Epic Games confirms UE4 on ps4 is mostly the same as PC verison.

Matching PCs, only possible with gddr5.

campzor

Except it isn't :? Not only was the framerate terrible, they had to remove entire features and effects just to get it running :lol: "Bu-bu-but teh code to teh metal optimization :cry:" :lol:

Peredith

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] LOL. he's officially on suicide watch.tormentos

[QUOTE="sts106mat"]

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

I never said it was untrue, i just know that gpuking has been crying himself to sleep since the comparison first showed up, now he can sleep soundly.

gpuking

Pathetic and out of ammo is reposting the same article because your precious little gaming station runs on 1 year old PC hardware :lol:

I'm sure you'll also have an excuse for Battlefield 4 only running oin 720p or Killzone 4 only running at 30fps, right?

PS4 isn't able to play launch titles properly in 1080p with 60fps comfirmed!

Of course.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]Well...the article actually was damage-controlling consoles, not PC. PC ran perfectly what ever they threw at it. 

The article reasserted my determination to keep sticking to PC next gen.

It´s PS4 who will straggle next gen. If Sony fails, it´s dead, no second chances for Sony.

PC gamers will keep staying in a comfort secure zone playing all multiplats and Kickstarter exclusives. 

tormentos

PS4 is just catching up with current gen PCs. Not a thing to boast about.

So basically with 5 years of optimization they might figure out how to make it look half decent with a framerate higher than 15fps :lol:

Dat GDDR5 :lol:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Poor lems are entering denial and damage control with full force again after they were fooled by a couple of April fools articles. Lol lems are so gullible.sts106mat

I don't mind this thread. I think this thread has a more apt comparison than that "killzowned" thread since UE4 isn't out yet for both platforms.

[QUOTE="gpuking"][QUOTE="sts106mat"] LOL. he's officially on suicide watch.tormentos

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"] So actually, Consoles really are the ones to blame, They are the ones that push everything back when newer hardware is capable of more. EPIC continues to kiss Sony's ass. While PC does ray tracing and more.tormentos

Epic kiss Sony ass because they want to sell UE4 to Sony.

Crytec kiss Sony ass because they want to sell Crytec Engine to Sony.

Carmack kiss Sony ass, because he´s an idiot.

But if Sony fails to sell 20M units at launch, nobody will kiss their ass anymore. Sony is on a steep road here. 

It'd make sense for Epic to downplay it's new engines effectiveness on consoles, 'cause they dislike money.

So now everyone agrees that the PS4 will be an unstoppable juggernaut force this gen, good, thought that was a given after February 20th. Heil68

Are you serious. We are on SW. Nobody here agrees with anything.

Matching PC hardware that wil be nearly 2 years old by the time the PS4 releases. Once the GTX 7xx and HD 8xxx series are out this year, the gap will continue to get larger and larger.

Epic kiss Sony ass because they want to sell UE4 to Sony.

Crytec kiss Sony ass because they want to sell Crytec Engine to Sony.

Carmack kiss Sony ass, because he´s an idiot.

But if Sony fails to sell 20M units at launch, nobody will kiss their ass anymore. Sony is on a steep road here. 

jhonMalcovich

Feature wise I would expect the engines to be the same. How you can use those features is where they will differ. 

What's great about a big, expansive engine like the Unreal 4 engine is that you can just keep throwing GPU power at it and upping the number of effects dynamically. 

For example let's imagine a torch burning in the middle of a medieval room lighting the room with global illumination, dropping sparks and embers as particles, and generally looking pretty. Their engine allows you to dynamically change how much intensity the graphical features have, which affects overall GPU useage. So while the PS4 and PC versions will look the same at a base level and run with the same features, the PC version could have a higher setting which makes the torch have more embers that fall from it and increase the detail of the flame while and add a few more passes on the global illumination to get more realistic and accurate lighting while on the PS4 you couldn't do that without some slow down.

So while the engines use the same features, you can layer more features ontop of each other on the PC with greater effect IF the client has the power to handle it. 

That's what I love about these big, modern engines. They scale very well. They give developers tons of tools and if you have the hardware you can turn up the intensity on a lot of features and layer more detail and rendering on each pass.

Matching PC hardware that wil be nearly 2 years old by the time the PS4 releases. Once the GTX 7xx and HD 8xxx series are out this year, the gap will continue to get larger and larger.

BPoole96

Lol at the "slight" difference in particle count.

That ain't slight.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]Epic kiss Sony ass because they want to sell UE4 to Sony.

Crytec kiss Sony ass because they want to sell Crytec Engine to Sony.

Carmack kiss Sony ass, because he´s an idiot.

But if Sony fails to sell 20M units at launch, nobody will kiss their ass anymore. Sony is on a steep road here. 

tormentos

Tormentos, you are a such a f*cking moron. I haven´t insulted you in no way (untill now). Do you always call other people idiots when they don´t agree with you ?

This is sounding more and more liek damage control by Epic. They don't want to discourage any develoeprs working on "next gen" consoles from using their engine.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Matching PC hardware that wil be nearly 2 years old by the time the PS4 releases. Once the GTX 7xx and HD 8xxx series are out this year, the gap will continue to get larger and larger.

tormentos

So basically with 5 years of optimization they might figure out how to make it look half decent with a framerate higher than 15fps :lol:

 

Dat GDDR5 :lol:

HaRmLeSS_RaGe

By the time the PS4 has caught up to the 1 year old GTX680, the Nvidia Volta would have been released :lol:

But but the PS4 is under power and even on PC the engine will not look the same..:lol:tormentos

How do you even come to this conclusion, it's a console, which is going to retail at 300-400, idiotic again from people, it's a console which the graphics look amazing from what i've seen, how is it under power, when a high end pc costs 700+ to get the same results so the fact remains the ps4 for the price is over powered.

Tormentos, you are a such a f*cking moron. I haven´t insulted you in no way (untill now). Do you always call other people idiots when they don´t agree with you ?jhonMalcovich

so this is what your comparing it to then and using this as a guide line and still saying how under powered it is and it should be better

GTX 680 2GB OOOOOO and the cheapest you can buy one for here in the uk is £399

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007O3IN82/ref=asc_df_B007O3IN8212676468?smid=A3OGKN9Q7C0HV1&tag=hydra0b-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22218&creativeASIN=B007O3IN82&hvpos=1o2&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=526820186845634176&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=

in the us it's $477

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-DisplayPort-Graphics-02G-P4-2680-KR/dp/B007KC1R3A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365085855&sr=8-1&keywords=gtx+680

seriously ps4 price is being rumoured at £300 / $400, that comes with the case the gpu, the cpu the power supply, the interface, all the other stuff in it.

when you can't even buy just that graphics card, what are we even moaning and arguing about.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]But but the PS4 is under power and even on PC the engine will not look the same..:lol:bezza2011

How do you even come to this conclusion, it's a console, which is going to retail at 300-400, idiotic again from people, it's a console which the graphics look amazing from what i've seen, how is it under power, when a high end pc costs 700+ to get the same results so the fact remains the ps4 for the price is over powered.

so this is what your comparing it to then and using this as a guide line and still saying how under powered it is and it should be better

GTX 680 2GB OOOOOO and the cheapest you can buy one for here in the uk is £399

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007O3IN82/ref=asc_df_B007O3IN8212676468?smid=A3OGKN9Q7C0HV1&tag=hydra0b-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22218&creativeASIN=B007O3IN82&hvpos=1o2&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=526820186845634176&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=

in the us it's $477

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-DisplayPort-Graphics-02G-P4-2680-KR/dp/B007KC1R3A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365085855&sr=8-1&keywords=gtx+680

seriously ps4 price is being rumoured at £300 / $400, that comes with the case the gpu, the cpu the power supply, the interface, all the other stuff in it.

when you can't even buy just that graphics card, what are we even moaning and arguing about.

bezza2011

[QUOTE="bezza2011"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]But but the PS4 is under power and even on PC the engine will not look the same..:lol:tormentos

How do you even come to this conclusion, it's a console, which is going to retail at 300-400, idiotic again from people, it's a console which the graphics look amazing from what i've seen, how is it under power, when a high end pc costs 700+ to get the same results so the fact remains the ps4 for the price is over powered.

Still the point being the PS4 is going to cost 300 -400

and a gaming pc which will be on par or better than it will cost over 700+ 

or am i mistaken that we can build a pc with ps4 capabilities with 400,  

 

Still the point being the PS4 is going to cost 300 -400

and a gaming pc which will be on par or better than it will cost over 700+ 

or am i mistaken that we can build a pc with ps4 capabilities with 400,  

bezza2011

Not right now you can't no, but by the time the PS4 launches, possibly.

Both hermits and cows doing a lot of DC here.

Hermits claiming that ps4 is a low end pc,cows claiming that ps4 is some sort of supercomputer.

All BS.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]Tormentos, you are a such a f*cking moron. I haven´t insulted you in no way (untill now). Do you always call other people idiots when they don´t agree with you ?tormentos

Carmack is an idiot because one day he speaks pro-PC and pro-Linux and another day he´s pro-consoles. 

He didn´t make one single good game since Doom 3 (2004), but he talks a lot.

And you cite him a lot too. But what he exactly did for PC or PS in the last years, except Rage ? Nothing.

The guy was working rather on VR than games for the last years.

This is a list of things he said:

John Carmack claims emulation is the key to Linux support, questions native ports (2013)

John Carmack Believes Next-Gen Consoles Will Continue Targeting 30FPS Games (2012)

John Carmack: Treating Consoles Equally Was A Big Mistake (2011)

Carmack: We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games (2011)

We, PC gamers have our reasons to dislike Carmack. You, in change, Sony fanboy, have no reason to defend him, except for his praise for PS4. He didn´t do anything for PS never.

Meh.  I'm not looking at middleware for the most technically advanced stuff we're going to see on PS4 anyways, what I really want to see is Witcher 3 on Ps4.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]"More Efficient" LOL. Like any one with a brain actually gonna believe that.faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="bezza2011"]

 

Still the point being the PS4 is going to cost 300 -400

and a gaming pc which will be on par or better than it will cost over 700+ 

or am i mistaken that we can build a pc with ps4 capabilities with 400,  

Snugenz

Not right now you can't no, but by the time the PS4 launches, possibly.

Exactly no we can't, and when it comes out it's only a possibility and i think people forget a game console is for the gamers who want something to play games on easily, and not have a pc where another year or so down the line i'll have to change stuff to get up to date with pc graphics, don't get me wrong i'd much rather be in that game of pc building but convinence of buying a ps4 for that small price which you know is going to last at least 6years of good graphics because companies are trying to get the most out of it, than a pc games which are always trying to push the boundaries and beyond. 

Both hermits and cows doing a lot of DC here.

Hermits claiming that ps4 is a low end pc,cows claiming that ps4 is some sort of supercomputer.

All BS.

call_of_duty_10

Hermits doesn´t need to DC anything. Is the article who´s DM controlling consoles. PC ran perfectly everything. PS4, instead, tries to keep up as always. I don´t see how hermits could turn out loosing in this comparison.  

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="bezza2011"]

 

How do you even come to this conclusion, it's a console, which is going to retail at 300-400, idiotic again from people, it's a console which the graphics look amazing from what i've seen, how is it under power, when a high end pc costs 700+ to get the same results so the fact remains the ps4 for the price is over powered.

bezza2011

Still the point being the PS4 is going to cost 300 -400

and a gaming pc which will be on par or better than it will cost over 700+ 

or am i mistaken that we can build a pc with ps4 capabilities with 400,  

I don´t get what´s wrong with paying 700+ for a new PC. Is not that expensive after all in light of extra benefits PC offers. Many people needs PC in their daily lives anyway. Why not make it gaming as well for an addtional cost.

Anyway 700+ PC are serious threat to consoles. Because people are not that stupid after all. They know the difference between PC and console capabilities. You pay more, you get more.

You are downplaying the buying power of the gamers. many of them have PC and consoles. 

This is an extract from the article.

"On the one hand, seeing a year-old PC demo scaled down a tad to work on PlayStation 4 hardware probably isn't what console gamers would expect, and doesn't quite tally when other developers are talking about PS4 out-powering most PCs for years to come."

