Epic Games confirms UE4 on ps4 is mostly the same as PC verison.

[QUOTE="Quad4Life"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

While I'm sure they will optimize it more in the future, the fact that the demo had to be downraged shows there will be no real jump power-wise with PS4 compared to high-end PCs.

AdrianWerner

Well...they will take consolation in the fact that because of this the difference two years after PS4 launches should be quite huge. Especially since improvements with time for PS4 games will be nowhere near big as they were with PS3

I think you will see them peek 2 years after release as opposed to 5 years but you will still see a major difference from launch titles.  I also think there's much less improvements to be made. 

I think we all know the consoles will nearly match PC in the first year of its life this ALWAYS happens. Honestly its as if system wars doesn't know its own f*in history. Enjoy the matchup for a year then fall behind as always. when it goes into your skulls that the 8GB RAM will be limited by the CPU/GPU ....MBirdy88

It's a sad day when console fanboys are happy when their 'next gen' system is 'mostly' the same as a current PC.gamebreakerz__

According to hermits thats how its always been, its amazing how soon you forget things.  When the 360 came out with revelations of its great GPU hermits were quick to point out that the CPU was a gimped 3 core processor , and its measley 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it. 

When the PS3 came out with its revelations of its amazing processor( it didnt matter because it was to hard to develope for) Its GPU was a mindranged GPU that was a year old( sound familair?) and it was yet again gimped by its 512 megs of ram. 

The PS4 in all honesty will be just as powerful as the PS3 was for its time, its GPU will be better then the PS3's for its time becasue it will feature a full DX 11.1 feature set as opposed to the PS3's DX9 card that had to compete with DX10 cards month's after its release. 

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]It's a sad day when console fanboys are happy when their 'next gen' system is 'mostly' the same as a current PC.AM-Gamer

According to hermits thats how its always been, its amazing how soon you forget things. When the 360 came out with revelations of its great GPU hermits were quick to point out that the CPU was a gimped 3 core processor , and its measley 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it.

When the PS3 came out with its revelations of its amazing processor( it didnt matter because it was to hard to develope for) Its GPU was a mindranged GPU that was a year old( sound familair?) and it was yet again gimped by its 512 megs of ram.

The PS4 in all honesty will be just as powerful as the PS3 was for its time, its GPU will be better then the PS3's for its time becasue it will feature a full DX 11.1 feature set as opposed to the PS3's DX9 card that had to compete with DX10 cards month's after its release.

Comparing the the GTX 680 to the PS 4 gpu is like comparing the 8800 gtx to the 360's gpu. Problem here is tghe GTX 680 came out over a year and a half before PS 4 launch while the 8800gtx came out a year after the 360 launch. PS 4 is weaksauce compared to the behemoth that the 360 was in 2005.

Better to compare the first next gen consoles of each gen. Better to compare the 360 with the ps4. PS 3 was no better than the 360 gpu wise and was a year late.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]It's a sad day when console fanboys are happy when their 'next gen' system is 'mostly' the same as a current PC.Cranler

According to hermits thats how its always been, its amazing how soon you forget things. When the 360 came out with revelations of its great GPU hermits were quick to point out that the CPU was a gimped 3 core processor , and its measley 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it.

When the PS3 came out with its revelations of its amazing processor( it didnt matter because it was to hard to develope for) Its GPU was a mindranged GPU that was a year old( sound familair?) and it was yet again gimped by its 512 megs of ram.

The PS4 in all honesty will be just as powerful as the PS3 was for its time, its GPU will be better then the PS3's for its time becasue it will feature a full DX 11.1 feature set as opposed to the PS3's DX9 card that had to compete with DX10 cards month's after its release.

Comparing the the GTX 680 to the PS 4 gpu is like comparing the 8800 gtx to the 360's gpu. Problem here is tghe GTX 680 came out over a year and a half before PS 4 launch while the 8800gtx came out a year after the 360 launch. PS 4 is weaksauce compared to the behemoth that the 360 was in 2005.

