Dragon's Crown GameSpot Review-'Some offensive and unavoidable character design'

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#101 Malta_1980
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Good score.. cant wait to get this game !!

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#102 Sagem28
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It flopped, but i am still buying it

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I don't think there was a hype for this one.

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Who's buying it?Blabadon
day 1... big knockers ftw. Im gonna objectify the eff out of those women while I play... hellz yeah@!
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[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Who's buying it?TheEroica
day 1... big knockers ftw. Im gonna objectify the eff out of those women while I play... hellz yeah@!

Strapping one on?
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#105 kickingcarpet
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This doesn't look next-gen to me or have good graphics, look like sega almost. Thats probably why it got such a poor score if u think about it

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#106 W1NGMAN-
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Over the top character designs ... IN A VIDEOGAME???

:o

OH THE HUMANITY!!

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#107 Nintendo_Ownes7
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I plan on getting it for the PS3.

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#108 rjdofu
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Seriously, who is offended by this other than extreme feminists and lame internet white knights?
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#109 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

While I'm not offended by the art-styl personally, and don't necessarily mind some sex appeal in my entertainment media, I do find it stupid when devs go overboard and make the sex appeal so blatantly obvious like Dragon's Crown did, as if they were trying as hard as possible to make the game as sexual as possible to try and increase sales from young teenagers going through puberty.

Maybe some critics are going overboard in their criticism, and I don't think such art-styles should be censored, but TBH, I do see how some people might not exactly be able to appreciate something like Dragon Crown's art.

DJ-Lafleur

it's not because of that, it's the inspiration material. there's a very clear source of inspiration, but because Frank Frazetta's works were often more explicit, i'll refer from posting pics here. you might know him from the time he drew the art of a certain barbarian.

 

it's lewd, yes, but intentionally so, and that's not a bad thing, and DEFINITELY not to cater to teenagers. if lewd was a bad thing, we'd have quite a few famous renaissance paintings to deal with.

I was unaware about the inspiration when making that post, so I guess the art-style isn't as silly as I did originally. 

Still find the sorceress' massive melons ridiculous though, whether they were inspired by frank Frazetta or not.

they're no more ridiculous than the dwarf's wardrobe consisting of "thong with a bulge and beard". that's the point i'm trying to make, they weren't making women sexy to cater to teenagers, they were doing it to everyone regardless of gender, because it's an art style. plus, lewd women in western art is nothing new, but no one rages at this painting because "kinda chubby" went out of style:  seriously, if game reviewers think dragon's crown is lewd, don't let them get close to the louvre (which zomg lets kids walk in). they'll start a petition to shut it down.
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#110 rjdofu
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[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] it's not because of that, it's the inspiration material. there's a very clear source of inspiration, but because Frank Frazetta's works were often more explicit, i'll refer from posting pics here. you might know him from the time he drew the art of a certain barbarian.

 

it's lewd, yes, but intentionally so, and that's not a bad thing, and DEFINITELY not to cater to teenagers. if lewd was a bad thing, we'd have quite a few famous renaissance paintings to deal with.

BrunoBRS

I was unaware about the inspiration when making that post, so I guess the art-style isn't as silly as I did originally. 

Still find the sorceress' massive melons ridiculous though, whether they were inspired by frank Frazetta or not.

they're no more ridiculous than the dwarf's wardrobe consisting of "thong with a bulge and beard". that's the point i'm trying to make, they weren't making women sexy to cater to teenagers, they were doing it to everyone regardless of gender, because it's an art style. plus, lewd women in western art is nothing new, but no one rages at this painting because "kinda chubby" went out of style:  seriously, if game reviewers think dragon's crown is lewd, don't let them get close to the louvre (which zomg lets kids walk in). they'll start a petition to shut it down.

Idk about reviewers, but I find Lara's moaning pretty lewd in the new Tomb Raider, bet they enjoyed that.
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#111 BrunoBRS
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Kind of a stupid complaint, but it's his opinion. It's not like no one saw this backlash coming pre-release.