Doesn´t sound like the same to me.

jhonMalcovich

You're kidding, right?  Neat how you can take an "extract" from the article and then ignore all the words that follow it directly

But it is important to put all of this into context. The DirectX 11 API is very mature while the PS4 tools and APIs are still in their initial stages of development - it's going to take time for devs to fully get to grips with the new hardware. Over and above that, assuming this is the same demo that was shown at the PlayStation 4 reveal, we know for a fact that most studios only received final dev kits in the weeks beforehand, the suggestion being that most of the UE4 work will have been produced on unfinished hardware.From the article

No, the PS4 demo was missing shadows, had worse lighting, worsetextures & had a bad framerate

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

This is an extract from the article.

"On the one hand, seeing a year-old PC demo scaled down a tad to work on PlayStation 4 hardware probably isn't what console gamers would expect, and doesn't quite tally when other developers are talking about PS4 out-powering most PCs for years to come."

Doesn´t sound like the same to me.

TruthBToldShow

You're kidding, right?  Neat how you can take an "extract" from the article and then ignore all the words that follow it directly

But it is important to put all of this into context. The DirectX 11 API is very mature while the PS4 tools and APIs are still in their initial stages of development - it's going to take time for devs to fully get to grips with the new hardware. Over and above that, assuming this is the same demo that was shown at the PlayStation 4 reveal, we know for a fact that most studios only received final dev kits in the weeks beforehand, the suggestion being that most of the UE4 work will have been produced on unfinished hardware.From the article

I kinda had a feeling they ditched SVOGI and other features because they was'nt efficient enough, compared to the small visual improvement they gave. Epic wants small and large game companies to use they're engine, so of course it has to be as efficient as possible, but at the same time have great visuals. Tech demo's are allways running some amazing features that looks awesome, but when developers want to use those features in games, they tend to struggle a bit. No matter if it's a console or a PC. So this could be a more realistic version, for both PC and consoles. 

It's because the PS4 has godlike powers that it can destroy UE4.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]Tormentos, you are a such a f*cking moron. I haven´t insulted you in no way (untill now). Do you always call other people idiots when they don´t agree with you ?jhonMalcovich

Carmack is an idiot because one day he speaks pro-PC and pro-Linux and another day he´s pro-consoles. 

He didn´t make one single good game since Doom 3 (2004), but he talks a lot.

And you cite him a lot too. But what he exactly did for PC or PS in the last years, except Rage ? Nothing.

The guy was working rather on VR than games for the last years.

This is a list of things he said:

John Carmack claims emulation is the key to Linux support, questions native ports (2013)

John Carmack Believes Next-Gen Consoles Will Continue Targeting 30FPS Games (2012)

John Carmack: Treating Consoles Equally Was A Big Mistake (2011)

Carmack: We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games (2011)

We, PC gamers have our reasons to dislike Carmack. You, in change, Sony fanboy, have no reason to defend him, except for his praise for PS4. He didn´t do anything for PS never.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] You are the moron who call idiot people who have been making games probably for longer time that you have been gaming or even living,when you were a kid Carmack was doing Doom already... People like you are real idiot,so because the guy say something you don't like he is an idiot,when you are not even qualify to talk about anything he say,you are just a butthurt fanboy.. I could care less what you call me the real moron here is you cry baby.. Oh but but Carmak is and idiot because he doesn't agree with my point of views,so what was the last game you make..:lol:tormentos

Carmack is an idiot because one day he speaks pro-PC and pro-Linux and another day he´s pro-consoles. 

He didn´t make one single good game since Doom 3 (2004), but he talks a lot.

And you cite him a lot too. But what he exactly did for PC or PS in the last years, except Rage ? Nothing.

The guy was working rather on VR than games for the last years.

This is a list of things he said:

John Carmack claims emulation is the key to Linux support, questions native ports (2013)

John Carmack Believes Next-Gen Consoles Will Continue Targeting 30FPS Games (2012)

John Carmack: Treating Consoles Equally Was A Big Mistake (2011)

Carmack: We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games (2011)

We, PC gamers have our reasons to dislike Carmack. You, in change, Sony fanboy, have no reason to defend him, except for his praise for PS4. He didn´t do anything for PS never.

Stop foaming at your mouth. :lol: I think you have some sort of rabies.

Its still gimped which is not very impressive if this is the best consoles can do next gen.