Does Gamespot posses the strength to give GoW Halo:R FF13 a score below AAA...?

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

You've spent too much time in System Wars my friend... your logic neurons are shutting down. No it doesn't mean 9.9 becomes 10, that is impossible. 9.9 out of 10 can only ever be 9.9/10....

Humans are flawed, yet we strive to improve ourselves... will we ever be perfect? NOPE.... does that mean we should lower our expectations and just accept ourselves the way we are, not trying to improve ourselves? People that think like this are the problem with society, they accept their reality rather than trying to change it for the better.

This is essentially what you are saying with your 9.9 becomes the new 10 nonsense.

Is it so difficult to understand that 10/10 = 100% = perfection... and since humans aren't perfect, nothing we make is perfect.... Now if you can honestly say that there exists a perfect piece of software, with absolutely no flaws... then I will concede that, that deserves a 10/10.

moistsandwich

9.9 = 10 ? yeah he does misunderstand it.... I have math / logic on my side, he has his opinion.

and LOL at he notion that because he works for Gamespot *gasp*, he must always be correct....

Do you take whatever anyone says are FACT, just because they are paid to do it. I guess with that way of thinking, doctors are never wrong.

The "10" simply represents the symbol they choose to attribute to "prime" games. You have nothing on your side but your opinion of how their grading scale should work. By your logic, no game should ever get a ten. That is nihilistic nonsense.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

You've spent too much time in System Wars my friend... your logic neurons are shutting down. No it doesn't mean 9.9 becomes 10, that is impossible. 9.9 out of 10 can only ever be 9.9/10....

Humans are flawed, yet we strive to improve ourselves... will we ever be perfect? NOPE.... does that mean we should lower our expectations and just accept ourselves the way we are, not trying to improve ourselves? People that think like this are the problem with society, they accept their reality rather than trying to change it for the better.

This is essentially what you are saying with your 9.9 becomes the new 10 nonsense.

Is it so difficult to understand that 10/10 = 100% = perfection... and since humans aren't perfect, nothing we make is perfect.... Now if you can honestly say that there exists a perfect piece of software, with absolutely no flaws... then I will concede that, that deserves a 10/10.

moistsandwich

9.9 = 10 ? yeah he does misunderstand it.... I have math / logic on my side, he has his opinion.

and LOL at he notion that because he works for Gamespot *gasp*, he must always be correct....

Do you take whatever anyone says are FACT, just because they are paid to do it. I guess with that way of thinking, doctors are never wrong.

if you ask me, i take a 10/10 as not being perfect, but being "the best game in the genre compared to others at this moment in time". just because it ratios out to 100% doesnt mean you have to take it literal.mtradr43

it's simple basic math.... there is no room for interpretation.... 10/10 will always = 100%

nothing anyone says will ever change that. You can think its not true all you like.... for example you can believe that 2+2 = 5 as much as you like... and even if you get the rest of the world to agree with you... you are still WRONG!

Is it so difficult to understand that 10/10 = 100% = perfection... and since humans aren't perfect, nothing we make is perfect.... Now if you can honestly say that there exists a perfect piece of software, with absolutely no flaws... then I will concede that, that deserves a 10/10.moistsandwich

[QUOTE="mtradr43"]if you ask me, i take a 10/10 as not being perfect, but being "the best game in the genre compared to others at this moment in time". just because it ratios out to 100% doesnt mean you have to take it literal.moistsandwich

it's simple basic math.... there is no room for interpretation.... 10/10 will always = 100%

nothing anyone says will ever change that. You can think its not true all you like.... for example you can believe that 2+2 = 5 as much as you like... and even if you get the rest of the world to agree with you... you are still WRONG!

It's their scale. They choose what symbols represent what. Your equations are irrelevant.

Yeah what would a Gamespot reviewer know about the scoring system he uses for his career. Clearly he misunderstands it.Skittles_McGee

OT: Awesome sig is awesome.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

You've spent too much time in System Wars my friend... your logic neurons are shutting down. No it doesn't mean 9.9 becomes 10, that is impossible. 9.9 out of 10 can only ever be 9.9/10....

