Does Forza 4 produce the most realistic car photos in a game? [not for 56k]

GT5 Standard Same Car

LOL. DAMAGE CONTROL POST!! They are practically the same distance. One is from the left the other is the right. The Forza 3 model lacks the lighting, the grill detail, the logo detail, The fog light detail, the road and sign reflections, and the headlamp detail that the GT5 standard does. You said NO GT5 standard car looks better than Forza 3 and yet here before within a minute is picture proof otherwise. Sorry, but you're wrong again!! Instead of spouting nonsense off the top of your head, try using photographic, and video evidence to prove your statements. It's a lot more credible...

Nuck81

*sigh*

Okay, I've gone and tken some pictures of the Clio myself in Forza 3 on Suzuka. If you don't see the obvious and significant differences after this, I'm done, because you'll officially be too blind and borderline...never mind, let's just get to the images.

Notice the detail around the fog lamps? Notice the actual lines around the fog lamps that show that it's not merely a texture and is actually being rendered by the console in real time? Notice the reflection on the headlights that actually shows that there's some depth to the light itself and there's something behind it? Like...oh I don't know...AN ACTUAL LIGHT? Notice that it's not just a painted on texture? Notice that the rear vent along the door is an actual vent in Forza and not a black smudge like it is in GT5?

Notice the refelections here? The only reason you couldn't see them as well on the car you posted (because they were there, you were just too blind to see them) is because the shutter speed was high.

Notice the outline of the door and windows actually have some depth to them because they're actually rendered and not just painted on textures? Notice how you can see the brake rotors behind the rims? Notice how you can not only see the driver but see the reflection of light on his helmet as well as the actual interior?

And that's the difference maker. Unlike GT5's standards (well, the majority of them anyway) Forza 3 and 4's cars ALL HAVE FULLY RENDERED INTERIORS. Even IF GT5's standard cars had the same level of exterior detail (and they clearly don't as anyone with working eyes can tell you), Forza's cars AUTOMATICALLY look better because the interior is ACTUALLY RENDERED.

If you don't get this at this point, there's no hope for you. I've said all I can say. If you want to keep deluding yourself into thinking that GT5's standard cars look anywhere near as good as any of Forza 3 and 4's cars, you go right ahead.

The_Game21x

This looks absolutely horrendous. First off, the shading of the car disagrees with the environment. The reflections don't blend with the base (as if there are no layers and it's made of plastic). The reflections should be giving off different hues instead of a monochromatic overlay. The reflections tell me that this is one solid material instead of layers of paint. That's why it looks like polished plastic instead of a real paint job.

Let me show you what reflections should look like:

This looks absolutely horrendous. First off, the shading of the car disagrees with the environment. The reflections don't blend with the base (as if there are no layers and it's made of plastic). The reflections should be giving off different hues instead of a monochromatic overlay. The reflections tell me that this is one solid material instead of layers of paint. That's why it looks like polished plastic instead of a real paint job.

Let me show you what reflections should look like.

Rikusaki

How about showing me a picture from a similar setting and not two completely different ones okay sweetums? :wink:

More GT5...

Detail alone does not equate to photorealism. You need proper lighting, shading and accurate materials.

Absolutely not. Forza 4 graphics are pretty damn mediocre in game.

Its up there with GT5 as bullshot king though, I guess.

If you don't get this at this point, there's no hope for you. I've said all I can say. The_Game21x

Nissan GTR in Forza 4:

Nissan GTR in GT5:

Absolutely not. Forza 4 graphics are pretty damn mediocre in game.

Mozelleple112

Nissan GTR in Forza 4:

Nissan GTR in GT5:

Rikusaki

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Nissan GTR in Forza 4:

Nissan GTR in GT5:

heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Nissan GTR in Forza 4:

Nissan GTR in GT5:

Rikusaki

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

Absolutely not. Forza 4 graphics are pretty damn mediocre in game.

heretrix

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

Absolutely not. Forza 4 graphics are pretty damn mediocre in game.

