Does Forza 4 produce the most realistic car photos in a game? [not for 56k]

Why are you claiming Forza looks better in motion and then you produce a HORRIBLE looking PICTURE to back it up LOL. If you want to see how something looks in motion doesn't it have to move?

GT5 in motion

Forza 4 in motion

I used two open cockpit cars since Forza doesn't have F1

Nuck81

I've put at least 50h into GT5 and at least 20 into Forza 4, gotta say your wrong on many levels.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

Why are you claiming Forza looks better in motion and then you produce a HORRIBLE looking PICTURE to back it up LOL. If you want to see how something looks in motion doesn't it have to move?

GT5 in motion

Forza 4 in motion

I used two open cockpit cars since Forza doesn't have F1

razgriz_101

I've put at least 50h into GT5 and at least 20 into Forza 4, gotta say your wrong on many levels.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

Why are you claiming Forza looks better in motion and then you produce a HORRIBLE looking PICTURE to back it up LOL. If you want to see how something looks in motion doesn't it have to move?

GT5 in motion

Forza 4 in motion

I used two open cockpit cars since Forza doesn't have F1

Nuck81

I've put at least 50h into GT5 and at least 20 into Forza 4, gotta say your wrong on many levels.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

I've put at least 50h into GT5 and at least 20 into Forza 4, gotta say your wrong on many levels.

windsquid9000

Lol, GT5 does not have da foliage.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

I've put at least 50h into GT5 and at least 20 into Forza 4, gotta say your wrong on many levels.

windsquid9000

Why are you claiming Forza looks better in motion and then you produce a HORRIBLE looking PICTURE to back it up LOL. If you want to see how something looks in motion doesn't it have to move?

GT5 in motion

Forza 4 in motion

I used two open cockpit cars since Forza doesn't have F1

Nuck81

Forza vs GT5 comparison

Notice how GT5's lighting is SLIGHTLY better but Forza 4 has MUCH more trackside detail including the trees in the background and the more detailed skybox.

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] Watch the videos, it;s not even close, you can not watch the two videos and make a claim like Forza looks better, you look like a moron.Ravensmash

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

Why are you claiming Forza looks better in motion and then you produce a HORRIBLE looking PICTURE to back it up LOL. If you want to see how something looks in motion doesn't it have to move?

GT5 in motion

Forza 4 in motion

I used two open cockpit cars since Forza doesn't have F1

Nuck81

I've put at least 50h into GT5 and at least 20 into Forza 4, gotta say your wrong on many levels.

Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware your opinion was the law around here. :roll:

I have both Forza 4 and GT5 and Forza handily beats GT5 in motion on my TV. I don't need to use youtube videos to vouch for my experience with both games. I (unlike you, clearly) actually have played dozens of hours worth of BOTH games.

Strawman. I never said Forza wasn't a fine game, or a great drive. Just that it doesn't look as good as GT5. I have no doubts Forza is the best Racer available on 360. But it can't come close to the Realistic visuals that GT5 can. And you don't have to play it to see that and prove it....Nuck81

You do need eyes attached to a functioning brain though, so you might not be the best judge.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

Why are you claiming Forza looks better in motion and then you produce a HORRIBLE looking PICTURE to back it up LOL. If you want to see how something looks in motion doesn't it have to move?

GT5 in motion

Forza 4 in motion

I used two open cockpit cars since Forza doesn't have F1

The_Game21x

Forza vs GT5 comparison

Notice how GT5's lighting is SLIGHTLY better but Forza 4 has MUCH more trackside detail including the trees in the background and the more detailed skybox.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

I've put at least 50h into GT5 and at least 20 into Forza 4, gotta say your wrong on many levels.

The_Game21x

Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware your opinion was the law around here. :roll:

I have both Forza 4 and GT5 and Forza handily beats GT5 in motion on my TV. I don't need to use youtube videos to vouch for my experience with both games. I (unlike you, clearly) actually have played dozens of hours worth of BOTH games.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"] Says the one spouting little more that "it's different than GT5 so it's bad".Nuck81

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

Why are you claiming Forza looks better in motion and then you produce a HORRIBLE looking PICTURE to back it up LOL. If you want to see how something looks in motion doesn't it have to move?

GT5 in motion

Forza 4 in motion

I used two open cockpit cars since Forza doesn't have F1

Nuck81

Forza vs GT5 comparison

Notice how GT5's lighting is SLIGHTLY better but Forza 4 has MUCH more trackside detail including the trees in the background and the more detailed skybox.

It's called an overcast sky. What, they don't have overcast weather conditions where you live? :roll:

Even with the "fog" Forza 4 has more detail in the distance than GT5 does. Open your eyes.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

Why are you claiming Forza looks better in motion and then you produce a HORRIBLE looking PICTURE to back it up LOL. If you want to see how something looks in motion doesn't it have to move?

GT5 in motion

Forza 4 in motion

I used two open cockpit cars since Forza doesn't have F1

Nuck81

Forza vs GT5 comparison

Notice how GT5's lighting is SLIGHTLY better but Forza 4 has MUCH more trackside detail including the trees in the background and the more detailed skybox.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] Watch the videos, it;s not even close, you can not watch the two videos and make a claim like Forza looks better, you look like a moron.Nuck81

Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware your opinion was the law around here. :roll:

I have both Forza 4 and GT5 and Forza handily beats GT5 in motion on my TV. I don't need to use youtube videos to vouch for my experience with both games. I (unlike you, clearly) actually have played dozens of hours worth of BOTH games.

Yeah, because low quality YouTube videos are objective proof. :roll:

If you want to think you've won, go ahead. You're good at self-delusion but just about everyone here who has actually played both games and not just formed their opinions based on online videos can see that you're fighting a losing battle here.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware your opinion was the law around here. :roll:

I have both Forza 4 and GT5 and Forza handily beats GT5 in motion on my TV. I don't need to use youtube videos to vouch for my experience with both games. I (unlike you, clearly) actually have played dozens of hours worth of BOTH games.

The_Game21x

Yeah, because low quality YouTube videos are objective proof. :roll:

If you want to think you've won, go ahead. You're good at self-delusion but just about everyone here who has actually played both games and not just formed their opinions based on online videos can see that you're fighting a losing battle here.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] Dodge the videos. Lose the debate. See ya later, you're outNuck81

Yeah, because low quality YouTube videos are objective proof. :roll:

If you want to think you've won, go ahead. You're good at self-delusion but just about everyone here who has actually played both games and not just formed their opinions based on online videos can see that you're fighting a losing battle here.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

Yeah, because low quality YouTube videos are objective proof. :roll:

If you want to think you've won, go ahead. You're good at self-delusion but just about everyone here who has actually played both games and not just formed their opinions based on online videos can see that you're fighting a losing battle here.

Nuck81

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] Dodge the videos. Lose the debate. See ya later, you're outNuck81

Yeah, because low quality YouTube videos are objective proof. :roll:

If you want to think you've won, go ahead. You're good at self-delusion but just about everyone here who has actually played both games and not just formed their opinions based on online videos can see that you're fighting a losing battle here.

I was fighting fire with fire. Neither of your videos are better than mine.

But whatever dude. As I said, I've based my opinion of the two games on actually playing them. Not YouTube videos.

And seriously? Going back to the GT5 standards look as good as Forza 4's cars in motion argument? And you say I'm hopeless? You haven't even played Forza 4 and you think you can judge the quality of its cars versus GT5's?

I've dealt with some stupidity in my time but this...this is just too much. :lol:

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

Why are you claiming Forza looks better in motion and then you produce a HORRIBLE looking PICTURE to back it up LOL. If you want to see how something looks in motion doesn't it have to move?

GT5 in motion

Forza 4 in motion

I used two open cockpit cars since Forza doesn't have F1

Nuck81

I've put at least 50h into GT5 and at least 20 into Forza 4, gotta say your wrong on many levels.

Kicker is..Forza's still the better game for a start its much more consistent visually and 2 it has much better racing and tuning setups and an actual auction house/trading system that doesnt feel like it was thrown in at last minute.

want to trade cars? nope you gotta wait 24h and challenges after patch genuinely made GT mode a complete cakewalk.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Yeah, because low quality YouTube videos are objective proof. :roll:

If you want to think you've won, go ahead. You're good at self-delusion but just about everyone here who has actually played both games and not just formed their opinions based on online videos can see that you're fighting a losing battle here.

The_Game21x

I was fighting fire with fire. Neither of your videos are better than mine.

But whatever dude. As I said, I've based my opinion of the two games on actually playing them. Not YouTube videos.

And seriously? Going back to the GT5 standards look as good as Forza 4's cars in motion argument? And you say I'm hopeless? You haven't even played Forza 4 and you think you can judge the quality of its cars versus GT5's?

I've dealt with some stupidity in my time but this...this is just too much. :lol:

Edit: Fixed Typo

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] Stop dodging the bit about you not having played both games. Not to mention your ridiculous dismissal of the photo comparison :lol:Ravensmash

want to trade cars? nope you gotta wait 24h and challenges after patch genuinely made GT mode a complete cakewalk.

razgriz_101

But you're admitting that GT5's best visuals are better than Forza's best Visuals? I'm assuming since you just used the "yeah but conistent" argument...