Better to compare the first next gen consoles of each gen. Better to compare the 360 with the ps4. PS 3 was no better than the 360 gpu wise and was a year late.

Except you werent here then were you? According to hermits the 360's tricore GPU was gimped because it was a inorder processor, and it didnt matter how great the GPU was because its pitful 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it.  Then there was its horrible first gen titles that didnt help anything.  COD2 with 8 player MP?  Gimped version of PREY and Quake 4.  Hermits were going rabid on the forum.  

The point is no matter what console makers make Hermits bash it, and the diffrence between a 680 and th PS4's GPU from a performance stand point is nowhere near the gap as a 360 and 8800gtx as the PS4 has all the graphic capablites as the 680 it will just be pushing them at a slighly lower res and a fixed 30 to 60fps.  

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

According to hermits thats how its always been, its amazing how soon you forget things. When the 360 came out with revelations of its great GPU hermits were quick to point out that the CPU was a gimped 3 core processor , and its measley 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it.

When the PS3 came out with its revelations of its amazing processor( it didnt matter because it was to hard to develope for) Its GPU was a mindranged GPU that was a year old( sound familair?) and it was yet again gimped by its 512 megs of ram.

The PS4 in all honesty will be just as powerful as the PS3 was for its time, its GPU will be better then the PS3's for its time becasue it will feature a full DX 11.1 feature set as opposed to the PS3's DX9 card that had to compete with DX10 cards month's after its release.

AM-Gamer

Comparing the the GTX 680 to the PS 4 gpu is like comparing the 8800 gtx to the 360's gpu. Problem here is tghe GTX 680 came out over a year and a half before PS 4 launch while the 8800gtx came out a year after the 360 launch. PS 4 is weaksauce compared to the behemoth that the 360 was in 2005.

Better to compare the first next gen consoles of each gen. Better to compare the 360 with the ps4. PS 3 was no better than the 360 gpu wise and was a year late.

Except you werent here then were you? According to hermits the 360's tricore GPU was gimped because it was a inorder processor, and it didnt matter how great the GPU was because its pitful 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it. Then there was its horrible first gen titles that didnt help anything. COD2 with 8 player MP? Gimped version of PREY and Quake 4. Hermits were going rabid on the forum.

The point is no matter what console makers make Hermits bash it, and the diffrence between a 680 and th PS4's GPU from a performance stand point is nowhere near the gap as a 360 and 8800gtx as the PS4 has all the graphic capablites as the 680 it will just be pushing them at a slighly lower res and a fixed 30 to 60fps.

Guess you didnt look at my join date.

360 cpu is closer to the best 2005 pc cpu's than the PS 4 is with todays cpu's.

COD 2 sp was on par with pc max settings. See here: http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/12/10/call-of-duty-2-head-to-head?page=3

360 gpu has unified shader architecture which wasnt even available on pc when it launched. 8800gtx is about 2x the power of the 360 gpu. 680 is about 2x the power of the 7850. The fact that the 360 didnt support dx10 is irrelavent. Witcher 2 is dx9 and looks better than any dx10 game. DX10 didnt have any big features like DX11 has with tesselation.

360 was comparable to a high end pc when it launched, PS 4 will be comparable to a medium end pc when it launches.

The PS4 in all honesty will be just as powerful as the PS3 was for its time, its GPU will be better then the PS3's for its time becasue it will feature a full DX 11.1 feature set as opposed to the PS3's DX9 card that had to compete with DX10 cards month's after its release. 

AM-Gamer

I guess in a sense that part is right, considering the ps3 was obsolete before it even launched when compared to pc.  So yes, you are right, ps4 is already obsolete before release, just like the ps3 was for its time.

The 360 on the other hand was not obsolete out of the gate.  It became obsolete about a month after launch.

the PS4 has all the graphic capablites as the 680 it will just be pushing them at a slighly lower res and a fixed 30 to 60fps.  

AM-Gamer

lol just no

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

the PS4 has all the graphic capablites as the 680 it will just be pushing them at a slighly lower res and a fixed 30 to 60fps.  