Humans are flawed, yet we strive to improve ourselves... will we ever be perfect? NOPE.... does that mean we should lower our expectations and just accept ourselves the way we are, not trying to improve ourselves? People that think like this are the problem with society, they accept their reality rather than trying to change it for the better.

This is essentially what you are saying with your 9.9 becomes the new 10 nonsense.

Is it so difficult to understand that 10/10 = 100% = perfection... and since humans aren't perfect, nothing we make is perfect.... Now if you can honestly say that there exists a perfect piece of software, with absolutely no flaws... then I will concede that, that deserves a 10/10.

moistsandwich

9.9 = 10 ? yeah he does misunderstand it.... I have math / logic on my side, he has his opinion.

and LOL at he notion that because he works for Gamespot *gasp*, he must always be correct....

Do you take whatever anyone says are FACT, just because they are paid to do it. I guess with that way of thinking, doctors are never wrong.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Yeah what would a Gamespot reviewer know about the scoring system he uses for his career. Clearly he misunderstands it.SilverChimera

OT: Awesome sig is awesome.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Yeah what would a Gamespot reviewer know about the scoring system he uses for his career. Clearly he misunderstands it.SilverChimera

OT: Awesome sig is awesome.

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Yeah what would a Gamespot reviewer know about the scoring system he uses for his career. Clearly he misunderstands it.jg4xchamp

OT: Awesome sig is awesome.

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Yeah what would a Gamespot reviewer know about the scoring system he uses for his career. Clearly he misunderstands it.jg4xchamp

OT: Awesome sig is awesome.

Alicia Keys>Fang & Lightning

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"]

OT: Awesome sig is awesome.

GreySeal9

Alicia Keys>Fang & Lightning

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"]

OT: Awesome sig is awesome.

Skittles_McGee

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Yeah what would a Gamespot reviewer know about the scoring system he uses for his career. Clearly he misunderstands it.jg4xchamp

OT: Awesome sig is awesome.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"]

OT: Awesome sig is awesome.

SilverChimera

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Fang>Lightningjg4xchamp

9.9 = 10 ? yeah he does misunderstand it.... I have math / logic on my side, he has his opinion.

and LOL at he notion that because he works for Gamespot *gasp*, he must always be correct....

Do you take whatever anyone says are FACT, just because they are paid to do it. I guess with that way of thinking, doctors are never wrong.

moistsandwich

I saw a man in need of guidance. I saw it as my duty, to help my fellow man see the light....or in this case run away from the light -_-jg4xchamp

:lol:

Look up the trailers for the game on Youtube. Her voice was... erm... not quite as feminine as I was expecting.Skittles_McGee

There is no hope for you people..... please continue to live on in your own universe of flawed logic. If you can't understand that 10/10 = 100%, then I suggest you get off your computer and go back to grade school.

Typical I suppose, considering the general region of people that populate these forums... when presented with cold hard facts/logic... just scream louder and louder claiming its wrong, will somehow make you right.

moistsandwich

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]Is it so difficult to understand that 10/10 = 100% = perfection... and since humans aren't perfect, nothing we make is perfect.... Now if you can honestly say that there exists a perfect piece of software, with absolutely no flaws... then I will concede that, that deserves a 10/10.Kevin-V

You admit that you don't understand it, and then claim it's irrelevant. How can you claim what is or isn't relevant, when you admittedly don't understand it?

*sigh*Anyways, I'm just going to drop it... I see my effort here is for naught. People will believe what they want, regardless of its validity. History has shown us this time and time again.

[QUOTE="Kevin-V"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]Is it so difficult to understand that 10/10 = 100% = perfection... and since humans aren't perfect, nothing we make is perfect.... Now if you can honestly say that there exists a perfect piece of software, with absolutely no flaws... then I will concede that, that deserves a 10/10.moistsandwich

You admit that you don't understand it, and then claim it's irrelevant. How can you claim what is or isn't relevant, when you admittedly don't understand it?

*sigh*Anyways, I'm just going to drop it... I see my effort here is for naught. People will believe what they want, regardless of its validity. History has shown us this time and time again.

He didn't say he didn't understand. He said in a polite way that yo comment didn't make a lick of sense and was irrelevant, which it was.

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

There is no hope for you people..... please continue to live on in your own universe of flawed logic. If you can't understand that 10/10 = 100%, then I suggest you get off your computer and go back to grade school.

Typical I suppose, considering the general region of people that populate these forums... when presented with cold hard facts/logic... just scream louder and louder claiming its wrong, will somehow make you right.

Skittles_McGee

LOL... so you think 10/10 is a variable? Something that can be interpreted as something other than 100%? LOL.... omg, you people... all i can do is shake my head and laugh.good-day sir... and goodluck in life.

LOL... so you think 10/10 is a variable? Something that can be interpreted as something other than 100%? LOL.... omg, you people... all i can do is shake my head and laugh.good-day sir... and goodluck in life.

moistsandwich

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

There is no hope for you people..... please continue to live on in your own universe of flawed logic. If you can't understand that 10/10 = 100%, then I suggest you get off your computer and go back to grade school.

Typical I suppose, considering the general region of people that populate these forums... when presented with cold hard facts/logic... just scream louder and louder claiming its wrong, will somehow make you right.

moistsandwich

LOL... so you think 10/10 is a variable? Something that can be interpreted as something other than 100%? LOL.... omg, you people... all i can do is shake my head and laugh.good-day sir... and goodluck in life.

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Jesus Christ. You're a freaking expert at missing the point. Too bad that's not a marketable skill.

There is no hope for you people..... please continue to live on in your own universe of flawed logic. If you can't understand that 10/10 = 100%, then I suggest you get off your computer and go back to grade school.

Typical I suppose, considering the general region of people that populate these forums... when presented with cold hard facts/logic... just scream louder and louder claiming its wrong, will somehow make you right.

moistsandwich

You are not presenting logic or cold, hard facts; you are merely trying to define our reviews scale using criteria that do not apply. Our numbers indicate a rough representation of quality, in which a 10 represents the highest quality a game can reasonably expected to have, and a 1 represents the lowest quality a game can reasonably be expected to have. In between, we use numbers to represent notions of quality, using words that have more or less the same meaning and connotation to those that understand them. For example, a 7 represents a good game, while a 2 represents a terrible one.

At GameSpot, a 10 indicates that the game could not have been improved in a meaningful way. This is a statement of quality based on the evaluation of the reviewer. It is not a true-and-false quiz at school, that can be calculated in mathematical terms in order to derive a percentage that represents the test-taker's relative success.

The fact that a scale exists doesn't mean that the scale represents mathematical absolutes. Evaluation is not mathematics, and any evaluative scale, whether it be made of numbers, stars, or letter grades, represents only that which its creator means it to represent. I assume that a publications that gives a game five stars, or an A+, is also subject to your logic, and therefore must be derided?

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

There is no hope for you people..... please continue to live on in your own universe of flawed logic. If you can't understand that 10/10 = 100%, then I suggest you get off your computer and go back to grade school.

Typical I suppose, considering the general region of people that populate these forums... when presented with cold hard facts/logic... just scream louder and louder claiming its wrong, will somehow make you right.

moistsandwich

LOL... so you think 10/10 is a variable? Something that can be interpreted as something other than 100%? LOL.... omg, you people... all i can do is shake my head and laugh.good-day sir... and goodluck in life.

Isn't logic fun? :|Skittles_McGee

:lol: Not in his case since he's being owned by it.