DarkLink77

there's a line between "opinion" and "ignorance", and i feel some of these reviewers crossed it. nevermind the media bullying or the fact that games that are way worse than dragon's crown in the "lewd and/or ridiculous proportions" department have gotten a free pass until now (go ahead, look up the reviews of all DoAs, skullgirls, bayonetta, etc), but the fact that they're using terms like "pornography", "betrayal" and "a stain in the art of the game" just shows outright ignorance.

 

like i mentioned before, kamitami was inspired by a lot of western artwork, especially frank frazetta (of conan fame). the art style is a celebration of the body, regardless of gender, and it's not meant to be pornographic. lewd, yes, and intentionally so, but that goes both ways. also like i mentioned in this thread, lewd art is nothing new, and in fact it's exposed in museums worldwide for everyone to see, and yet our internet white knights jump on this game and call the very thing that art critics not only don't have a problem with, but praise, "a betrayal to the art of the game".

 

on a side note, the amazon is conan with boobs. but no one has a problem with conan.

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#112 xWoW_Rougex
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sex appeal so blatantly obvious like Dragon's Crown did, as if they were trying as hard as possible to make the game as sexual as possible to try

DJ-Lafleur

I feel the opposite, the characters in that game including the males, look so overkill that it feels more like a fun thing rather than trying to get people horny. Had they wanted to make it as hot as possible, they'd fix the proprtions, I mean many like big boobs but bigger is not always better (or at least for me), the proportion to the rest of the body is very important. 

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[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Who's buying it?TheEroica
day 1... big knockers ftw. Im gonna objectify the eff out of those women while I play... hellz yeah@!

:D I love you man.
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#114 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Blabadon"] day 1... big knockers ftw. Im gonna objectify the eff out of those women while I play... hellz yeah@!

Strapping one on?

You are getting this for the Vita?

I plan on getting it for the PS3.

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awww yeah, you can game with Eroica and I!
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] Strapping one on?

You are getting this for the Vita?

I plan on getting it for the PS3.

Nintendo_Ownes7
awww yeah, you can game with Eroica and I!

Can I come. I plan to objectify EVERYTHING.
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#116 Nintendo_Ownes7
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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

I plan on getting it for the PS3.

Heil68

awww yeah, you can game with Eroica and I!

I don't know when I will get it but I plan on getting it.

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#117 Kaz_Son
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:cool: Day One! Screw the feminists and Internet white knights, Big boobs FTW!
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#118 Xaero_Gravity
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] day 1... big knockers ftw. Im gonna objectify the eff out of those women while I play... hellz yeah@!

Strapping one on?

You are getting this for the Vita?

Nah, I'm going with the PS3 version.
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#119 Ballroompirate
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"] Strapping one on?Xaero_Gravity
You are getting this for the Vita?

Nah, I'm going with the PS3 version.

Good choice

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[QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"][QUOTE="Heil68"] You are getting this for the Vita?Ballroompirate

Nah, I'm going with the PS3 version.

Good choice

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Boob envy!

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Boob envy!

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Boob envy!

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#125 loosingENDS
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It flopped, but i am still buying it

Some-Mist

was there even a hype thread for the game?

That is the problem with gaming, really good games dont get attention

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This reminds me of Atlus's Code of Princess, where the lady protagonist and final boss also had a certain lack of clothing as well. :P but reviewers didnt go all politically correct on it.
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This reminds me of Atlus's Code of Princess, where the lady protagonist and final boss also had a certain lack of clothing as well. :P but reviewers didnt go all politically correct on it.bbkkristian
Feminism is the "it" topic in games journalism right now, so people are dog piling on it trying to grab for those web hits.
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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]This reminds me of Atlus's Code of Princess, where the lady protagonist and final boss also had a certain lack of clothing as well. :P but reviewers didnt go all politically correct on it.LordOfPoms
Feminism is the "it" topic in games journalism right now, so people are dog piling on it trying to grab for those web hits.

yeap they even complain that TLoU is a sexist games because the main protagonist is a male. They just freaking nit picking on the slightes hint of gender exploitation on popular titles to get attention.
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#129 LordOfPoms
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[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]This reminds me of Atlus's Code of Princess, where the lady protagonist and final boss also had a certain lack of clothing as well. :P but reviewers didnt go all politically correct on it.strawhatlupi
Feminism is the "it" topic in games journalism right now, so people are dog piling on it trying to grab for those web hits.

yeap they even complain that TLoU is a sexist games because the main protagonist is a male. They just freaking nit picking on the slightes hint of gender exploitation on popular titles to get attention.

