Do you want the Wii U to succeed? [Poll Added]

I don't want any gaming company to fail, but I hope Nintendo learns from this and builds a proper console next time (although I don't think the Wii U is as horrible as everyone says).

Hopefully, Gamers will stop saying how great (insert name of 8th generation console of choice here) is, in comparison with (insert name of rival 8th generation consoles here) after they understand that graphics differences between each console, will be less obvious over time and that the less powerfull can find a work around with better textures and tricks to accomplish the same goal as the more powerfull ones. I hope this graphic illustrates my point, in what I believe is Nintendo's idea pursuing lower specs in their console. RJSaud

no, nintendo needs to realize that they should stop giving us outdated shitty hardware, because they are to cheap and afraid to make a proper console without some useless gimmick

Sweenix

At first I was thinking 'I don't care', because it's Nintendos problem to make a product worth me buying.

But I fully agree with you. I don't mind that they have weaker hardware, but they always go too far. How the crap have they just released a console only slightly better than the current gen consoles. How expensive can it be to at least be inbetween.

It was the same with the Wii. You would have to work hard at making console hardware that shit. In fact the GPU was weaker than the Original Xbox WTF.

[QUOTE="TecmoGirl"]

Definitely! But I dun mind seeing them struggle as well. There are plenty of lessons to be learned with this console for them. They really need to reevaluate their approach in terms of hardware in the future to better entice customers and devs alike. Ninty can totally do better.

MirkoS77

Arrogance and Hubris at its finest.

But I  :lol:  at all those saying Nintendo is doomed.  I'm really not too happy towards the big N right now, but the Wii U will surely survive, this is guaranteed.  Great games will eventually release, and sales will pick-up.  It's happened with all past gens, and it will with this one as well.  I don't think it will be able to compete with Sony and MS and will be again relegated to 3rd place, but it'll live.

Yup! Sometimes Ninty can definitely be a bunch of hardheaded know-it-alls, who feel only they TRULY know whats best and rather not waste their time listening to what the fans think they want overall. I dun really disagree with the 3rd place prediction either -- but Ninty is the comeback kid of the gaming industry, so I try to avoid making any placement predictions when it comes to them. Hoping for the best though.

NO!  That way Nintendo wises up and stops selling outdated hardware for higher price, actually stops going long periods with game droughts, stops all these gimmicks by trying to replace what everyone is already accustomed to, and hopefully it forces them to actually start listening to their consumers and give them what they want!

NO!  That way Nintendo wises up and stops selling outdated hardware for higher price, actually stops going long periods with game droughts, stops all these gimmicks by trying to replace what everyone is already accustomed to, and hopefully it forces them to actually start listening to their consumers and give them what they want!

Rage010101

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NO!  That way Nintendo wises up and stops selling outdated hardware for higher price, actually stops going long periods with game droughts, stops all these gimmicks by trying to replace what everyone is already accustomed to, and hopefully it forces them to actually start listening to their consumers and give them what they want!

nintendoboy16

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[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

NO!  That way Nintendo wises up and stops selling outdated hardware for higher price, actually stops going long periods with game droughts, stops all these gimmicks by trying to replace what everyone is already accustomed to, and hopefully it forces them to actually start listening to their consumers and give them what they want!

Kaszilla

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]There's a major problem with that...

nintendoboy16

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

NO!  That way Nintendo wises up and stops selling outdated hardware for higher price, actually stops going long periods with game droughts, stops all these gimmicks by trying to replace what everyone is already accustomed to, and hopefully it forces them to actually start listening to their consumers and give them what they want!

nintendoboy16

Not sure what point you were trying to make.  Can you please explain instead of linking something as if we're psychic and can read your mind.

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[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

NO!  That way Nintendo wises up and stops selling outdated hardware for higher price, actually stops going long periods with game droughts, stops all these gimmicks by trying to replace what everyone is already accustomed to, and hopefully it forces them to actually start listening to their consumers and give them what they want!