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

[QUOTE="Kevin-V"] With due respect, I have an understanding of what a 10 at GameSpot means. I do not have a complete understanding of what it means in your mind. Here, it means that it is as good as a game could be at the time of its release--that it could not be improved in a meaningful way. It is a rare score, as defined in our own criteria--but not an impossible one. Again, it doesn't exist for the purpose of being ignored. Just as a game can get a 1, so too can a game be a 10. So again, I state (quite clearly, and with sound mind) that a 10 should be attainable, and it is our position that it is. Your statement about improving ourselves isn't at all what I am saying, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, and isn't relevant.GreySeal9

You admit that you don't understand it, and then claim it's irrelevant. How can you claim what is or isn't relevant, when you admittedly don't understand it?

*sigh*Anyways, I'm just going to drop it... I see my effort here is for naught. People will believe what they want, regardless of its validity. History has shown us this time and time again.

He didn't say he didn't understand. He said in a polite way that yo comment didn't make a lick of sense and was irrelevant, which it was.

So now "doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me" somehow doesn't mean "I don't understand"?

Sorry I live in world of "say what you mean, and mean what you say"... where 10/10 = 100%, and where nothing is "perfect"

You live in a world of... "oh well I didn't mean it that way" and "oh its good enough", "lets give him a trophy because he did his best"... meaning your complacency to act as though something that isn't, is.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

You admit that you don't understand it, and then claim it's irrelevant. How can you claim what is or isn't relevant, when you admittedly don't understand it?

*sigh*Anyways, I'm just going to drop it... I see my effort here is for naught. People will believe what they want, regardless of its validity. History has shown us this time and time again.

moistsandwich

He didn't say he didn't understand. He said in a polite way that yo comment didn't make a lick of sense and was irrelevant, which it was.

So now "doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me" somehow doesn't mean "I don't understand"?

Sorry I live in world of "say what you mean, and mean what you say"... where 10/10 = 100%, and where nothing is "perfect"

You live in a world of... "oh well I didn't mean it that way" and "oh its good enough", "lets give him a trophy because he did his best"... meaning your complacency to act as though something that isn't, is.

"Didn't make sense to me" means that "in his opinion, what you said didn't make sense."

Is that simple enough for you?

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Since you're so stuck on mathematics, I guess I'll prove my point to you mathematically. With your immense math knowledge, surely you know what a variable is? If not, don't worry, I'll explain. A variable is a representation of something else, not always a number since one can use a variable in a logic problem. Well, assume for a moment that ratings are variables. Representative of something, not actually being what you see with your eyes. There you go. I combined math and logic, the two things you're so convinced work in your favor, and pointed out that you're incorrect. Skittles_McGee

LOL... so you think 10/10 is a variable? Something that can be interpreted as something other than 100%? LOL.... omg, you people... all i can do is shake my head and laugh.good-day sir... and goodluck in life.

Sure 10 can be a variable.... 10/10 cannot. You can pretend that it means something other than 100%, but pretending doesn't make it so.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

LOL... so you think 10/10 is a variable? Something that can be interpreted as something other than 100%? LOL.... omg, you people... all i can do is shake my head and laugh.good-day sir... and goodluck in life.

moistsandwich

Sure 10 can be a variable.... 10/10 cannot. You can pretend that it means something other than 100%, but pretending doesn't make it so.

In GS's grading scale, the symbol "10" means whatever they want it to mean. You're being WAY too literal.

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

He didn't say he didn't understand. He said in a polite way that yo comment didn't make a lick of sense and was irrelevant, which it was.

GreySeal9

So now "doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me" somehow doesn't mean "I don't understand"?

Sorry I live in world of "say what you mean, and mean what you say"... where 10/10 = 100%, and where nothing is "perfect"

You live in a world of... "oh well I didn't mean it that way" and "oh its good enough", "lets give him a trophy because he did his best"... meaning your complacency to act as though something that isn't, is.

"Didn't make sense to me" means that "in his opinion, what you said didn't make sense."

Is that simple enough for you?

wrong again.... "didn't make sense to me" means it "didn't make sense to me"..... and lol.... How can something not make sense in someone's opinion... it either makes sense or it doesn't... opinion is irrelevant.

But you are right about one thing.... it sure was "simple".