Rage010101

lol just no

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]It's a sad day when console fanboys are happy when their 'next gen' system is 'mostly' the same as a current PC.Cranler

According to hermits thats how its always been, its amazing how soon you forget things. When the 360 came out with revelations of its great GPU hermits were quick to point out that the CPU was a gimped 3 core processor , and its measley 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it.

When the PS3 came out with its revelations of its amazing processor( it didnt matter because it was to hard to develope for) Its GPU was a mindranged GPU that was a year old( sound familair?) and it was yet again gimped by its 512 megs of ram.

The PS4 in all honesty will be just as powerful as the PS3 was for its time, its GPU will be better then the PS3's for its time becasue it will feature a full DX 11.1 feature set as opposed to the PS3's DX9 card that had to compete with DX10 cards month's after its release.

Comparing the the GTX 680 to the PS 4 gpu is like comparing the 8800 gtx to the 360's gpu. Problem here is tghe GTX 680 came out over a year and a half before PS 4 launch while the 8800gtx came out a year after the 360 launch. PS 4 is weaksauce compared to the behemoth that the 360 was in 2005.

Better to compare the first next gen consoles of each gen. Better to compare the 360 with the ps4. PS 3 was no better than the 360 gpu wise and was a year late.

No, comparing PS4's GPU and NVIDIA's 680 GPU is like comparing Radeon HD "7860" (18 CUs enabled with DirectX 11.1 Level 11.1 hardware) vs Geforce GTX 680 (with DirectX 11.1 Level 11.0 hardware).

Geforce GTX 680(all current Keplers) only has 8 slot UAVs for just PS/CS and it doesn't have DirectX 11.1 Level 11.1's 64 slot UVAs for all shader types(DS,VS,HS,GS, PS, CS). UVAs = random read/write buffer.

Remember, the 8800 GTX is a 185 watts beast with two PCI-E power connectors and it's the template for the current two PCI-E power connector scaled PC GPUs e.g. NVIDIA GK104/GK110, AMD Tahiti.

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]It's a sad day when console fanboys are happy when their 'next gen' system is 'mostly' the same as a current PC.AM-Gamer

According to hermits thats how its always been, its amazing how soon you forget things. When the 360 came out with revelations of its great GPU hermits were quick to point out that the CPU was a gimped 3 core processor , and its measley 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it.

When the PS3 came out with its revelations of its amazing processor( it didnt matter because it was to hard to develope for) Its GPU was a mindranged GPU that was a year old( sound familair?) and it was yet again gimped by its 512 megs of ram.

The PS4 in all honesty will be just as powerful as the PS3 was for its time, its GPU will be better then the PS3's for its time becasue it will feature a full DX 11.1 feature set as opposed to the PS3's DX9 card that had to compete with DX10 cards month's after its release.

Geforce GTX 680 doesn't have full DirectX 11.1 Level 11.1 support.

More like unoptimized trash.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]Gimped 3 core? PC was only at dual core when the 360 launched. AMD had the best dual cores and those were just 2.6 ghz. PC has 8 core 4 ghz cpu's out already.

Comparing the the GTX 680 to the PS 4 gpu is like comparing the 8800 gtx to the 360's gpu. Problem here is tghe GTX 680 came out over a year and a half before PS 4 launch while the 8800gtx came out a year after the 360 launch. PS 4 is weaksauce compared to the behemoth that the 360 was in 2005.

Better to compare the first next gen consoles of each gen. Better to compare the 360 with the ps4. PS 3 was no better than the 360 gpu wise and was a year late.

Cranler

Except you werent here then were you? According to hermits the 360's tricore GPU was gimped because it was a inorder processor, and it didnt matter how great the GPU was because its pitful 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it. Then there was its horrible first gen titles that didnt help anything. COD2 with 8 player MP? Gimped version of PREY and Quake 4. Hermits were going rabid on the forum.

The point is no matter what console makers make Hermits bash it, and the diffrence between a 680 and th PS4's GPU from a performance stand point is nowhere near the gap as a 360 and 8800gtx as the PS4 has all the graphic capablites as the 680 it will just be pushing them at a slighly lower res and a fixed 30 to 60fps.

