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#351 Jankarcop
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Sigh, Oh look another crappy RTS/Moba game.  

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Sigh, Oh look another crappy Movie pretending to be a game.

 

 

Lol non gaming.

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#352 The_Lipscomb
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Just another wankfest for nerdy computer weirdos. I'll continue to play on consoles because I'm a socially inclined individual.

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What? :lol:

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#353 Monkey_N1nga
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[QUOTE="Monkey_N1nga"]

i dont want to play against online players right away since im new to the genre and i heard it has a steep learning curve so does anybody know if you can play against bots? Also i heard that people paid for the game, but i got it from steam for free. 

princeofshapeir
First thing to do is try the tutorial. I haven't played the game in a while, just did so today, and I don't know if this was recently added or what but DOTA 2 actually has a pretty comprehensive, well-made tutorial for players completely new to MOBAs. It's certainly better than LoL's, if LoL's is still the same as it has ever been. From there you can play custom games against bots to practice mechanics.

thats exactly what I needed, thanks for the info on the tutorial. Thats the first thing im going to do when its done downloading. I just hope I dont get addicted
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#354 NVIDIATI
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Is there something wrong with me if I liked the Original DotA (Warcraft III mod) over DotA 2?

PsychoLemons
No.
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#355 PsychoLemons
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[QUOTE="PsychoLemons"]

Is there something wrong with me if I liked the Original DotA (Warcraft III mod) over DotA 2?

NVIDIATI

No.

Okay, how about this. I find LoL more difficult than DotA.:?

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#356 whiskeystrike
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[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"][QUOTE="PsychoLemons"]

Is there something wrong with me if I liked the Original DotA (Warcraft III mod) over DotA 2?

PsychoLemons

No.

Okay, how about this. I find LoL more difficult than DotA.:?

How so? Summoner spells?

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#357 campzor
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its a valve game, of course it got 9
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#358 MrYaotubo
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its a valve game, of course it got 9campzor
CS: GO got and 8.5.
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#359 campzor
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[QUOTE="campzor"]its a valve game, of course it got 9MrYaotubo
CS: GO got and 8.5.

eh, close enough.. GS doesnt know how to score good games anyways.
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#360 KungfuKitten
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I'd give it a 7 cause of the community. If they'd allow for casual games I'd give it an 8.5.
My other main concern is how the item system is kinda convoluted.

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#361 harry_james_pot  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Razor_defiace"]Reasons why I like DOTA:
1. DOTA has all the heroes unlocked
2. There's no rune and mastery bullshit
3. The Map is not symmetrical
4. Items don't affect your skill power stat wise
5. Items are more unique and add complexity
6. Teleport scrolls
7. Map is not claustrophobically small
8. Jungling is more fun
9. The hero models are well defined and not as easily lost in big fights
10. Heroes themselves are more unique 
11. Courier, bottles, hp potions and other items
12. Comebacks are more frequent and the ability to win even if you're down one person
 

1. That's not necessarily a good thing, see below. 2. What's wrong with masteries and runes? They give you options to customize your champion. How is that bad? 7. I have to admit, the map is more interesting in dota. 9. It's very interesting that you mentioned that. I've been playing LoL for about a year now, and just tried dota 2 last week. And I was having problems seeing the heroes during fights. Most of them look like normal minions to me, and everything looked to me like a melted painting or something. In LoL, the champions can be clearly seen wherever you are. I find them more distinct. So basically, I think it's just about what you're used to. :D 12. Same applies to LoL as well. [QUOTE="Razor_defiace"]
Reasons why don't like LoL:
1. The free 2 play model is horrible
2. Heroes are locked by a paywall
3. Runes make it impossible to pick up a character and be on the same level as everybody else that has them
4. The bush mechanic, it looks silly
5. In-game character design doesn't match the artwork at all. The cosmetics just suck.
6. The abilities are not that creative.
7. Characters that don't use mana 

1. How is it horrible exactly? 2. It's not a paywall. You buy them with in-game money, not real one. And every week they have 10 random ones that you can try for free. You might see this as a bad thing, but it's really not. Like I said, I've been playing for almost a year, and I only own less than 20 champions, and I still have tons of other ones to look forward to. 3. Not really. Runes give you a bit of advantage only during the beginning of the game. But if you don't know how to play the champion properly, you'll still lose. They don't magically make you better. 4. It does "look" silly, but it adds more tactics to the gameplay. 7. There are only very few of them.
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#362 whitey_rolls
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I'd give it a 7 cause of the community. If they'd allow for casual games I'd give it an 8.5.
My other main concern is how the item system is kinda convoluted.