Mozelleple112

And WTF has that got to do with making Forza look mediocre? Yes, The Dirt series look goddamn amazing but that doesn't have s**t to do with how Forza 4 looks. You didn't say that Forza 4 looked mediorcre compared to a game that is run on a videocard with superior technology.You just said it looks mediocre and it doesn't. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Like I said, you are full of crap. That argument is fu**ing moronic.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Seriously dude, you are full of crap.This doesn't even go into "it's my opinion" territory it's just utter unfiltered BS.

heretrix

And WTF has that got to do with making Forza look mediocre? Yes, The Dirt series look goddamn amazing but that doesn't have s**t to do with how Forza 4 looks. You didn't say that Forza 4 looked mediorcre compared to a game that is run on a videocard with superior technology.You just said it looks mediocre and it doesn't. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Like I said, you are full of crap. That argument is fu**ing moronic.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] No sorry, you are full of crap. Forza 4 looks mediocre. you've obviously never played Dirt 2 in Dx11, LET ALONE Dirt 3. Mozelleple112

And WTF has that got to do with making Forza look mediocre? Yes, The Dirt series look goddamn amazing but that doesn't have s**t to do with how Forza 4 looks. You didn't say that Forza 4 looked mediorcre compared to a game that is run on a videocard with superior technology.You just said it looks mediocre and it doesn't. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Like I said, you are full of crap. That argument is fu**ing moronic.

You tell me how comparing a DX11 PC game to a console game isn't anything but moronic? Wait, you know what, how about you don't. You are trying to make an argument where there is none. I KNOW Dirt 2/3 looks better, just as much as I know you are an idiot for trying to compare it to a console game.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="heretrix"]Your right, because Dirt 2 was never on sale at least 20 times last year. So it is impossible to own.Oh WAIT-I OWN Dirt 2 genius, and I have a DX 11 video card with a pretty decent system to run it on, so i guess it isn't so obvious, is it?

And WTF has that got to do with making Forza look mediocre? Yes, The Dirt series look goddamn amazing but that doesn't have s**t to do with how Forza 4 looks. You didn't say that Forza 4 looked mediorcre compared to a game that is run on a videocard with superior technology.You just said it looks mediocre and it doesn't. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Like I said, you are full of crap. That argument is fu**ing moronic.

heretrix

You tell me how comparing a DX11 PC game to a console game isn't anything but moronic? Wait, you know what, how about you don't. You are trying to make an argument where there is none. I KNOW Dirt 2/3 looks better, just as much as I know you are an idiot for trying to compare it to a console game.

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[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] Wow, seems like I struck a nerve. You better post some Forza 4 bullshots to convince me other wise. Forza 4 looks about as good as Gran Turismo 5 --- garbage.Mozelleple112

You tell me how comparing a DX11 PC game to a console game isn't anything but moronic? Wait, you know what, how about you don't. You are trying to make an argument where there is none. I KNOW Dirt 2/3 looks better, just as much as I know you are an idiot for trying to compare it to a console game.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]If you don't get this at this point, there's no hope for you. I've said all I can say. Nuck81

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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]If you don't get this at this point, there's no hope for you. I've said all I can say. The_Game21x

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Nuck81"] Then I guess here we are, you acting desperate. me acting bored...

Nuck81

Except that you haven't proven anything other than the fact that you are apparently blind to what's being shoved right in your face. Forza 3's cars have better detail (by default since they actually render all of the interiors). Period. This isn't even up for debate. If you actually look at the cars, you can see the HUGE differences in detail between the two. There is not a single standard car in GT5 that can compete with any of Forza 3's cars, let alone ALMOST compete with Forza 4's. Like I said, you can't be helped. You are obviously being blinded by your GT fanboyism and cannot see what is right in front of you. But whatever. Sometimes, you just have to let people continue to delude themselves.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"] Desperate? Meh, call it whatever you want. Anyone can see that everything I said is correct. And clearly, since you have no actual rebuttal, you've realized it too. ;)The_Game21x

