Dota 2 review is up (AAA confirmed) UPDATE IGN review: 9.4

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Without the flames I wouldn't get these gems.

lostrib

what is going on?

My post didn't go through? >.>

Oh god I think we're back to the days when you gotta post again to make your posts appear.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Better score than LoL, best MOBA confirmed!

For serious though, how does this compare to LoL for anyone who was in the beta? I probably won't switch away since I've invested quite a bit of time in LoL, but I'd still like to see what people who've played both think.

whiskeystrike

I've put about 1500 hours into LoL and only about 60 hours into DotA 2.

DotA 2 is lightyears ahead of LoL. More item variety, more champ variety, cooler abilities, harder gameplay, better artstyle, more varied meta, map is bigger, jungle is bigger and more varied, every champ is free from the start and all the cool little things add up as well (like all the interaction between champs and items). After spending so much time playing League after 3 years it's also incredibly refreshing to have new things to learn and having to adapt. I still play League for the fun game modes like ARAM and Dominion and to play with friends but in general I much prefer to play Dota.

The ARAM map was downright brilliant.

Great for casual play which is what LoL does pretty well.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Better score than LoL, best MOBA confirmed!

For serious though, how does this compare to LoL for anyone who was in the beta? I probably won't switch away since I've invested quite a bit of time in LoL, but I'd still like to see what people who've played both think.

Maroxad

I've put about 1500 hours into LoL and only about 60 hours into DotA 2.

DotA 2 is lightyears ahead of LoL. More item variety, more champ variety, cooler abilities, harder gameplay, better artstyle, more varied meta, map is bigger, jungle is bigger and more varied, every champ is free from the start and all the cool little things add up as well (like all the interaction between champs and items). After spending so much time playing League after 3 years it's also incredibly refreshing to have new things to learn and having to adapt. I still play League for the fun game modes like ARAM and Dominion and to play with friends but in general I much prefer to play Dota.

The ARAM map was downright brilliant.

Great for casual play which is what LoL does pretty well.

Again, doesn't make the statement wrong. The only way it could be wrong is if it was proven to be wrong.

senses_fail_06

Learn debate practice. Burden of proof, stipulates that the individual making the claim, must prove it to be true. Argumentum ad Ignorantium, by definition, means it is wrong. It's an informal fallacy. It cannot be used correctly :? Esentially, you are saying that I have nothing to disprove what you are saying, therefore it is correect. To which, I rebut, that you are a f*cking imbecile.

If I said the Earth only had one moon, because I can only see one moon and I do not see two moons, then the evidence is provided. Could it be wrong? Sure. Could it be right? Sure. 

senses_fail_06

So, you are claiming that you could be right, but, you could also be wrong? Debate practice stipulates that you prove yourself correct, first and foremost. Am I conversing with a child?

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Ironically the most played game (LoL) got a 6.0 here

Ballroompirate

That's why the genre along with MMO's shouldn't really be "reviewed". They ether get progressively worse or bad with patches/updates unless sites started to review the game as it progresses.

derp

senses_fail_06

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

So, you are claiming that you could be right, but, you could also be wrong? Debate practice stipulates that you prove yourself correct, first and foremost. Am I conversing with a child?

senses_fail_06

Have you forgotten everything I have said?

"Pretty sure SW entered the wild wild west status in the sense that there are no formal rules in which anyone has to abide by."

And this isn't debate class. The real world isn't debate class.

somebody lost the debate

Have you forgotten everything I have said?

"Pretty sure SW entered the wild wild west status in the sense that there are no formal rules in which anyone has to abide by."

And this isn't debate class. The real world isn't debate class.

senses_fail_06

Not... Even... Remotely.

That is not evidence. You have failed to present any proof. You are a dipshit.

Are you implying that debate practices should not carry over to real world applications? Why? So, you may actually win something? Sad :(

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You have provided nothing. You could not prove your point. You are an idiot, in the strictest sense. I am done.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]

We can't assume that they would be the same though. Considering GS has come out and said that they review games based upon the standards of the platform and genre, we can reasonably assume that free games are at least subject to a different score if it was a full retail game. 

senses_fail_06

I don't think you can see that with much confidence.