KungfuKitten
I wouldn't say the item system is convoluted it just takes a bit of time to get used to. Dota 2 is a difficult game in general and I would almost recommend not going in and playing 50 games in a row. You almost have to play a game or two and then go read/watch videos. A lot of the games complexity lies in the 100 + different heroes and their abilities, until you figure those out the game will be difficult. The items aren't as big of a deal, play the game and buy the suggested items at first and once you get used to the heroes, their strenghts/weaknesses you can then buy items tailored around those.
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#363 uninspiredcup
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As far as helping noobs go, Valve have done an amazing job.

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#364 DrTrafalgarLaw
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I'd rather play Warcraft 3.

I played DOTA2 before and I fairly understand what's going on. But in the end, it's goddamn boring to have to waste time with the dumb "last-hit" requisite. I really can't believe how people are wasting an upwards of 45 minutes to a whole hour per match just clicking in and out of a group of enemies. I'd rather take direct control of my character and direct control over its attacks, swings, magic and soforth. Dumbing down everything to a single click defines PC gaming lately.

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#365 ToScA-
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I hate this game. But I'm a purist.
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#366 AktionJakson
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I'd rather play Warcraft 3.

I played DOTA2 before and I fairly understand what's going on. But in the end, it's goddamn boring to have to waste time with the dumb "last-hit" requisite. I really can't believe how people are wasting an upwards of 45 minutes to a whole hour per match just clicking in and out of a group of enemies. I'd rather take direct control of my character and direct control over its attacks, swings, magic and soforth. Dumbing down everything to a single click defines PC gaming lately.

DrTrafalgarLaw

 

Posts like this and just about everything is pure ignorance and honestly pathetic. Most of you don't have a clue.

You can't bash this game much at all, you can only say that it isn't for you. 

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#367 GrannyGoat
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I just played this game for the first time on Steam and I don't get it. I'm leveling up and buying sh*t at the shop that is recommended ,but players on the other team can kill me with 2 shots, whereas I have to hack away forever to kill. What am I doing wrong?

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#368 Miroku32
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I just played this game for the first time on Steam and I don't get it. I'm leveling up and buying sh*t at the shop that is recommended ,but players on the other team can kill me with 2 shots, whereas I have to hack away forever to kill. What am I doing wrong?

GrannyGoat
Watch Youtube videos and read guides on the Internet. If you buy items recommended by the developers you won't get too far.

Remember to last hit (unless there is a carry on your lane), deny your minions, watch the minimap, jungle if you can, buy courier and wards if you are support, and the most important stuff: communicate with your team and work as a team.
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#369 deathtarget04
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Great score, love DOTA 2.

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#370 deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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[QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

I just played this game for the first time on Steam and I don't get it. I'm leveling up and buying sh*t at the shop that is recommended ,but players on the other team can kill me with 2 shots, whereas I have to hack away forever to kill. What am I doing wrong?

Miroku32

Watch Youtube videos and read guides on the Internet. If you buy items recommended by the developers you won't get too far.

 

Remember to last hit (unless there is a carry on your lane), deny your minions, watch the minimap, jungle if you can, buy courier and wards if you are support, and the most important stuff: communicate with your team and work as a team.

And use the in-game guides! I can't stress this enough, it'll make the game so much easier for you. It's the book icon on the top part of your screen. It'll tell you what to buy and when, what to level, what each of your abilities do, what your hero is good for, etc.

It makes the game much easier to get into.

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#371 abuabed
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Regardless of the review; DOTA2 is one of the best games I have ever played and every gamer should give it a try at least.
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#372 Cyberdot
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Nice.

I should check the game out.

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#375 whiskeystrike
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Play through the tutorial guys. It's there for a reason. Don't just jump into a match and assume that you'll just get it. You won't.

Edit: Also, when you die don't just wait to respawn and go and do the same thing over again. Everytime you die, it's for a reason. Don't blame gimmicks or other players. Either you made a mistake or you allowed the other team to create a advantage. If you're out pushing a lane by yourself and then all of a sudden two people show up and just stomp you think of why they were able to do so. Were you watching the minimap and noticed part of the enemy team missing? Were you out pushing past the river so they had easy access to get behind you? Were you carrying a teleport stone to get out quickly? Did anyone on your team ward specific choke points to gain map vision? DotA 2 is not a mindless multiplayer game. This isn't the game you play to relax you after a long day of work. If you treat it as such starting out you will lose a lot of matches or contribute almost nothing to your team's win.

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#376 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="Monkey_N1nga"]

i dont want to play against online players right away since im new to the genre and i heard it has a steep learning curve so does anybody know if you can play against bots? Also i heard that people paid for the game, but i got it from steam for free. 