Some are mistaking sexy designs for sexism -- that's not always the case. The Dragon's Crown characters are sexy, but they're not entirely sexist. The nameless hookers, criminal gang gurrrls, lack of any positive female characters and casting of all women as objects and jokes in Grand Theft Auto is sexist, but nobody will dare touch on it in their review.

For example Dead or Alive has a bunch of sexy boxom girls, but they're also the driving heroes of the series and outweigh the boys. Sure, they're there for eye candy, but they have a role in the game and series as heroes and villains, so to call it sexist is to just be upset the designers gave the girls big boobs. They're actually some of the more fleshed out female leads in games and they're not Anita's damsels, yet boob size = sexism appearntly.

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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="LordOfPoms"] Feminism is the "it" topic in games journalism right now, so people are dog piling on it trying to grab for those web hits.LordOfPoms

yeap they even complain that TLoU is a sexist games because the main protagonist is a male. They just freaking nit picking on the slightes hint of gender exploitation on popular titles to get attention.

Some are mistaking sexy designs for sexism -- that's not always the case. The Dragon's Crown characters are sexy, but they're not entirely sexist. The nameless hookers, criminal gang gurrrls, lack of any positive female characters and casting of all women as objects and jokes in Grand Theft Auto is sexist, but nobody will dare touch on it in their review.

For example Dead or Alive has a bunch of sexy boxom girls, but they're also the driving heroes of the series and outweigh the boys. Sure, they're there for eye candy, but they have a role in the game and series as heroes and villains, so to call it sexist is to just be upset the designers gave the girls big boobs. They're actually some of the more fleshed out female leads in games and they're not Anita's damsels, yet boob size = sexism appearntly.

imho i think GTA is not sexist at all. i think its more of a parody, where they hype all the relevant stereotype for dramatic and comedic effect. it doesnt isolate a gender, or a group of minorities. Male, female, gays, blacks, asians, whites, obese people, biker culture, etc. they all mistreat them equally.
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#131 LordOfPoms
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[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"]

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] yeap they even complain that TLoU is a sexist games because the main protagonist is a male. They just freaking nit picking on the slightes hint of gender exploitation on popular titles to get attention.strawhatlupi

Some are mistaking sexy designs for sexism -- that's not always the case. The Dragon's Crown characters are sexy, but they're not entirely sexist. The nameless hookers, criminal gang gurrrls, lack of any positive female characters and casting of all women as objects and jokes in Grand Theft Auto is sexist, but nobody will dare touch on it in their review.

For example Dead or Alive has a bunch of sexy boxom girls, but they're also the driving heroes of the series and outweigh the boys. Sure, they're there for eye candy, but they have a role in the game and series as heroes and villains, so to call it sexist is to just be upset the designers gave the girls big boobs. They're actually some of the more fleshed out female leads in games and they're not Anita's damsels, yet boob size = sexism appearntly.

imho i think GTA is not sexist at all. i think its more of a parody, where they hype all the relevant stereotype for dramatic and comedic effect. it doesnt isolate a gender, or a group of minorities. Male, female, gays, blacks, asians, whites, obese people, biker culture, etc. they all mistreat them equally.

According to Anita, in her latest video, parody is sexist so NOPE WE CANT HAVE IT.
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#132 _BlueDuck_
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You guys need to cut the reviewer some slack.. there's no feminist or politically-correct agenda at work, he's just try to tactfully say "this game is kinda weird and pervy". Which it totally is.

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#134 Ballroompirate
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You guys need to cut the reviewer some slack.. there's no feminist or politically-correct agenda at work, he's just try to tactfully say "this game is kinda weird and pervy". Which it totally is.

_BlueDuck_

So half naked women in games = pervy while half naked men in games = ok....the logic.....

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[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="LordOfPoms"]

Some are mistaking sexy designs for sexism -- that's not always the case. The Dragon's Crown characters are sexy, but they're not entirely sexist. The nameless hookers, criminal gang gurrrls, lack of any positive female characters and casting of all women as objects and jokes in Grand Theft Auto is sexist, but nobody will dare touch on it in their review.