Except that you haven't proven anything other than the fact that you are apparently blind to what's being shoved right in your face. Forza 3's cars have better detail (by default since they actually render all of the interiors). Period. This isn't even up for debate. If you actually look at the cars, you can see the HUGE differences in detail between the two. There is not a single standard car in GT5 that can compete with any of Forza 3's cars, let alone ALMOST compete with Forza 4's. Like I said, you can't be helped. You are obviously being blinded by your GT fanboyism and cannot see what is right in front of you. But whatever. Sometimes, you just have to let people continue to delude themselves.

I beat you with a generic Hatchback GT5 Standard!!! LOL, and yet you desperately clinging for life by talking about the only thing you can Interiors!!! LOL

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] I've proved plenty. I proved with my own pics that GT5 Standard cars look almost as good as Forza 4 and BETTER than Forza 3. So I guess since Standard cars are only suited for PS2 and they look BETTER than Forza 3 than Forza 3 looks like a PS2 game? I did that using nothing but GT5 STANDARDS. If I used the Premiums you'd have been run out of the thread. But that would have been too easy, it's boring enough making Forza fanboys look desperate using GT5 STANDARDS...Nuck81

Except that you haven't proven anything other than the fact that you are apparently blind to what's being shoved right in your face. Forza 3's cars have better detail (by default since they actually render all of the interiors). Period. This isn't even up for debate. If you actually look at the cars, you can see the HUGE differences in detail between the two. There is not a single standard car in GT5 that can compete with any of Forza 3's cars, let alone ALMOST compete with Forza 4's. Like I said, you can't be helped. You are obviously being blinded by your GT fanboyism and cannot see what is right in front of you. But whatever. Sometimes, you just have to let people continue to delude themselves.

I beat you with a generic Hatchback GT5 Standard!!! LOL, and yet you desperately clinging for life by talking about the only thing you can Interiors!!! LOL

you sir redefine stupid.

GT5 standards cars do not look as good as FM4 models.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] I've proved plenty. I proved with my own pics that GT5 Standard cars look almost as good as Forza 4 and BETTER than Forza 3. So I guess since Standard cars are only suited for PS2 and they look BETTER than Forza 3 than Forza 3 looks like a PS2 game? I did that using nothing but GT5 STANDARDS. If I used the Premiums you'd have been run out of the thread. But that would have been too easy, it's boring enough making Forza fanboys look desperate using GT5 STANDARDS...Nuck81

Except that you haven't proven anything other than the fact that you are apparently blind to what's being shoved right in your face. Forza 3's cars have better detail (by default since they actually render all of the interiors). Period. This isn't even up for debate. If you actually look at the cars, you can see the HUGE differences in detail between the two. There is not a single standard car in GT5 that can compete with any of Forza 3's cars, let alone ALMOST compete with Forza 4's. Like I said, you can't be helped. You are obviously being blinded by your GT fanboyism and cannot see what is right in front of you. But whatever. Sometimes, you just have to let people continue to delude themselves.

I beat you with a generic Hatchback GT5 Standard!!! LOL, and yet you desperately clinging for life by talking about the only thing you can Interiors!!! LOL

OMG!

this is sig worthy :o

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Except that you haven't proven anything other than the fact that you are apparently blind to what's being shoved right in your face. Forza 3's cars have better detail (by default since they actually render all of the interiors). Period. This isn't even up for debate. If you actually look at the cars, you can see the HUGE differences in detail between the two. There is not a single standard car in GT5 that can compete with any of Forza 3's cars, let alone ALMOST compete with Forza 4's. Like I said, you can't be helped. You are obviously being blinded by your GT fanboyism and cannot see what is right in front of you. But whatever. Sometimes, you just have to let people continue to delude themselves.

razgriz_101

I beat you with a generic Hatchback GT5 Standard!!! LOL, and yet you desperately clinging for life by talking about the only thing you can Interiors!!! LOL

you sir redefine stupid.