Guess you didnt look at my join date.

360 cpu is closer to the best 2005 pc cpu's than the PS 4 is with todays cpu's.

COD 2 sp was on par with pc max settings. See here: http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/12/10/call-of-duty-2-head-to-head?page=3

360 gpu has unified shader architecture which wasnt even available on pc when it launched. 8800gtx is about 2x the power of the 360 gpu. 680 is about 2x the power of the 7850. The fact that the 360 didnt support dx10 is irrelavent. Witcher 2 is dx9 and looks better than any dx10 game. DX10 didnt have any big features like DX11 has with tesselation.

360 was comparable to a high end pc when it launched, PS 4 will be comparable to a medium end pc when it launches.

Flagship gaming PCs have move beyond the single PCI-E power connector i.e. two PCI-E power connectors.

With current games, Radeon HD 7850 would have about 59.8 percent of GTX 680's performance.

[QUOTE="sts106mat"]Still waiting on that link eltormo....tormentos

IBM themselves has stated the SPEs are "DSP like" .

A GPU without it's fix function units is more or less similar to a DSP.

[QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"]

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clyde46

^^^ This

Already new the PS4 version was about the same as PC. Nothing new.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Except you werent here then were you? According to hermits the 360's tricore GPU was gimped because it was a inorder processor, and it didnt matter how great the GPU was because its pitful 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it. Then there was its horrible first gen titles that didnt help anything. COD2 with 8 player MP? Gimped version of PREY and Quake 4. Hermits were going rabid on the forum.

The point is no matter what console makers make Hermits bash it, and the diffrence between a 680 and th PS4's GPU from a performance stand point is nowhere near the gap as a 360 and 8800gtx as the PS4 has all the graphic capablites as the 680 it will just be pushing them at a slighly lower res and a fixed 30 to 60fps.

ronvalencia

Guess you didnt look at my join date.

360 cpu is closer to the best 2005 pc cpu's than the PS 4 is with todays cpu's.

COD 2 sp was on par with pc max settings. See here: http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/12/10/call-of-duty-2-head-to-head?page=3

360 gpu has unified shader architecture which wasnt even available on pc when it launched. 8800gtx is about 2x the power of the 360 gpu. 680 is about 2x the power of the 7850. The fact that the 360 didnt support dx10 is irrelavent. Witcher 2 is dx9 and looks better than any dx10 game. DX10 didnt have any big features like DX11 has with tesselation.

360 was comparable to a high end pc when it launched, PS 4 will be comparable to a medium end pc when it launches.

Flagship gaming PCs have move beyond the single PCI-E power connector i.e. two PCI-E power connectors.

With current games, Radeon HD 7850 would have about 59.8 percent of GTX 680's performance.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]I think we all know the consoles will nearly match PC in the first year of its life this ALWAYS happens. Honestly its as if system wars doesn't know its own f*in history. Enjoy the matchup for a year then fall behind as always. when it goes into your skulls that the 8GB RAM will be limited by the CPU/GPU ....tionmedon

Another g-puking thread crying about PS4 being underpower and his insecurity. Poor poor cows. And damn that crap PS4 because of it we won't be getting realtime SVOGI and needs to stick with statick GI solution.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

Except you werent here then were you? According to hermits the 360's tricore GPU was gimped because it was a inorder processor, and it didnt matter how great the GPU was because its pitful 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it. Then there was its horrible first gen titles that didnt help anything. COD2 with 8 player MP? Gimped version of PREY and Quake 4. Hermits were going rabid on the forum.

The point is no matter what console makers make Hermits bash it, and the diffrence between a 680 and th PS4's GPU from a performance stand point is nowhere near the gap as a 360 and 8800gtx as the PS4 has all the graphic capablites as the 680 it will just be pushing them at a slighly lower res and a fixed 30 to 60fps.

ronvalencia

Guess you didnt look at my join date.

360 cpu is closer to the best 2005 pc cpu's than the PS 4 is with todays cpu's.

COD 2 sp was on par with pc max settings. See here: http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/12/10/call-of-duty-2-head-to-head?page=3

360 gpu has unified shader architecture which wasnt even available on pc when it launched. 8800gtx is about 2x the power of the 360 gpu. 680 is about 2x the power of the 7850. The fact that the 360 didnt support dx10 is irrelavent. Witcher 2 is dx9 and looks better than any dx10 game. DX10 didnt have any big features like DX11 has with tesselation.

360 was comparable to a high end pc when it launched, PS 4 will be comparable to a medium end pc when it launches.

Flagship gaming PCs have move beyond the single PCI-E power connector i.e. two PCI-E power connectors.

With current games, Radeon HD 7850 would have about 59.8 percent of GTX 680's performance.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

According to hermits thats how its always been, its amazing how soon you forget things. When the 360 came out with revelations of its great GPU hermits were quick to point out that the CPU was a gimped 3 core processor , and its measley 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it.

When the PS3 came out with its revelations of its amazing processor( it didnt matter because it was to hard to develope for) Its GPU was a mindranged GPU that was a year old( sound familair?) and it was yet again gimped by its 512 megs of ram.

The PS4 in all honesty will be just as powerful as the PS3 was for its time, its GPU will be better then the PS3's for its time becasue it will feature a full DX 11.1 feature set as opposed to the PS3's DX9 card that had to compete with DX10 cards month's after its release.

Comparing the the GTX 680 to the PS 4 gpu is like comparing the 8800 gtx to the 360's gpu. Problem here is tghe GTX 680 came out over a year and a half before PS 4 launch while the 8800gtx came out a year after the 360 launch. PS 4 is weaksauce compared to the behemoth that the 360 was in 2005.

Better to compare the first next gen consoles of each gen. Better to compare the 360 with the ps4. PS 3 was no better than the 360 gpu wise and was a year late.

No, comparing PS4's GPU and NVIDIA's 680 GPU is like comparing Radeon HD "7860" (18 CUs enabled with DirectX 11.1 Level 11.1 hardware) vs Geforce GTX 680 (with DirectX 11.1 Level 11.0 hardware).

Geforce GTX 680(all current Keplers) only has 8 slot UAVs for just PS/CS and it doesn't have DirectX 11.1 Level 11.1's 64 slot UVAs for all shader types(DS,VS,HS,GS, PS, CS). UVAs = random read/write buffer.

Remember, the 8800 GTX is a 185 watts beast with two PCI-E power connectors and it's the template for the current two PCI-E power connector scaled PC GPUs e.g. NVIDIA GK104/GK110, AMD Tahiti.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

Guess you didnt look at my join date.

360 cpu is closer to the best 2005 pc cpu's than the PS 4 is with todays cpu's.

COD 2 sp was on par with pc max settings. See here: http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/12/10/call-of-duty-2-head-to-head?page=3

360 gpu has unified shader architecture which wasnt even available on pc when it launched. 8800gtx is about 2x the power of the 360 gpu. 680 is about 2x the power of the 7850. The fact that the 360 didnt support dx10 is irrelavent. Witcher 2 is dx9 and looks better than any dx10 game. DX10 didnt have any big features like DX11 has with tesselation.

360 was comparable to a high end pc when it launched, PS 4 will be comparable to a medium end pc when it launches.

Cranler

Flagship gaming PCs have move beyond the single PCI-E power connector i.e. two PCI-E power connectors.

With current games, Radeon HD 7850 would have about 59.8 percent of GTX 680's performance.

Bioshock Infinite is based Unreal Engine 3 hence it's GI solution wouldn't be compute heavy.

Using AMD Catalyst 13.3 beta driver.

AMD "Gaming Evolved" title needing an AMD driver update is a LOL....

