Does Gamespot posses the strength to give GoW Halo:R FF13 a score below AAA...?

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#1 TheEroica  Moderator
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THIS IS NOT A GAMESPOT BASH THREAD!!!! not by a long shot. Im actually sympathizing with them. At this point we all know that FF13 wont be the mega life changing hit its hype machine wanted us to believe it would be... Its Metacritic score is below 90 and Im sure its a great game. My question is wether big review outlets like Gamespot and IGN will feel the pressure to give the game AAA status so as not to alienate a massive fanbase that may not agree with the score and thus stop visiting the website.

Personally I believe Gamespot has the stones to review it straight up. They got honest with the zelda fanbase a few years ago, right? It will be interesting to see how the review shakes out. IGN will buckle.

Oh and since im editing... it is highly possible and likely in some respect that the games are actually AAA. Final Fantasy is only mentioned because it currantly is not AAA.

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#2 Fizzman
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IGN only hands out a score lower then 9, when they have no choice. Gamespot is a wildcard.

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#3 TheEroica  Moderator
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Poo... I forgot about the sticky. consider this thread refering to all big releases with large established fanbases...

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THIS IS NOT A GAMESPOT BASH THREAD!!!! not by a long shot. Im actually sympathizing with them. At this point we all know that FF13 wont be the mega life changing hit its hype machine wanted us to believe it would be... Its Metacritic score is below 90 and Im sure its a great game. My question is wether big review outlets like Gamespot and IGN will feel the pressure to give the game AAA status so as not to alienate a massive fanbase that may not agree with the score and thus stop visiting the website.

Personally I believe Gamespot has the stones to review it straight up. They got honest with the zelda fanbase a few years ago, right? It will be interesting to see how the review shakes out. IGN will buckle.

TheEroica
Im sure they have no problem giving it below AAA, i doubt any major reviewer has, but the fact is that FFXIII deserves AAA. This game wouldnt be getting 7/10 scores if it wasnt a FF game. If it were a new IP or something people would judge it differently and would give it a 9/10 or even more. And thers a sticky for FF13 topics, so i guess this will be locked.
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What if they actually like the game enough to give it AAA status? That isn't an impossibility you know.

If they do give it AAA, is Gamespot just falling into the hype or doing it for the masses or could it possibly be that they enjoy the title?

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#6 Senor_Kami
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So if they like it and give it AAA, they don't have stones or they sold out by default? I guess...
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#7 dog_dirt
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Well they gave Zelda TP a AA so i guess so

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This game wouldnt be getting 7/10 scores if it wasnt a FF game. If it were a new IP or something people would judge it differently and would give it a 9/10 or even more. Drakes_Fortune
...That's one way to look at it... The other way is that since its a mega-hyped game that fans already claim to be a fantastic work of art, sources will feel pressure to give it a higher score ;)
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if its a crappy story then yeah. I dont understand why FF is considered the greatest RPG series to this day. I've played some better RPGs with better story and are far beyond cliche stories and horrible "I love you" dialogues

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#10 Hahadouken
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Gamespot flopped Twilight Princess, Mass Effect, Fable 2, MGS3, they docked the PS3 version of Fallout 3 by .5, they gave out three different scores for Dragon Age, and they slapped the PS3 Bayonetta with a full 1.0 difference from the 360 version... I would say they have the balls to flop anything. If those games don't deserve AAA scores, they won't get them. However, I don't think it's very likely that any of those three games will be less than AAA quality in their respective genres.
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i think they don't, because there is no way that gta 4 would have been AAAA, it was just too repetitive for that

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They did it to Twilight Princess. Anything is possible. I personally predict a 8.5/10 for GoWIII, 8.0-8.5 for FFXIII (given how poorly JRPG's have been recieved here recently) and 8.5/10 for Halo: Reach (depending on how much it changes the series).

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I don't know why, but I get the feeling that only FF13 will score only below AAA (8.5 out of 10). Both Halo and GoWIII will be AAA, probably 9.0 out of 10.

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Probably FF13 but not the other two because they're showing bigger promise than 13 anyway.
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Well they did do it to modern warfare.

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#16 Modern_Unit
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Well they did do it to modern warfare.

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Both Modern Warfares got AAA...

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#17 Chutebox  Online
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They will give the games the scores they deserve.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Well they did do it to modern warfare.

Modern_Unit

Both Modern Warfares got AAA...

Both?........

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tbh, IGN does have fare scores, like the score for Mass Effect which scored only 8.5 but at IGN scored 9.6 i think
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[QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Well they did do it to modern warfare.

Espada12

Both Modern Warfares got AAA...

Both?........

If I remember right only the PC version of MW2 scored sub-AAA
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THIS IS NOT A GAMESPOT BASH THREAD!!!! not by a long shot. Im actually sympathizing with them. At this point we all know that FF13 wont be the mega life changing hit its hype machine wanted us to believe it would be... Its Metacritic score is below 90 and Im sure its a great game. My question is wether big review outlets like Gamespot and IGN will feel the pressure to give the game AAA status so as not to alienate a massive fanbase that may not agree with the score and thus stop visiting the website.

Personally I believe Gamespot has the stones to review it straight up. They got honest with the zelda fanbase a few years ago, right? It will be interesting to see how the review shakes out. IGN will buckle.

Oh and since im editing... it is highly possible and likely in some respect that the games are actually AAA. Final Fantasy is only mentioned because it currantly is not AAA.

TheEroica

you guys honestly take scores way to seriously :P

Final Fantasy might not be AAA in the critics eyes, but it can be AAA to you, just play games and enjoy.

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tbh, IGN does have fare scores, like the score for Mass Effect which scored only 8.5 but at IGN scored 9.6 i think Wings_008
That's too much for the first one imo. So I'd have to disagree.
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Gamespot flopped Twilight Princess, Mass Effect, Fable 2, MGS3, they docked the PS3 version of Fallout 3 by .5, they gave out three different scores for Dragon Age, and they slapped the PS3 Bayonetta with a full 1.0 difference from the 360 version... I would say they have the balls to flop anything. If those games don't deserve AAA scores, they won't get them. However, I don't think it's very likely that any of those three games will be less than AAA quality in their respective genres. Hahadouken

don't forget Halo Wars.

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#24 Microdevine
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They gave Zelda:TP below AAA bc Jeff was the one who reviewed it. And I strongly believe he's one of the best at rating a game on its own merits and not its predecessors accomplishments. I don't really know if anyone else would have done that. I hope so. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

You can't judge Reach or GoW tho. The other games in their series(besides maybe ODST) were easily AAA games.

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#25 Drakes_Fortune
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People say FF gets good scores cause of the name, but its the other way around. FF13 is getting murdered case of the name. Enternal Sonata for example, its a VERY linear game, no world map, no sidequests and unoriginal characters and story and yet it got 8.5 on gamespot and 8.7 on IGN. If they are fair and judge all games the same way, FF13 is a 9+ game.
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[QUOTE="Wings_008"]tbh, IGN does have fare scores, like the score for Mass Effect which scored only 8.5 but at IGN scored 9.6 i think Chutebox
That's too much for the first one imo. So I'd have to disagree.

And not high enough for me... so yeah I have to disagree as well.

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#27 Hahadouken
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They did it to Twilight Princess. Anything is possible. I personally predict a 8.5/10 for GoWIII, 8.0-8.5 for FFXIII (given how poorly JRPG's have been recieved here recently) and 8.5/10 for Halo: Reach (depending on how much it changes the series).

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Are those real predictions, or your possible flop predictions? I would be shocked if a single one of those scores was correct. More likely, imo, God of War 3 9.0, FFXIII 9.5 and Halo Reach a 9.0... but who knows.
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#28 Hahadouken
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They gave Zelda:TP below AAA bc Jeff was the one who reviewed it. And I strongly believe he's one of the best at rating a game on its own merits and not its predecessors accomplishments. I don't really know if anyone else would have done that. I hope so. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

You can't judge Reach or GoW tho. The other games in their series(besides maybe ODST) were easily AAA games.

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Yeah Jeff G is my favorite game reviewer. He sees the things that I see in games. 20 other reviews don't mention it, then I see that Jeff saw the game the same way that I did.
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GS can do whatever they like to all those games except Halo, they can't underrate bungie, ODST got a 9, A FREAKING 9!!! Reach will not get lower than 9.5 even if the disc in the copy they received was replaced with someone's feaces.

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#30 Modern_Unit
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GS can do whatever they like to all those games except Halo, they can't underrate bungie, ODST got a 9, A FREAKING 9!!! Reach will not get lower than 9.5 even if the disc in the copy they received was replaced with someone's feaces.

Zaibach

If Halo 3 ODLC can get a 9, then Reach can get a 9.5+ easily..

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[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

GS can do whatever they like to all those games except Halo, they can't underrate bungie, ODST got a 9, A FREAKING 9!!! Reach will not get lower than 9.5 even if the disc in the copy they received was replaced with someone's feaces.

Modern_Unit

If Halo 3 ODLC can get a 9, then Reach can get a 9.5+ easily..

Hahahahah, "ODLC". That's rich, I've never heard that before. Still going to buy it. :P
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Nothing is guaranteed on Gamespot, see Mario Kart 64, LOZ: Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, MGS3, Mass Effect, and STALKER SOC as examples.
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#33 General_X
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They gave Zelda:TP below AAA bc Jeff was the one who reviewed it. And I strongly believe he's one of the best at rating a game on its own merits and not its predecessors accomplishments. I don't really know if anyone else would have done that. I hope so. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

You can't judge Reach or GoW tho. The other games in their series(besides maybe ODST) were easily AAA games.

