here. If we were, it's just the losers clammoring for least pathetic loss.

More competition is always a good thing, so yes. Without MS, PSN and Nitendo Online wouldn't be as great as they are now (and yes to the misinformed, Wii U online is the same as XBL and PSN aside from cross game chat).

More competition is always a good thing, so yes. Without MS, PSN and Nitendo Online wouldn't be as great as they are now (and yes to the misinformed, Wii U online is the same as XBL and PSN aside from cross game chat).

ShadowMoses900

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More competition is always a good thing, so yes. Without MS, PSN and Nitendo Online wouldn't be as great as they are now (and yes to the misinformed, Wii U online is the same as XBL and PSN aside from cross game chat).

mems_1224

It's the same. Coming from a 360 and WiiU owner.

More competition is always a good thing, so yes. Without MS, PSN and Nitendo Online wouldn't be as great as they are now (and yes to the misinformed, Wii U online is the same as XBL and PSN aside from cross game chat).

ShadowMoses900

More competition is always a good thing, so yes. Without MS, PSN and Nitendo Online wouldn't be as great as they are now (and yes to the misinformed, Wii U online is the same as XBL and PSN aside from cross game chat).

ShadowMoses900

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Can anyone explain why cows are so mad at 360s success? Anyone?

PressXtoJump

In order for the industry to advance and not become stagnant?

Personally, i feel Sony and Nintendo are enough.

What do you think?

SonyNintendoFan

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

More competition is always a good thing, so yes. Without MS, PSN and Nitendo Online wouldn't be as great as they are now (and yes to the misinformed, Wii U online is the same as XBL and PSN aside from cross game chat).

mems_1224

I don't own a Wii U but I do own a 360. I couldn't give a rats ass if you believe me or not. It's the same, I played Black Ops 2 on Wii U and it does everything XBL does except for cross chat. And just like PSN, free >>> 60$ cross game chat.

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More competition is always a good thing, so yes. Without MS, PSN and Nitendo Online wouldn't be as great as they are now (and yes to the misinformed, Wii U online is the same as XBL and PSN aside from cross game chat).

SonyNintendoFan

I haven't used the online store before, so can't comment. You can read my impressions of the Wii U here-My Wii U Impressions (so far)

I give my pros and cons based off of MY experience with it so far, by no means am I saying that everyone's experience with it is the same. But as far as online gaming goes it's not different from XBL or PSN.

Well I don't know that we "need" them per se. But, even though they are my least favorite of the three major players, I still love the Xbox and a lot of the stuff microsoft makes. So I certainly do LOVE having them around and would be sad if they went away.

With MS around people who think "Halo is revolutionary, the best and only game worth playing" aren't playing on the systems I prefer... so... I would say yes.

Of course we do. Competition drives innovation forward and prices down. Without them, this generation would have been dominated by an $800 hard-drive and the bloody Wii. Sounds rather hellish to me....

lol Sony needs to leave! face it they are doing notihng , they waste money on numerous ips that cant sell to the masses , the main sellers are what they should focus on more , eg twisted metal gt kz or uncharted, these other ones meh ,,

but even then they made many mistakes this gen and with the vita ,

lol Sony needs to leave! face it they are doing notihng , they waste money on numerous ips that cant sell to the masses , the main sellers are what they should focus on more , eg twisted metal gt kz or uncharted, these other ones meh ,,

but even then they made many mistakes this gen and with the vita ,

mariokart64fan

Sony actually tries to be innovative and produce art. Microsoft only cares about money. That is why I prefer PS3 and soon the PS4. Enjoy your boring Gears, Halo and Call of Duty multiplayer. I would almost guarantee that the average IQ of PS3 owners is higher than the unwashed masses that love Xbox.

I think that the console model is obsolete. You buy an Xbox, wait 7 years for Microsoft to make a new one, and then you buy another Xbox now that you're tired of the old one. If consoles had a more open ecosystem there would be a bunch of configurations for different users available for what suits your needs. Heck, even Apple comes out with a new iPhone every year, so why does it take Microsoft 7 years to make a new darned Xbox, and Sony 7 years to make a new Playstation? And don't even get me started on Nintendo-- they waited until the PS3 and Xbox 360 were already old hags just to release a system that was capable of running the same games.