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] How can it be limited by CPU/GPU? RAM is a space which program (in this case game) can use whatever it like to, any data that program will use needs to be loaded to memory first, so more RAM = more data can be loaded to it in same time and used by program. CPU or GPU can't limit RAM, only it's space and it's usage by other programs (in this case system/firmware) can do that. Better? :PShadowriverUB

I think you're trying too hard, you're still not making sense, especially since what he said is correct.  You're limited based on the weakest link, and in this case, it is the ps4's cpu.  It can't go beyond what it can't handle.  What you think it can magically use more ram than it is capable of?

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Flagship gaming PCs have move beyond the single PCI-E power connector i.e. two PCI-E power connectors.

With current games, Radeon HD 7850 would have about 59.8 percent of GTX 680's performance.

ronvalencia

Bioshock Infinite is based on Unreal Engine 3 and it's GI solution wouldn't be compute heavy.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]59% of the 680's power makes the 680 about twice as powerful just like I said. In this Bioshock Infinite bench the 680 is a tad over twice as powerful. http://www.techspot.com/review/655-bioshock-infinite-performance/page4.html

Cranler

Bioshock Infinite is based on Unreal Engine 3 and it's GI solution wouldn't be compute heavy.

AMD has issues with Crysis 3's AA..

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]It's a sad day when console fanboys are happy when their 'next gen' system is 'mostly' the same as a current PC.AM-Gamer

According to hermits thats how its always been, its amazing how soon you forget things.  When the 360 came out with revelations of its great GPU hermits were quick to point out that the CPU was a gimped 3 core processor , and its measley 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it. 

When the PS3 came out with its revelations of its amazing processor( it didnt matter because it was to hard to develope for) Its GPU was a mindranged GPU that was a year old( sound familair?) and it was yet again gimped by its 512 megs of ram. 

The PS4 in all honesty will be just as powerful as the PS3 was for its time, its GPU will be better then the PS3's for its time becasue it will feature a full DX 11.1 feature set as opposed to the PS3's DX9 card that had to compete with DX10 cards month's after its release. 

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]It's a sad day when console fanboys are happy when their 'next gen' system is 'mostly' the same as a current PC.delta3074

According to hermits thats how its always been, its amazing how soon you forget things.  When the 360 came out with revelations of its great GPU hermits were quick to point out that the CPU was a gimped 3 core processor , and its measley 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it. 

When the PS3 came out with its revelations of its amazing processor( it didnt matter because it was to hard to develope for) Its GPU was a mindranged GPU that was a year old( sound familair?) and it was yet again gimped by its 512 megs of ram. 

The PS4 in all honesty will be just as powerful as the PS3 was for its time, its GPU will be better then the PS3's for its time becasue it will feature a full DX 11.1 feature set as opposed to the PS3's DX9 card that had to compete with DX10 cards month's after its release. 

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Bioshock Infinite is based on Unreal Engine 3 and it's GI solution wouldn't be compute heavy.

ronvalencia

AMD has issues with Crysis 3's AA..

7 months before the 360 launch the best Nvidia card was the 6800 ultra and besides Doom 3 engine games was weaker than the 360 gpu. 6800 ultra cant even run the original Bioshock at medium settings. This is why I laugh at everyone making a big deal about PS 4 because its so much weaker for today than the 360 was for 2005. All this "thank you Sony" sillyness makes me laugh everytime.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]I think we all know the consoles will nearly match PC in the first year of its life this ALWAYS happens. Honestly its as if system wars doesn't know its own f*in history. Enjoy the matchup for a year then fall behind as always. when it goes into your skulls that the 8GB RAM will be limited by the CPU/GPU ....Cranler

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

According to hermits thats how its always been, its amazing how soon you forget things.  When the 360 came out with revelations of its great GPU hermits were quick to point out that the CPU was a gimped 3 core processor , and its measley 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it. 

When the PS3 came out with its revelations of its amazing processor( it didnt matter because it was to hard to develope for) Its GPU was a mindranged GPU that was a year old( sound familair?) and it was yet again gimped by its 512 megs of ram. 

The PS4 in all honesty will be just as powerful as the PS3 was for its time, its GPU will be better then the PS3's for its time becasue it will feature a full DX 11.1 feature set as opposed to the PS3's DX9 card that had to compete with DX10 cards month's after its release. 

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Rage010101"]

I think you're trying too hard, you're still not making sense, especially since what he said is correct.  You're limited based on the weakest link, and in this case, it is the ps4's cpu.  It can't go beyond what it can't handle.  What you think it can magically use more ram than it is capable of?

MBirdy88

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] It does not need any magic, RAM is just data space that can be filled with anything and stay there as much as program wants. Any CPU is capable use as much RAM as memory addressing allows, in case x86 32-bit it's 4GB in case of x86 64-bit..... it's 4 PB and PS4 CPU is 64-bit :p CPU can have any processing power, but it does not change fact that it can read and write anywhere on that 8GB RAM space without any limit (except this 4PB addressing limit and obvious RAM size). This mean even if CPU won't be able to materialize this amount of data on screen in same time, more RAM can be used to reduce load times, as once something is loaded to RAM can stay there as long as program (game) wants to. Other example from LittleBigPlanet, music sequencer in LBP2 has limit call "blue thermo" which limits number of samples (sounds of instruments) that can be used in music (overall size of samples used) with bigger ram, with more ram not only more samples can be used in same time but also better quality of samples. In other words, RAM can't be bottle-necked same as hard drive can't be(or else we talk about bandwidth), data space is data space as long as you can name it you can read and write on it whatever you like.ShadowriverUB

I think you might have googled "8GB GDDR5" way too many times to the point that you have utterly confused yourself :lol:

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"] I know what you are trying to say. but here is what I am trying to say. I'm guessing cows think having that more RAM will make the game worlds much larger, much prettier and have much more on screen, this can be true on a very BASIC level. But anything that requires graphics rendering and A.I for example (which lets be honest is the 2 meaty aspects of a game's hardware requirements) still has to go through the CPU and GPU. There will be some tricks with all that extra RAM in the same sense that there are tricks with extra HDD/BLU RAY space..... but tiny at best. What I meant by bottleneck was: That there wont be any bottleneck for RAM this time around, however its advantages will only show through alittle longer than normal, when the CPU and GPU become dated the real limitations will be the same as the rest of the console generations. All this has done is allow accetable AND THEN SOME ammounts of RAM.....Rage010101

I think you might have googled "8GB GDDR5" way too many times to the point that you have utterly confused yourself :lol:

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[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] RAM responcibility is not to make things look pretier, its just indirect result (so yea cows are wrong with that). But I dont think things you can do with extra space is "tiny at best", theres things that require specific amount of procesing power, but it can use as much of data as it is loaded to RAM (like my LBP music sequencer example), maybe not always at once but still something that quicly can be used at any moment without waiting for disk once its loaded. PC gamers might be fooled from fact that developers limit use of RAM to specific amount as they can't predict how much RAM user will have and how much free space, consoles dont have that problem, developers knows how much RAM there is, knows how much of it will be used by GPU and how much it will be eated by system (RAM for system might be resereved too), thats why they been able to utilize things on 256MB RAM that PC with this amount RAM could only dream of. Fact, some developers won't use whole RAM as they game maybe don't need to, but they can use it if they want So 8GB is always better then 4GB what ever you like it or not and i think cows have right to be happy with it ;) lems and hermits just tries to downgrade that fact as everything cows sayShadowriverUB

I think you might have googled "8GB GDDR5" way too many times to the point that you have utterly confused yourself :lol:

Ok I get it, you think the ps4 is magical with unlimited jedi flux capacitor rainbow powers.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

According to hermits thats how its always been, its amazing how soon you forget things.  When the 360 came out with revelations of its great GPU hermits were quick to point out that the CPU was a gimped 3 core processor , and its measley 512 megs of ram would bottleneck it. 

When the PS3 came out with its revelations of its amazing processor( it didnt matter because it was to hard to develope for) Its GPU was a mindranged GPU that was a year old( sound familair?) and it was yet again gimped by its 512 megs of ram. 