I don't know any review sites that don't include value into their scores. 

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

So, you are claiming that you could be right, but, you could also be wrong? Debate practice stipulates that you prove yourself correct, first and foremost. Am I conversing with a child?

senses_fail_06

Have you forgotten everything I have said?

"Pretty sure SW entered the wild wild west status in the sense that there are no formal rules in which anyone has to abide by."

And this isn't debate class. The real world isn't debate class.

only in the optional metagame.

Still hiding behind the mumbo jumbo. If its that weak of a claim that you should have had 0 problems easily shredding it. 

You can't prove these games count or that they are reviewed on the same scale. Maybe I can't do the opposite (well at least for the former), but game's aren't automatically counted just because they have reviewed. That's the one thing we don't need to argue about, because I'm obviously right.

Until you can prove otherwise, they don't count. 

senses_fail_06

Argumentum ad Ignorantium. Bro, you are so uneductaed, I don't want to be counted as the same  species  as you.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Not... Even... Remotely.

That is not evidence. You have failed to present any proof. You are a dipshit.

Are you implying that debate practices should not carry over to real world applications? Why? So, you may actually win something? Sad :(

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You have provided nothing. You could not prove your point. You are an idiot, in the strictest sense. I am done.

senses_fail_06

Still hiding behind the mumbo jumbo. If its that weak of a claim that you should have had 0 problems easily shredding it. 

You can't prove these games count or that they are reviewed on the same scale. Maybe I can't do the opposite (well at least for the former), but game's aren't automatically counted just because they have reviewed. That's the one thing we don't need to argue about, because I'm obviously right.

Until you can prove otherwise, they don't count. 

Explaining the A's HYPE

AAAA (or AAAAE) - this is a game that scores a prime 10 in the review only found on GameSpot.com, unless specified by the post.

AAA (or AAAE) - this is a game which scores a 9.0 or 9.5 in the review only found on GameSpot.com, unless specified by the post.

AA (or AAE) - this is a game which scores a 8.0 or 8.5 in the review only found on GameSpot.com, unless specified by the post.

A (or AE) - this is a game which scores a 7.0 or 7.5 in the review only found on GameSpot.com, unless specified by the post.

This is the proper way to hype a game. If you believe a game is going to get an 8.5, then you hype it as an AA game. It may also be an AAE game which means it will be exclusive, which will come up next.

The Rules of Exclusivity

Please be aware though, that these rules change from poster to poster, so just try to form to them. However, these rules are what we believe are the most fair and most descriptive rules.

1. A game found on only 1 system is exclusive. (This means it is only found on one system. For example, if it is found on the PS3, and if it appears on the PC, PS2, Xbox360, Wii, DS, or PSP, it loses its rights of being called exclusive)

2. A game is a called exclusive until the relase of the same game on another console. From the announcement of the game coming to another system until the game actually releases on said second system, the game is called a timed exclusive. (To explain, lets say this really great game came out on the Xbox360 in December. It would be called exclusive. Now March comes, and they announce it for the PS3 coming in July. It is then called a timed exclusive. Once it releases on the PS3 in July, it loses its rights of ever being called an exclusive.)

3. Games found on two or more systems are called multiplats. This is always true. It can never be called exclusive, unless it follows under the next rule.

4. Games found on systems made by the same company are called ___ exclusives (fill in the name with the name of the founding company. )

~ If it is only found on the Xbox and Xbox360, it is called a Microsoft Exclusive.

~ If it is only found on the PS2, PS3, and PSP, it is called a Sony Exclusive.

~If it is only found on the Wii or DS, it is called a Nintendo Exclusive.

5. The last rule. Games found on both the PC and the Xbox360 can NEVER be called Microsoft exclusives. (This is kind of obvious. Although it may be true that they are both run on systems that were developed by Microsoft, there are Sony computers. And since Sony is also a competitor, it therefore loses rights to be called exclusive.)

You can try to cry your tears until they change reality, but there is, in fact, a set of rules, and they do not, in fact, exclude any game by their pricing or budget or platform.

Your comments are hurtful.

senses_fail_06

Hopefully, they educate you. Any evidence?

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

senses_fail_06

Nothing about that is official. At all.

It's a collection of SW terms. Not the judge, jury, and executioner of all things SW. 

rules of the metagame in SW, covers things like hype, A/AA/AAA, exclusivity

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

senses_fail_06

Nothing about that is official. At all.

It's a collection of SW terms. Not the judge, jury, and executioner of all things SW. 

Stop stealing my air please.

Aside from the official reviews guide:

"Our editorial staff consists of discerning, value-conscious game players"

Nope, nothing at all.

You have anything yet? 

senses_fail_06

So, you have nothing. Brilliant. End of debate.

I don't need anything. Look up "burden of proof" :lol:

 

No, not only does it not address the issue. It's not even relevant. It's like a noobie guide to SW, so you don't get laughed at. 

 

senses_fail_06

Your words not mine.

As good as this game may be

As popular as it may be

After sinking probably 2000 hours into LoL, which often took priority over other things, I'm not about to get into another MOBA :P

Any other multiplayer games I can pick up and play for any amount of time, but it always seemed like League of Legends would turn into an 8 hour ordeal every night :P

I'm glad I no longer play.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Sounds like you're just totally butthurt that you can't win. I've shown you precisely where the rules of system wars lack any kind of specifics on what games do and do not count, and all you can counter with is "buh buh system wars rules don't count either!"

Stop stealing my air please.

senses_fail_06

No, not only does it not address the issue. It's not even relevant. It's like a noobie guide to SW, so you don't get laughed at. 

 

rules of the metagame in SW, covers things like hype, A/AA/AAA, exclusivity

lostrib

i was just saying what the rules cover

This is not a court setting. Feel free to disprove what I have said. 

If you can't, just say so. 

senses_fail_06

Shocking, that you can't prove your point. I needn't prove anything. Just give up your embarassing stance :lol:

BURDEN OF PROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

i was just saying what the rules cover

senses_fail_06

it's the rules of system wars

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Ok well since you're ignoring those guidelines I get to laugh at you.

Your words not mine.

senses_fail_06

When was it ever deemed that everyone in SW is bound by that guide? Which, again, doesn't even address the issue (because whoever made it probably doesn't give a rat's ass).

Stop stealing my air please.Vaasman

If you don't like the guidelines then stop posting here.

The bottom line is, even if you ignore the omission from our rules, this game has been reviewed by 10+ major gaming press already, and has received editor's choice here at gamespot. It is among the most played multiplayer games available today, even before it's official release.

It's a game. It counts.

Deal with it you water-brained monkey.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]I needn't prove anything.senses_fail_06

This assumes that your stance is correct... Yet, you haven't proven it :lol:

 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]only in the optional metagame.senses_fail_06

There's really no guidelines at all. 

oh but there are if you play the game.

 

I read the first sentence, and I instantly knew it was irrelevant. See the above comment. 

senses_fail_06

Why is senses still debating? He's thick as pig shit, and hasn't proven that this game doesn't count :lol:

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

When was it ever deemed that everyone in SW is bound by that guide? Which, again, doesn't even address the issue (because whoever made it probably doesn't give a rat's ass).

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Stop stealing my air please.Vaasman

If you don't like the guidelines then stop posting here.

The bottom line is, even if you ignore the omission from our rules, this game has been reviewed by 10+ major gaming press already, and has received editor's choice here at gamespot. It is among the most played multiplayer games available today, even before it's official release.

It's a game. It counts.

Deal with it you water-brained monkey.

HAHA, Jordan fades back, SWOOSH! and that's the game!

You don't have to assume that, I'm not making you. This isn't a formal setting, you can feel free to destroy my argument whenever you want :wink:

senses_fail_06

On the contrary, burden of proof holds in any debate... Unless you are a complete tw@thead :lol: