Does Gamespot posses the strength to give GoW Halo:R FF13 a score below AAA...?

Well, they did it to Twilight Princess, and they only gave ME2 a nine, gave 3 different scores for DA:O which was a fail.Mythomniac

Yeah, it's fail for a noticably inferior version to score lower than a superior one, which is itself inferior to another version.:roll:

Yeah, it's fail for a noticably inferior version to score lower than a superior one, which is itself inferior to another version.:roll:

789shadow

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Yeah, it's fail for a noticably inferior version to score lower than a superior one, which is itself inferior to another version.:roll:

Stevo_the_gamer

Oh, I'd loooooove to hear this...:roll:

Oh, I'd loooooove to hear this...:roll:

789shadow

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Yeah, it's fail for a noticably inferior version to score lower than a superior one, which is itself inferior to another version.:roll:

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="789shadow"]Oh, I'd loooooove to hear this...:roll:

Stevo_the_gamer

With technical inferiority?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Yeah, it's fail for a noticably inferior version to score lower than a superior one, which is itself inferior to another version.:roll:

789shadow

Oh, I'd loooooove to hear this...:roll:

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]It's only fail when the logic and reasoning based on such is "fail". Three seperate scores was, yes, fail.

Gambler_3

Oh, I'd loooooove to hear this...:roll:

So GS should just be a slave to Metacritic?

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Oh, I'd loooooove to hear this...:roll:

789shadow

So GS should just be a slave to Metacritic?

But are you saying gamespot cant be wrong?:|

With technical inferiority?

789shadow

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]The PS3 and 360 version have the same score at metacritic...

Gambler_3

So GS should just be a slave to Metacritic?

But are you saying gamespot cant be wrong?:|

When reviews are just opinions, no one can be wrong.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]With technical inferiority?

Stevo_the_gamer

Well, guess what. Lens of Truth is not GS. GS handed out a score based on their own time with the game, not someone else's.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]With technical inferiority?

Stevo_the_gamer

When reviews are just opinions, no one can be wrong.

789shadow

From Gamespot's review fact:

"Wait, reviews are just opinions. Right?"

Actually, we don't think so.

Well, guess what. Lens of Truth is not GS. GS handed out a score based on their own time with the game, not someone else's.

789shadow

We give high-profile games lower-than-expected scores all the time. What do you think generates the most hate? It's actually an impossible situation. If I give a highly anticipated sequel a high score, I get bombarded with "you were paid off." If I give it a lower score, it's because I "didn't get it," or "I wasn't good at it," or "I am a fat gay freak." OK, that last thing might be true, but I don't want to hear about it!

We'll give it exactly what we believe it deserves. We've never been afraid of giving a lower score to a high-profile game. (If you don't believe me, check the comments on the Aliens Vs. Predator video review, or the ones on the Dante's Inferno video review, or on the Metroid Prime 3 review. See comments about FEAR 2 and Riddick: Dark Athena.)

I've got the balls to say exactly what I think. Shouldn't that be evident by now? ;)

Kevin-V

[QUOTE="Kevin-V"][QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]I could see certain Gamespot reviewers giving Reach below 9.0 no matter the average.jalexbrown

The thing about Halo, God of War, and Final Fantasy is that the games in those series have generally BEEN good. So it's quite possible that all of them could be quality titles that deserve a good score. Some people may think that GS is "biased" when games like this score well, but simply look at other review sites and you'll see that those titles typically do well over and over again. If any of the above games really blow, I'm sure GS will tell it like it is. If they don't, then don't be shocked at good scores.

So I don't see the problem here.SilverChimera

When GTAIV & MGSIV scored 10 here.... it was obvious that "pro" reviewers are not immune to getting caught up in the hype. Both of those games have flaws, and should have been docked points accordingly. 9.9 should be the highest attainable score, simply because its not possible to create a perfect game.

PS. Don't give me that 10 doesnt mean perfect, it's Prime! CRAP, that's a lie people tell themselves to justify a score the game doesn't deserve.

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]So I don't see the problem here.Stevo_the_gamer

Depends on the person. You now fail.

When GTAIV & MGSIV scored 10 here.... it was obvious that "pro" reviewers are not immune to getting caught up in the hype. Both of those games have flaws, and should have been docked points accordingly. 9.9 should be the highest attainable score, simply because its not possible to create a perfect game.

PS. Don't give me that 10 doesnt mean perfect, it's Prime! CRAP, that's a lie people tell themselves to justify a score the game doesn't deserve.

moistsandwich

It's what it says under the score, so that's what it is. You complaining won't change that.

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]So I don't see the problem here.Stevo_the_gamer

Depends. I'd take

• 25fps & good graphics

over

• 30fps & bad graphics

I haven't played the console versions (I have it on PC), but judging from the review, the ps3 version is superior to the 360 version. I don't see how this is a problem but not the Fallout 3 scores aren't.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"]So I don't see the problem here.SilverChimera

Depends. I'd take

• 25fps & good graphics

over

• 30fps & bad graphics

I haven't played the console versions (I have it on PC), but judging from the review, the ps3 version is superior to the 360 version. I don't see how this is a problem but not the Fallout 3 scores aren't.

Good graphics? Please. Are you sure you're talking about Dragon Age here? The console versions arn't known for having good graphics regardless, hell, even the PC version isn't good in regards to graphics. All three versions look bad -- the Xbox 360 only has minor differences equated to draw distance and anisotropic filtering. And you're telling me that deserves losing AAA status when it performs better?

Fallout 3 on PS3 had plenty of things wrong with it. No trophy support, graphical quirks and glitches not found on PC or Xbox 360, noticably inferior loading times, draw distance, lower res textures, sound issues, ect. The list goes on and on.

We're talking about exceedingly minor differences in regads to Dragon Age, and it should have evened out considering the Xbox 360 version has better performance considering just how important performance is.

FF13 has a chance, as for the others, nope.

Good graphics? Please. Are you sure you're talking about Dragon Age here? The console versions arn't known for having good graphics regardless, hell, even the PC version isn't good in regards to graphics. All three versions look bad -- the Xbox 360 only has minor differences equated to draw distance and anisotropic filtering. And you're telling me that deserves losing AAA status when it performs better?

Stevo_the_gamer

I meant 'good' in a relative way. The PS3 version looks quite noticeably better than the 360 version. End of story.

Fallout 3 on PS3 had plenty of things wrong with it. No trophy support, graphical quirks and glitches not found on PC or Xbox 360, noticably inferior loading times, draw distance, lower res textures, sound issues, ect. The list goes on and on.

Stevo_the_gamer

Dragon Age has lower res textures and longer load times on 360... :|

We're talking about exceedingly minor differences in regads to Dragon Age, and it should have evened out considering the Xbox 360 version has better performance considering just how important performance is.

Stevo_the_gamer

You make it seem like the graphical difference is so miniscule while the difference in performance is the difference between Bayonetta on PS3 and 360.

FF13 has a chance, as for the others, nope.

mitu123

I meant 'good' in a relative way. The PS3 version looks quite noticeably better than the 360 version. End of story.

Dragon Age has lower res textures and longer load times on 360... :|

You make it seem like the graphical difference is so miniscule while the difference in performance is the difference between Bayonetta on PS3 and 360.

SilverChimera

Also: The Game Still Looks Bad Regardless Which Version You Play.

And the game performs noticeably better than the PS3 version. Performance. The most important aspect, visuals do not interfere with a user's experience in a game, and your average gamer won't pay much attention nor care about slightly inferior filtering and draw distance -- or loading times only a mere few seconds longer. In which, pratically evens out considering there's a forced install for the PS3 version and Xbox 360 owners do not have to wait for such.