PS1 & PS2 succeeded and trumped the competition......all without popularizing Online (or charging for it), and focused more on the Core gaming market, the single player experience, and bonding with 3rd party developers. PSN would inevitably come to frutition even without MS in the picture, since Sony was ALSO developing PCs/Laptops at the time and the idea of broadband online gaming would eventually come true.

So yeah. As much as I love my 360 (but not over my PS3), MS is really that "3rd Wheel" in this industry. Imo. The few things that MS really really provided the gaming industry are:

1. popularizing online MP gaming (leading to half-ss SP experiences in most games today)
2. and charging for it
3. streamlining that Online MP experience (and charging for it)
4. Halo (popularizing the console FPS experience)
5. mind phucking morons into buying XBL Gold, just to experience a streamlined MP Online service

Just my opinion, of course :cool::lol:;):lol:

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lol Sony needs to leave! face it they are doing notihng , they waste money on numerous ips that cant sell to the masses , the main sellers are what they should focus on more , eg twisted metal gt kz or uncharted, these other ones meh ,,

but even then they made many mistakes this gen and with the vita ,

StrongBlackVine

Sony actually tries to be innovative and produce art. Microsoft only cares about money. That is why I prefer PS3 and soon the PS4. Enjoy your boring Gears, Halo and Call of Duty multiplayer. I would almost guarantee that the average IQ of PS3 owners is higher than the unwashed masses that love Xbox.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Lol @ people claiming that the industry wouldn't be as good without M$. The industry was fine without them and would've continue being fine without them. Of course no one would've introduced crap like charging for online.Rocker6

Yeah... there'd be no on-line to charge for!

If we had only the PS3 and Wii, console on-line would be abysmal...

PS1 & PS2 succeeded and trumped the competition......all without popularizing Online (or charging for it), and focused more on the Core gaming market, the single player experience, and bonding with 3rd party developers. PSN would inevitably come to frutition even without MS in the picture, since Sony was ALSO developing PCs/Laptops at the time and the idea of broadband online gaming would eventually come true.

So yeah. As much as I love my 360 (but not over my PS3), MS is really that "3rd Wheel" in this industry. Imo. The few things that MS really really provided the gaming industry are:

1. popularizing online MP gaming (leading to half-ss SP experiences in most games today)
2. and charging for it
3. streamlining that Online MP experience (and charging for it)
4. Halo (popularizing the console FPS experience)
5. mind phucking morons into buying XBL Gold, just to experience a streamlined MP Online service

Just my opinion, of course :cool::lol:;):lol:

KingsofQueens

Sony tried to get the old PlayStation 2 online but it was quite the miserable failure from what I heard. I can only think it was awful from my experiences of the PlayStation 3s online which obviously should have been better than whatever they had on the PS2. So I think its safe to say, without Microsofts intervention, the PlayStation 3s online would have been woeful for many years. I have not seen the PS3 UI in about 2 or 3 years so I am not sure if they have updated it, but the whole communitity part is terrible. The online store was horrible, it was just crap. Plain and simple.

So with respect to your list; here is my version of your list.
1. Popularising quite honestly the most important and industry making move in recent console history. Xbox live has brought millions of gamers together. It has created online communities where people can sit in their pants infront of their big screen tv, and play games with their friends. Its not Microsofts fault that developers and their managers saw how many more people wanted to play online rather than a story. Admidtly I would say the market is still there for single player but single player in previous generations is rather primitive and would be classed as overly simple by todays standards.
2. Charging for online is a big debate. It has given Microsoft extra money and nobody aside from the PC platform can match them in online support and general great experience. There is no argument when deciding who gives the better experience. Also Sony has started charging for online things as well... yet zero mention of things like that. Plus must we forget Home, where you would buy clothes for your avatar with real money... that was before Microsoft decided to do that with its own avatars.
3. Again they give a supperior experienc Bar the PC platform. People vote with their wallets.
4. A positive, shocking. But also providing gamers with alternative titles that challenge Sonys best. Sony doesnt have a 3rd person shooter that is equal to gears, Sonys racing giant is arguably worse than Forza 4, Sony lacked for most of the gen any real multiplat support that rivaled microsofts console. In all honesty, you buy a Playstation 3 for the exclusives, because sadly they are the only company now really pushing for anything new.
5. Sony fails to create any sort of decent online platform and allows major competitor to offer a service which customers have to pay for. I say again, people voted with their wallets.

So with that, its been Sony who has been the third wheel for the majority of this Gen. They failed to truely capatalise against a console that literally set on fire in peoples houses, who had to pay excessive amounts for things like the wireless, they won in the platform war, they had by far the largest market share ever leading into this generation... yet somehow ended up last. Sony has provided us with the most gimicks this generation, all of which have failed nicely :P

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Lol @ people claiming that the industry wouldn't be as good without M$. The industry was fine without them and would've continue being fine without them. Of course no one would've introduced crap like charging for online.kuraimen

Yeah... there'd be no on-line to charge for!

If we had only the PS3 and Wii, console on-line would be abysmal...

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Yeah... there'd be no on-line to charge for!

If we had only the PS3 and Wii, console on-line would be abysmal...

o0squishy0o

As a corporation I think Micro$oft is the worst thing ever happened and I hate them, however I'm glad Xbox brand exists for various reasons. To be honest lately I've been concerned the way M$ is pushing the next box and I'm worried they'll just ruin everything.

Hold up, now we're talking about who needs what.

Nintendo hasn't really made anything standard in quite some time. They've been copy and pasting their own games for a good while now. And most core gamers chose something else over the GC, never really played their Wii and there's no proof the Wii U will become a big deal, Nintendo don't even push technology anymore. So let's not act like their place is cemented out of nostalgia.

Now talking about nostalgia, Sony really hasn't done much this gen. A few new ips that were above average and they they couldn't even be bothered to market them. The PS3 has been playing catch up in most departments and is now a western console. The X360 and PS3 share most of the same games, even Japanese devs would rather develop for the the PS2. Hell, the PS3 already been out sold by the 3DS in Japan. And like every one else they've copied a lot of ideas from else where this gen.

So let's not act like we need them either. Forget the NES, SNES and N64, the PS1 and 2. Those consoles and days are gone. Nintendo and Sony act different now and i'm not impressed. As someone who has owned most Nintendo consoles and has tried really hard to justify spending over £175 on a PS3 when it seems to now have the same identity as the 360. They don't derserve their place anymore than MS.

Hold up, now we're talking about who needs what.

Nintendo hasn't really made anything standard in quite some time. They've been copy and pasting their own games for a good while now. And most core gamers chose something else over the GC, never really played their Wii and there's no proof the Wii U will become a big deal, Nintendo don't even push technology anymore. So let's not act like their place is cemented out of nostalgia.

Now talking about nostalgia, Sony really hasn't done much this gen. A few new ips that were above average and they they couldn't even be bothered to market them. The PS3 has been playing catch up in most departments and is now a western console. The X360 and PS3 share most of the same games, even Japanese devs would rather develop for the the PS2. Hell, the PS3 already been out sold by the 3DS in Japan. And like every one else they've copied a lot of ideas from else where this gen.

So let's not act like we need them either. Forget the NES, SNES and N64, the PS1 and 2. Those consoles and days are gone. Nintendo and Sony act different now and i'm not impressed. As someone who has owned most Nintendo consoles and has tried really hard to justify spending over £175 on a PS3 when it seems to now have the same identity as the 360. They don't derserve their place anymore than MS.

HalcyonScarlet

how about screw the BIG 3? We might need some new blood...

I'd like to see maybe:

*Valve steambox

*A sega comeback?? Anyone?

*Nvidia console?? (not the handheld shield) this would be actually interesting I think since these guys could develop they're own GPUs and maybe even CPUs.

*Maybe an AMD console?

Please no Apple console... I do not want to see an overrated iGAME for like 1000

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Hold up, now we're talking about who needs what.

Nintendo hasn't really made anything standard in quite some time. They've been copy and pasting their own games for a good while now. And most core gamers chose something else over the GC, never really played their Wii and there's no proof the Wii U will become a big deal, Nintendo don't even push technology anymore. So let's not act like their place is cemented out of nostalgia.

Now talking about nostalgia, Sony really hasn't done much this gen. A few new ips that were above average and they they couldn't even be bothered to market them. The PS3 has been playing catch up in most departments and is now a western console. The X360 and PS3 share most of the same games, even Japanese devs would rather develop for the the PS2. Hell, the PS3 already been out sold by the 3DS in Japan. And like every one else they've copied a lot of ideas from else where this gen.

So let's not act like we need them either. Forget the NES, SNES and N64, the PS1 and 2. Those consoles and days are gone. Nintendo and Sony act different now and i'm not impressed. As someone who has owned most Nintendo consoles and has tried really hard to justify spending over £175 on a PS3 when it seems to now have the same identity as the 360. They don't derserve their place anymore than MS.

V3rciS

how about screw the BIG 3? We might need some new blood...

I'd like to see maybe:

*Valve steambox

*A sega comeback?? Anyone?

*Nvidia console?? (not the handheld shield) this would be actually interesting I think since these guys could develop they're own GPUs and maybe even CPUs.

*Maybe an AMD console?

Please no Apple console... I do not want to see an overrated iGAME for like 1000

I agree, but the thing about steam and nvidia, is I think they would just be lazy and bring the PC to the livingroom. PC gaming is different for a reason, so bringing new hardware is only part of it. Whoever does come in has to tailor games for the market.

I would like to see sega again. I like the arcade presentation they give things.

Yes, MS make a very good competitor, everything has been proven this gen. THough personally, I don't like them and the way they're heading to atm.

Competition is good, so I would leave Microsoft in the industry, but they obviously have damaged it with Kinect though.

If Microsoft continues this practice in next-gen, including XBL fees, then I will want them to go out of the picture.

Can anyone explain why cows are so mad at 360s success? Anyone?

jimmypsn

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Can anyone explain why cows are so mad at 360s success? Anyone?

p4s2p0

ORLY??? How about the PS2 "DRE" fiasco. Sure Cows wouldn't dare to talk any bad practices about their beloved $ony....:lol:

"Sony settles PS2 class action suit
Ruling on infamous "disc read error" issue could give qualifying PS2 owners $25, a free game, free repairs, or a replacement system.

PlayStation 2 owners whose systems have given them inappropriate "Disc Read Error" messages are eligible to reap the benefits of a settlement in a class action lawsuit they might never have heard of.

Sony Computer Entertainment America, Sony of Canada, and Toys R Us of Canada have settled a class action lawsuit over the systems, pending the approval of US and Canadian courts. If those courts approve the settlement, gamers who have recently purchased, repaired, or lost the use of an affected PS2, are eligible to receive a check for $25 ($31 Canadian), a free PS2 game from a specified list, or a free or reduced cost repair or replacement (at SCEA's discretion) of an affected system.

A Sony rep confirmed the settlement for GameSpot, but insisted it is in no way an admission of guilt. "While we are convinced that there is no problem with these models and that we would win if we defended this case through trial, we have agreed to settle these lawsuits to avoid the extraordinary high cost of cumbersome class action litigation," the representative said.

It should be noted that this settlement doesn't mean a free $25 for everyone who ever got a "Disc Read Error" message from their PS2. All claims must be accompanied by proof of the purchase and/or repairs. Claims must be made over the settlement Web site or mailed and postmarked by February 16, 2006.

It will be a while before anybody sees the benefits of the suit. First the settlement needs the approval of the courts, and those hearings in the US and Canada have been tentatively scheduled for April 28, 2006, and May 11, 2006, respectively."

We don't "need" anyone. I want all 3 to stay tho. All have plenty to offer. Nintendo have the innovation, Sony have powerful hardware and MS have the most games (getting tons of PC ports the other 2 never see) and best online.locopatho

Microsoft does not have the most good games though. And Xbox needs those PC ports due to its pathetic lack of variety in exclusives.

I don't think MS has contributed anything substantial and never will. The xbox model has always been to make a budget PC with a GC controller. I think we could live without it.DaBrainz

Yep. Microsoft has a great business model for attracting the lowest level of gamer. Call of Duty, Halo, Gears and Madden. What a lame lineup.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]We don't "need" anyone. I want all 3 to stay tho. All have plenty to offer. Nintendo have the innovation, Sony have powerful hardware and MS have the most games (getting tons of PC ports the other 2 never see) and best online.StrongBlackVine

Microsoft does not have the most good games though. And Xbox needs those PC ports due to its pathetic lack of variety in exclusives.

I wish they would go back to the way they were in the original xbox era and before.