GT5 standards cars do not look as good as FM4 models.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] Your entire argument is based on Interiors? During a gameplay race do you look over at the car you're overtaking and say "Hey, is that real vinyl on the seats?" The car models themselves look better on GT5 Standards than they do on Forza 3. The pics PROVE it. The only thing you retort back with is modeled interior, and you make excuses about the Standard cars that are modeled. I tried to find as Generic a car as I could The Clio to give Forza a Sporting chance the car model lost. Let alone some of the Better Standards like the Veyron, Zonda C12, Ford GT, Toyota 7 Racecar, Jag XJR9, RUF BTR, Plymouth Superbird, Subaru 22B, BMW M3 GTR, Peugot 905, Chapparall 2D, I could go on and on.The Forza 3 Veyron doesn't even have a working SPOILER!! I guess that alone makes a GT5 STANDARD car better than Forza 3! You're whole argument is LOST!!

I beat you with a generic Hatchback GT5 Standard!!! LOL, and yet you desperately clinging for life by talking about the only thing you can Interiors!!! LOL

Nuck81

you sir redefine stupid.

GT5 standards cars do not look as good as FM4 models.

You basically are saying Forza 3 looks last gen! Let me put this clear:

GT4 cars = GT5 standards + better lightning < Forza 2 cars < Forza 3 cars < Forza 4 cars = GT5 premiums.

I tried to find a comparable pic with the Veyrons Spoiler up, then I remembered the Forza 4 Veyron didn't have a moving Spoiler, something even the PSP did.

I tried to find a comparable pic with the Veyrons Spoiler up, then I remembered the Forza 4 Veyron didn't have a moving Spoiler, something even the PSP did.

Nuck81

Like i said, GT5 standard cars, are GT4 ones with GT5 lightning and reflections. They look ok at a distance and in motion, but it doesnt change the fact they are low poly models.

I tried to find a comparable pic with the Veyrons Spoiler up, then I remembered the Forza 4 Veyron didn't have a moving Spoiler, something even the PSP did.Nuck81

I love watching GT players and Forza players debate, even though I don't like either series and racing sims in general. From the point of view of someone who doesn't even play these games, I think GT5's photomode looks better based on the pictures shown here. GT5's premium cars look better than Forza cars also imo. But that guy talking about how GT5 standard cars look better than Forza cars is crazy.

Forza looks better as a game overall than GT though. The environment looks so pretty in Forza and while I think GT5 has better looking cars, Forza's cars look amazing too. However, I do notice what some people are saying when they say Forza has a "plastic" look to it. I think that is the way Turn 10 wanted it to look. It's a nice looking style and it's better than trying to copy the GT look.

You know what though? I have lurked these type of threads enough to know that both series are great. If I had the kind of passion for racing sims like some people in this thread and other threads I've read, I would be happily playing both of these franchises. Seeing this makes me wish that I appreciated these type of games, but sadly, I don't think I will ever enjoy them.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]I tried to find a comparable pic with the Veyrons Spoiler up, then I remembered the Forza 4 Veyron didn't have a moving Spoiler, something even the PSP did.Ironbash

No, he's right (for once). Forza 3 doesn't have active aero on any of the cars. Pretty lame, but whatever, it's an aesthetic thing, not something that's game changing. And Turn 10 fixed that in Forza 4 so I'm happy.

But I love how he's basing his argument for GT5's standards on active aero and then chastized me for saying Forza 3's cars are better because the interior is actually rendered. :lol: This guy cracks me up. :lol:

Here are some Dirt 3 pics i took on my $500000+$500 weekly update Pc

I'm still amazed how good ego engine looks

Yeah Dirt series is a great looker, i'd say it's about even - Forza may have the edge though. Difficult to tell without side by side.

Edit: car models

Why are people having a pissing contest over non-realtime graphics? Why not look at a picture, it's not like GT5 looks like that IN-GAME... Not to menton it's wildly inconsistent.