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]want to trade cars? nope you gotta wait 24h and challenges after patch genuinely made GT mode a complete cakewalk.

Nuck81

But you're admitting that GT5's best visuals are better than Forza's best Visuals? I'm assuming since you just used the "yeah but conistent" argument...

the trading system IS JUST ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE A TODDLER WOULD HAVE DESIGNED IT BETTER.

And Consistency in the fact the tracks (grand valley and Laguna) clearly use a lot of assets from the GT4 versions and its fugly in motion, consistency is key and forzas no slouch it looks better and the car models are on par when you get to the nitty gritty.

Also i love how much you basically kiss Poly's ass when they released a half assed product after a 6 year product cycle keep clinging on to them its the only reason they survive they really need a foot up the arse.

Also, there's this.The_Game21x

Also i love how much you basically kiss Poly's ass when they released a half assed product after a 6 year product cycle keep clinging on to them its the only reason they survive they really need a foot up the arse.

razgriz_101

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]want to trade cars? nope you gotta wait 24h and challenges after patch genuinely made GT mode a complete cakewalk.

Nuck81

But you're admitting that GT5's best visuals are better than Forza's best Visuals? I'm assuming since you just used the "yeah but conistent" argument...

As for the visuals, there are areas in GT5 that look AWFUL. Yes, Forza 4 has a consistent level of quality in the graphics.It doesn't look fantastic in some spots and then look like a xbox game in others.

Sigh...

GT5 – 8.0

The Bad

Quality of visuals is wildly inconsistent
Outdated and impractical online lobby system
Too easy to win early races simply by entering in a powerful car.

Sigh...

GT5 – 8.0

The Bad

Quality of visuals is wildly inconsistent
Outdated and impractical online lobby system
Too easy to win early races simply by entering in a powerful car.

masiisam

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

Sigh...

GT5 – 8.0

The Bad

Quality of visuals is wildly inconsistent
Outdated and impractical online lobby system
Too easy to win early races simply by entering in a powerful car.

Ravensmash

Right..Riku was the biggest tool of a GT fanboy and this guy might take the crown....MIGHT..i say..Well see what happens..

LOL Neither of your videos are better than mine ROFL. Actually yes they are low quality, your little buddy in this thread even admitted as much. Until you can show me a video of Forza 4 Cars looking better than GT5 Standards in MOTION then you're OPINION is useless. I've shown PROOF, you've only shown OPINION and "To me it looks better" We're looking for things that are OBJECTIVE which I have provided, you have done nothing but be SUBJECTIVE. You're dodging the Videos because you know that OBJECTIVELY it shuts down your SUBJECTIVE argument. Which is why you fail to address or acknowledge them other than to say they are "low quality" while producing an even poorer video yourself, like it suddenly makes a different. You took a track that Forza has a special promotional deal with to try and prove the overall game looks better. I used one of the most famous tracks in the world that is on almost every modern racing game and it destroys ANYTHING you can produce on ANYWHERE on Forza. Forza simply can not look as good as the F1 on Nordschlieffe. Maybe Forza 5 can approach that level of realism, come back when that happens...

Edit: Fixed Typo

Nuck81

:lol: You still think YouTube videos count as "proof". That's adorable.

Let me put this in a way you'll understand. Just as you think it is my opinion that Forza looks better in my video comparison, it is your opinion that GT5 looks better. It is also your opinion that your videos "prove" that GT5 looks better. Not a fact.

This is an important distinction that you haven't wrapped your head around. Fact vs opinion. it is not a fact that GT5 looks better. It is your opinion.

Now, you mention subjectivity. Since when have low quality YouTube videos become objective proof? Not one single video you've linked can be considered objectively better than Forza 4. Not one. Because "better" is a subjective concept in and of itself.

Now, you can continue to believe whatever you like. But don't think for even a second that anything you've provided is anything but subjective. If you do, you'll just be further demonstrating your apparent lack of understanding in this matter.

If we remove the fanboy stance for a second, how can updated PS2 models be better than models created for the 360?Ravensmash

I mean really, there is no denying the brilliance of GT5's Photomode. These are all Standard cars...