Monkey_N1nga
First thing to do is try the tutorial. I haven't played the game in a while, just did so today, and I don't know if this was recently added or what but DOTA 2 actually has a pretty comprehensive, well-made tutorial for players completely new to MOBAs. It's certainly better than LoL's, if LoL's is still the same as it has ever been. From there you can play custom games against bots to practice mechanics.

thats exactly what I needed, thanks for the info on the tutorial. Thats the first thing im going to do when its done downloading. I just hope I dont get addicted

You will get addicted. There is no escape.
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#377 Miroku32
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] You will get addicted. There is no escape.

How many hours have you spent on that game?
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#378 parkurtommo
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I'd rather play Warcraft 3.

I played DOTA2 before and I fairly understand what's going on. But in the end, it's goddamn boring to have to waste time with the dumb "last-hit" requisite. I really can't believe how people are wasting an upwards of 45 minutes to a whole hour per match just clicking in and out of a group of enemies. I'd rather take direct control of my character and direct control over its attacks, swings, magic and soforth. Dumbing down everything to a single click defines PC gaming lately.

DrTrafalgarLaw
Self owned. You just admitted that you haven't played enough of it to understand the mechanics. Last hitting is important, and probably the skill that scales the most through brackets since noobs don't have a clue how to last hit and higher skilled players know exactly how each hero's animation is and how it interacts with the creep. But you don't seem to have realized that last hitting is a means to an end, ideally a carry should have their core done prior to the 20 minute mark, and from then on you're right clicking heroes, not creeps. If you think Strategy games have any sort of "dumbing down" involved then you are seriously mistaken.
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#379 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="Miroku32"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"] You will get addicted. There is no escape.

How many hours have you spent on that game?

1550 hours. I've been a monogamer (only plays one game, in this case DOTA 2) until this steam summer sale when I got a few games to keep me off teh dota drugs.
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#380 Miroku32
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"] 1550 hours. I've been a monogamer (only plays one game, in this case DOTA 2) until this steam summer sale when I got a few games to keep me off teh dota drugs.

I'm still a newbie :cry: 292 hours.
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#381 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="Miroku32"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"] 1550 hours. I've been a monogamer (only plays one game, in this case DOTA 2) until this steam summer sale when I got a few games to keep me off teh dota drugs.

I'm still a newbie :cry: 292 hours.

Hey as long as you're doing decently against the people in your skill bracket, no need to be concerned with the amount of experience you have. :P
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#382 whiskeystrike
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[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

I'd rather play Warcraft 3.

I played DOTA2 before and I fairly understand what's going on. But in the end, it's goddamn boring to have to waste time with the dumb "last-hit" requisite. I really can't believe how people are wasting an upwards of 45 minutes to a whole hour per match just clicking in and out of a group of enemies. I'd rather take direct control of my character and direct control over its attacks, swings, magic and soforth. Dumbing down everything to a single click defines PC gaming lately.

parkurtommo

Self owned. You just admitted that you haven't played enough of it to understand the mechanics. Last hitting is important, and probably the skill that scales the most through brackets since noobs don't have a clue how to last hit and higher skilled players know exactly how each hero's animation is and how it interacts with the creep. But you don't seem to have realized that last hitting is a means to an end, ideally a carry should have their core done prior to the 20 minute mark, and from then on you're right clicking heroes, not creeps. If you think Strategy games have any sort of "dumbing down" involved then you are seriously mistaken.

I'd say last hitting is equally important to positioning. I'd much rather have a ranged carry who has done meh so far but stays alive in team fights rather than the well farmed guy who only gets a few hits off in team fight and then just dies.

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#383 PannicAtack
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I really need to get back to this. I only played the tutorial. But for some reason I have this mental block in trying to start games like Dota 2 or Starcraft 2 online.
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#384 Vaasman
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Let me nip it in the bud. "circumstantial"... Learn what it means. It relies on an inference, not an absolute.

At the end of the day, you have  failed  to prove that these games do not count. Like I said, ask a mod... Or admin, if you'd like.

senses_fail_06

if you're playing the metagame, it absolutely counts. if not, it's whatever you want since there's anarchy. this is what the forum community decided and nobody would know this better than me.

Based on what? When? Not only do I not remember any of these discussions, I certainly don't think a decision was ever reached. What was even the game that would have brought up the topic? Not a lot of F2p AAA games before this one (if any? ).

That's because you joined after the discussions on how the rules would work were held. Do you think people just stuck the rules up there for no reason? That shit isn't just something that gets ignored as much as you wish it was, it's the metric for our little metagame that was decided by the community. Don't like it? Don't play. Don't talk about ownage or AAAE's or what does and does not count because you aren't a part of any of it.

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#385 GrannyGoat
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which heroes are the best to play as?