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

There is no hope for you people..... please continue to live on in your own universe of flawed logic. If you can't understand that 10/10 = 100%, then I suggest you get off your computer and go back to grade school.

Typical I suppose, considering the general region of people that populate these forums... when presented with cold hard facts/logic... just scream louder and louder claiming its wrong, will somehow make you right.

Kevin-V

You are not presenting logic or cold, hard facts; you are merely trying to define our reviews scale using criteria that do not apply. Our numbers indicate a rough representation of quality, in which a 10 represents the highest quality a game can reasonably expected to have, and a 1 represents the lowest quality a game can reasonably be expected to have. In between, we use numbers to represent notions of quality, using words that have more or less the same meaning and connotation to those that understand them. For example, a 7 represents a good game, while a 2 represents a terrible one.

At GameSpot, a 10 indicates that the game could not have been improved in a meaningful way. This is a statement of quality based on the evaluation of the reviewer. It is not a true-and-false quiz at school, that can be calculated in mathematical terms in order to derive a percentage that represents the test-taker's relative success.

The fact that a scale exists doesn't mean that the scale represents mathematical absolutes. Evaluation is not mathematics, and any evaluative scale, whether it be made of numbers, stars, or letter grades, represents only that which its creator means it to represent. I assume that a publications that gives a game five stars, or an A+, is also subject to your logic, and therefore must be derided?

Excellent post, and an excellent point; by that guy's logic, you should never get an A+ in school, because that's like saying your work could be in no way improved. If you're taking a test, that works with his logic, but what about a composition c l a s s. Nobody should get an A+ in a composition **** because you cannot write a perfect paper. Coincidentalyly, A+ also happened to be Kevin V's grade in his composition c l a s s.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

LOL... so you think 10/10 is a variable? Something that can be interpreted as something other than 100%? LOL.... omg, you people... all i can do is shake my head and laugh.good-day sir... and goodluck in life.

moistsandwich

Sure 10 can be a variable.... 10/10 cannot. You can pretend that it means something other than 100%, but pretending doesn't make it so.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

So now "doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me" somehow doesn't mean "I don't understand"?

Sorry I live in world of "say what you mean, and mean what you say"... where 10/10 = 100%, and where nothing is "perfect"

You live in a world of... "oh well I didn't mean it that way" and "oh its good enough", "lets give him a trophy because he did his best"... meaning your complacency to act as though something that isn't, is.

moistsandwich

"Didn't make sense to me" means that "in his opinion, what you said didn't make sense."

Is that simple enough for you?

wrong again.... "didn't make sense to me" means it "didn't make sense to me"..... and lol.... How can something not make sense in someone's opinion... it either makes sense or it doesn't... opinion is irrelevant.

But you are right about one thing.... it sure was "simple".

Oh boy. Whether something makes sense is often subjective. It's not as black and white as right or wrong. I think your problem is you think in black and white terms in about everything which is why anything that is not super literal is lost on you.

But riddle me this:

In some people's opinion. Christianity doesn't make sense. In some people's opinion, it does. So does it make sense? Since it can't be a matter of opinion, you should be able to objectively tell me whether it makes sense or not.

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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"] I know. Why is it so hard for people to believe that you guys writing reviews still have integrity?Kevin-V

Moist, I think a breather is in order.

If Mass Effect 2 can't get a 9.5 here then I don't know what can. I'm guessing 8.5 for FF13 and 9.0's for GoW3 and Halo.

If Mass Effect 2 can't get a 9.5 here then I don't know what can. I'm guessing 8.5 for FF13 and 9.0's for GoW3 and Halo.

stepat201

I'm thinkin FFXIII will probably get an 8.5. Just a guess though.

[QUOTE="Kevin-V"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

When GTAIV & MGSIV scored 10 here.... it was obvious that "pro" reviewers are not immune to getting caught up in the hype. Both of those games have flaws, and should have been docked points accordingly. 9.9 should be the highest attainable score, simply because its not possible to create a perfect game.

