DVD9 is an issue according to Rockstar

I will care when it actually becomes a true issue.

All this "is becoming an issue"-chat is totally irrelevant as we continue seeing huge and quality open world games that fit on a single DVD.

I will care when it actually becomes a true issue.

All this "is becoming an issue"-chat is totally irrelevant as we continue seeing huge and quality open world games that fit on a single DVD.

IronBass

I will care when it actually becomes a true issue.

All this "is becoming an issue"-chat is totally irrelevant as we continue seeing huge and quality open world games that fit on a single DVD.

IronBass

the problem is that you get a castrated game if a dev sees that he can't fit the whole data into a dvd.. so you get the sad sad dlc's.

edit: you get them also on the ps3 anyway, but what Rockstar says makes sense imo. dvd9 + 360 without HDD = fail.

It will always be irrelevant then. Devs could be making great games on Snes cartridges right now. The potential that comes with new formats is wasted though, that's the issue.kuraimen

the problem is that you get a castrated game if a dev sees that he can't fit the whole data into a dvd.. so you get the sad sad dlc's.pitty8982

[QUOTE="shadow8585"]Multiple disks? Problem solvedoajlu

yeah Multiple disc...

i am sure 99.5% of 360 users dont mihd changing disc while they play games.

and cost on disc and case material = make it $5 more expensive than regular games.

I am sure 360 gamers dont mindpaying $5 for better quality.

yet they cant even get their PS3 versions of their games to run in HD. So really, theyre rather incompetant to begin with.

yet they cant even get their PS3 versions of their games to run in HD. So really, theyre rather incompetant to begin with.

XboximusPrime

[QUOTE="oajlu"]

[QUOTE="shadow8585"]Multiple disks? Problem solvedmythrol

yeah Multiple disc...

i am sure 99.5% of 360 users dont mihd changing disc while they play games.

and cost on disc and case material = make it $5 more expensive than regular games.

I am sure 360 gamers dont mindpaying $5 for better quality.

the intelligent solution would be making a game on a pen drive which can store a heck more than any blurays. so when games require a lot of space, you buy a pen drive and problem is solved. Nintendo makes games on micro sd's..so why not.

[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]PS3 doesn't require mandatory install. Haven't you played GOW3 or Uncharted2? Its a developer choice that they use HD install to minimize the load time of optimal drives.foxhound_fox

Again , PS3 didn't mandate the Install, Developer did. Why? probably because PS3 has HD on all models 360 doesn't. Installs helps loading faster. Ever wonder why nearly all PC games requires HD installs?

You know what would be funny.

If microsoft uses DVD9 for the next 2 GENS

ROFL

Multiple disks,problem solved.Arach666

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]PS3 doesn't require mandatory install. Haven't you played GOW3 or Uncharted2? Its a developer choice that they use HD install to minimize the load time of optimal drives.fun-da-mental

Again , PS3 didn't mandate the Install, Developer did. Why? probably because PS3 has HD on all models 360 doesn't. Installs helps loading faster. Ever wonder why nearly all PC games requires HD installs?

a console - in 2010 - without HDD is like a pizza without anything on it. aia89

[QUOTE="Arach666"]Multiple disks,problem solved.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="Arach666"]Multiple disks,problem solved.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Arach666"]Multiple disks,problem solved.Arach666

[QUOTE="aia89"] a console - in 2010 - without HDD is like a pizza without anything on it. IronBass

yes, how the hell would they split the discs of a open world game like GTA? aia89

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Arach666"]Multiple disks,problem solved.aia89

[QUOTE="aia89"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]PCs have standard hard drives (because they're required to install the OS). Installs are also usually required (a no-no for a console with potentially no hard drive).HuusAsking

I don't get why you people are so against progress. I don't think bluray is sooo necessary, but in some cases, it really helps. aia89

Seriously, Rockstar just needs to man up on their Multiplatform development. They keep complaining about 360s DVD 9 and no HDDs, yet they keep optimizing and making the 360 version of their last two games run better on 360. So really, I dont see why their complaining if their not doing anythinga bout it.

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Unless the storyline is less-than-linear. Then you can't predict where the story goes, making it impossible to intelligently split the discs by storyline (which is really the only intelligent way to split a sandbox game).HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="aia89"] a console - in 2010 - without HDD is like a pizza without anything on it. Arach666

[QUOTE="fun-da-mental"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
And those two games being entirely irrelevant to the discussion in this thread. The PS3 version of RDR requires an install. My point has always been, DVD9 drive >>> Blu-ray drive when read speed comes into play... no matter how much greater storage it offers.

HuusAsking

Again , PS3 didn't mandate the Install, Developer did. Why? probably because PS3 has HD on all models 360 doesn't. Installs helps loading faster. Ever wonder why nearly all PC games requires HD installs?

I don't know, ask Rockstar. May be because they are too are lazy/incompetent to write code that buffers data instead of Install? Games like Uncharted, GOW3 runs fine without install, even Ninja Gaiden Sigma has optional install.

[QUOTE="aia89"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]PCs have standard hard drives (because they're required to install the OS). Installs are also usually required (a no-no for a console with potentially no hard drive).HuusAsking

I happen to be italian, so yeah I had lots of focacce and pizze and I can tell you that they're not the same thing at all.

Rockstar knew the DVD9 was a problem from the beginning of GTA4 development, but the biggest fault of the X360 is'nt the DVD9 alone, but it's not having a HDD in all X360's.

Games from the start of this generation has been pushing the 6.7GB on the X360 to it's limits, but if we look at the last generation, the games varied from 500MB in the start of the generation, to 5GB in the end. And it all could be done on one disc. Disc swapping should have ended last generation in my opinion.

Why not just save developers and yourself all the trouble, yes multi discs is not much of a problem but there are certain things that makes it a problem and why not just adapt to Blu Ray?

Why would you bother with multi discs when you can just adapt blu ray and eliminate disc swapping?

Why would you bother with multi discs when you can just adapt blu ray and eliminate disc swapping?def_mode

For a couple of reasons.

Costs being the first one. I don't think we need to start talking about how much the high price has hurted Sony this gen.

The second one being the little relevance of the "issue". The number of games that need more than one disc is practically non-existant.

Why not just save developers and yourself all the trouble, yes multi discs is not much of a problem but there are certain things that makes it a problem and why not just adapt to Blu Ray?

Why would you bother with multi discs when you can just adapt blu ray and eliminate disc swapping?

def_mode

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

I never saw dvd9's to be a problem, until I read this article

I agree 100% with the rockstar guy when he "complains" about the xbox 360 arcades which are not equipped with a HDD. It's stupid imo, they should only sell 360's with a harddisk, but I think it's too late, since they should have done it already at the beginning of this gen. there are many people who only own an arcade and of course you can't force them to buy a hdd to play a certain game.

I don't think bluray is essential, but I think sony exclusives took advantage of it thanks to the much higher storage than a dvd9.

This sentence is the key imo "If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller. I think that issue's on the table with a bunch of games right now. I'm sure they'll come through with an intelligent solution."

What kind of "intelligent solution" do you think Microsoft you come through with? Flash drives??

Multiple discs?

[QUOTE="def_mode"]

Why not just save developers and yourself all the trouble, yes multi discs is not much of a problem but there are certain things that makes it a problem and why not just adapt to Blu Ray?

Why would you bother with multi discs when you can just adapt blu ray and eliminate disc swapping?

pitty8982

that OR, they forced DVD9 so that dlc will be a must and make more profits.

I know, I blame MS for this, if they had been thinking of the future, developers wouldnt suffer as much and who knows...we might not see as much DLC/rip offs as we do now.def_mode

[QUOTE="def_mode"] I know, I blame MS for this, if they had been thinking of the future, developers wouldnt suffer as much and who knows...we might not see as much DLC/rip offs as we do now.IronBass

Well MS has opened the world of greed, I wouldn't be surprised because MS is greedy themselves too. They are the main reason why we are getting charged off map packs and some updates. They are also the reason why we are getting charged off themes and avatars. This is not rocket science, if companies so possibilities, they will do it. MS opened that window for them by charging for dlc, Gears of War for an example, devs wants to give it away but MS wanted to make profit out of it, now everyone jumped on the greed train. def_mode

I don't want to sound rude, but you didn't answer my question, so I'll ask again:

How many pieces of DLC exist because of DVD limitations?

[QUOTE="def_mode"] Well MS has opened the world of greed, I wouldn't be surprised because MS is greedy themselves too. They are the main reason why we are getting charged off map packs and some updates. They are also the reason why we are getting charged off themes and avatars. This is not rocket science, if companies so possibilities, they will do it. MS opened that window for them by charging for dlc, Gears of War for an example, devs wants to give it away but MS wanted to make profit out of it, now everyone jumped on the greed train. IronBass

rockstar or any dev working with 360 should understand that well they dont have to include arcade owners into their thinking if they dont want to.xbox360isgr8t

Sounds like the issue is 360 games arn't allowed to have mandatory installs. Forza 3 comes close, but it' still playable without the second disk. Probably afraid someone will sue someone. Also, pen drives? Er that's not really a viable option for many reasons, including cost. If pen drives were cost effective why bother installing a disk drive which makes the console about 1/5 bigger? Using it as a hard drive might be possible if MS allow it, but even then it's still not provided with the console. This isn't an issue yet, but it does seem to be the case that MS made a mistake with the Arcade model. Still MS don't have a crystal ball (As far as I'm aware, otherwise they wouldn't have to steal other peoples technology, ha!) so you can't really blame them for providing the option. If things change MS might finally have to reduce the cost of their hard drives. Not a bad thing.

I'm basically saying space limitations caused dlcdef_mode

[QUOTE="Metroid_Other_M"]

I never saw dvd9's to be a problem, until I read this article

I agree 100% with the rockstar guy when he "complains" about the xbox 360 arcades which are not equipped with a HDD. It's stupid imo, they should only sell 360's with a harddisk, but I think it's too late, since they should have done it already at the beginning of this gen. there are many people who only own an arcade and of course you can't force them to buy a hdd to play a certain game.

I don't think bluray is essential, but I think sony exclusives took advantage of it thanks to the much higher storage than a dvd9.

This sentence is the key imo "If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller. I think that issue's on the table with a bunch of games right now. I'm sure they'll come through with an intelligent solution."

What kind of "intelligent solution" do you think Microsoft you come through with? Flash drives??

ArcticWolf77

Multiple discs?

That does not solve the problem, only create a new one.