Do you think the wii is "winning" as many people say?

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

Stevo_the_gamer

Well said. As a lifelong Nintendo fan, I'm happy for the company, as they've brought quality gaming to so many for so long. However, this generation, they seem to have decided that I'm no longer among the people they wish to bring said "quality gaming" to, so I can't help but wish their casual strategy wasn't quite so popular. A Wii with slightly stronger hardware and more "hardcore" titles that sold worse would've made me much happier than the cheaper, casual-oriented console I own right now.

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

Stevo_the_gamer

^This

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

SeanBond

Well said. As a lifelong Nintendo fan, I'm happy for the company, as they've brought quality gaming to so many for so long. However, this generation, they seem to have decided that I'm no longer among the people they wish to bring said "quality gaming" to, so I can't help but wish their casual strategy wasn't quite so popular. A Wii with slightly stronger hardware and more "hardcore" titles that sold worse would've made me much happier than the cheaper, casual-oriented console I own right now.

You state that Nintendo has not given you qulity games this gen. In less than two years you got Zelda, SMG, SSBB, Mario Kart, MP3, Paper Mario, Mario Strikers, soon Animal Crossing, Mario Baseball and Warioland. Anyone who owned the GC would be amazed by that many quality 1st and 2nd party titles in such a short period of time.

Also any Nintendo fan knows that if Nintendo had not tried something out of the box this gen they would have died in the console market.

I don't understand where all these high and might Nintendo fans can say the Wii has such a small number of titles and get upset by it. Did they forget about the GC so soon. Heck there was almost a 6 month gap when the GC came out where there were no games coming out at all. None

I feel shortchanged by each home console this war. All three have very few, maybe 5 or 8, 'must own' games, imo.

As far as the Wii specifically, I look at it as a stepping stone. The NES was a great system with some pretty great games but when they took the idea of the NES to it's full potential, the SNES seemed to bring each aspect of the previous system to a more complex and visually impressive level, ie. more buttons/improved controller, enhanced sound/graphics, larger media, ect.

To me the Wii is just like the NES, innovative, immersing and popular(read:casual) where as the next Nintendo console will be like the SNES, evolution wise, addressing all the issues and improvements and nailing down the overall concept of the Wii and motion controlled videogames.

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

Stevo_the_gamer

PC?...lol...

It's winning with respect to the only objective system we have for measuring success - sales.

I think a lot of gamers are frustrated with it though, as it has been screwing hardcore gamers of late.

[QUOTE="SeanBond"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

HarlockJC

Well said. As a lifelong Nintendo fan, I'm happy for the company, as they've brought quality gaming to so many for so long. However, this generation, they seem to have decided that I'm no longer among the people they wish to bring said "quality gaming" to, so I can't help but wish their casual strategy wasn't quite so popular. A Wii with slightly stronger hardware and more "hardcore" titles that sold worse would've made me much happier than the cheaper, casual-oriented console I own right now.

You state that Nintendo has not given you qulity games this gen. In less than two years you got Zelda, SMG, SSBB, Mario Kart, MP3, Paper Mario, Mario Strikers, soon Animal Crossing, Mario Baseball and Warioland. Anyone who owned the GC would be amazed by that many quality 1st and 2nd party titles in such a short period of time.

Also any Nintendo fan knows that if Nintendo had not tried something out of the box this gen they would have died in the console market.

I don't understand where all these high and might Nintendo fans can say the Wii has such a small number of titles and get upset by it. Did they forget about the GC so soon. Heck there was almost a 6 month gap when the GC came out where there were no games coming out at all. None

The problem isn't the complete lack of titles, it's the lack of titles that justify the Wii; the majority of games you just listed don't seem like they'd play or even look all that different if played on a Gamecube (with Zelda, a port, being the most obvious evidence of this). The issue is that the new IPs that Nintendo is working on, the new titles that actually use the Wii to its full extent (or at least justify it as some sort of "revolution") are targeted towards non-gamers, not traditional gamers. It's almost as if they're churning out formulaic sequels to their old titles to keep the old guard happy, while using their think tank to target the new casual fanbase that's making them such a hit.

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

Stevo_the_gamer

Gamers need to lose and let gaming go mainstream. Gamers want to keep games from becoming anything more than interactive movies. They need to relinquish their uncompromising control over the direction the industry has gone. Right now, gaming is stuck in the purgatory in between hardcore enthusiasm and casual commercialism. All these "middle-of-the-road" compromises game developers are making is just holding everyone back. The only way for gaming to really progress is for something like the Wii (or, more likely, the DS) to completely polarize the gaming market and drive the casual/hardcore extremes, which until now have been mostly quiet, to pursue their development.

P.S. It's not healthy to drink hard liquor after midnight, is it?

The problem isn't the complete lack of titles, it's the lack of titles that justify the Wii; the majority of games you just listed don't seem like they'd play or even look all that different if played on a Gamecube (with Zelda, a port, being the most obvious evidence of this). The issue is that the new IPs that Nintendo is working on, the new titles that actually use the Wii to its full extent (or at least justify it as some sort of "revolution") are targeted towards non-gamers, not traditional gamers. It's almost as if they're churning out formulaic sequels to their old titles to keep the old guard happy, while using their think tank to target the new casual fanbase that's making them such a hit.

SeanBond

Who cares if they would have not looked any different a game is a game. You play because of the gameplay that Nintendo gives you. A Nintendo fan can not be too upset with the gameplay you have got in the last two years with the line up I just named. You want to talk new IPs as a reason to not like Ninendo. Again I am saying you have no idea what your talking about in the 5 years the GC was out how many new IPs did Nintendo make? I can think of 3 Animal Crossing, Pikmin and maybe Eternal Darkness. Your saying they are not keeping the old fans happy. Then I ask you again why. It has been confirmmed that there is a new Zelda and Pikmin on the way. Your taking what you read at system wars as fact when it not.

The Wii is winning, disagreeing makes one wrong.diped

P.S. It's not healthy to drink hard liquor after midnight, is it?

*hic*
mjarantilla

The Wii is winning, disagreeing makes one wrong.diped

Nintendo is winning, they are doing brilliant.

Everyone is saying they are ruining gaming, when they are actually helping it. Nintendo is taking all of the gamers of last gen and turning them into casual Wii Sports zombies -- they are merely introducing gaming to a brand new audience that doesn't feel like jumping in with games like Halo or Metal Gear Solid. There is nothing wrong in what Nintendo is doing, they have delieverd great quality "core" games anyways.

I didnt get the Wii because with the exception of 3 - 4 games, none appeal to me... the wii is 'winning' in terms of worldwide sales but that surely is not a good reason for me to get the console...

But in the end its always a matter of personal taste and there are many gamers who truly believe Wii is the best console and its games are great.. so i think its good to have a console which is significantly different than PS3 & 360..

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

Stevo_the_gamer

Truth.

[QUOTE="SeanBond"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

HarlockJC

Well said. As a lifelong Nintendo fan, I'm happy for the company, as they've brought quality gaming to so many for so long. However, this generation, they seem to have decided that I'm no longer among the people they wish to bring said "quality gaming" to, so I can't help but wish their casual strategy wasn't quite so popular. A Wii with slightly stronger hardware and more "hardcore" titles that sold worse would've made me much happier than the cheaper, casual-oriented console I own right now.

You state that Nintendo has not given you qulity games this gen. In less than two years you got Zelda, SMG, SSBB, Mario Kart, MP3, Paper Mario, Mario Strikers, soon Animal Crossing, Mario Baseball and Warioland. Anyone who owned the GC would be amazed by that many quality 1st and 2nd party titles in such a short period of time.

Also any Nintendo fan knows that if Nintendo had not tried something out of the box this gen they would have died in the console market.

I don't understand where all these high and might Nintendo fans can say the Wii has such a small number of titles and get upset by it. Did they forget about the GC so soon. Heck there was almost a 6 month gap when the GC came out where there were no games coming out at all. None

I owned a gamecube and was more impresed with its lineup. Maybe thats just because metroid for gamecube was something new since metroid wasn't on the snes, and RE for the gamecube was absolutely stunning. The gamecube also had amazing graphics around that time. It was actually a pretty good system, and had a lot going for it, support for it just cut off - just like that.

There's just not enough good games in the future of the wii to justify the system anymore. It had a strong launch, yes, but its future is bleaker than the gamecube imo.

The Gamecube had a solid lineup of games between Nov. 2001-Nov 2002. Rogue Squadron II, Smash Brothers Melee, Metroid Prime, Mario Sunshine, ReMake, Resident Evil Zero, Eternal Darkness, Starfox Adventures, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Super Monkey Ball 1 & 2, Wave Race, Knockout Kings were all AAA/AA Gamecube exclusives.

The total library over its first year of existence included 40 AA and AAA titles (according to gamerankings). The Wii, after nearly 2 years, has only half that number.

If the Gamecube had a failure of a games library, then the Wii is notably worse so far.

[QUOTE="SeanBond"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

HarlockJC

Well said. As a lifelong Nintendo fan, I'm happy for the company, as they've brought quality gaming to so many for so long. However, this generation, they seem to have decided that I'm no longer among the people they wish to bring said "quality gaming" to, so I can't help but wish their casual strategy wasn't quite so popular. A Wii with slightly stronger hardware and more "hardcore" titles that sold worse would've made me much happier than the cheaper, casual-oriented console I own right now.

You state that Nintendo has not given you qulity games this gen. In less than two years you got Zelda, SMG, SSBB, Mario Kart, MP3, Paper Mario, Mario Strikers, soon Animal Crossing, Mario Baseball and Warioland. Anyone who owned the GC would be amazed by that many quality 1st and 2nd party titles in such a short period of time.

Also any Nintendo fan knows that if Nintendo had not tried something out of the box this gen they would have died in the console market.

I don't understand where all these high and might Nintendo fans can say the Wii has such a small number of titles and get upset by it. Did they forget about the GC so soon. Heck there was almost a 6 month gap when the GC came out where there were no games coming out at all. None

How quickly people forget those horrendous droughts during the GC era

by Sw standards?

no. fact is it cant win. no matter how many quality titles it gets, no matter how many origonal titles it gets, no matter how much devs squeez out of it and no matter how creative they get, as far as ppl here are concerned, it is a disgusting piece of crap, not fit for the title of games console. it is a disgrace and fundimentally flawed. somethign like the wii should never have happened and ninty should have stuck to the status quoe as far as SW is concerned.

in the real world.

its a resounding success not only in sales, but in getting new ppl to try computer games and in providing slightly unusual titles that, frankly, devs wouldnt dare try on another platform.

for me?

its my fav console and second to my PC.

wii sells better thats it , it cant win cuz really sales dont matter , i think a winning console should have 3rd party support , a wide arrange of exclusives ( unlike three games mario , zelda , metroid ) and have decent online , it should support hd AND NOT BE A GIMMICK thats a winning console ps3wizard45

I thought that I'd seen the last of "TEH GIMMICK" arguments in mid-2007. :roll:

And BTW, the Wii is winning. I'm getting sick and tired of hard core gamers saying, "NOT ENOUGH GAMES! SUCKY CONSOLE OMG" Seriously, how many games do you need? Nintendo has the best quality games so far this gen. And no, not all of them are "OMG casual" or "TEH KIDDEH :O". And three games that are great exclusives? Do your homework before you make an argument like that, kthx.

And does HD really matter? Do GRAPHICS AS A WHOLE even matter in games? I'll tell you, I can have more fun with an old GBA or SNES game than one of those fancy PS3 games.

I do agree with some of your points though. The Wii needs better third party support (though several great third party games like Little King Story, which, alongside Braid, may be the surprise hit of the year, are on the horizon) and its online, while not terrible, is too limiting (and yes, friend codes really do suck).

And if you judge your precious PS3 by all the standards that you listed, well... it's in 3rd place. (thought to end it on a happy note, if Microsoft keeps screwing up like it is, it'll move up to 2nd ;) )

PS: When the PS3 starts winning in sales, sales will start to matter, amirite? :roll:

Do you think the wii is "winning" as many people say? Ragashahs

[QUOTE="SeanBond"]

The problem isn't the complete lack of titles, it's the lack of titles that justify the Wii; the majority of games you just listed don't seem like they'd play or even look all that different if played on a Gamecube (with Zelda, a port, being the most obvious evidence of this). The issue is that the new IPs that Nintendo is working on, the new titles that actually use the Wii to its full extent (or at least justify it as some sort of "revolution") are targeted towards non-gamers, not traditional gamers. It's almost as if they're churning out formulaic sequels to their old titles to keep the old guard happy, while using their think tank to target the new casual fanbase that's making them such a hit.

HarlockJC

Who cares if they would have not looked any different a game is a game.

[QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]wii sells better thats it , it cant win cuz really sales dont matter , i think a winning console should have 3rd party support , a wide arrange of exclusives ( unlike three games mario , zelda , metroid ) and have decent online , it should support hd AND NOT BE A GIMMICK thats a winning console The_AI

I thought that I'd seen the last of "TEH GIMMICK" arguments in mid-2007. :roll:

And BTW, the Wii is winning. I'm getting sick and tired of hard core gamers saying, "NOT ENOUGH GAMES! SUCKY CONSOLE OMG" Seriously, how many games do you need? Nintendo has the best quality games so far this gen. And no, not all of them are "OMG casual" or "TEH KIDDEH :O". And three games that are great exclusives? Do your homework before you make an argument like that, kthx.

And does HD really matter? Do GRAPHICS AS A WHOLE even matter in games? I'll tell you, I can have more fun with an old GBA or SNES game than one of those fancy PS3 games.

I do agree with some of your points though. The Wii needs better third party support (though several great third party games like Little King Story, which, alongside Braid, may be the surprise hit of the year, are on the horizon) and its online, while not terrible, is too limiting (and yes, friend codes really do suck).

And if you judge your precious PS3 by all the standards that you listed, well... it's in 3rd place. (thought to end it on a happy note, if Microsoft keeps screwing up like it is, it'll move up to 2nd ;) )

PS: When the PS3 starts winning in sales, sales will start to matter, amirite? :roll:

Do GRAPHICS AS A WHOLE even matter in games?

The_AI

Play Farcry on the Wii. The answer is yes.

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

Stevo_the_gamer

As sad as it sounds, quite a lot of people are willing to sacrifice quality gaming to see Nintendo sucessful. Fanboys are truly the worst kind of fanatics.

yes the wii is winning with the public. among "hardcore" gamers it's actually underrated and not getting the credit it deserves.Ontain

As far as sales, yes it is winning and probably will continue to win.

As far as providing me with games I want to play, yes it is winning there too. Note that I only mentioned games "I" want to play. Everyone else is entitled to there own opinions, but based on my libraries of games, the Wii has clearly won.

yes the wii is winning with the public. among "hardcore" gamers it's actually underrated and not getting the credit it deserves.Ontain

How do you work that out?

Been a Nintendo fan since the SNES all th way up to the GC. They are clearly not the same company anymore. When I saw the Wii, I just did not like it at all and went PS3 despite not owning a PS1 or PS2.

Well in terms of numbers, Nintendo is winning. I do understand where the TC is coming from though. I own a Wii and am playing through it right now, I think it's a lot of fun and I'm certainly glad I bought it. But the Wii remote doesn't make me like the games more than I would with a regular controller(in fact it might make the games worse). I wish they would have went with a console that can compete graphically and technically with the other consoles because I'd like to see games like Mario and Zelda and Metroid looking as good a they can, I wish I could play these kind of games with a regular controller because when I play I usually play for a long time and I get tired from having to move the Wii remote to do stuff one finger could do by pushing one button on a regular controller. Anyways, I like all three consoles and I think that everyone that can, should get them all or at least be open to the idea of owning another console.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="SeanBond"]

The problem isn't the complete lack of titles, it's the lack of titles that justify the Wii; the majority of games you just listed don't seem like they'd play or even look all that different if played on a Gamecube (with Zelda, a port, being the most obvious evidence of this). The issue is that the new IPs that Nintendo is working on, the new titles that actually use the Wii to its full extent (or at least justify it as some sort of "revolution") are targeted towards non-gamers, not traditional gamers. It's almost as if they're churning out formulaic sequels to their old titles to keep the old guard happy, while using their think tank to target the new casual fanbase that's making them such a hit.

Bubblehash

Who cares if they would have not looked any different a game is a game.

Yeah, I'm not a graphics whore, but I find this to be a weak argument. In the grand scheme of things, are graphics the most important when you're playing a videogame? No. But if you buy a new videogame console, years (a lifetime for graphics cards) after its predecessor, do you expect similar graphics? Hopefully not. Superficial though it may be, most people expect greatly enhanced graphics when they get a new console, as it's one of the things that typically defines the term "next gen". The 360 came out and immediately wowed people with its crisp HD graphics, and games like Kameo and Dead Rising, which showed what more powerful hardware can do. The PS3 came out, and after a while started showing games like MGS4, which blur the line between movie and game (*insert anti-MGS joke here*). The Wii came out, and everyone was impressed with Wii Sports, which, although graphically looked like...well...crap, did a great job of showcasing the fact that Nintendo didn't come this time around to just bump up graphics; they wanted to do new things with games. And then...they released a bunch of "quality titles" which looked like slightly enhanced Gamecube games, and which did almost nothing to take advantage of what made the Wii unique.

I play SSBB with a Wavebird. I almost preferred Wind Waker's controls to those of Twilight Princess (I hate how you swing the sword). Mario Galaxy's wiimote extras felt tacked on to me, and I'm not a big fan of playing Mario Kart with the Wii Wheel. With the exception of Metroid Prime 3 (and to some extent, the surprising RE4 Wii Edition), I find very little on the Wii to justify my purchase of a $250 console. I bought Wii Fit for my wife, and she loves it (it's genuinely a cool fitness game, although it doesn't replace my gym membership), and every once in a while something like Link's Crossbow Training comes around and reminds me that the Wii has potential, but then another Gamecube-esque game comes out, and I wonder what's going on. I'm not looking forward to buying Wii Music, and the majority of games Nintendo has announced don't interest me particularly (although I'm definitely gonna pick up Fatal Frame). The fact of the matter is, if the next Zelda doesn't take full advantage of the Wii's controls, I'm going to feel like Nintendo duped me into buying another Gamecube, with some weird motion accessories tacked on the side.

Oh, it's not ALL bad.

We get wii music. -_-

Oh, it's not ALL bad.

We get wii music. -_-

Shadow_of_Kirby

And a host of other games that are intresting...

I've played so many games at this point that most of the stuff on on it's way for the PS3 and Xbox360 isn't intresting anymore.

While we do get 3 excellent games next month, and a distant one (Sonic and the Black Knight), it's considerably weaker than the other lineups.

While we do get 3 excellent games next month, and a distant one (Sonic and the Black Knight), it's considerably weaker than the other lineups.

Shadow_of_Kirby

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While we do get 3 excellent games next month, and a distant one (Sonic and the Black Knight), it's considerably weaker than the other lineups.

SER69

its winning for nintendo and soccer moms. its not winning for third party devs and gamers.mephisto_11

not winning for 3rd party devs? that myth is about to die with this link:

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/09/nintendo-releases-third-party-sales-chart-npd-clarifies-some-de/

pretty much says that nintendo has sold more 3rd party games than 360 or ps3. not only that, but it has a link in there that also shows that the Wii has a higher attach rate than the ps3 according to NPD.

you can now consider 2 negative myths about the Wii to be false...