For example Dead or Alive has a bunch of sexy boxom girls, but they're also the driving heroes of the series and outweigh the boys. Sure, they're there for eye candy, but they have a role in the game and series as heroes and villains, so to call it sexist is to just be upset the designers gave the girls big boobs. They're actually some of the more fleshed out female leads in games and they're not Anita's damsels, yet boob size = sexism appearntly.

LordOfPoms

imho i think GTA is not sexist at all. i think its more of a parody, where they hype all the relevant stereotype for dramatic and comedic effect. it doesnt isolate a gender, or a group of minorities. Male, female, gays, blacks, asians, whites, obese people, biker culture, etc. they all mistreat them equally.

According to Anita, in her latest video, parody is sexist so NOPE WE CANT HAVE IT.

I seen her vids and iv seen responds to her vids and boy is she anoying.

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#136 finalfantasy94
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You guys need to cut the reviewer some slack.. there's no feminist or politically-correct agenda at work, he's just try to tactfully say "this game is kinda weird and pervy". Which it totally is.

_BlueDuck_

Doesint make sense to be in the "bad section".

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#137 BrunoBRS
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You guys need to cut the reviewer some slack.. there's no feminist or politically-correct agenda at work, he's just try to tactfully say "this game is kinda weird and pervy". Which it totally is.

_BlueDuck_
there's a big difference between "the game is kinda weird and pervy" and "these women are a betrayal to the art style and leave a stain in the game".
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#138 ethanradd
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People are trying too hard to discredit the reviewer, after all the fuss and backlash to the reviews I thought the reviews were exaggerating the lewdness in this game ...until I checked out some video reviews, and I agree ...it is borderline soft-core porn material, the character designs, the animations ...the rediculous sreadeagled sexual poses ...and those were just clips from the reviews who knows what else is there ...so I can understand why some people may find it offensive and where they're coming from, personally I don't, then again I don't find porn offensive either

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Who's buying it?Blabadon
ME!!!! Have had the vita version payed for in full for months!!!!! Can't get here soon enough!
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This reminds me of Atlus's Code of Princess, where the lady protagonist and final boss also had a certain lack of clothing as well. :P but reviewers didnt go all politically correct on it.bbkkristian
Code of princess, while it looks like a cool game...is merely 16bit pixle art compared to this... so yeah there's that... (sorry but the 3ds can't display visuals like this...although I wish it could.. good thing I own both handhelds..)
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#141 finalstar2007
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Looks like i'll be getting the game this cmoing Tuesday afterall.. Futureshop having a deal where get the vita version for free after trading in 1 game so i'll trade 1 game and get this baby on Vita for free :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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#142 MirkoS77
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As a guy, I have zero trouble enjoying the female figure in all manners of display. All of it's simply a matter of if it's done tastefully or not.
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Looks like i'll be getting the game this cmoing Tuesday afterall.. Futureshop having a deal where get the vita version for free after trading in 1 game so i'll trade 1 game and get this baby on Vita for free :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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You're rightully cow of the year 2013, finalstar! :D I find it very, very pricey...
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Man this game looks awesome. Beautiful graphics, beautiful art, beautiful presentation, beautiful boobs, just utterly fantastic boobs. I must play this game.

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[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

Boob envy!

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Holy shit, that kid looks just like Tom McShea.

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#146 DrTrafalgarLaw
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[QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

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Holy shit, that kid looks just like Tom McShea.

Tom McShea wishes...this guy does duets with Usher, Mariah Carey and so on.
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#147 mojito1988
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Looks like i'll be getting the game this cmoing Tuesday afterall.. Futureshop having a deal where get the vita version for free after trading in 1 game so i'll trade 1 game and get this baby on Vita for free :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Sir I am sorry but you fail to understand. These boobies/behinds need to be on the big screen! Ps3 all the way!

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#148 SaltyMeatballs
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I'm tired of this shit. From now on I don't care anymore.
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#149 Master_ShakeXXX
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Anybody else notice that the only two negative reviews listed on metacritic are both written by females? Hmmmm....

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#150 rjdofu
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Anybody else notice that the only two negative reviews listed on metacritic are both written by females? Hmmmm....

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Jealousy...