PS. Don't give me that 10 doesnt mean perfect, it's Prime! CRAP, that's a lie people tell themselves to justify a score the game doesn't deserve.

moistsandwich

You've spent too much time in System Wars my friend... your logic neurons are shutting down. No it doesn't mean 9.9 becomes 10, that is impossible. 9.9 out of 10 can only ever be 9.9/10....

Humans are flawed, yet we strive to improve ourselves... will we ever be perfect? NOPE.... does that mean we should lower our expectations and just accept ourselves the way we are, not trying to improve ourselves? People that think like this are the problem with society, they accept their reality rather than trying to change it for the better.

This is essentially what you are saying with your 9.9 becomes the new 10 nonsense.

Is it so difficult to understand that 10/10 = 100% = perfection... and since humans aren't perfect, nothing we make is perfect.... Now if you can honestly say that there exists a perfect piece of software, with absolutely no flaws... then I will concede that, that deserves a 10/10.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

wrong again.... "didn't make sense to me" means it "didn't make sense to me"..... and lol.... How can something not make sense in someone's opinion... it either makes sense or it doesn't... opinion is irrelevant.

But you are right about one thing.... it sure was "simple".

Oh boy. Whether something makes sense is often subjective. It's not as black and white as right or wrong. I think your problem is you think in black and white terms in about everything which is why anything that is not super literal is lost on you.

But riddle me this:

In some people's opinion. Christianity doesn't make sense. In some people's opinion, it does. So does it make sense? Since it can't be a matter of opinion, you should be able to objectively tell me whether it makes sense or not.

Good point... I'm glad you brought it up... Christianity doesn't make sense, thats why its called "a belief"... you believe in it, even though you can't prove it to be true, and even though you don't understand it.

Sorry... I shouldn't say Christianity... we should say religion, since Christianity takes in a broad number of denominations and is easily understood. I assume you meant religion.

Therefore, my earlier claims still hold true... I can prove 10/10 = perfect.... no one can prove religion, does it make it wrong... not necessarily, but it doesn't make it right either. No one really knows... they just choose to believe.

Also... you can score a 100% on a test in school... if its something as simple as a spelling test... or math test. An essay... well, while its possible for it to be perfect (technically no mistakes). However the professor may think that a different choice of words are more fitting, and therefore dock points... Does it mean you were wrong? No... so a perfect score in school is perfectly plausible. Sorry if I was rambling... I was contemplating if what I was typing was true or not... but I'm too lazy and busy atm, to edit it.

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

There is no hope for you people..... please continue to live on in your own universe of flawed logic. If you can't understand that 10/10 = 100%, then I suggest you get off your computer and go back to grade school.

Typical I suppose, considering the general region of people that populate these forums... when presented with cold hard facts/logic... just scream louder and louder claiming its wrong, will somehow make you right.

Kevin-V

You are not presenting logic or cold, hard facts; you are merely trying to define our reviews scale using criteria that do not apply. Our numbers indicate a rough representation of quality, in which a 10 represents the highest quality a game can reasonably expected to have, and a 1 represents the lowest quality a game can reasonably be expected to have. In between, we use numbers to represent notions of quality, using words that have more or less the same meaning and connotation to those that understand them. For example, a 7 represents a good game, while a 2 represents a terrible one.

At GameSpot, a 10 indicates that the game could not have been improved in a meaningful way. This is a statement of quality based on the evaluation of the reviewer. It is not a true-and-false quiz at school, that can be calculated in mathematical terms in order to derive a percentage that represents the test-taker's relative success.

The fact that a scale exists doesn't mean that the scale represents mathematical absolutes. Evaluation is not mathematics, and any evaluative scale, whether it be made of numbers, stars, or letter grades, represents only that which its creator means it to represent. I assume that a publications that gives a game five stars, or an A+, is also subject to your logic, and therefore must be derided?

-Better than user ownages
-Better than mod ownages

This is the highest form of ownage in the ownage paradigm/hierarchy.

Be warned though: The mere fact that someone has to go out of their way to own said victims almost guarantees that the ownee will fail to grasp his point.