Oohh, GT5 has a slightly better photomode, :roll:

Why are people having a pissing contest over non-realtime graphics? Why not look at a picture, it's not like GT5 looks like that IN-GAME... Not to menton it's wildly inconsistent.

Oohh, GT5 has a slightly better photomode, :roll:

Inconsistancy

OMFG.

I think I just died..

That is the most beutiful and realistic shot i have seen

But yeah, I agree with you. Forza 4 is much better looking than GT5 in motion. The_Game21x

Forza 4 He switches to cockpit after the 1st minute. Why is Nordschlieffe so Flat, Wide, and the turns not tight enough? Arcade driving?

GT5

Bonus: This is how you model a track.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"] But yeah, I agree with you. Forza 4 is much better looking than GT5 in motion. Nuck81

Forza 4 He switches to cockpit after the 1st minute. Why is Nordschlieffe so Flat, Wide, and the turns not tight enough? Arcade driving?

GT5

Bonus: This is how you model a track.

We aren't talking about the modelling of the track....

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"] But yeah, I agree with you. Forza 4 is much better looking than GT5 in motion. kuraimen

Oh I'm sorry, Does Forza 4 have screen tearing, dropped frames and terrible alpha blending effects? No? Then I stand by my position.

Also, there's this.

You tell me which looks better and more detailed.

Realtime gameplay, no photomode BS here.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"] But yeah, I agree with you. Forza 4 is much better looking than GT5 in motion. The_Game21x

Oh I'm sorry, Does Forza 4 have screen tearing, dropped frames and terrible alpha blending effects? No? Then I stand by my position.

Also, there's this.

You tell me which looks better and more detailed.

Realtime gameplay, no photomode BS here.

HAHAHAHA You can see the blasted blade of grass textures just places over the flat photo of the ground!!! That looks horrible. The tower in the Background is aliased to hell on the Forza pic, The tarmac is bloomed to death, the Dunlop tire is not as detailed and jaggied to hell, and the Audi car model is not as detailed or looks as good!! Are you trying to sabotage yourself? Maybe a Forza Comparison to Superstars V8 Racing would be more fair? Not to mention the article you linked too, the consensus in the comments is that Gt5 looks better OVERALL!!! LOL

Nuck81

Well we've already established that you're pretty much blind so I wouldn't expect you to see the obvious superiorities in the Forza pic (more detailed tarmac, FAR better roadside detail such as the grass texture and the blades of grass sticking up to help the perception that there's actually grass on the ground and not just a muddy texture).

But again, continue deluding yourself, this is all just incredibly laughable to me. :lol:

theres a crud ton of aliasing issues on the GT5 pics aswell :S

Forza would look so much better on PC with better quality assets, better AA, and full HD. DiRT 3 wipes the floor with Forza's graphics. :]Stevo_the_gamer

Why are you claiming Forza looks better in motion and then you produce a HORRIBLE looking PICTURE to back it up LOL. If you want to see how something looks in motion doesn't it have to move?

GT5 in motion

Forza 4 in motion

I used two open cockpit cars since Forza doesn't have F1

[QUOTE="Nuck81"]

HAHAHAHA You can see the blasted blade of grass textures just places over the flat photo of the ground!!! That looks horrible. The tower in the Background is aliased to hell on the Forza pic, The tarmac is bloomed to death, the Dunlop tire is not as detailed and jaggied to hell, and the Audi car model is not as detailed or looks as good!! Are you trying to sabotage yourself? Maybe a Forza Comparison to Superstars V8 Racing would be more fair? Not to mention the article you linked too, the consensus in the comments is that Gt5 looks better OVERALL!!! LOL

The_Game21x

Well we've already established that you're pretty much blind so I wouldn't expect you to see the obvious superiorities in the Forza pic (more detailed tarmac, FAR better roadside detail such as the grass texture and the blades of grass sticking up to help the perception that there's actually grass on the ground and not just a muddy texture).

But again, continue deluding yourself, this is all just incredibly laughable to me. :lol: