Epic Games confirms UE4 on ps4 is mostly the same as PC verison.

When the 360 released it had a GPU that was ahead of it's time, it was the first GPU/Card to use Unified shader architecture and it could emulate certain DX10 subroutines, the Ps4 will release with a mid range GPU, Bottom line, the 360 was more Advanced at the point of release than the Ps4 will be, Xbox 360 ran unreal 3 100% out of the box.delta3074

Even the first Xbox was slightly ahead of its time.  Sony has never launched a console that was more powerful than current tech.  In fact, as impressive as the ps4 may seem to some, it is more obsolete compared to previous sony consoles in their time.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

I have the feeling that Sony has been bribing a lot of devs and lied a lot, except about getting more indies

seems like nearly everyone at the PS4 conference was cock riding them

either they bribed epic or Epic is downplaying in fear that console/multiplat devs will just stick to latest versions of UE3

Rage010101

After selling real estate! remember? :lol:

[QUOTE="delta3074"]When the 360 released it had a GPU that was ahead of it's time, it was the first GPU/Card to use Unified shader architecture and it could emulate certain DX10 subroutines, the Ps4 will release with a mid range GPU, Bottom line, the 360 was more Advanced at the point of release than the Ps4 will be, Xbox 360 ran unreal 3 100% out of the box.Rage010101

Even the first Xbox was slightly ahead of its time.  Sony has never launched a console that was more powerful than current tech.  In fact, as impressive as the ps4 may seem to some, it is more obsolete compared to previous sony consoles in their time.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Rage010101"]

I think you might have googled "8GB GDDR5" way too many times to the point that you have utterly confused yourself :lol:

clyde46

I think people are forgetting something.

This gen,virtually NO dev was utilising PC's extra power before 2011.Even after that,only 2-3 devs like dice and crytek were doing it.

Yeah,PC is far more powerful,but the extra power is kind of useless since devs won't design games with pc in mind.

This is an update from the original Digitalfoundry article on PS4 vs PC UE4.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-unreal-engine-4-ps4-vs-pc

Brian Karis, senior graphics programmer at Epic Games adds some more insight in the comments below, explaining some of the more obvious differences - particularly in terms of the very different lighting schemes. At the technical level, the two demos are closer than it seems:

"The biggest changes actually came from the merging of two separate cinematics, the original Elemental and the extended Elemental we showed at PS4's launch event. Each had different sun directions and required some compromises to join them. This resulted in some major lighting differences that aren't platform related but were due to it being a joined cinematic. Another effect, in the original you could see the mountains through the door where in the merged one we made the view through the door white since the mountains outside were no longer the same. Same deal with the mountain fly by. The old mountain range doesn't exist in the new one. These changes from the merge make direct comparisons somewhat inaccurate.

"Feature wise most everything is the same, AA resolution, meshes, textures (PS4 has tons of memory), DOF (I assure you both use the same Bokeh DOF, not sure why that one shot has different focal range), motion blur.

"Biggest differences are SVOGI has been replaced with a more efficient GI solution, a slight scale down in the number of particles for some FX, and tessellation is broken on ps4 in the current build which the lava used for displacement. We will fix the tessellation in the future."gpuking

So yeah same everything except the lighting position and slightly toned down particles. SVOGI is cut because it's not an economic solution even for high end PCs if used in an actual game. The final UE4 ps4 version should look much better when certain bugs are fixed.

:lol:

It's been pointed out that there is far more missing then what they say.

DOF, textures, lower texture res, less AA, WAY less particles, worse lighting and a number of other things.

So don't mind me... It's sad that the denial and lying is all they do.

I think people are forgetting something.

This gen,virtually NO dev was utilising PC's extra power before 2011.Even after that,only 2-3 devs like dice and crytek were doing it.

Yeah,PC is far more powerful,but the extra power is kind of useless since devs won't design games with pc in mind.

call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]Crysis 3 bench showing the 680 to be exactly twice as fast as 7850. http://www.techspot.com/review/642-crysis-3-performance/page5.html

Cranler

AMD has issues with Crysis 3's AA..

7 months before the 360 launch the best Nvidia card was the 6800 ultra and besides Doom 3 engine games was weaker than the 360 gpu. 6800 ultra cant even run the original Bioshock at medium settings. This is why I laugh at everyone making a big deal about PS 4 because its so much weaker for today than the 360 was for 2005. All this "thank you Sony" sillyness makes me laugh everytime.

If PS4's "7860" is between 7850 and 7870 then it's about 66 precent of GTX 680 or 680 is 1.5 times faster than "7860".

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

I think people are forgetting something.

This gen,virtually NO dev was utilising PC's extra power before 2011.Even after that,only 2-3 devs like dice and crytek were doing it.

Yeah,PC is far more powerful,but the extra power is kind of useless since devs won't design games with pc in mind.

ShadowriverUB

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

I think people are forgetting something.

This gen,virtually NO dev was utilising PC's extra power before 2011.Even after that,only 2-3 devs like dice and crytek were doing it.

Yeah,PC is far more powerful,but the extra power is kind of useless since devs won't design games with pc in mind.

call_of_duty_10

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

I think people are forgetting something.

This gen,virtually NO dev was utilising PC's extra power before 2011.Even after that,only 2-3 devs like dice and crytek were doing it.

Yeah,PC is far more powerful,but the extra power is kind of useless since devs won't design games with pc in mind.

call_of_duty_10

Epic just pulled an Epic fail. 

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

It would help if you made any sense, because what you wrote is completely incoherent.  Even someone like tormentos can sometimes manage a coherent sentence once in a blue moon.  Try harder to make sense, or don't try at all seriously.

Rage010101

Don't twist him bro.

I think he's twisting himself more than anything :lol:

Wow nice!

PChildren ask yourself this: Why choose to upgrade your computer a hundred times this upcoming gen when you can just buy PS4 and never have to upgrade?

Wow nice!

PChildren ask yourself this: Why choose to upgrade your computer a hundred times this upcoming gen when you can just buy PS4 and never have to upgrade?

EvanTheGamer

Wow nice!

PChildren ask yourself this: Why choose to upgrade your computer a hundred times this upcoming gen when you can just buy PS4 and never have to upgrade?

EvanTheGamer

Wow nice!

PChildren ask yourself this: Why choose to upgrade your computer a hundred times this upcoming gen when you can just buy PS4 and never have to upgrade?

EvanTheGamer

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Don't twist him bro.

ShadowriverUB

I think he's twisting himself more than anything :lol:

I'd take you more serious if I f*cking understood anything you are trying to say.  You're incoherent as hell man.

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Wow nice!

PChildren ask yourself this: Why choose to upgrade your computer a hundred times this upcoming gen when you can just buy PS4 and never have to upgrade?

rjdofu

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Rage010101"]

I think he's twisting himself more than anything :lol:

Rage010101

I'd take you more serious if I f*cking understood anything you are trying to say.  You're incoherent as hell man.

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] Or you just trying to make it look that way :P RAM is RAM and it obvious what it is for, so far you didn't denied what i said, you still didn't named the magical limit you talking about (sorry i still didn't forget about it), trying to despondently downgrade what i said, by saying edit a lot, i may Google a lot (which i did 0 times in this case) and i'm not making sense.... you not making much sense as you talking about some limit and can't tell what limit you talking about. Come one name it... i really can't wait to see what you gonna come out with. Is this all that legendary PC master race, unbeatable by definition can come up with?ShadowriverUB

I'd take you more serious if I f*cking understood anything you are trying to say.  You're incoherent as hell man.

More like too bad your english isnt coherent.

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

Wow nice!

PChildren ask yourself this: Why choose to upgrade your computer a hundred times this upcoming gen when you can just buy PS4 and never have to upgrade?

ShadowriverUB

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Rage010101"]

I'd take you more serious if I f*cking understood anything you are trying to say.  You're incoherent as hell man.

Rage010101

More like too bad your english isnt coherent.

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] So i guess you nor capable to understand it, or you don't want to understand it.... too bad for you i guess ^^'ShadowriverUB

More like too bad your english isnt coherent.

WTF are you on about seriously?  lol.  You're still trying to interpret something I said like 3-4 pages ago.  I'm starting to feel like im talking to a child.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Rage010101"]

More like too bad your english isnt coherent.

Rage010101

WTF are you on about seriously?  lol.  You're still trying to interpret something I said like 3-4 pages ago.  I'm starting to feel like im talking to a child.

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] This does not stop you to name magical limit you been talking about that stops game to use whole memory that it got in disposal....ShadowriverUB

WTF are you on about seriously?  lol.  You're still trying to interpret something I said like 3-4 pages ago.  I'm starting to feel like im talking to a child.

Yes, I see it now, the loop you are talking about.  I ran inside it just like you said i should.  Everything is clear now.  Inside the loop is another dimension, where the 8GB GDDR5 is limitless!  It's mid range gpu and laptop cpu are of no concern for it in this dimension, and do not pose any limitations what so ever.  The GDDR5's power is abosolute and unwavering, it is the heart, it feeds the hardware with limitless power!  As long as GDDR5 stands firm, there will never be any bottlenecking.  The apu can access memory beyond the 8GB, because GDDR5 is actually a black hole full of limitless ram space and distributes more ram power to the gpu and cpu than the sun itself!

Thank you brother, for letting me know about "teh loop", for it has made everything clear to me and I now see what you see!  Unlimited Ram Space!  GDDR5 POWAHHHHHHHHH!

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="sts106mat"]Still waiting on that link eltormo....ronvalencia

IBM themselves has stated the SPEs are "DSP like" .

A GPU without it's fix function units is more or less similar to a DSP.

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="Rage010101"]

WTF are you on about seriously?  lol.  You're still trying to interpret something I said like 3-4 pages ago.  I'm starting to feel like im talking to a child.

Rage010101

Yes, I see it now, the loop you are talking about.  I ran inside it just like you said i should.  Everything is clear now.  Inside the loop is another dimension, where the 8GB GDDR5 is limitless!  It's mid range gpu and laptop cpu are of no concern for it in this dimension, and do not pose any limitations what so ever.  The GDDR5's power is abosolute and unwavering, it is the heart, it feeds the hardware with limitless power!  As long as GDDR5 stands firm, there will never be any bottlenecking.  The apu can access memory beyond the 8GB, because GDDR5 is actually a black hole full of limitless ram space and distributes more ram power to the gpu and cpu than the sun itself!

Thank you brother, for letting me know about "teh loop", for it has made everything clear to me and I now see what you see!  Unlimited Ram Space!  GDDR5 POWAHHHHHHHHH!

More excuses. The 680 is about twice as fast as the 7850. You do know what the word "about' means right?

7 months before the 360 launch the best Nvidia card was the 6800 ultra and besides Doom 3 engine games was weaker than the 360 gpu. 6800 ultra cant even run the original Bioshock at medium settings. This is why I laugh at everyone making a big deal about PS 4 because its so much weaker for today than the 360 was for 2005. All this "thank you Sony" sillyness makes me laugh everytime.

Cranler

Yes, I see it now, the loop you are talking about.  I ran inside it just like you said i should.  Everything is clear now.  Inside the loop is another dimension, where the 8GB GDDR5 is limitless!  It's mid range gpu and laptop cpu are of no concern for it in this dimension, and do not pose any limitations what so ever.  The GDDR5's power is abosolute and unwavering, it is the heart, it feeds the hardware with limitless power!  As long as GDDR5 stands firm, there will never be any bottlenecking.  The apu can access memory beyond the 8GB, because GDDR5 is actually a black hole full of limitless ram space and distributes more ram power to the gpu and cpu than the sun itself!

Thank you brother, for letting me know about "teh loop", for it has made everything clear to me and I now see what you see!  Unlimited Ram Space!  GDDR5 POWAHHHHHHHHH!

Rage010101

[QUOTE="Rage010101"]Yes, I see it now, the loop you are talking about.  I ran inside it just like you said i should.  Everything is clear now.  Inside the loopis another dimension, where the 8GB GDDR5 is limitless!  It's mid range gpu and laptop cpu are of no concern for it in this dimension, and do not pose any limitations what so ever.  The GDDR5's power is abosolute and unwavering, it is the heart, it feeds the hardware with limitless power!  As long as GDDR5 stands firm, there will never be any bottlenecking.  The apu can access memory beyond the 8GB, because GDDR5 is actually a black hole full of limitless ram space and distributes more ram power to the gpu and cpu than the sun itself!

Thank you brother, for letting me know about "teh loop", for it has made everything clear to me and I now see what you see!  Unlimited Ram Space!  GDDR5 POWAHHHHHHHHH!

tormentos

You mean PS4 has shared RAM that will be used by OS, additional services and games. What will be left for textures won´t be more than 3-4 GB. And even so, PS4´s CPU and GPU can´t chew that much. 

You mean PS4 has shared RAM that will be used by OS, additional services and games. What will be left for textures won´t be more than 3-4 GB. And even so, PS4´s CPU and GPU can´t chew that much. jhonMalcovich

I feel sorry for those goons who just bought a $1000-$2000 legacy PC. Clearly pwned by a few hundred dollars toy. At least wait for 2014 if you're a cavemen PC gamer.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

Guess you didnt look at my join date.

360 cpu is closer to the best 2005 pc cpu's than the PS 4 is with todays cpu's.

COD 2 sp was on par with pc max settings. See here: http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/12/10/call-of-duty-2-head-to-head?page=3

 

360 gpu has unified shader architecture which wasnt even available on pc when it launched. 8800gtx is about 2x the power of the 360 gpu. 680 is about 2x the power of the 7850. The fact that the 360 didnt support dx10 is irrelavent. Witcher 2 is dx9 and looks better than any dx10 game. DX10 didnt have any big features like DX11 has with tesselation.

 

360 was comparable to a high end pc when it launched, PS 4 will be comparable to a medium end pc when it launches.

 

Cranler

Flagship gaming PCs have move beyond the single PCI-E power connector i.e. two PCI-E power connectors.

With current games, Radeon HD 7850 would have about 59.8 percent of GTX 680's performance.

The problem is the PS4's GPU has more raw power then the 7850 and far better performance in real time. You think a PC with a 7850 would match a PS4? LOl um NO

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Flagship gaming PCs have move beyond the single PCI-E power connector i.e. two PCI-E power connectors.

 

With current games, Radeon HD 7850 would have about 59.8 percent of GTX 680's performance.

 

 

AM-Gamer

The problem is the PS4's GPU has more raw power then the 7850 and far better performance in real time. You think a PC with a 7850 would match a PS4? LOl um NO

Still won´t get 60 fps in 1080p resolutions. Especially in next gen games. We are talking here either 1080p 30 fps or 720p 60 fps.

[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]You mean PS4 has shared RAM that will be used by OS, additional services and games. What will be left for textures won´t be more than 3-4 GB. And even so, PS4´s CPU and GPU can´t chew that much. tormentos

I feel sorry for those goons who just bought a $1000-$2000 legacy PC. Clearly pwned by a few hundred dollars toy. At least wait for 2014 if you're a cavemen PC gamer.

Mr_BillGates

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"]I think we all know the consoles will nearly match PC in the first year of its life this ALWAYS happens. Honestly its as if system wars doesn't know its own f*in history. Enjoy the matchup for a year then fall behind as always. when it goes into your skulls that the 8GB RAM will be limited by the CPU/GPU ....faizan_faizan

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"] It does not need any magic, RAM is just data space that can be filled with anything and stay there as much as program wants. Any CPU is capable use as much RAM as memory addressing allows, in case x86 32-bit it's 4GB in case of x86 64-bit..... it's 4 PB and PS4 CPU is 64-bit :p CPU can have any processing power, but it does not change fact that it can read and write anywhere on that 8GB RAM space without any limit (except this 4PB addressing limit and obvious RAM size). This mean even if CPU won't be able to materialize this amount of data on screen in same time, more RAM can be used to reduce load times, as once something is loaded to RAM can stay there as long as program (game) wants to. Other example from LittleBigPlanet, music sequencer in LBP2 has limit call "blue thermo" which limits number of samples (sounds of instruments) that can be used in music (overall size of samples used) with bigger ram, with more ram not only more samples can be used in same time but also better quality of samples. In other words, RAM can't be bottle-necked same as hard drive can't be(or else we talk about bandwidth), data space is data space as long as you can name it you can read and write on it whatever you like.ShadowriverUB

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Flagship gaming PCs have move beyond the single PCI-E power connector i.e. two PCI-E power connectors.

 

With current games, Radeon HD 7850 would have about 59.8 percent of GTX 680's performance.

 

 

AM-Gamer

The problem is the PS4's GPU has more raw power then the 7850 and far better performance in real time. You think a PC with a 7850 would match a PS4? LOl um NO