Do you think the wii is "winning" as many people say?

[QUOTE="SER69"][QUOTE="Shadow_of_Kirby"]

While we do get 3 excellent games next month, and a distant one (Sonic and the Black Knight), it's considerably weaker than the other lineups.

angelkimne

[QUOTE="SER69"][QUOTE="Shadow_of_Kirby"]

While we do get 3 excellent games next month, and a distant one (Sonic and the Black Knight), it's considerably weaker than the other lineups.

angelkimne

I'm not a Wiionly owner, and I feel the same way.

The only games I really must have for other consoles this year are BK:NB, BioShock PS3 version.

EDIT: I'll probly pick up a version of Force Unleased also, but it's not a first day buy for me.

They are not winning when it comes to games.

They are not winning when it comes to games.

jethrovegas

then who is winning when it comes to games?

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

They are not winning when it comes to games.

ogvampire

then who is winning when it comes to games?

Opinions ahead!

They are winning in the area that matters most to any company. gamefreakomega

They are winning because people are buying, enjoying, and playing them?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

They are not winning when it comes to games.

GundamGuy0

then who is winning when it comes to games?

Opinions ahead!

heh. seriously. thats why facts are much easier to determine something with as opposed to opinion. cant argue that the Wii is dominating in sales, but you sure will get some arguments started when someone claims that the ps3 or 360 have the best games.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

zomgwtfbbqlol1

PC?...lol...

pc is never taken into consideration with this kinda thing :)

For nintendo? yes

Third party publishers? no

Gamers? no

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

They are not winning when it comes to games.

ogvampire

then who is winning when it comes to games?

Consoles? 360.

It has tons of great multi-plats that the Wii either a) doesn't have at all or b) has an inferior version of, along with several great exclusives that help to put it above the PS3 as well.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

They are not winning when it comes to games.

jethrovegas

then who is winning when it comes to games?

Consoles? 360.

It has tons of great multi-plats that the Wii either a) doesn't have at all or b) has an inferior version of, along with several great exclusives that help to put it above the PS3 as well.

I don't agree, simply because only 3 games on the Xbox360 appeal to me, Mass Effect (not exclusive), BioShock (Not exclusive), and Banjo Kazooie N&B, some of the others are intresting, but not enough to warrent a purchase at full or anywhere near full price. IMO.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

They are not winning when it comes to games.

jethrovegas

then who is winning when it comes to games?

Consoles? 360.

It has tons of great multi-plats that the Wii either a) doesn't have at all or b) has an inferior version of, along with several great exclusives that help to put it above the PS3 as well.

The total lack of originality and variety for most of those 360 games should count against it, IMO.

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

They are not winning when it comes to games.

GundamGuy0

then who is winning when it comes to games?

Consoles? 360.

It has tons of great multi-plats that the Wii either a) doesn't have at all or b) has an inferior version of, along with several great exclusives that help to put it above the PS3 as well.

I don't agree, simply because only 3 games on the Xbox360 appeal to me, Mass Effect (not exclusive), BioShock (Not exclusive), and Banjo Kazooie N&B, some of the others are intresting, but not enough to warrent a purchase at full or anywhere near full price. IMO.

Jethrovegas was talking about consoles, in which case Mass Effect is still an exclusive. Either way though, no matter how well the Wii is doing, and no matter how well 3rd party games are selling, it's still not the console to get if you want the standard "hardcore" game. For example, Capcom made the decision to release Umbrella Chronicles on the Wii instead of an RE4-style game, thinking that it appealed more to the Wii fanbase. Dead Rising Wii looks to be a completely different (and watered down) version of the 360 game, and games like MGS and Gears of War would/could never find their way to Nintendo's console.

It's clear that to many people the Wii has offered something exciting; Wii Fit is selling faster than any game out there at the moment. That being said, is that good news to us gamers? Is it a win for us if Wii Fit outsells Fable 2, or Little Big Planet? Hell, is that even good for Wii owners? Everytime a game like Metroid Prime 3 sells only decently, and a game like Wii Fit or Mario Party 8 sells great, the minds at Nintendo become more and more set in their idea that casual gaming is the way to go. Sony and MS have noticed this as well, but thank God their fanbase is still more interested in games that the gamer has traditionally played over the years, and thus those of us who aren't too excited by Wii Music still have somewhere else to turn to.

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

They are not winning when it comes to games.

GundamGuy0

then who is winning when it comes to games?

Consoles? 360.

It has tons of great multi-plats that the Wii either a) doesn't have at all or b) has an inferior version of, along with several great exclusives that help to put it above the PS3 as well.

I don't agree, simply because only 3 games on the Xbox360 appeal to me, Mass Effect (not exclusive), BioShock (Not exclusive), and Banjo Kazooie N&B, some of the others are intresting, but not enough to warrent a purchase at full or anywhere near full price. IMO.

Who cares about what you think?

If only three games on the system appeal to you, then fine, you have interesting tastes; what, do you want a medal for being odd or something?

I go out tomorrow and buy a 360, I have software already available to purchase like Dead Rising, The Orange Box, Crackdown, Ninja Gaiden 2, Forza 2, Halo 3, Call of Duty 4, GRAW 1 and 2, Virtua Fighter 5, Soul Calibur IV, Bioshock, Project Gotham Racing 4, Mass Effect, Rainbow Six Vegas 2, Viva Pinata, Ace Combat 6, Dead or Alive 4, Eternal Sonata, Gears of War, Braid, Geometry Wars Evolved, Condemned 1 and 2, The Darkness, Lost Planet, Lost Odyssey, and, soon enough, Banjo: N & B, Too Human, Fable 2, and Gears of War 2.

Your taste in games is ultimately irrelevant to this discussion. If you were thinking about this logically you would admit that the Wii's line-up cannot match the 360's line-up in real world terms; it just isn't happening.

Saying "lulz, that's just not how I roll, so my system's line-up is better" is just a cop out.

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

Stevo_the_gamer

i'm not gonna lose in the end.

Nintendo will win in the end.

Hardcore gaming crybabies will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

Stevo_the_gamer

fixed

Nintendo will win in the end.

Gamers will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

Stevo_the_gamer

not winning for 3rd party devs? that myth is about to die with this link:

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/09/nintendo-releases-third-party-sales-chart-npd-clarifies-some-de/

pretty much says that nintendo has sold more 3rd party games than 360 or ps3. not only that, but it has a link in there that also shows that the Wii has a higher attach rate than the ps3 according to NPD.

you can now consider 2 negative myths about the Wii to be false...

ogvampire

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Nintendo will win in the end.

Hardcore gaming crybabies will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

ogvampire

fixed

thats right, casual gamers like my girlfriend wins in the end

not winning for 3rd party devs? that myth is about to die with this link:

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/09/nintendo-releases-third-party-sales-chart-npd-clarifies-some-de/

pretty much says that nintendo has sold more 3rd party games than 360 or ps3. not only that, but it has a link in there that also shows that the Wii has a higher attach rate than the ps3 according to NPD.

you can now consider 2 negative myths about the Wii to be false...

ogvampire

Thats only data for the first 19 months of each console, and is flawed due to the fact that Microsoft has made the largest amount of software sales since the launch of the Wii and PS3, which is what the devs would care about.

360 total software sales: 67,929,999

Wii total software sales: 33,394,311

PS3 total software sales: 19,976,325

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360 Software sales since the launch of the PS3 and Wii is 54,065,728, almost double that of the Wii.

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im not saying the wii is bad but i dont even really consider it a "real "video game console. its kinda in its own class cuz its so unique. its like a pool table or foosball table. playing halo3, mgs4, thats playing video games. the wii is a different story just look at ea sports coming out w/ completely different games just to adapt to the wii.

aite back on topic... i dont think its necessarily winning bc its not exactly a hard core video game console like teh 360 and ps3 are. it is a smart decision on nintendos part and it is rakin in a lot of cash.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

not winning for 3rd party devs? that myth is about to die with this link:

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/09/nintendo-releases-third-party-sales-chart-npd-clarifies-some-de/

pretty much says that nintendo has sold more 3rd party games than 360 or ps3. not only that, but it has a link in there that also shows that the Wii has a higher attach rate than the ps3 according to NPD.

you can now consider 2 negative myths about the Wii to be false...

Stevo_the_gamer

there must be something wrong with my monitor, your reply just shows as 'spin spin spin, spin spin' on my screen

interesting...

[QUOTE="Bubblehash"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="SeanBond"]

The problem isn't the complete lack of titles, it's the lack of titles that justify the Wii; the majority of games you just listed don't seem like they'd play or even look all that different if played on a Gamecube (with Zelda, a port, being the most obvious evidence of this). The issue is that the new IPs that Nintendo is working on, the new titles that actually use the Wii to its full extent (or at least justify it as some sort of "revolution") are targeted towards non-gamers, not traditional gamers. It's almost as if they're churning out formulaic sequels to their old titles to keep the old guard happy, while using their think tank to target the new casual fanbase that's making them such a hit.

SeanBond

Who cares if they would have not looked any different a game is a game.

Yeah, I'm not a graphics whore, but I find this to be a weak argument. In the grand scheme of things, are graphics the most important when you're playing a videogame? No. But if you buy a new videogame console, years (a lifetime for graphics cards) after its predecessor, do you expect similar graphics? Hopefully not. Superficial though it may be, most people expect greatly enhanced graphics when they get a new console, as it's one of the things that typically defines the term "next gen". The 360 came out and immediately wowed people with its crisp HD graphics, and games like Kameo and Dead Rising, which showed what more powerful hardware can do. The PS3 came out, and after a while started showing games like MGS4, which blur the line between movie and game (*insert anti-MGS joke here*). The Wii came out, and everyone was impressed with Wii Sports, which, although graphically looked like...well...crap, did a great job of showcasing the fact that Nintendo didn't come this time around to just bump up graphics; they wanted to do new things with games. And then...they released a bunch of "quality titles" which looked like slightly enhanced Gamecube games, and which did almost nothing to take advantage of what made the Wii unique.

I play SSBB with a Wavebird. I almost preferred Wind Waker's controls to those of Twilight Princess (I hate how you swing the sword). Mario Galaxy's wiimote extras felt tacked on to me, and I'm not a big fan of playing Mario Kart with the Wii Wheel. With the exception of Metroid Prime 3 (and to some extent, the surprising RE4 Wii Edition), I find very little on the Wii to justify my purchase of a $250 console. I bought Wii Fit for my wife, and she loves it (it's genuinely a cool fitness game, although it doesn't replace my gym membership), and every once in a while something like Link's Crossbow Training comes around and reminds me that the Wii has potential, but then another Gamecube-esque game comes out, and I wonder what's going on. I'm not looking forward to buying Wii Music, and the majority of games Nintendo has announced don't interest me particularly (although I'm definitely gonna pick up Fatal Frame). The fact of the matter is, if the next Zelda doesn't take full advantage of the Wii's controls, I'm going to feel like Nintendo duped me into buying another Gamecube, with some weird motion accessories tacked on the side.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

not winning for 3rd party devs? that myth is about to die with this link:

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/09/nintendo-releases-third-party-sales-chart-npd-clarifies-some-de/

pretty much says that nintendo has sold more 3rd party games than 360 or ps3. not only that, but it has a link in there that also shows that the Wii has a higher attach rate than the ps3 according to NPD.

you can now consider 2 negative myths about the Wii to be false...

opex07

Thats only data for the first 19 months of each console, and is flawed due to the fact that Microsoft has made the largest amount of software sales since the launch of the Wii and PS3, which is what the devs would care about.

360 total software sales: 67,929,999

Wii total software sales: 33,394,311

PS3 total software sales: 19,976,325

-------------------------------------------

360 Software sales since the launch of the PS3 and Wii is 54,065,728, almost double that of the Wii.

link

they both spin the numbers, but this graph proves 1 thing: that 3rd party games sell on the Wii

PS2 sold most AND had most games, thats why it won, we care about the games not the sales, correlation is not causality.

360 is currently winning, PS3 is the main competition.

The Wii has definitely won. The only ones losing are those who don't own a Wii.Zhengi

One question: Are PC gamers "losing"? :roll:

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Nintendo will win in the end.

Hardcore gaming crybabies will lose in the end.

Which do you care about more?

DealRogers

fixed

thats right, casual gamers like my girlfriend wins in the end

like casuals really care who 'wins' in the console wars. seriously :|

in reality, ALL gamers win.

PS2 sold most AND had most games, thats why it won, we care about the games not the sales, correlation is not causality.

360 is currently winning, PS3 is the main competition.

clembo1990

if the ps2 'won' cause it had the most sales AND the most games, how do you figure the 360 to 'win' when it has the most games yet the least amount of sales?

they both spin the numbers, but this graph proves 1 thing: that 3rd party games sell on the Wii

ogvampire

I can agree that they both have there own spins, but when compared to the 360, Wii software sales are doing poorly due to the fact that it has such a larger userbase.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]yes the wii is winning with the public. among "hardcore" gamers it's actually underrated and not getting the credit it deserves.PC360Wii

How do you work that out?

the public is choosing the wii over the other 2 consoles (often combined). they are even willing to pay for it at above retail even at almost 2 years. it we look at worldwide software sales we'd see that software is not selling more than the other 2. the public has spoken. The "hardcore" start threads like this over and over in hopes to belittle the success of the wii. they argue using opinions of games or other subjective measures. Sometimes they'll redifine what gen means and say it's only hardware based even though that has never been the case.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

they both spin the numbers, but this graph proves 1 thing: that 3rd party games sell on the Wii

opex07

I can agree that they both have there own spins, but when compared to the 360, Wii software sales are doing poorly due to the fact that it has such a larger userbase.

when you sell so much, your attach rate will get skewed. just look at the ps2

as a whole though, Wii software is not as poor as some people make it seem:

http://kotaku.com/5010214/nintendo-wii-has-highest-software-sales-for-first-18-months

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]The Wii has definitely won. The only ones losing are those who don't own a Wii.Stevo_the_gamer

One question: Are PC gamers "losing"? :roll:

PC-Wii FTW!

Double first-place victory, one for casuals and one for hardcores. PS3 and 360 are fighting over second-to-last place.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]The Wii has definitely won. The only ones losing are those who don't own a Wii.Stevo_the_gamer

One question: Are PC gamers "losing"? :roll:

PC only gamers are definitely losing. So many good games are out on all the consoles that missing out on them is bad. Good thing I have a PC, Wii, PS3, and a DS.

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="SER69"][QUOTE="Shadow_of_Kirby"]

While we do get 3 excellent games next month, and a distant one (Sonic and the Black Knight), it's considerably weaker than the other lineups.

SER69

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="SER69"][QUOTE="Shadow_of_Kirby"]

While we do get 3 excellent games next month, and a distant one (Sonic and the Black Knight), it's considerably weaker than the other lineups.

GundamGuy0

I'm not a Wiionly owner, and I feel the same way.

The only games I really must have for other consoles this year are BK:NB, BioShock PS3 version.

EDIT: I'll probly pick up a version of Force Unleased also, but it's not a first day buy for me.

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]

PS2 sold most AND had most games, thats why it won, we care about the games not the sales, correlation is not causality.

360 is currently winning, PS3 is the main competition.

ogvampire

if the ps2 'won' cause it had the most sales AND the most games, how do you figure the 360 to 'win' when it has the most games yet the least amount of sales?

:| well other than collecting dust what has wii done recently? 360 has the best games and most going for it. To gamers, 360 wins. To you, a potential shareholder in nintendo maybe, you can win precious precious money, but i for one do not care for backstabbers such as nintendo, they can kiss the fattest part of the collective hardcore gamer's arse for all i care, sell outs and dissapointing the hardcore, bad show, end of commas.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]

PS2 sold most AND had most games, thats why it won, we care about the games not the sales, correlation is not causality.

360 is currently winning, PS3 is the main competition.

clembo1990

if the ps2 'won' cause it had the most sales AND the most games, how do you figure the 360 to 'win' when it has the most games yet the least amount of sales?

:| well other than collecting dust what has wii done recently? 360 has the best games and most going for it. To gamers, 360 wins. To you, a potential shareholder in nintendo maybe, you can win precious precious money, but i for one do not care for backstabbers such as nintendo, they can kiss the fattest part of the collective hardcore gamer's arse for all i care, sell outs and dissapointing the hardcore, bad show, end of commas.

um...ok. im still waiting for an answer to my question

PC only gamers are definitely losing. So many good games are out on all the consoles that missing out on them is bad. Good thing I have a PC, Wii, PS3, and a DS. Zhengi

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]PC only gamers are definitely losing. So many good games are out on all the consoles that missing out on them is bad. Good thing I have a PC, Wii, PS3, and a DS. Stevo_the_gamer

Complementary system according to who? You? Well, my opinion is that the Wii can stand by itself perfectly fine. So now what?

So yes, PC gamers are definitely losing if that is all that have. They won't get to play games like SMG, Metal Gear Solid 4, Tales of Symphonia, Tales of Vesperia, Disgaea 3, etc. That's why it's good to own multiple systems including the Wii.

um...ok. im still waiting for an answer to my question

ogvampire

SystemWars has voted on this before. We judge a system based on games not sales.

[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]

PS2 sold most AND had most games, thats why it won, we care about the games not the sales, correlation is not causality.

360 is currently winning, PS3 is the main competition.

ogvampire

if the ps2 'won' cause it had the most sales AND the most games, how do you figure the 360 to 'win' when it has the most games yet the least amount of sales?

:| well other than collecting dust what has wii done recently? 360 has the best games and most going for it. To gamers, 360 wins. To you, a potential shareholder in nintendo maybe, you can win precious precious money, but i for one do not care for backstabbers such as nintendo, they can kiss the fattest part of the collective hardcore gamer's arse for all i care, sell outs and dissapointing the hardcore, bad show, end of commas.

um...ok. im still waiting for an answer to my question

ok, i'll type it a little slower then .... I said we gamers care more for games than sales, to us, 360 is winning. Wii has not met the games side of the deal, so it is loosing here on SW for its extreme lack of 3rd party support for AAA titles and even 1st party franchises formerly AAAE and AAAAE not being shown the honor of a new game on wii because their dev team is working on a new wii sports title.0

Pretty simple really, if you read my opening statement you'd clearly see what i am getting at, but obviously it needed to be pointed out rather than left as assumed knowledge between co-operative and progressive human beings trying to discuss a topic.

hannah montana sells more records than audio slave at the moment. does that mean she is a better singer than chris cornell?

abercrombie and fitch sells millions of pre-ripped jeans for 70 bucks

mcdonalds sells millions of hamburgers

sales do not equal quality. usually, one correllates with the other, but by any means you would have to ignorant to think that just because something sells it's better than the other thing.