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#386 Miroku32
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I really need to get back to this. I only played the tutorial. But for some reason I have this mental block in trying to start games like Dota 2 or Starcraft 2 online.PannicAtack
For some reason I find more easy to start a Dota 2 match instead of SC2 solo match. SC2 usually is too stressful. [QUOTE="parkurtommo"] Hey as long as you're doing decently against the people in your skill bracket, no need to be concerned with the amount of experience you have. :P

Gonna say average. Usually I can handle well my lane but if a carry on the other team is fed, well, the problem starts.
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#387 anshul89
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Looks like the PC destroyed consoles this year. Nothing new here :P
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#388 Miroku32
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which heroes are the best to play as?

GrannyGoat
There is a game mode called Limited Heroes. The pool consists of the heroes that are best suited for new people.

For me, Sniper is a hero that can be used easily by anyone. The only problem is that he lacks any escape mechanism but as a ranged hero he has good range (that can be upgraded), a passive stun, a great ult.
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#389 rjdofu
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I tried, but never got into it, what a pity.
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#390 AtariKidX
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Good game.
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#391 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]I really need to get back to this. I only played the tutorial. But for some reason I have this mental block in trying to start games like Dota 2 or Starcraft 2 online.Miroku32
For some reason I find more easy to start a Dota 2 match instead of SC2 solo match. SC2 usually is too stressful.

Heh, yeah. I had a few particularly bad losses in SC2. Including one game where I lost to rushes of zerglings and banelings before the nine-minute mark >_>

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#392 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

which heroes are the best to play as?

Miroku32
There is a game mode called Limited Heroes. The pool consists of the heroes that are best suited for new people.

For me, Sniper is a hero that can be used easily by anyone. The only problem is that he lacks any escape mechanism but as a ranged hero he has good range (that can be upgraded), a passive stun, a great ult.

I wouldn't recommend Sniper or any carry to a new player though. It's best just to pick a support or a nuker that doesn't require items to be good.
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#393 deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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which heroes are the best to play as?

GrannyGoat

If you're looking for fairly easy to play heroes that are still useful even if you don't get much farm, I'd recommend Skeleton King or Dragon Knight. Both are really tanky and are one of the easier heroes to get used to. Most of the ranged heroes are harder though, Luna I guess is an easy hero for ranged but she's not really that good.

I started playing as Razor as my first hero...yeah...don't do that :P. 

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[QUOTE="Miroku32"][QUOTE="GrannyGoat"]

which heroes are the best to play as?

parkurtommo

There is a game mode called Limited Heroes. The pool consists of the heroes that are best suited for new people.

 

For me, Sniper is a hero that can be used easily by anyone. The only problem is that he lacks any escape mechanism but as a ranged hero he has good range (that can be upgraded), a passive stun, a great ult.

I wouldn't recommend Sniper or any carry to a new player though. It's best just to pick a support or a nuker that doesn't require items to be good.

Well you're not really going to learn anything as Sniper. Even a monkey can play sniper, you just right click on stuff.

Just make sure you buy Shadowblade :P.

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#395 uninspiredcup
Member since 2013 • 62930 Posts

Youtube has a ton of 20 minute+ guides. Reading is boring and hard work.

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#396 Gxgear
Member since 2003 • 10425 Posts

Only -1 for being fully capable of destroying your social life?

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#397 mexicangordo
Member since 2005 • 8687 Posts

Probably one of my favorite games of all time, been playing dota since 2004, absolutely amazing game and I am so happy people know about now more than ever.  It is the most addicting, rewarding game there ever is.

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#398 Miroku32
Member since 2006 • 8666 Posts
Dota 2 is great but sometimes, sometimes I really hate it. Played 3 matches, lost the 3 of them because someone of my team fed the enemy team or DCed. That's why pubs are annoying and so random.
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#399 MakeMeaSammitch
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Too bad PC gaming is so expensive

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#400 whitey_rolls
Member since 2006 • 2547 Posts

which heroes are the best to play as?

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It's all personal preference. However if you are new to MOBA I would recommend a support hero like Lich or Venomancer. They are simple to play and if you are horrible you won't ruin the game for your team. Just remember as a support your job isn't to buy as many items as you can, they don't benefit you that much. Supports are generally good just using their spells and should spend their gold on team support items like Mekansm, Pipe of Insight, Medallion of Courage, Sentry/Observer Wards etc. Once you get better at the game and you understand the nuances you should try some of the ganking/offlane heroes. The guy who recommended Sniper is right in that he's pretty simple to use, but he's a trash can hero. He has no escape, is very squishy and only does decent damage with several items - I wouldn't recommend playing agility carries as a new player.