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

LOL Neither of your videos are better than mine ROFL. Actually yes they are low quality, your little buddy in this thread even admitted as much. Until you can show me a video of Forza 4 Cars looking better than GT5 Standards in MOTION then you're OPINION is useless. I've shown PROOF, you've only shown OPINION and "To me it looks better" We're looking for things that are OBJECTIVE which I have provided, you have done nothing but be SUBJECTIVE. You're dodging the Videos because you know that OBJECTIVELY it shuts down your SUBJECTIVE argument. Which is why you fail to address or acknowledge them other than to say they are "low quality" while producing an even poorer video yourself, like it suddenly makes a different. You took a track that Forza has a special promotional deal with to try and prove the overall game looks better. I used one of the most famous tracks in the world that is on almost every modern racing game and it destroys ANYTHING you can produce on ANYWHERE on Forza. Forza simply can not look as good as the F1 on Nordschlieffe. Maybe Forza 5 can approach that level of realism, come back when that happens...

Edit: Fixed Typo

The_Game21x

:lol: You still think YouTube videos count as "proof". That's adorable.

Let me put this in a way you'll understand. Just as you think it is my opinion that Forza looks better in my video comparison, it is your opinion that GT5 looks better. It is also your opinion that your videos "prove" that GT5 looks better. Not a fact.

This is an important distinction that you haven't wrapped your head around. Fact vs opinion. it is not a fact that GT5 looks better. It is your opinion.

Now, you mention subjectivity. Since when have low quality YouTube videos become objective proof? Not one single video you've linked can be considered objectively better than Forza 4. Not one. Because "better" is a subjective concept in and of itself.

Now, you can continue to believe whatever you like. But don't think for even a second that anything you've provided is anything but subjective. If you do, you'll just be further demonstrating your apparent lack of understanding in this matter.

So in essence, by saying there is no way I could ever be right, by the same criteria, you can never be right as well? Sounds like a way for you to escape to me, but whatever you say Killer

Edit: and to think this is not a better quality video than this is just a suspension of reality...

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

:lol: You still think YouTube videos count as "proof". That's adorable.

Let me put this in a way you'll understand. Just as you think it is my opinion that Forza looks better in my video comparison, it is your opinion that GT5 looks better. It is also your opinion that your videos "prove" that GT5 looks better. Not a fact.

This is an important distinction that you haven't wrapped your head around. Fact vs opinion. it is not a fact that GT5 looks better. It is your opinion.

Now, you mention subjectivity. Since when have low quality YouTube videos become objective proof? Not one single video you've linked can be considered objectively better than Forza 4. Not one. Because "better" is a subjective concept in and of itself.

Now, you can continue to believe whatever you like. But don't think for even a second that anything you've provided is anything but subjective. If you do, you'll just be further demonstrating your apparent lack of understanding in this matter.

Nuck81

So in essence, by saying there is no way I could ever be right, by the same criteria, you can never be right as well? Sounds like a way for you to escape to me, but whatever you say Killer

Now you're getting it!

Not a single video you've posted is objective proof of your opinion. Period. However, anyone can see that Forza 3 and 4's cars are objectively superior to a standard car in a direct comparison because the exterior is comprised of painted on textures for wheel wells, vents, doors and and windows whereas these are all fully rendered in Forza 3 and 4. And there's the matter of fact that each car in Forza 3 and 4 has an interior view which is fully rendered versus an incredibly simplistic and fake looking "interior" for open air cars or not rendered at all.

The polygon counts (objective concept!) don't lie bro.

Everyone in this thread can see the clear and present superiority of Forza 3 and 4's cars to GT5's standards except you. Just accept it dude and move on.

Does Forza 4 produce the most realistic car photos in a game?

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

W1NGMAN-

I've yet to see a pic look as real as that in this thread. So to answer the TCs question I'd say, no.

Let's move along people, nothing else to discuss.

I've yet to see a pic look as real as that in this thread. So to answer the TCs question I'd say, no.

Let's move along people, nothing else to discuss.

W1NGMAN-

So, because you don't think any other pics look as good as that one, the rest of us should just "move along"?

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] If we remove the fanboy stance for a second, how can updated PS2 models be better than models created for the 360?Nuck81

I mean really, there is no denying the brilliance of GT5's Photomode. These are all Standard cars...

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

I've yet to see a pic look as real as that in this thread. So to answer the TCs question I'd say, no.

Let's move along people, nothing else to discuss.

The_Game21x

So, because you don't think any other pics look as good as that one, the rest of us should just "move along"?

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

You seriously think anything you've posted up to this point is better than the pic above? Seriously? :?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

I've yet to see a pic look as real as that in this thread. So to answer the TCs question I'd say, no.

Let's move along people, nothing else to discuss.