Having a game perform consistently at 30FPS is much better than having a game perform at times below 20FPS. So yes, that's a large difference.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Kevin-V"] We don't care about the average score. What other outlets give the game is irrelevant. If you see a score it's because it's what the reviewer strongly believes is the right one. I know that's shocking and all!killab2oo5

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] I know. Why is it so hard for people to believe that you guys writing reviews still have integrity?Kevin-V

When GTAIV & MGSIV scored 10 here.... it was obvious that "pro" reviewers are not immune to getting caught up in the hype. Both of those games have flaws, and should have been docked points accordingly. 9.9 should be the highest attainable score, simply because its not possible to create a perfect game.

PS. Don't give me that 10 doesnt mean perfect, it's Prime! CRAP, that's a lie people tell themselves to justify a score the game doesn't deserve.

moistsandwich

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

When GTAIV & MGSIV scored 10 here.... it was obvious that "pro" reviewers are not immune to getting caught up in the hype. Both of those games have flaws, and should have been docked points accordingly. 9.9 should be the highest attainable score, simply because its not possible to create a perfect game.

PS. Don't give me that 10 doesnt mean perfect, it's Prime! CRAP, that's a lie people tell themselves to justify a score the game doesn't deserve.

Kevin-V

[QUOTE="Kevin-V"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"]Google "Gamespot Kane and Lynch" for your answer. So trust worthy they are though, right?!

Zero5000X

[QUOTE="Kevin-V"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"]Google "Gamespot Kane and Lynch" for your answer. So trust worthy they are though, right?!

Zero5000X

As I said MW2 got pwned with the AAA on PC. I just want to see the heavy rain review, which ever way it goes SW will explode! hurry up Kevin-V!! :P

[QUOTE="Kevin-V"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

When GTAIV & MGSIV scored 10 here.... it was obvious that "pro" reviewers are not immune to getting caught up in the hype. Both of those games have flaws, and should have been docked points accordingly. 9.9 should be the highest attainable score, simply because its not possible to create a perfect game.

PS. Don't give me that 10 doesnt mean perfect, it's Prime! CRAP, that's a lie people tell themselves to justify a score the game doesn't deserve.

SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

When GTAIV & MGSIV scored 10 here.... it was obvious that "pro" reviewers are not immune to getting caught up in the hype. Both of those games have flaws, and should have been docked points accordingly. 9.9 should be the highest attainable score, simply because its not possible to create a perfect game.

PS. Don't give me that 10 doesnt mean perfect, it's Prime! CRAP, that's a lie people tell themselves to justify a score the game doesn't deserve.

Kevin-V

You've spent too much time in System Wars my friend... your logic neurons are shutting down. No it doesn't mean 9.9 becomes 10, that is impossible. 9.9 out of 10 can only ever be 9.9/10....

Humans are flawed, yet we strive to improve ourselves... will we ever be perfect? NOPE.... does that mean we should lower our expectations and just accept ourselves the way we are, not trying to improve ourselves? People that think like this are the problem with society, they accept their reality rather than trying to change it for the better.

This is essentially what you are saying with your 9.9 becomes the new 10 nonsense.

Is it so difficult to understand that 10/10 = 100% = perfection... and since humans aren't perfect, nothing we make is perfect.... Now if you can honestly say that there exists a perfect piece of software, with absolutely no flaws... then I will concede that, that deserves a 10/10.

[QUOTE="Kevin-V"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

When GTAIV & MGSIV scored 10 here.... it was obvious that "pro" reviewers are not immune to getting caught up in the hype. Both of those games have flaws, and should have been docked points accordingly. 9.9 should be the highest attainable score, simply because its not possible to create a perfect game.

PS. Don't give me that 10 doesnt mean perfect, it's Prime! CRAP, that's a lie people tell themselves to justify a score the game doesn't deserve.

moistsandwich

You've spent too much time in System Wars my friend... your logic neurons are shutting down. No it doesn't mean 9.9 becomes 10, that is impossible. 9.9 out of 10 can only ever be 9.9/10....

Humans are flawed, yet we strive to improve ourselves... will we ever be perfect? NOPE.... does that mean we should lower our expectations and just accept ourselves the way we are, not trying to improve ourselves? People that think like this are the problem with society, they accept their reality rather than trying to change it for the better.

This is essentially what you are saying with your 9.9 becomes the new 10 nonsense.

Is it so difficult to understand that 10/10 = 100% = perfection... and since humans aren't perfect, nothing we make is perfect.... Now if you can honestly say that there exists a perfect piece of software, with absolutely no flaws... then I will concede that, that deserves a 10/10.

I have a feeling gamespot will give FFXIII an AA score, but GoW and Reach are both probably AAA worthy.

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

[QUOTE="Kevin-V"] That's a silly notion, though. If we followed your points, the highest score would actually be a 9.9. But then if 9.9 is the highest score, isn't that the new 10? And then 9.8 becomes the highest score. And so on, and so forth. Perhaps no game can be perfect, but if perfection is unattainable, then a 10 should not represent perfection. And therefore, I do not believe a 10 should be unattainable. We have a scale. If a 10 is unattainable, what's the point of having it there? I can't speak for GTAIV, but I believe MGS4 is the best game of the last five years, and per our reviews scale, I do not believe it could have improved in a meaningful way. I don't ask everyone to agree, but I do believe in that 10, with every bit of my being. Just as I believe in the two 1.5's I've given!Skittles_McGee

You've spent too much time in System Wars my friend... your logic neurons are shutting down. No it doesn't mean 9.9 becomes 10, that is impossible. 9.9 out of 10 can only ever be 9.9/10....

Humans are flawed, yet we strive to improve ourselves... will we ever be perfect? NOPE.... does that mean we should lower our expectations and just accept ourselves the way we are, not trying to improve ourselves? People that think like this are the problem with society, they accept their reality rather than trying to change it for the better.

This is essentially what you are saying with your 9.9 becomes the new 10 nonsense.

Is it so difficult to understand that 10/10 = 100% = perfection... and since humans aren't perfect, nothing we make is perfect.... Now if you can honestly say that there exists a perfect piece of software, with absolutely no flaws... then I will concede that, that deserves a 10/10.

9.9 = 10 ? yeah he does misunderstand it.... I have math / logic on my side, he has his opinion.

and LOL at he notion that because he works for Gamespot *gasp*, he must always be correct....

Do you take whatever anyone says are FACT, just because they are paid to do it. I guess with that way of thinking, doctors are never wrong.

[QUOTE="Kevin-V"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

When GTAIV & MGSIV scored 10 here.... it was obvious that "pro" reviewers are not immune to getting caught up in the hype. Both of those games have flaws, and should have been docked points accordingly. 9.9 should be the highest attainable score, simply because its not possible to create a perfect game.

PS. Don't give me that 10 doesnt mean perfect, it's Prime! CRAP, that's a lie people tell themselves to justify a score the game doesn't deserve.

moistsandwich

You've spent too much time in System Wars my friend... your logic neurons are shutting down. No it doesn't mean 9.9 becomes 10, that is impossible. 9.9 out of 10 can only ever be 9.9/10....

Humans are flawed, yet we strive to improve ourselves... will we ever be perfect? NOPE.... does that mean we should lower our expectations and just accept ourselves the way we are, not trying to improve ourselves? People that think like this are the problem with society, they accept their reality rather than trying to change it for the better.

This is essentially what you are saying with your 9.9 becomes the new 10 nonsense.

Is it so difficult to understand that 10/10 = 100% = perfection... and since humans aren't perfect, nothing we make is perfect.... Now if you can honestly say that there exists a perfect piece of software, with absolutely no flaws... then I will concede that, that deserves a 10/10.

This is a bunch of silly nihilism. You're basically saying a 10 score shouldn't exist. That's stupid. Yes, nothing's perfect, but that doesn't mean that a grading scale on a freaking video game site has to reflect that. Yes, 10 can mean "prime" and its a perfectly acceptable symbol for whatever they mean by "prime". You're overthinking this to the point of bringing up a totally inappropriate "this is what's wrong with society" angle.

Flopping one of those games would generate more traffic wouldn't it? I mean if you actually buy into the conspiracy that people who review games give a damn what the fanboy masses think or say.