Enslaved Odysey to the West. does it EXPOSE 360 Devs as LAZY?

Like many of you who have already downloaded the Namco/ Nija Theory demo of enslaved onto your 360's yesterday, i was shocked to '' as a friend of mine put it '' find a PS3 game'' running on my xbox 360.

i found the statement odd as i and a few others have ALWAYS known what the ATI graphics chip inside the 360 was capable of WAY back in 2006.

also Enslaved has been unfairly compaired to UNCHARTED 2, with many Sony fans acknowledging Ninja Theorys amazing work as great, but coming short of Uncharted 2's lofty goals in the visuals department.

i think this is just a Knee Jerk reaction to the fact that a former PS3 exclusive developer has clearly made a game as visually stunning as Uncharted 2, but its runing ( and arguably runing BETTER ) on the 360 hardware.

this is an unfair assesment as UC2 and Enslaved are two different games entirely and should be judged on their own merits.

both games use gorgeous high rez textures and look phenominal, but thats as far as the comparisons should go.

ninja theory and irrational games ( Bioshock Infinite ) should be credited with reviving a long thought dead game engine ( Unreal 3 engine ) and producing Amazing Visuals.

the real blow being dealt though is to all the 360 development houses ( Bungie and Epic excluded ) who have languished in mediocrity the past 3 years while PS3 developers have pushed forward with new game engines and new visual fidelity.( Killzone 2, Uncharted 2 etc..)

now this year we will see Castlevania lord of shadows, Enslaved and next year Bioshock Infinity and RAGE, which push the XBOX 360 further than weve ever seen, ( castlevanias graphics in particular are beyond even what Ninja Theory has done with enslaved ).

my question is why did it take this long, and why did the 360 developers take the quick and easy approach instead of pushing the ATI GPU in the 360 to the hieghts we are now seeing?

( we know the answer was money as 360 software has traditionaly made WAY more revenue than its PS3 brethren ) but why shortchange the 360 audience with mediocre visuals when clearly the game ENSLAVED Exposes the 360 as bieng able to do WAY MORE.

to me NINJA THEORY has just laid the guantlet down for Gears of War 3 and every other 360 game in the forseeable future.

Rare release pretty good games graphically(excluding the Kinect ones), Turn 10 also.

While Enslaved does look great, it's a linear action title with gorgeous visuals. Reach has a load of AI on screen in big open levels & still looks & stellar while running silky smooth. Same can be said for Gears (which is top tier in the console graphics department).

Edit: What I'm getting at is not all devs push the 360 in the visuals department over other areas. Besides, if giving up a bit of graphical superiority means it will be released within a reasonable time limit (GT5 & FFvs13, I'm looking at you), I'd happily choose that option.

While Enslaved does look great, it's a linear action title with gorgeous visuals. Reach has a load of AI on screen in big open levels & still looks & stellar while running silky smooth. Same can be said for Gears.

Twin-Blade

Enslaved isnt even in the same league as Uncharted 2.ThePsTriple

[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Enslaved isnt even in the same league as Uncharted 2.Fightingfan

At this point eryone should know that the fact most 360 exclusives are not graphical powerhouses is nothing more or less than a design choice. Some ppl still prefer to believe that it´s not a capable machine but fortunatly games like RDR, Reach and future ones like Gears3 and Rage already proved them wrong.

The only one to blame is MS. MS does not invest enough in 1st party studios that have the time and money to spend on these advanced graphics engines. 3rd parties will work on finding a balance between profitablity and portability (to multiple systems) so that means they will rarely push the graphical boundaries of any console.

[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

While Enslaved does look great, it's a linear action title with gorgeous visuals. Reach has a load of AI on screen in big open levels & still looks & stellar while running silky smooth. Same can be said for Gears.

Fightingfan

Wipeout HD says "Hello!"

um...Unfairly?

Dude how can I NOT compare Enslaved to the PS3 classic that is Uncharted 2?

How the Character Walks/Runs, The way the Main character Talks with the "Oh crap!" or "Oh not again!" or "NOT NOW!" attitude.

The Climbing....Heck the game really positions itself with In Game Cutscenes to give just about the same experience I had from the Uncharted Series.

Except, it's not a Treasure Hunt Story like Indiana Jones or National Treasure, It's an Journey to the West Story, Heck the Main Character looks like a Monkey and He has a Staff as a weapon, heck the Title has Odessey to the West in It so you know what the story is going to be about most likely.

But still in my opinion Enslaved is going to have about the same Quality that the Uncharted series has, but don't get Mad, Remember this is a multiplat game meaning just about anyone whether they have a PS3 or 360 can enjoy this title.

Limbo 1080p native, dont know frame rate, but it looks awesome. sts106mat

I think it's 30 Frames.

I don't think it is quite on par with the likes of Uncharted 2, but it certainly is one of the more impressive looking multiplats out there. Regardless, I played the demo on the 360 and that is the version that I am getting. My PS3 is going to get a nice workout from Lords of Shadow.

I don't think it is quite on par with the likes of Uncharted 2, but it certainly is one of the more impressive looking multiplats out there. Regardless, I played the demo on the 360 and that is the version that I am getting. My PS3 is going to get a nice workout from Lords of Shadow.

ironcreed

Same here man.

MS does not have engines and 1st party technical power to push system further.Only devs who can do it are ID,Crytek and Epic(though they have UE3...)...360 greatest bottleneck is Microsoft itself.

Wait, so when did people compaire Enslaved to Uncharted 2 and say it was equal or better? was it in this thread just now thay you just made? Some people really need to get over it. PS3 is more powerful than 360

also enslaved does not look better than uncharted 2. I have a PS3 and a 360. Do you have a PS3 Thread starter??

I don't think it is quite on par with the likes of Uncharted 2, but it certainly is one of the more impressive looking multiplats out there. Regardless, I played the demo on the 360 and that is the version that I am getting. My PS3 is going to get a nice workout from Lords of Shadow.

ironcreed

I agree with this tho.

People really need to stop trying to grasp on anything new that comesout on xbox360 as the new gfx king just becuse it looks good. it really exposes the fact that you actually haven't played the best looking games on PS3

Enslaved isnt even in the same league as Uncharted 2.ThePsTriple

lol. yeah bungie and epic are like Oh woe is us! we are swimming in money, and sales, and users, and scores...we are just so unfullfilled with the amazingness of Killzone 2 and uncharted...we wish we had their sales numbers, and user base size....wait....

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]

While Enslaved does look great, it's a linear action title with gorgeous visuals. Reach has a load of AI on screen in big open levels & still looks & stellar while running silky smooth. Same can be said for Gears.

-Grieves-

Wipeout HD says "Hello!"

The only one to blame is MS. MS does not invest enough in 1st party studios that have the time and money to spend on these advanced graphics engines. 3rd parties will work on finding a balance between profitablity and portability (to multiple systems) so that means they will rarely push the graphical boundaries of any console.

EG101

[QUOTE="EG101"]

The only one to blame is MS. MS does not invest enough in 1st party studios that have the time and money to spend on these advanced graphics engines. 3rd parties will work on finding a balance between profitablity and portability (to multiple systems) so that means they will rarely push the graphical boundaries of any console.

dreman999

While Enslaved does look great, it's a linear action title with gorgeous visuals. Reach has a load of AI on screen in big open levels & still looks & stellar while running silky smooth. Same can be said for Gears (which is top tier in the console graphics department).

Edit: What I'm getting at is not all devs push the 360 in the visuals department over other areas. Besides, if giving up a bit of graphical superiority means it will be released within a reasonable time limit (GT5 & FFvs13, I'm looking at you), I'd happily choose that option.

Twin-Blade

I love Reach but It does not have silky smooth frame rate. Silky smooth would be 60FPS, acceptable would be 30FPS locked, but there are many occasions were the Frame rate drops well below 30FPS and it is noticeble. From a Tech perspective Reach is not that impressive, The Enem AI is good, but the freindly AI is awful, there are lots of bad textures and the game is in Sub-HD with framerate problems. Not the consoles fault more from a Developers end.

lol. yeah bungie and epic are like Oh woe is us! we are swimming in money, and sales, and users, and scores...we are just so unfullfilled with the amazingness of Killzone 2 and uncharted...we wish we had their sales numbers, and user base size....wait....

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Enslaved isnt even in the same league as Uncharted 2.Dead-Memories

People just don't want to believe that Enslaved can have the same quality as Uncharted 2.

which is how its always been. I cant figure out how people can be under the iliusion that the mainstream is the ""core"" games, the ""core"" audiance. the main stream is the casual, the multiplatform. Casuals outnumber ""cores"" 2000/1 The 1st party? the exclusive? these are the niche, the pushing of boundaries is based in the multiplatform, the 3rd party the rest of the industry is not looking to spend the money it takes to build another Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2. All advancement is based in the applicable which is built in the casual realm not the core.WilliamRLBaker

Pushing boundaries isn't restricted by any artificial delineation - both multiplatform and exclusive developers can/do push boundaries on the 6 platforms.

And developers like id and Crytek spend bucketloads of time and money making things pretty.

lol I laughed when you said it looks as good as uncharted.. It sooo does notRenzokucant

hahaha as good as UC2? Only in lemming's dreams.mystervj

Now people are just in denail here.

[QUOTE="Renzokucant"]lol I laughed when you said it looks as good as uncharted.. It sooo does notLegatoSkyheart

hahaha as good as UC2? Only in lemming's dreams.mystervj

Now people are just in denail here.

Elslaved uses the Unreal engine... and it shows.

It's a great looking game but even Heavenly Sword looks better.

Sorry, No.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Enslaved isnt even in the same league as Uncharted 2.LegatoSkyheart

People just don't want to believe that Enslaved can have the same quality as Uncharted 2.

it's not a question of "can have's"and "believing"tho, it's a question of wheather it actually is or isn't in the same league as Uncharted 2. It's a question of who's making the claim itself.

1. First of all who is making this claim to begin with? is it a game journlist? an unafiliated developer? a game website? or a xbox360 fanboy who desperately wants to make a game on 360 be equal to what PS3 is capable of?

a. if it's any of the first three please post a link so we can examine their argument

b. if it's the last(xbox360 fanboy) we can just disregard this

2.Can/ could be/ might have done/ some day my be possible/ are all claims that nothing in an arguement when there is nothing to prove it. xbox360 and PS3 have diffrent hardware FACT. They have diffrent capabilities regardless of how close their relative power may be FACT. And one is proven to consistantly produce the best graphics on consoles FACT.

3. Enslaved looking good dose not mean 360 is a powerful as PS3 nor that it looks as good as UC2, it means you probably haven't played uncharted 2.

4. Refer back to #1. who is making this claim?

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]which is how its always been. I cant figure out how people can be under the iliusion that the mainstream is the ""core"" games, the ""core"" audiance. the main stream is the casual, the multiplatform. Casuals outnumber ""cores"" 2000/1 The 1st party? the exclusive? these are the niche, the pushing of boundaries is based in the multiplatform, the 3rd party the rest of the industry is not looking to spend the money it takes to build another Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2. All advancement is based in the applicable which is built in the casual realm not the core.shinrabanshou

Pushing boundaries isn't restricted by any artificial delineation - both multiplatform and exclusive developers can/do push boundaries on the 6 platforms.

And developers like id and Crytek spend bucketloads of time and money making things pretty.

They are the exception not the rule. How many games have Id and Crytek released for PS3 and 360? Look at all of the PS3's best games graphically, the majority are Sony funded games same thing with Nintendo and MS. Mass Effect was funded by MS samething with Gears, Banjo and Forza3. Only a few 3rd parties will push those boundaries.

Elslaved uses the Unreal engine... and it shows.

It's a great looking game but even Heavenly Sword looks better.

Sorry, No.

SolidSiems

Oh you're talking Graphics here? I'm talking about Gameplay, Like How Enslaved would use the same techniques that I saw in Uncharted.

it's not a question of "can have's"and "believing"tho, it's a question of wheather it is or isn't in the same league as Uncharted 2. It's a question of who's making the claim itself.

1. First of all who is making this claim to begin with? is it a game journlist? an unafiliated developer? a game website? or a xbox360 fanboy who desperately wants to make a game on 360 be equal to what PS3has been able to acheive?

a. if it's any of the first three please post a link so we can examine their argument

b. if it's the last(xbox360 fanboy) we can just disregard this

2.Can/ could be/ might have done/ some day my be possible/ are all claims that nothing in an arguement when there is nothing to prove it. xbox360 and PS3 have diffrent hardware FACT. They have diffrent capabilities regardless of how close their relative power may be FACT. And one is prove to consistantly produce better graphics than the other over the past couple of years FACT.

3. Enslaved looking good dose not mean 360 is a powerful as PS3 nor that it looks as good as UC2, it means you probablyhaven't played uncharted 2.

4. Refer back to #1. who is making this claim?

Final_attack321

ok

I'm making this Claim because I played the Enslaved Demo and I've also Played both Uncharted Games and the Gameplay just reminds me of Uncharted and how they executed the In Game Cutscenes to Gameplay and such It just reminds me of Uncharted a bit. It's not because Some Website said it, It's not because some Xbox 360 fanboy just wants Uncharted 2 for his 360 and wants to claim ownage, It's not because of a Developer, Not because of a Journalist.

It's because I have played the Uncharted series and I have played the Enslaved Demo and I see the Similarities in both games.

If you don't see the Similarities then I suggest you play the Uncharted games again and then the Enslaved Demo.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="ThePsTriple"]Enslaved isnt even in the same league as Uncharted 2.LegatoSkyheart

People just don't want to believe that Enslaved can have the same quality as Uncharted 2.

It could but from I played and saw, it's not "there" however the final product can always surprise us.:)

LOLWUT. Enslaved is NO Uncharted 2.

you played the demo, and say that it looks as good as UC2? the Enslaved demo barely ran at 30 fps, while UC2 constantly run 35-40+ fps all the time.

also, Heavenly Sword looks much better than Enslaved.

[QUOTE="Final_attack321"]

it's not a question of "can have's"and "believing"tho, it's a question of wheather it is or isn't in the same league as Uncharted 2. It's a question of who's making the claim itself.

1. First of all who is making this claim to begin with? is it a game journlist? an unafiliated developer? a game website? or a xbox360 fanboy who desperately wants to make a game on 360 be equal to what PS3has been able to acheive?

a. if it's any of the first three please post a link so we can examine their argument

b. if it's the last(xbox360 fanboy) we can just disregard this

2.Can/ could be/ might have done/ some day my be possible/ are all claims that nothing in an arguement when there is nothing to prove it. xbox360 and PS3 have diffrent hardware FACT. They have diffrent capabilities regardless of how close their relative power may be FACT. And one is prove to consistantly produce better graphics than the other over the past couple of years FACT.

3. Enslaved looking good dose not mean 360 is a powerful as PS3 nor that it looks as good as UC2, it means you probablyhaven't played uncharted 2.

4. Refer back to #1. who is making this claim?

LegatoSkyheart

ok

I'm making this Claim because I played the Enslaved Demo and I've also Played both Uncharted Games and the Gameplay just reminds me of Uncharted and how they executed the In Game Cutscenes to Gameplay and such It just reminds me of Uncharted a bit. It's not because Some Website said it, It's not because some Xbox 360 fanboy just wants Uncharted 2 for his 360 and wants to claim ownage, It's not because of a Developer, Not because of a Journalist.

It's because I have played the Uncharted series and I have played the Enslaved Demo and I see the Similarities in both games.

If you don't see the Similarities then I suggest you play the Uncharted games again and then the Enslaved Demo.

It really does have many similarities and Uncharted 2 was the first thing that I actually thought of after seeing the monkey dude jump.:P Some of the action while using your staff reminds me of a mix of UC2 and inFamous 2. The in-game cutscenes also have many similarities to UC2.

LOLWUT. Enslaved is NO Uncharted 2.

you played the demo, and say that it looks as good as UC2? the Enslaved demo barely ran at 30 fps, while UC2 constantly run 35-40+ fps all the time.

also, Heavenly Sword looks much better than Enslaved.

rawr89

LOL 35~40 wut?

It stays at constant 30 from what I observed while planning and checking out on eurogamer.

It really does have many similarities and Uncharted 2 was the first thing that I actually thought of after seeing the monkey dude jump.:P Some of the action while using your staff reminds me of a mix of UC2 and inFamous 2. The in-game cutscenes also have many similarities to UC2.

sanim02

That's exactly what I'm talking about!

LOLWUT. Enslaved is NO Uncharted 2.

you played the demo, and say that it looks as good as UC2? the Enslaved demo barely ran at 30 fps, while UC2 constantly run 35-40+ fps all the time.

also, Heavenly Sword looks much better than Enslaved.

rawr89

Wait, You're saying that the difference between Uncharted 2 and Enslaved are the Frame Rates? That's not much of a difference there dude.

Oh you're talking Graphics here? I'm talking about Gameplay, Like How Enslaved would use the same techniques that I saw in Uncharted.

LegatoSkyheart

Yes i was thinking about the Gfx.

Agreed Enslaved does have similar cinematic gameplay (from the demo), but the platforming and jumping feels a bit off, still not on UC2 level.

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

It really does have many similarities and Uncharted 2 was the first thing that I actually thought of after seeing the monkey dude jump.:P Some of the action while using your staff reminds me of a mix of UC2 and inFamous 2. The in-game cutscenes also have many similarities to UC2.

LegatoSkyheart

That's exactly what I'm talking about!

People should play the demo before assuming thing... It's on PSN as well.:P

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Oh you're talking Graphics here? I'm talking about Gameplay, Like How Enslaved would use the same techniques that I saw in Uncharted.

SolidSiems

Yes i was thinking about the Gfx.

Agreed Enslaved does have similar cinematic gameplay (from the demo), but the platforming and jumping feels a bit off, still not on UC2 level.

I don't know when I first played Uncharted, the Running and Walking felt a bit off.

The Jumping exactly reminds me of Uncharted.

[QUOTE="rawr89"]

LOLWUT. Enslaved is NO Uncharted 2.

you played the demo, and say that it looks as good as UC2? the Enslaved demo barely ran at 30 fps, while UC2 constantly run 35-40+ fps all the time.

also, Heavenly Sword looks much better than Enslaved.

sanim02

LOL 35~40 wut?

LOL i was thinking of GoW3. what i meant to say was UC2 ran at a constant 30 fps. besides, Enslaved doesn't look and run as good as UC2.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Oh you're talking Graphics here? I'm talking about Gameplay, Like How Enslaved would use the same techniques that I saw in Uncharted.

SolidSiems

Yes i was thinking about the Gfx.

Agreed Enslaved does have similar cinematic gameplay (from the demo), but the platforming and jumping feels a bit off, still not on UC2 level.

From what I remember, the platforming and jumping was pretty automatic, similar to UC2. It doesn't really offer any freedom at all as well. Even less freedom than UC2 (& that's something.:P).

Graphically, Enslaved looks okay but Heavenly Swords is easily NT's better looking game or even their best looking game thus far. (assuming they didn't make anything high-end on the PC)

I don't understand all the praise Enslaved gets for its graphics, they look extremely average and unpolished. The game just has a very unfinished look to it and is rough around the edges, this is of course my experience with the demo so things might have improved. But its nowhere near in the same league as game like U2, ME2, GOW3 etc.

LOL i was thinking of GoW3. what i meant to say was UC2 ran at a constant 30 fps. besides, Enslaved doesn't look and run as good as UC2.

rawr89

lol it's ightt.:) Also I believe GOW3 is ~45 FPS.

I don't understand all the praise Enslaved gets for its graphics, they look extremely average and unpolished. The game just has a very unfinished look to it and is rough around the edges, this is of course my experience with the demo so things might have improved. But its nowhere near in the same league as game like U2, ME2, GOW3 etc.

Asim90

Well I'm not looking at the Graphics, I'm looking at the Art Style and Gameplay.

I don't know when I first played Uncharted, the Running and Walking felt a bit off.

The Jumping exactly reminds me of Uncharted.

LegatoSkyheart

Yeah ok im getting what Youre saying...

Enslaved demo did feel abit like UC2 because of the cinematic feel when jumping around a exploding ship.

More games are doing this like the upcoming Dead Space 2.

Yeah ok I guess its a good thing :)

[QUOTE="Final_attack321"]

it's not a question of "can have's"and "believing"tho, it's a question of wheather it is or isn't in the same league as Uncharted 2. It's a question of who's making the claim itself.

1. First of all who is making this claim to begin with? is it a game journlist? an unafiliated developer? a game website? or a xbox360 fanboy who desperately wants to make a game on 360 be equal to what PS3has been able to acheive?

a. if it's any of the first three please post a link so we can examine their argument

b. if it's the last(xbox360 fanboy) we can just disregard this

2.Can/ could be/ might have done/ some day my be possible/ are all claims that nothing in an arguement when there is nothing to prove it. xbox360 and PS3 have diffrent hardware FACT. They have diffrent capabilities regardless of how close their relative power may be FACT. And one is prove to consistantly produce better graphics than the other over the past couple of years FACT.

3. Enslaved looking good dose not mean 360 is a powerful as PS3 nor that it looks as good as UC2, it means you probablyhaven't played uncharted 2.

4. Refer back to #1. who is making this claim?

LegatoSkyheart

ok

I'm making this Claim because I played the Enslaved Demo and I've also Played both Uncharted Games and the Gameplay just reminds me of Uncharted and how they executed the In Game Cutscenes to Gameplay and such It just reminds me of Uncharted a bit. It's not because Some Website said it, It's not because some Xbox 360 fanboy just wants Uncharted 2 for his 360 and wants to claim ownage, It's not because of a Developer, Not because of a Journalist.

It's because I have played the Uncharted series and I have played the Enslaved Demo and I see the Similarities in both games.

If you don't see the Similarities then I suggest you play the Uncharted games again and then the Enslaved Demo.

Oh I thought this therad was about graphics, if you are talking about gameplay then yeah I agree.

If you are talking about graphics however, no, and you might be the one who needs to go back and play uncharted again.