W1NGMAN-

So, because you don't think any other pics look as good as that one, the rest of us should just "move along"?

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

You seriously think anything you've posted up to this point is better than the pic above? Seriously? :?

Yep, I seriously do. And it's not necessarily something I've posted either.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

:lol: You still think YouTube videos count as "proof". That's adorable.

Let me put this in a way you'll understand. Just as you think it is my opinion that Forza looks better in my video comparison, it is your opinion that GT5 looks better. It is also your opinion that your videos "prove" that GT5 looks better. Not a fact.

This is an important distinction that you haven't wrapped your head around. Fact vs opinion. it is not a fact that GT5 looks better. It is your opinion.

Now, you mention subjectivity. Since when have low quality YouTube videos become objective proof? Not one single video you've linked can be considered objectively better than Forza 4. Not one. Because "better" is a subjective concept in and of itself.

Now, you can continue to believe whatever you like. But don't think for even a second that anything you've provided is anything but subjective. If you do, you'll just be further demonstrating your apparent lack of understanding in this matter.

The_Game21x

So in essence, by saying there is no way I could ever be right, by the same criteria, you can never be right as well? Sounds like a way for you to escape to me, but whatever you say Killer

Now you're getting it!

Not a single video you've posted is objective proof of your opinion. Period. However, anyone can see that Forza 3 and 4's cars are objectively superior to a standard car in a direct comparison because the exterior is comprised of painted on textures for wheel wells, vents, doors and and windows whereas these are all fully rendered in Forza 3 and 4. And there's the matter of fact that each car in Forza 3 and 4 has an interior view which is fully rendered versus an incredibly simplistic and fake looking "interior" for open air cars or not rendered at all.

The polygon counts (objective concept!) don't lie bro.

Everyone in this thread can see the clear and present superiority of Forza 3 and 4's cars to GT5's standards except you. Just accept it dude and move on.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

So, because you don't think any other pics look as good as that one, the rest of us should just "move along"?

Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

The_Game21x

You seriously think anything you've posted up to this point is better than the pic above? Seriously? :?

Yep, I seriously do. And it's not necessarily something I've posted either.

:?.. Well it's the only photo in this entire thread that I could possibly mistaken for real life. How you can feel anything else in this thread can match up makes me, well, *shrug* and *smh*

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

You seriously think anything you've posted up to this point is better than the pic above? Seriously? :?

W1NGMAN-

Yep, I seriously do. And it's not necessarily something I've posted either.

:?.. Well it's the only photo in this entire thread that I could possibly mistaken for real life. How you can feel anything else in this thread can match up makes me, well, *shrug* and *smh*

Well it's a good thing I don't care what you think or man, I think I'd have to vacate this thread.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] You deny you're videos or pictures mean anything as well, and provide no "proof" whatsover?

So in essence, by saying there is no way I could ever be right, by the same criteria, you can never be right as well? Sounds like a way for you to escape to me, but whatever you say Killer

Nuck81

Now you're getting it!

Not a single video you've posted is objective proof of your opinion. Period. However, anyone can see that Forza 3 and 4's cars are objectively superior to a standard car in a direct comparison because the exterior is comprised of painted on textures for wheel wells, vents, doors and and windows whereas these are all fully rendered in Forza 3 and 4. And there's the matter of fact that each car in Forza 3 and 4 has an interior view which is fully rendered versus an incredibly simplistic and fake looking "interior" for open air cars or not rendered at all.

The polygon counts (objective concept!) don't lie bro.

Everyone in this thread can see the clear and present superiority of Forza 3 and 4's cars to GT5's standards except you. Just accept it dude and move on.

*sigh*

Okay, if you're still on this standard cars look better than Forza cars, fine.

Last I checked, the cockpit view is gameplay.

Show me ONE standard car that can match ANY of Forza 3 or 4's interior views.

Don't worry, I'll wait.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

You seriously think anything you've posted up to this point is better than the pic above? Seriously? :?

W1NGMAN-

Yep, I seriously do. And it's not necessarily something I've posted either.

:?.. Well it's the only photo in this entire thread that I could possibly mistaken for real life. How you can feel anything else in this thread can match up makes me, well, *shrug* and *smh*

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Yep, I seriously do. And it's not necessarily something I've posted either.

The_Game21x

:?.. Well it's the only photo in this entire thread that I could possibly mistaken for real life. How you can feel anything else in this thread can match up makes me, well, *shrug* and *smh*

Well it's a good thing I don't care what you think or man, I think I'd have to vacate this thread.

:(

Well have fun continuing this pointless debate, the gym and DFAC are calling my name :)