Microdevine
IMO the TP review is evidence for the opposite of judging a game based on its on merits. Many people would argue that alone Twilight Princess is the best 3d Zelda to date, but since it is so similar to the other games in the series (especially OOT) the sense of familiarity brought the score down.
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Could it be that these games will deserve AAA score?

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Depends on how much advertising money they'll receive.

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[QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

GS can do whatever they like to all those games except Halo, they can't underrate bungie, ODST got a 9, A FREAKING 9!!! Reach will not get lower than 9.5 even if the disc in the copy they received was replaced with someone's feaces.

If Halo 3 ODLC can get a 9, then Reach can get a 9.5+ easily..

I believe it was ODST. Get your damn facts straight.
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#37 BlindfireMcgee
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Perhaps in an alternative reality, but speaking in relative terms? No.

Promoting Fable 3, Halo: Reach, or Alan Wake (the only 3 exclusives being released for the Xbox 360 this year) to anything below an AAA status is essentially suicidal.

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#38 SpiritOfFire117
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GS can do whatever they like to all those games except Halo, they can't underrate bungie, ODST got a 9, A FREAKING 9!!! Reach will not get lower than 9.5 even if the disc in the copy they received was replaced with someone's feaces.

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Who plays feaces? Don't ask. I don't even want to know. :?
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#39 rolo107
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IGN only hands out a score lower then 9, when they have no choice. Gamespot is a wildcard.

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Maybe you should pay more attention to IGN, you seem to be speaking of the bias, and perpetuated feelings here at System Wars, rather than the truth...
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If there is one game on that t that Gamespot might give a score below an 8.5 it's Final Fantasy XIII because it is not a hotly anticipated exclusive. GoW3 and Halo: Reach will definitely get 9.0's or higher, though.

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#41 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

Both Modern Warfares got AAA...

WAIW

Both?........

If I remember right only the PC version of MW2 scored sub-AAA

Yea that was what i was referring to :P

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They have their own opinion so it gives them the "strenght" to do it.

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#43 Hickamie14
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GS can do whatever they like to all those games except Halo, they can't underrate bungie, ODST got a 9, A FREAKING 9!!! Reach will not get lower than 9.5 even if the disc in the copy they received was replaced with someone's feaces.

Zaibach
ODST was a tricky game to review. If you review it solely for the new gamer who never played Halo 3, then it's a 9.0 easy, but if you review for the player who has extensively played Halo, then it definitely didn't deserve the 9.0 score that it got. But again, you don't know what perspective they were looking through when they reviewed it.
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Are those real predictions, or your possible flop predictions? I would be shocked if a single one of those scores was correct. More likely, imo, God of War 3 9.0, FFXIII 9.5 and Halo Reach a 9.0... but who knows. Hahadouken

Real predictions. I predicted a 7.5-8.0 for Dante's Inferno, while everyone else was predicting a 8.5-9.0... and it scored 6.5. I've been a lot more accurate than most people here when it comes to Gamespot scores, especially since I've been around for over 4 years and understand how Gamespot rates games.

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Why not, they will score the games what they deserve.

I predict 9.5 for FXIII.

GOW3 9.

Halo reach 9.

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#46 Basinboy
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Ever since GS adopted their new scoring system the span gets overexaggerated by we fanboys. Games that score 9.0 today would have scored anywhere from 8.7-9.4. I prefer using Metacritic to determine an all-around score since takes the best and the worst interviews and slams them together to create a numerical consensus on a game's performance. If GS does hand out a AA to one of those franchises, I would anticipate it being FF13 or possibly Halo:Reach, but seeing that they still gave ODST AAA status probably indicates it's not very likely. Still, I hate judging on pretenses that the game before was good which means the next game will be better, hell look at what DMC2 turned into from DMC. Doesn't always happen.

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I don't think GS;s aim is to go against the norm, and give a good game a score below what it deserves to make a false statement
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#48 Vari3ty
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They'll give each game the rating it deserves. If their opinion agrees with the majority of users hereis yet to be seen.

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[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]Are those real predictions, or your possible flop predictions? I would be shocked if a single one of those scores was correct. More likely, imo, God of War 3 9.0, FFXIII 9.5 and Halo Reach a 9.0... but who knows. foxhound_fox


Real predictions. I predicted a 7.5-8.0 for Dante's Inferno, while everyone else was predicting a 8.5-9.0... and it scored 6.5. I've been a lot more accurate than most people here when it comes to Gamespot scores, especially since I've been around for over 4 years and understand how Gamespot rates games.

Did you predict TPs flop :P

BTW which proves any game can flop on GS.

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#50 themyth01
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FF13, the game will probably be one of the best RPG and one of the most ambitious games of this gen. I think you meant the anti-hype machine. The negative feedback from certain fanboys who consider SE a traitor have shifted overall opinion for the game and unsurprisingly enough, it may not get AAA because certain websites appear to want to appease the most fanbo... I mean gamers.