Rage010101

Not sure what point you were trying to make.  Can you please explain instead of linking something as if we're psychic and can read your mind.

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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]There's a major problem with that...

nintendoboy16

Not sure what point you were trying to make.  Can you please explain instead of linking something as if we're psychic and can read your mind.

That Link is a wall of text, I'm sorry but I'm not gonna read that.

That only reinforces and supports my claim even more.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="Rage010101"]

Not sure what point you were trying to make.  Can you please explain instead of linking something as if we're psychic and can read your mind.

Rage010101

That Link is a wall of text, I'm sorry but I'm not gonna read that.

That only reinforces and supports my claim even more.

Oh and by the way, you don't have to read the whole thing. They are just there so you can read examples of broken fanbases, something every developer/publisher/franchise has.

hopefully it forces them to actually start listening to their consumers and give them what they want!

Rage010101

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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] The link should say it all if you click on it, Nintendo's base is too damn broken for them to even listen to most complaints. They can address one, but get flank for doing it.nintendoboy16

That Link is a wall of text, I'm sorry but I'm not gonna read that.

That only reinforces and supports my claim even more.

So your excuse is that nintendo's fan base is too broken, so they might as well not listen to them at all?  What kind of garbage logic is that? Again, only proves what I said, Nintendo doesnt wanna put the effort to listen to their consumers.

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]hopefully it forces them to actually start listening to their consumers and give them what they want!

timmy00

So they should just not bother with any consumer concerns and just keep doing what nintedo does?  Ya, that's working out for them really well huh?

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[QUOTE="Rage010101"]hopefully it forces them to actually start listening to their consumers and give them what they want!

Rage010101

So they should just not bother with any consumer concerns and just keep doing what nintedo does?  Ya, that's working out for them really well huh?

I'm fine with what they're doing so whatever. It's not like they're completely ignoring their fanbase anyways.

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[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

That Link is a wall of text, I'm sorry but I'm not gonna read that.

That only reinforces and supports my claim even more.

Rage010101

So your excuse is that nintendo's fan base is too broken, so they might as well not listen to them at all?  What kind of garbage logic is that? Again, only proves what I said, Nintendo doesnt wanna put the effort to listen to their consumers.

Again, the only complaints they actually CAN resolve with no problem are something along the likes of relieving 18+ blocks and 60 hz retro games on Wii U VC/eShop.

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

[QUOTE="timmy00"]If by "their consumers" you mean most people here complaining about Nintendo, I'd rather they not listen to them.

timmy00

So they should just not bother with any consumer concerns and just keep doing what nintedo does?  Ya, that's working out for them really well huh?

I'm fine with what they're doing so whatever. It's not like they're completely ignoring their fanbase anyways.

I'm referring to potential buyers interested in Nintendo if they can meet certain requirements that most consumers would expect and want.

I think you're mixing legitimate consumers with fanboys on this forum.

I'm sorry, but are the points I've made unreasonable?  Surely what I've put forward are within the bounds of logic.  Are they not?  Unless you think it's ok for everyone to buy purely on impluse.

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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]What, being so broken, most of your fans OFFICIALLY don't have a clue what they want? How does that reinforce your "Nintendo should listen to their fans" point? There are so few things where they actually CAN address complaints and get positive results for. Most recent example, stopping the 18+ for eShop in Europe. 

nintendoboy16

So your excuse is that nintendo's fan base is too broken, so they might as well not listen to them at all?  What kind of garbage logic is that? Again, only proves what I said, Nintendo doesnt wanna put the effort to listen to their consumers.

Again, the only complaints they actually CAN resolve with no problem are something along the likes of relieving 18+ blocks and 60 hz retro games on Wii U VC/eShop.

Backfired?  Nintendo made a promise that they never even committed to.  They didn't follow through.  

It didnt backfire, Nintendo simply just didn't put any effort.  It goes back to what we already discussed, they simply didnt listen to their consumers.  Now they're losing alot of 3rd party support, just like the last 3 Nintendo gens.  They just don't learn.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

So your excuse is that nintendo's fan base is too broken, so they might as well not listen to them at all?  What kind of garbage logic is that? Again, only proves what I said, Nintendo doesnt wanna put the effort to listen to their consumers.

Rage010101

Again, the only complaints they actually CAN resolve with no problem are something along the likes of relieving 18+ blocks and 60 hz retro games on Wii U VC/eShop.

Backfired?  Nintendo made a promise that they never even committed to.  They didn't follow through.  

It didnt backfire, Nintendo simply just didn't put any effort.  It goes back to what we already discussed, they simply didnt listen to their consumers.  Now they're losing alot of 3rd party support, just like the last 3 Nintendo gens.  They just don't learn.

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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Because it's not worth it. Nintendo fans wanted a "hardcore" console, but that backfired two months before the Wii U even released, even before the underpowered complaints.

Again, the only complaints they actually CAN resolve with no problem are something along the likes of relieving 18+ blocks and 60 hz retro games on Wii U VC/eShop.

nintendoboy16

Backfired?  Nintendo made a promise that they never even committed to.  They didn't follow through.  

It didnt backfire, Nintendo simply just didn't put any effort.  It goes back to what we already discussed, they simply didnt listen to their consumers.  Now they're losing alot of 3rd party support, just like the last 3 Nintendo gens.  They just don't learn.

So one game is your best excuse?  One game is enough for you guys?  Also, expect Bayonetta 2 to go multiplat eventually.  See raymen legends for reference.

I been a cow for most of my gaming years but no I do not wish any system to fail. and actually I am thinking about getting a Wii U but I do not blame people who do not wanna give it a chance. I mean everything about it is so confusing. the name , the look and even the controllers , I mean can someone tell me how am I to use the controllers , which ones to buy? this thing has a remote, tablet controller and a pro controller so which one am I supposed to use?
anyways I wish the best for every manufacturers but they will have to do their homework if they want to succeed. 

The link should say it all if you click on it, Nintendo's base is too damn broken for them to even listen to most complaints. They can address one, but get flank for doing it.nintendoboy16

1) using severely outdated tech with gimmicks at a high price point.

2) lagging behind in their online infrastructure, multiplayer features, and indie game scene and marketplace.

3) making poor business decisions such as tying accounts to hardware and bowing out of a E3 PC.

4) being very slow and hesitant on creating just a handful of new IPs, and having familiar ones be in danger of becoming stale.

5) not really investing heavily in Western dev studios.

6) not porting more games from Japan.

7) always having huge game droughts.

8) continuingly being incapable of attaining 3rd party support (which would be a lot easier to get if Nintendo would remedy the above, userbase would increase, and they'd have reason to back it).

 People, playing games, apparently do not care for these things.  Gamers want the best tech, they want competitve multiplayer with all the bells and whistles, new fresh IPs, western games and Japanes games brought over. Any company that wishes to be successful NEEDS to be aware of what their audience desires and should try their best to cater to them.  That's where the money's at.  And if they're not in touch with what that userbase desires and in-turn struggles, then they need to look in the mirror and reevaluate their strategy and adapt, which Nintendo seems to be incapable or unwilling to do.  They always seem to lag behind everyone else in many areas and it's obvious many people are tiring of it and are beginning to move on and treat them like an afterthought.  And that's not their fault....it's Nintendo's.

Nintendo is not doing terribly because nobody will support them.  Nobody will support them because Nintendo is doing terribly.

I can't show my support for the tablet controller gimmick, so no.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] The link should say it all if you click on it, Nintendo's base is too damn broken for them to even listen to most complaints. They can address one, but get flank for doing it.MirkoS77

1) using severely outdated tech with gimmicks at a high price point.

2) lagging behind in their online infrastructure, multiplayer features, and indie game scene and marketplace.

3) making poor business decisions such as tying accounts to hardware and bowing out of a E3 PC.

4) being very slow and hesitant on creating just a handful of new IPs, and having familiar ones be in danger of becoming stale.

5) not really investing heavily in Western dev studios.

6) not porting more games from Japan.

7) always having huge game droughts.

8) continuingly being incapable of attaining 3rd party support (which would be a lot easier to get if Nintendo would remedy the above, userbase would increase, and they'd have reason to back it).

 People, playing games, apparently do not care for these things.  Gamers want the best tech, they want competitve multiplayer with all the bells and whistles, new fresh IPs, western games and Japanes games brought over. Any company that wishes to be successful NEEDS to be aware of what their audience desires and should try their best to cater to them.  That's where the money's at.  And if they're not in touch with what that userbase desires and in-turn struggles, then they need to look in the mirror and reevaluate their strategy and adapt, which Nintendo seems to be incapable or unwilling to do.  They always seem to lag behind everyone else in many areas and it's obvious many people are tiring of it and are beginning to move on and treat them like an afterthought.  And that's not their fault....it's Nintendo's.

Nintendo is not doing terribly because nobody will support them.  Nobody will support them because Nintendo is doing terribly.

^ This.  Pretty much some of what I already said but you said it in more detail.

Only people who disagree and try to fight what everyone else knows to be true are in all essence, fanboys.

Nintendo is not going to change unless their fan base starts acknowledging their wrongs.

Nintendo not listening to their consumers because their fanbase is broken and doesn't know what they want is the biggest copout and cheap excuses I've heard in awhile!  Seriously!

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] The link should say it all if you click on it, Nintendo's base is too damn broken for them to even listen to most complaints. They can address one, but get flank for doing it.MirkoS77

1) using severely outdated tech with gimmicks at a high price point.

2) lagging behind in their online infrastructure, multiplayer features, and indie game scene and marketplace.

3) making poor business decisions such as tying accounts to hardware and bowing out of a E3 PC.

4) being very slow and hesitant on creating just a handful of new IPs, and having familiar ones be in danger of becoming stale.

5) not really investing heavily in Western dev studios.

6) not porting more games from Japan.

7) always having huge game droughts.

8) continuingly being incapable of attaining 3rd party support (which would be a lot easier to get if Nintendo would remedy the above, userbase would increase, and they'd have reason to back it).

 People, playing games, apparently do not care for these things.  Gamers want the best tech, they want competitve multiplayer with all the bells and whistles, new fresh IPs, western games and Japanes games brought over. Any company that wishes to be successful NEEDS to be aware of what their audience desires and should try their best to cater to them.  That's where the money's at.  And if they're not in touch with what that userbase desires and in-turn struggles, then they need to look in the mirror and reevaluate their strategy and adapt, which Nintendo seems to be incapable or unwilling to do.  They always seem to lag behind everyone else in many areas and it's obvious many people are tiring of it and are beginning to move on and treat them like an afterthought.  And that's not their fault....it's Nintendo's.

Nintendo is not doing terribly because nobody will support them.  Nobody will support them because Nintendo is doing terribly.

Only on SW could this be a thing.

Absolutely.  More competition equals better choices for gamers.  And I loves me my Nintendo first party stuff.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] The link should say it all if you click on it, Nintendo's base is too damn broken for them to even listen to most complaints. They can address one, but get flank for doing it.MirkoS77

1) using severely outdated tech with gimmicks at a high price point.

2) lagging behind in their online infrastructure, multiplayer features, and indie game scene and marketplace.

3) making poor business decisions such as tying accounts to hardware and bowing out of a E3 PC.

4) being very slow and hesitant on creating just a handful of new IPs, and having familiar ones be in danger of becoming stale.

5) not really investing heavily in Western dev studios.

6) not porting more games from Japan.

7) always having huge game droughts.

8) continuingly being incapable of attaining 3rd party support (which would be a lot easier to get if Nintendo would remedy the above, userbase would increase, and they'd have reason to back it).

 People, playing games, apparently do not care for these things.  Gamers want the best tech, they want competitve multiplayer with all the bells and whistles, new fresh IPs, western games and Japanes games brought over. Any company that wishes to be successful NEEDS to be aware of what their audience desires and should try their best to cater to them.  That's where the money's at.  And if they're not in touch with what that userbase desires and in-turn struggles, then they need to look in the mirror and reevaluate their strategy and adapt, which Nintendo seems to be incapable or unwilling to do.  They always seem to lag behind everyone else in many areas and it's obvious many people are tiring of it and are beginning to move on and treat them like an afterthought.  And that's not their fault....it's Nintendo's.

Nintendo is not doing terribly because nobody will support them.  Nobody will support them because Nintendo is doing terribly.

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Backfired?  Nintendo made a promise that they never even committed to.  They didn't follow through.  

It didnt backfire, Nintendo simply just didn't put any effort.  It goes back to what we already discussed, they simply didnt listen to their consumers.  Now they're losing alot of 3rd party support, just like the last 3 Nintendo gens.  They just don't learn.

Rage010101

So one game is your best excuse?  One game is enough for you guys?  Also, expect Bayonetta 2 to go multiplat eventually.  See raymen legends for reference.

If you expect Bayo 2 to be multiplat, well either wait for it to sell well enough for SEGA to publish an enhanced version for PS4/Infinity, or wait for SEGA to break their deal off with Nintendo and give it to another publisher (ex: Namco Bandai as they seem to be the closest to both Ninty and SEGA) as they are NOT in the position to be publishing that game, which is why they blew it off in the first place.

I hope the wii u flops maybe that will wake Nintendo up. Instead of looking at what gamers want, Nintendo says this is what we want to do. If gamers don't like what Nintendo is doing then Nintendo says gamers don't understand. No Nintendo you don't understand.

I hope the wii u flops maybe that will wake Nintendo up. Instead of looking at what gamers want, Nintendo says this is what we want to do. If gamers don't like what Nintendo is doing then Nintendo says gamers don't understand. No Nintendo you don't understand.

no-scope-AK47

Nope, I absolutely hope it fails hard. I despise their cheap hardware approach. And if Nextbox is as underpowered as it is rumored to be I hope it fails too for being influenced by Nintendo.

I voted yes because I never want Nintendo to fail... why? I truly believe that it may eventually be just Nintendo in the console race or possibly the physical media game. Nintendo will succeed this generation have no fear.... however, it almost guaranteed it will not reach the level of the original Wii. The longer Nintendo stayd, the longer SONY and Microsoft stay... they all need each other.... why? To stay relevant with an industry full of fools, blowhards, and tryhards that want to give consumers nothing at a premium. We the gamers have the oppurtunity now to support tese consoles and keep them relevant. Or we can all watch as casual bs sweeps across and takes out our industries.

Anyways though, it is kind of bitter sweet, because I think Nintendo can do SO MUCH more.... however, I am sure they will have enough exclusives to make me interested enough to support them pretty heavily within a year or two.

I want Nintendo to pay for what the Wii did to gaming.Bread_or_Decide

Of course not. :|

"Some men aren't looking for anything logical like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

Sorry I had to put that one up. But on topic, yes, I want them to succeed but, in the end, it is Nintendo's choice if they want to throw in the towel or not. And by judging on the comments here, it seems like the people here stop having fun playing games or something like that.

People want fresh experiences, not prettier games that play the same as last gen. Nobody is arguing that Nintendo is without fault, but the whole point of a broken fan base is that you are never going to please everyone. That's a fact of life. You're always going to alienate someone for every decision you make. As of right now, the Wii U is still the most powerful console in the market (at least until Q4 2013). Having the same old experience except prettier isn't sustainable. Tomb Raider sold 3 million and still didn't make a profit. Something has to change, and new fresh AAA IPs are not the guarantee to succeed like they used to be.

The best way to get new IPs on board is to make console development cheaper so that you can still make a profit even if you sold 250k copies. Western developers won't come until they see there is an audience for their games, Japanese developers see it differently. Nintendo has its faults, and they are many. For all their faults, you should recognize and give them credit for things that do work (eShop, reaching out to indie developers, working with Atlus for SMTxFire Emblem, sourcing Smash Bros to Namco Bandai).hiphops_savior

Why does Nintendo have a fractured fanbase and Sony or others don't?  Or do you think all do?  And yes, same old prettier is perfectly sustainable.  GeoW, Uncharted, GoW.  Especially CoD.  Hell, Mario and Zelda are proof enough of this.

I have nothing against imprroved hardware and all, though I do question if it is really so important now compared to previous gens. The graphical leap shown on the PS4 didn;t exactly wow me as much as the leap achieved with the N64/PS1 and then the GC/PS2/Xbox. Hell, on 360/PS3 level hardware we have seen the likes of Skyrim and Just Cause 2 on such systems, and those games were f*cking huge. Admittidly Skyrim had some glitches and bugs on consoles from what I've heard, on the other hand I also don't really want all games to be trying and achieving such large worlds anyways as then gaming would get incredibly redundant. In the end I would think that the Wii U's hardware is still capable of many things, and as far as graphical fidelity goes I find that to be a non-issue as I favor art-style far more, and find games like Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101 to be very visually appealing.

My point is that, while I have nothing against Sony and Microsoft's approach to their next gen consoles, I also have nothing against Nintendo's approach either and actually kind of respect that they try to think outside the box/hardware power and try to think of other ways to improve or change gaming. Now if only they could implement and execute such ideas well, since while the Wii was a pretty neat idea, really only a small handful of games ever really managed to make any sort of interesting use out of the Wii-Mote. The Wii U hasn't shown much yet either, though its also much younger.

I really like Nintendo and I dont want them to go 3rd party bcuz of their handhelds. The Wii U will surely get some great games but I just dont see the point of a last gen console releasing right before the PS4 & 720 which will be a leap above the Wii U. Will the industry hurt if the Wii U fails? I dont think so.Kaszilla

They could go 3rd party for console/pc gaming and still make hand-helds.

Of course I want the Wii U to succeed.  I don't want any of the big three to fail. Why anyone would baffles me. Each one brings something to gaming. Unfortunately Nintendo still has a hard time garnering 3rd party support and they still don't understand what the core gaming crowd wants. The Wii U has literally 2 titles that I would buy right now. Without games it'll continue to struggle. Nintendo has shown it can survive largely on first party titles, but for how long?

no, nintendo needs to realize that they should stop giving us outdated shitty hardware, because they are to cheap and afraid to make a proper console without some useless gimmick

Sweenix

This. I want it to fail miserably (Nintendo has a lot of money, they won't go bankrupt or anything) so Nintendo can start making a worthwhile console next next gen.

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"]I really like Nintendo and I dont want them to go 3rd party bcuz of their handhelds. The Wii U will surely get some great games but I just dont see the point of a last gen console releasing right before the PS4 & 720 which will be a leap above the Wii U. Will the industry hurt if the Wii U fails? I dont think so.StormyJoe

They could go 3rd party for console/pc gaming and still make hand-helds.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="Kaszilla"]I really like Nintendo and I dont want them to go 3rd party bcuz of their handhelds. The Wii U will surely get some great games but I just dont see the point of a last gen console releasing right before the PS4 & 720 which will be a leap above the Wii U. Will the industry hurt if the Wii U fails? I dont think so.nintendoboy16

They could go 3rd party for console/pc gaming and still make hand-helds.