Do you think Dark soul's difficulty is exaggerated?

Yes I do. It's challenging for sure, but once you learn the ropes it's only hard in boss fights. Other times it just requires craeful thinking and patience

[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]people think it's insanely hard because you can actually die in dark souls, something that's practically gone from modern games. so yes, it's exaggerated.RyanShazam

The funny thing is you do die its just your not bothered by a game over screen. Insted its the girl catching you. People seem to think since you dont see game over you dont die. Its just cutting out time wasted stating the obvious.

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[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Ah yes those skeletons. Those guys are a pain.

turtlethetaffer

Is there a way to not have them revive?  And can you kill that Hydra?  That thing scared the shit out of me when I realized it was there haha.

Yes to both.  For the skeletons, you need to modify a weapon so that it's holy.  That'll keep them down for good.  For the Hydra, getting closer to it by dodging its attacks on the way there is a good idea.  It eventually starts using physical attacks with its heads, and you can usually find a "sweet spot" where you can stand and attack withouth worrying about getting hit... It's a surprisingly easy enemy when you finally figure out its pattern... But yeah that thing gave me a ton of grief for a while.

Something like demon souls isint super hard it just makes you think more is all. It gives a challenge.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Blabadon"] wutBlabadon

It's a game that rewards people for being patience, thinking, learning off from other plays of ways to beat the boss, etc. It all just depends on the players obviously.

[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] you heard it. nowadays you have to put an effort if you want to see a game over screen.seanmcloughlin

You're making me feel bad for dying so much in games.

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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Is there a way to not have them revive?  And can you kill that Hydra?  That thing scared the shit out of me when I realized it was there haha.

DealRogers

Yes to both.  For the skeletons, you need to modify a weapon so that it's holy.  That'll keep them down for good.  For the Hydra, getting closer to it by dodging its attacks on the way there is a good idea.  It eventually starts using physical attacks with its heads, and you can usually find a "sweet spot" where you can stand and attack withouth worrying about getting hit... It's a surprisingly easy enemy when you finally figure out its pattern... But yeah that thing gave me a ton of grief for a while.

For some reason that didn't happen for me... I'm playing offline so maybe that's why.

yes nd no

[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] you heard it. nowadays you have to put an effort if you want to see a game over screen.seanmcloughlin

If you're a pyromancer in DS it becomes a joke. 

No it's a tough game to play without online guidance. Without other people telling you where to go, what you can find, when you are doing damage etc.
It's not portrayed as the most difficult game ever, but it's portrayed as an 'unfair' or 'evil' game. Not necessarily broken but a game developed to be overcome. And it partially achieves this in some cheap ways where it doesn't explain itself well and takes trial and error.

I'm not good at analogies but I would say the way I look at Dark Soul is a little bit like the way I look at a B-movie. There are certain nights when a B-movie is just what you need. It's going to be full of the B-movie type of things, but you know that upfront and that makes it a quality instead of a detriment to the experience.

I don't think that the difficulty is exaggerated. I bet very few people finished Dark Soul. And it's really a good idea to figure out the game together with friends or with some help of the community (like the notes they leave behind). Which makes it more difficult than most games. (In most games that is totally not helpful.)

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[QUOTE="Blabadon"] Nope.Blabadon

I think even Bruno knows it's a slight exaggeration on his part but it still si fairly true.

Most devs make their games a lot easier these days because apparently we as gamers don't finish them to the end anymore, so if they make it too hard or make you die often then maybe you won't see it through to the end and miss all the stuff they made.

That's one thing I don't like about most modern games, devs are so afraid you will miss the stuff they create that they don't let you just play the game how you want. But that's a different discussion for another day :P

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Prince of Persia 2008 was the one where you couldn't die.Blabadon

Dark Souls, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls II take dedication to grinding it out to level up slowly & make your way through them. 

[QUOTE="Blabadon"] [QUOTE="Heirren"] Well name some games, and remember I said "almost". I cant even think of the last time I saw a game-over screen on 360 or ps3. Games this gen just revert you to a last check point, of which there are many. Come to think of it, do "lives" even exist anymore?Heirren

Checkpoint system is casual? Seriously? I'm not saying it's extreme hardcore or anything but comparing it to the "Save whenever you want" feature it's a little bit trickier than that.

[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

The game is all about information and learning. If you learn from your mistakes the game isn't hard at all... plus there are countless tools and customizations to help you advance through the game in a easy maner. Not only that there is the online option where other people would help you out! only difficult fights on your own are The Four Kings and the Dragon Slayer and Smough. The last boss of the game would have been challenging if you couldn't parry him.

turtlethetaffer

So are there really that many people who would apparently jsut charge on ahead even after dying ten times on an area?

yes. They overestimate the game. For example while fighting a lot of skeletons some people may just keep rushing in thinking they'll just dodge all their attacks pot and kill them instead of backing up and killing them 1 by 1. However the second they're hit they get stunned locked to death and prob try to do it again. I've seen my brother's friends do it because my brother asks them to play it to get a kick out of them lol

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[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

The game is all about information and learning. If you learn from your mistakes the game isn't hard at all... plus there are countless tools and customizations to help you advance through the game in a easy maner. Not only that there is the online option where other people would help you out! only difficult fights on your own are The Four Kings and the Dragon Slayer and Smough. The last boss of the game would have been challenging if you couldn't parry him.

Joedgabe

So are there really that many people who would apparently jsut charge on ahead even after dying ten times on an area?

yes. They overestimate the game. For example while fighting a lot of skeletons some people may just keep rushing in thinking they'll just dodge all their attacks pot and kill them instead of backing up and killing them 1 by 1. However the second they're hit they get stunned locked to death and prob try to do it again. I've seen my brother's friends do it because my brother asks them to play it to get a kick out of them lol

Hm. Apparently I gave the general populace more credit than they deserve.

1st playthrough? yes, it is

New game plus though, is a b!tch

Difficulty is what made the game, it was designed around it. I beat it!

The difficulty in both Souls games is criminally exaggerated.

1.  The games aren't hard, just punishing.

2.  They only feel challenging relative to the average game this gen.  If you've been gaming for a long time, these games are nothing in terms of challenge.

Nothing against the games, they're a lot of fun.  Some of my favorite games this gen, easily.  But people really need to quit acting like they're insanely difficult games.  If you want difficulty from a mainstream game this gen, go play Ninja Gaiden 2 on Master Ninja.  You will be crawling back to the comfort of the Souls games.

It should give more clues about what you should be doing, sometimes you can be really lost... there are also some secrets that are stupid. 

The difficulty in both Souls games is criminally exaggerated.

1.  The games aren't hard, just punishing.

2.  They only feel challenging relative to the average game this gen.  If you've been gaming for a long time, these games are nothing in terms of challenge.

Nothing against the games, they're a lot of fun.  Some of my favorite games this gen, easily.  But people really need to quit acting like they're insanely difficult games.  If you want difficulty from a mainstream game this gen, go play Ninja Gaiden 2 on Master Ninja.  You will be crawling back to the comfort of the Souls games.

sandbox3d

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The difficulty in both Souls games is criminally exaggerated.

1.  The games aren't hard, just punishing.

2.  They only feel challenging relative to the average game this gen.  If you've been gaming for a long time, these games are nothing in terms of challenge.

Nothing against the games, they're a lot of fun.  Some of my favorite games this gen, easily.  But people really need to quit acting like they're insanely difficult games.  If you want difficulty from a mainstream game this gen, go play Ninja Gaiden 2 on Master Ninja.  You will be crawling back to the comfort of the Souls games.

SaltyMeatballs

Yes its brutal.  And at many times, its shamelessly cheap.  I took a big hit to my gamer ego playing that game.

Dark Souls, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls II take dedication to grinding it out to level up slowly & make your way through them. 

clr84651

I don't think that the difficulty is exaggerated. I bet very few people finished Dark Soul. And it's really a good idea to figure out the game together with friends or with some help of the community (like the notes they leave behind). Which makes it more difficult than most games. (In most games that is totally not helpful.)KungfuKitten

Compared to what? What's impressive about Dark Souls difficulty is that it doesn't stem from cheapness (bar the Anor Londo Archers), it comes from immaculated crafted gameplay and level design.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I am a having a bit of trouble now that it seems to have opened up more.  Last time I played (awhile ago) I ended up walking down a foggy forested path that was throwing massive waterballs (fireball like) at me, to reach the end and realize it was a MASSIVE Hyrdra in a lake, which then devoured me.  yeah....lol.  I also tried going one way earlier on and skeletons keep reviving over and over

tagyhag

aaah.  I already have that sword by the undead dragon I think.  If it is the one laying right next to him.  I took it and ran.  I was too scared to fight him :P.

The mechanics aren't that difficult, the save system is. If there is quick-saving quick-loading anywhere and anytime in Dark Souls, then the game would be very easy to beat.GhoX

Translation:  "If the game was easier, it would be easy to beat" :P

Compared to most games this gen it's pretty hard but it's nothing when you compare it to the NES games :)

Compared to most games this gen it's pretty hard but it's nothing when you compare it to the NES games :)

AcidTango

Not true.

It's a cake walk. All that overhyping made us PC gamers bruise our knees begging for this crap.

It's a cake walk. All that overhyping made us PC gamers bruise our knees begging for this crap.

Mr_BillGates

Hurrrdurrr... I'mma try to troll some more... Durrr...

[QUOTE="AcidTango"]

Compared to most games this gen it's pretty hard but it's nothing when you compare it to the NES games :)

NaveedLife

Not true.

Do you mean that this game is harder then a lot of the classic NES games? Because many of them were way harder then Dark Souls is.

Compared to most games this gen it's pretty hard but it's nothing when you compare it to the NES games :)

AcidTango

Difficulty is definitely exaggerated.

When I first started the game I did pretty much everything wrong, played the game entirely offline (because f*ck xbox live),attacked the NPC at Firelink Shrine who proceeded to kick my ass about 15 times, then went down to the cemetery and got ganked by skeletons another 15 times, refused to learn any magic because I take the 'role playing' aspect of RPG's way too seriously, stubbornly avoided walkthroughs and guides etc.

Basically I unwittingly made the game about as hard as possible and honestly it still wasn't that bad. Once you figure out the combat basics you very rarely die against regular mobs unless you really screw up, there's a few traps that might kill you the first time you see them, but it's really only the bosses that are the sticking point.

I'm not exactly some elite hardcore gamer, so if I could do it there's no reason anyone else couldn't finish the game with a little patience. I did resort to watching Youtube vids of a couple of bosses after getting killed repeatedly, Capra Demon and Smough/Ornstein I think.

The reaction to the difficulty level is more to do with gamers expectations of modern games, it's got to the point that it's shocking to people when you need to retry certain parts of a game a few times to get past it, but that used to be the norm.

[QUOTE="AcidTango"]

Compared to most games this gen it's pretty hard but it's nothing when you compare it to the NES games :)

tagyhag

[QUOTE="AcidTango"]

Compared to most games this gen it's pretty hard but it's nothing when you compare it to the NES games :)

tagyhag

Well when it comes to the length of the games Dark Souls is way longer then many of the NES titles. But even though those games are much shorter, trust me when I say I got more frustrated of the difficulty and the cheap deaths of those games then I did with Dark Souls. Don't get we wrong Dark Souls had those as well but back then games were much worse. Now a lot of games today are a walk in the park.

completely exaggerated. The game isn't difficult at all unless you don't learn from your mistakes and keep doing the same thing over and over again.

Compared to most games this gen it's pretty hard but it's nothing when you compare it to the NES games :)

AcidTango

Dark Souls is a lot easier then Demon Souls.