Emily Rogers: NX console is not x86, blows

Welp.

After speaking to seven different people this week, I can say with confidence that this is false. NX isnot using x86 architecture like PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. The NX has special, custom-made chips and the overall design of the hardware is very modern. The chips are industry leading because they are very modern chips, but having modern chips doesn’t necessarily mean Nintendo is aiming to create the most powerful hardware on the market. Furthermore, any rumors on “Polaris chips” and “Polaris architecture” regarding NX is wacky. There’s a good reason why those discussions are wacky.

In terms of raw power, numerous sources tell me that NX is much closer to Xbox One than PlayStation 4. Even that might be stretching it a tiny bit.Anyone who is claiming that NX is “two times the power of PS4 GPU” is being misled by their sources. Based on what I’ve heard, I don’t believe the NX will compete directly with PS4 (Neo) / PS4K in raw power.

https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/so-about-nx/

Nintendo had a run.

I dunno about this. Rumors and more Rumors. But it's from Emily Rodgers.....

If this is true, then......Why even replace the Wii U, Nintendo?

What's funnier is that there's another rumor that the NX handheld will use a Tegra SoC, making it faster than Wii U.

Wellllll as long as they can support the console themselves it can still be great, and Nintendo can do a lot with weaker hardware. Still wouldn't treat her word as fact, don't see a reason to.

Plus it most likely will have a better cpu at the very least.

whelp those first batch of rumors were true then. (about NX being Weaker)

GG Nintendo you tried.

Another rumor

I don't think being powerful matters much as long as it is strong enough to get some current gen games.I think their vision for the platform matters more than how powerful it is.

Still not worth it though. Launching a new system when it's no better than the Wii U? (Weaker than Xbone isn't better no matter what it can do)

Assuming this rumor is true. (Which I hope it isn't)

That won't be enough. The WiiU got Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty around the same time the other consoles did and gamers didn't bite because some website said it wasn't pretty enough.

Arcadegirl64... Someone is looking for some clicks?

RIP in peace nintendo, if true.

Because it's gonna be a handheld. A handheld that is slightly more/less powerful than WiiU which would be pretty much in line with the latest smartphones more or less.

The design isn't just because its modern, its just they have no way of manufacturing optical disc drives as they aren't as popular and the time and money to make one is too much. Microsoft can find someone who will do it and Sony makes their own, naturally.

I'm not sure if it was announced they won't take discs but I'm pretty sure they wont do it.

This article was kind of expected though, I'm just waiting for the announcement with the details.

EDIT: The people who are saying its portable, think about it though... Isn't a Wii U a portable system with more power? If you really wanted to you can play a game on the gamepad without a tv. The concept is kind of dumb to begin with, you end up paying for a second screen when you could just play on your 3ds instead and maybe the NX is taking that stupid concept and turning it into something a little more meaningful.

Just a thought but the gamepad wasn't very revolutionary and it wasn't interesting enough like the motion controls were.

I hope that this is false. I would really like a powerful Nintendo console. In fact, that's probably the only thing that could get me onboard with the NX. Well, that or maybe if it releases at, or drops very quickly to, a $199 price point. The low price is, afterall, one of only two factors that led to the Wii's massive success...

She's reliable, at least int he past couple of years. She was a mess pre-Wii U launch though, so the's not really proven yet when it comes to hardware rumors.

Reading is hard, huh?

Being able to run modern engines would be a hell of a lot better than Wii U. It could still get really bad versions of some ports then. Sounds more like it'll be on-par or slight better though.

Lol, what a joke if true.

Sigh....it's like they don't want to even try anymore.

LMAO, if true this is going to be hilarious. Nintendo you just never learn do you?

OMG RIP, i was looking forward to a powerful Ninty console, i miss the N64 days (yes bottlenecked but i don't care)

@NFJSupreme:

Yep. These rumours are tiresome. I want to know what it is already.

I don't mind. A Nintendo console with near Xbox One power, is good enough for a Nintendo console imo.

I've lost trust in Emily Rogers a few months ago. I feel like the more rumors we get, the more negative feedback Nintendo gets because everyone on the Internet is so gullible. I don't trust anyone except SuperMetalDave64 about the NX.

Also, why is everyone saying that she said the Zelda Wii U/NX dual release? SuperMetalDave said that MONTHS ago, and yet he gets no credit at all. Another reason I don't like her anymore.

Edit: BTW! There is that supplemental device patent that could increase the power of the NX. (If that patent will come with it). So this would be a good idea: cheap console, device to bump it up to 4K for $59. Boom! problem solved.

close to XBO is good if its a console-handheld hybrid

So, we might be seeing a $249.99 price for the NX if its really worse than XB1 in performance. Seriously, what is Nintendo even thinking? This is just Wii U all over again.

Reading comments, power has become the be all end all it seems. I see the issue if they cant get current gen games on it from 3rd party as a result but I didn't think being more powerful than PS4 was going to be the key anyway.

Waste of $$$ true or not.I wish Nintendo loses it's shirt.

The lack of hardware power was at least a decent chunk as to why the Wii-U failed as badly as it did. That was basically reason 1a as to why gamers and 3rd parties looked at it and basically shunned it from the start. Timing was bad too. Bad timing + weak hardware + lack of games was basically trifecta of doom for the Wii-U for it's first few years (and Nintendo took no action to change course to try to save the Wii-U, like they did when they aggressively repriced the 3DS).

If Nintendo releases NX again *AFTER* the PS4 Neo, and it's weaker than hardware from 2013.... then Nintendo would basically be repeating 2 of the main 3 factors that doomed the Wii-U. It would, quite literally, be insane. Maybe there is a gimmick that I'm not imagining that people will latch onto. Motion controls were a hit. Shoddy tablet controller was a miss. But I really wish Nintendo would focus on making quality hardware, instead of on gimmicks to try and compensate for cheap hardware. If it leaks out the hardware is really weak again, that strongly suggests the "gimmick" route.

Depending on how much more powerful the Neo is, I would say it the NX has to at least be between the PS4 and Neo. It doesn't necessarily have to be better than Neo (although that would be nice!). If it's weaker than XB1, that would be an epic failure on Nintendo's part. I don't care what gimmick they bring to the table, the XB1 is already criticized for being too weak and that console is going on 3 years old.

To release a console weaker than the 3 year old competition, and potentially miles weaker than the PS4 Neo would be a devastating mistake IMO. Would it be OK for a few Nintendo games? Sure. But it would still be restrictive for Nintendo games, and also would cripple 3rd parties.... leaving basically no hope that the console would ever be accepted as a mainstream console. Once again Nintendo's only hope would be as a hit or miss gimmick machine. It seems insane to intentionally position the machine that way rather than going straight up for market dominance.

If true then bye bye Nintendo.

AMD leveraged their X86 core R&D and built their own ARMv8 ISA compatible solution.

AMD has recycled 29K RISC CPU for K5 (X86-32) i.e. translates X86 into 29K like RISC hybrid.

Guess you don't need power for stomping on mushroom heads and driving go-karts.

When you release three years later and are still the weakest your product is garbage. Sorry Nintendo.

@ronvalencia said:

@techhog89 said:

Welp.

After speaking to seven different people this week, I can say with confidence that this is false. NX isnot using x86 architecture like PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. The NX has special, custom-made chips and the overall design of the hardware is very modern. The chips are industry leading because they are very modern chips, but having modern chips doesn’t necessarily mean Nintendo is aiming to create the most powerful hardware on the market. Furthermore, any rumors on “Polaris chips” and “Polaris architecture” regarding NX is wacky. There’s a good reason why those discussions are wacky.

In terms of raw power, numerous sources tell me that NX is much closer to Xbox One than PlayStation 4. Even that might be stretching it a tiny bit.Anyone who is claiming that NX is “two times the power of PS4 GPU” is being misled by their sources. Based on what I’ve heard, I don’t believe the NX will compete directly with PS4 (Neo) / PS4K in raw power.

https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/so-about-nx/

Nintendo had a run.

Oh look, it's the guy who impulsively posts images. What's up man?

NX won't use K12. That's optimized for servers, as the image clearly says. Also, according to another rumor Tegra is being used for the handheld. Thus, we might see Maxwell and an A72 in the console.

@techhog89 said:

@ronvalencia said:

@techhog89 said:

Welp.

After speaking to seven different people this week, I can say with confidence that this is false. NX isnot using x86 architecture like PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. The NX has special, custom-made chips and the overall design of the hardware is very modern. The chips are industry leading because they are very modern chips, but having modern chips doesn’t necessarily mean Nintendo is aiming to create the most powerful hardware on the market. Furthermore, any rumors on “Polaris chips” and “Polaris architecture” regarding NX is wacky. There’s a good reason why those discussions are wacky.

In terms of raw power, numerous sources tell me that NX is much closer to Xbox One than PlayStation 4. Even that might be stretching it a tiny bit.Anyone who is claiming that NX is “two times the power of PS4 GPU” is being misled by their sources. Based on what I’ve heard, I don’t believe the NX will compete directly with PS4 (Neo) / PS4K in raw power.

https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/so-about-nx/

Nintendo had a run.

Oh look, it's the guy who impulsively posts images. What's up man?

NX won't use K12. That's optimized for servers, as the image clearly says. Also, according to another rumor Tegra is being used for the handheld. Thus, we might see Maxwell and an A72 in the console.

You missed "Embedded Applications" for K12.

Please share your link for Nintendo's Tegra

So I got in a conversation about Ninty with someone with even less gaming knowledge than me and they're saying it sounds like Nibtendo doesn't want games other than their brand to be on their console.

Does that sound crazy at this point?

They seem to be going against the grain every step of the way.

Anyone have any defense for that?

@ronvalencia said:

@techhog89 said:

@ronvalencia said:

@techhog89 said:

Welp.

After speaking to seven different people this week, I can say with confidence that this is false. NX isnot using x86 architecture like PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. The NX has special, custom-made chips and the overall design of the hardware is very modern. The chips are industry leading because they are very modern chips, but having modern chips doesn’t necessarily mean Nintendo is aiming to create the most powerful hardware on the market. Furthermore, any rumors on “Polaris chips” and “Polaris architecture” regarding NX is wacky. There’s a good reason why those discussions are wacky.

In terms of raw power, numerous sources tell me that NX is much closer to Xbox One than PlayStation 4. Even that might be stretching it a tiny bit.Anyone who is claiming that NX is “two times the power of PS4 GPU” is being misled by their sources. Based on what I’ve heard, I don’t believe the NX will compete directly with PS4 (Neo) / PS4K in raw power.

https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/so-about-nx/

Nintendo had a run.

Oh look, it's the guy who impulsively posts images. What's up man?

NX won't use K12. That's optimized for servers, as the image clearly says. Also, according to another rumor Tegra is being used for the handheld. Thus, we might see Maxwell and an A72 in the console.

You missed "Embedded Applications" for K12.

While true, it's mostly referring to servers, trust me. It's optimized for gaming. I'm not ruling AMD out, but K12 is less likely than A72 or A57.

@thendefender: You trust SuperMetalDave? LoL

Dude made a video saying that pretry much for sure Nintendo was using Polaris and that no way was PS4K using Polaris. He is very knowledgable but man is he a humungous Ninty fanboy, but not just a fanboy but an unrelenting one at that. In his eyes Nintendo is perfect.

The Wii was a very weak console and it generally delivered superior and beautiful games regardless.

@techhog89 said:

@ronvalencia said:

@techhog89 said:

@ronvalencia said:

Oh look, it's the guy who impulsively posts images. What's up man?

NX won't use K12. That's optimized for servers, as the image clearly says. Also, according to another rumor Tegra is being used for the handheld. Thus, we might see Maxwell and an A72 in the console.

You missed "Embedded Applications" for K12.

While true, it's mostly referring to servers, trust me. It's optimized for gaming. I'm not ruling AMD out, but K12 is less likely than A72 or A57.

With Polaris removed, NX's rumor with 900p indicates Bonaire class GCN. AMD has A57 with Opteron A1100 on 28 nm process node(1).

NX could leverage FX-8800p's GCN i.e. Tonga GCN with 8 CU scale that includes improved tessellation hardware, ROPS delta compression, H.265 8bit support.

Reference

1. http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/221282-amds-first-arm-based-processor-the-opteron-a1100-is-finally-here

No wonder they are skipping E3. Xbone was a laughing stock in 2013 and now Nintendo wants to release a weaker console over 3 years later. Not to mention Sony and probably M$ will be releasing more powerful iterations of PS4 and Xbone before NX even launches.

It is fine, all Nintendo fans will suck it up, Nintendo maybe even add some new amiibo toys, lol

Sheeps love those happy meal toys.

Exactly... I don't think the success of the NX will be based on how more/less powerful it is compared to PS4/XB1. Other areas such as their 1st party lineup & 3rd party support are a lot more important... as is whether it's an actual console that people want to own.

Watching Nathan Jones or whatever sitting eating Cheerios with his wife is boring compared to Mario jump from galaxy to galaxy, graphics won't change that.

Won't it be cheaper in 2017 to use polaris etc than piss poor console bits from console which was put Together in 2012?

It should surpass p's neo ffs it rumours are true on NX. Matters which you pay attention too.

I'MO > £320 NX CONSOLE should be least 3x stronger than PS4 and stronger than p's neo.

Should I wait for GEOW 4 or buy a X1

There is reports that the handheld will be using an Nvidia SoC which kinda gives Emily's rumor more credibility as Nvidia use ARM Cores in their SoCs.

Looks like there might not be a NX home console as we traditionally think of it. The Gamepad will be the console/handheld hybrid. It will be pretty much a bit more powerful than the Wii U, but powerful enough for Nintendo AAA games and mobile titles. Nintendo will yet again not be relying on third party AAA games. They are mainly aiming this as an inexpensive secondary console/handheld hybrid to get your Nintendo fix and not compete directly with the PS4/XB1. Probably will retail for $199.99 - $249.99 tops.

Your dream of Nintendo having the most powerful console is dead. PS4K is in the house.

@ronvalencia said:

@techhog89 said:

@ronvalencia said:

@techhog89 said:

@ronvalencia said:

Oh look, it's the guy who impulsively posts images. What's up man?

NX won't use K12. That's optimized for servers, as the image clearly says. Also, according to another rumor Tegra is being used for the handheld. Thus, we might see Maxwell and an A72 in the console.

You missed "Embedded Applications" for K12.

While true, it's mostly referring to servers, trust me. It's optimized for gaming. I'm not ruling AMD out, but K12 is less likely than A72 or A57.

With Polaris removed, NX's rumor with 900p indicates Bonaire class GCN. AMD has A57 with Opteron A1100 on 28 nm process node(1).

NX could leverage FX-8800p's GCN i.e. Tonga GCN with 8 CU scale that includes improved tessellation hardware, ROPS delta compression, H.265 8bit support.

Reference

1. http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/221282-amds-first-arm-based-processor-the-opteron-a1100-is-finally-here

The 900p thing wasn't from a source that had any info or understood consoles. Use your head a bit. The console obviously isn't going to limited to 900p max. Even if you insist that it was a "legit rumor," it said 900p 60FPS, which takes more power to run than 1080p30 like most PS4 games.