The PS4 in all honesty will be just as powerful as the PS3 was for its time, its GPU will be better then the PS3's for its time becasue it will feature a full DX 11.1 feature set as opposed to the PS3's DX9 card that had to compete with DX10 cards month's after its release. 

ronvalencia

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[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] RAM responcibility is not to make things look pretier, its just indirect result (so yea cows are wrong with that). But I dont think things you can do with extra space is "tiny at best", theres things that require specific amount of procesing power, but it can use as much of data as it is loaded to RAM (like my LBP music sequencer example), maybe not always at once but still something that quicly can be used at any moment without waiting for disk once its loaded. PC gamers might be fooled from fact that developers limit use of RAM to specific amount as they can't predict how much RAM user will have and how much free space, consoles dont have that problem, developers knows how much RAM there is, knows how much of it will be used by GPU and how much it will be eated by system (RAM for system might be resereved too), thats why they been able to utilize things on 256MB RAM that PC with this amount RAM could only dream of. Fact, some developers won't use whole RAM as they game maybe don't need to, but they can use it if they want So 8GB is always better then 4GB what ever you like it or not and i think cows have right to be happy with it ;) lems and hermits just tries to downgrade that fact as everything cows sayShadowriverUB

I think you might have googled "8GB GDDR5" way too many times to the point that you have utterly confused yourself :lol:

I have the feeling that Sony has been bribing a lot of devs and lied a lot, except about getting more indies

seems like nearly everyone at the PS4 conference was cock riding them

either they bribed epic or Epic is downplaying in fear that console/multiplat devs will just stick to latest versions of UE3

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I think you might have googled "8GB GDDR5" way too many times to the point that you have utterly confused yourself :lol:

Rage010101

Ok I get it, you think the ps4 is magical with unlimited jedi flux capacitor rainbow powers.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Rage010101"]

I think you might have googled "8GB GDDR5" way too many times to the point that you have utterly confused yourself :lol:

clyde46

Trust me when I say dont bother.  Guy is in super denial, thinks the ps4's hardware will be state of the art til the end of time.  Ps4's cpu, gpu, ram, etc are all nuclear powered, they have no limit.  The hardware never ages.  Unlimited power that will see all the stars in the universe flicker out before it shows any sign of depletion. 

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[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] No and i think you too much of a hermit to understand what RAM really is, due to issues i mentioned about use of memory on PC. BTW! i still waiting for your answer about what limits CPU... or should a say game, to use whole it got in disposal? That limit sounds so magical :lol:ShadowriverUB

Ok I get it, you think the ps4 is magical with unlimited jedi flux capacitor rainbow powers.

It would help if you made any sense, because what you wrote is completely incoherent.  Even someone like tormentos can sometimes manage a coherent sentence once in a blue moon.  Try harder to make sense, or don't try at all seriously.

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Ok I get it, you think the ps4 is magical with unlimited jedi flux capacitor rainbow powers.

Rage010101

It would help if you made any sense, because what you wrote is completely incoherent.  Even someone like tormentos can sometimes manage a coherent sentence once in a blue moon.  Try harder to make sense, or don't try at all seriously.

Don't twist him bro.

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[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] what part of ".....or should a say game, to use whole it >>> GOT IN DISPOSAL<<<<?" you missed out that you saying something like this? :lol: Sorry you won't twist meSnugenz

It would help if you made any sense, because what you wrote is completely incoherent.  Even someone like tormentos can sometimes manage a coherent sentence once in a blue moon.  Try harder to make sense, or don't try at all seriously.

Don't twist him bro.

I think he's twisting himself more than anything :lol:

I have the feeling that Sony has been bribing a lot of devs and lied a lot, except about getting more indies

seems like nearly everyone at the PS4 conference was cock riding them

either they bribed epic or Epic is downplaying in fear that console/multiplat devs will just stick to latest versions of UE3

NoodleFighter

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I have the feeling that Sony has been bribing a lot of devs and lied a lot, except about getting more indies

seems like nearly everyone at the PS4 conference was cock riding them

either they bribed epic or Epic is downplaying in fear that console/multiplat devs will just stick to latest versions of UE3

faizan_faizan

After selling real estate! remember? :lol: