Eternal Sonata is not Multiplat! Get over it.

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"]There are some that do not consider it obvious, they suggest that PS3 somehow will sell as many FF13 as 360, even though 360 has trple the install base, and double the game attach ratehotdaisy18

Trust me when I say this. And take some deep breaths while you're at it. By the time FFXIII is released, PS3 will have at least double its userbase. So let's pretend. Spring 2008. PS3 units out around 8 million. That number alone justifies that a game can stay exclusive to a console. It'll have a huge sells to start. And it can be a system seller. Sony knows this and would be willing to pay SE for that exclusiveness.

Now if...and this is a big IF, FFXIII was being released this year, yes. It'd be multiplat easy. Hands down. No questions asked. This is why a lot of people are questioning MGS4. The fact that it is coming out this year. If MGS4 was a 2008 release, then I'd have no doubt in my mind that it would stay to the PS3. Just look at what happened with DMC4. 2007 release. Small userbase for the PS3. Yeah. Capcom isn't dumb. PS3 games of 2007 Cows should be worried about After that, then they can take a small breather. 2008 is going to be very very awesome for gaming. For all consoles. PS3, Wii, and 360.

But lets be serious now, 360 sales will blow up by the end of this year because of all the great games including the Lord of system sellers Halo 3 (trust, the month Halo 3 releases, 1-1.5 million+ consoles will be sold alone).  There are so many games for everyone, even hard core cows will find it hard to resist the purchase of a 360 with the great variety that will be in its library.  The Wii, which will continue to sell well because oxygen is free:lol:, will have better sales than before because of smash bros (or maybe not because everybody will own a wii that wants one by then :))

That being said the userbase for the 360 (which would be in the neighborhood, I'll say it again, neighborhood of 20 million) would be an unavoidable moneypot for anyone to grab from if they are willing to.

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="hotdaisy18"]

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"]There are some that do not consider it obvious, they suggest that PS3 somehow will sell as many FF13 as 360, even though 360 has trple the install base, and double the game attach ratehotdaisy18

Trust me when I say this. And take some deep breaths while you're at it. By the time FFXIII is released, PS3 will have at least double its userbase. So let's pretend. Spring 2008. PS3 units out around 8 million. That number alone justifies that a game can stay exclusive to a console. It'll have a huge sells to start. And it can be a system seller. Sony knows this and would be willing to pay SE for that exclusiveness.

Now if...and this is a big IF, FFXIII was being released this year, yes. It'd be multiplat easy. Hands down. No questions asked. This is why a lot of people are questioning MGS4. The fact that it is coming out this year. If MGS4 was a 2008 release, then I'd have no doubt in my mind that it would stay to the PS3. Just look at what happened with DMC4. 2007 release. Small userbase for the PS3. Yeah. Capcom isn't dumb. PS3 games of 2007 Cows should be worried about After that, then they can take a small breather. 2008 is going to be very very awesome for gaming. For all consoles. PS3, Wii, and 360.

Sony can pay for 3-4 million sales lost on 360 ? Are you sure ? Because even if PS3 is indeed 8 mill by that time, 360 will easilyl be 16 mill+, closer to 18 mill in reality, since the system sellers this year alone are counteless, on PS3 none

But let's pretend 360 will be just double the PS3 install base, and let's pretend the attach rate is same, still 360 is 2x the sales than PS3, so how could Sony pay them for 2 times more the profit they make for the game ? That seems impossible, they could as well buy the company then

People that say FF13 will remain PS3 excluisve, because sales to 8mill users, probably 1-2 million that is, are enough, just forget that 1-2 million sales are NOT enough, when you can have a total of 3-5 million sales if you move to 360 too, the difference is HUGE

It's all speculation right now. You and I both don't know what's going to happen. So why even argue it? There's no facts to what you and I can say on the issue. Opinions that no doubt will clash and in the end, where does it get us? No where. Because in the end, we both don't know what's going to happen. I really don't care where the game goes. I have all the consoles so I have nothing to sweat it over with. And each console has exclusives that I will happily enjoy. So you keep on going on about those silly sales figures of yours because no one cares. All I care about is what the game is going to look like in the end. And enjoy playing it.

Memo to self: "It's fun to argue with a fanboy once in a while. If you speak in reasonable terms. Because we all know, in SW, the fanboy is never right. But fun to laugh at."

You clearly do not understand my motives why i want FF13 on 360. Eventually i will definatly buy a PS3, for White Knight nad Drake, probably even before FF13 arrives

Now why i care for FF13 to come to 360 ? Clearly because i want one what could be one of my most favourite next gen titles to look as best as possibly can, simple as that, on PS3 the whole project will fail to impress graphicslly, already there are no shaders used at all, what makes Mass Effect NPC's amazing, and even those 2 year old Lost odyssey pics stunning, shader, do not appear at all in FF13 pics

Also AA, HDR and colors would be VASTLY better on 360, and textures could be 2x the resolution, because of the far more ram on 360, and EDRAM, plus PS3 has washed out rendering for all its games, the Nvidia GPU is plain and simple bad, i have asked around PC forums, and i can CONFIRM, ATI is supposed to render thing FAR better, with more next gen contrasts and vivid colorsm unlike Nvidia that had to add a saturation control by software, NOT possible to have on PS3 !!!!

I can confirm this, since right now i have a TI4600 video card from Nvidia

So, here is why i want 360 to get FF13, not because i have something against PS3, only it has subpar hardware, and would want my FF13 amazing, not mediocre

In case you haven't noticed, SE are very loyal nationalists to Japan, I think they'd rather die than put FFXIII on an American console.  But go ahead, and keep hoping....your just setting yourself up for disappointment.Devilwillcry

[QUOTE="hotdaisy18"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="hotdaisy18"]

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"]There are some that do not consider it obvious, they suggest that PS3 somehow will sell as many FF13 as 360, even though 360 has trple the install base, and double the game attach rategreg_splicer

Trust me when I say this. And take some deep breaths while you're at it. By the time FFXIII is released, PS3 will have at least double its userbase. So let's pretend. Spring 2008. PS3 units out around 8 million. That number alone justifies that a game can stay exclusive to a console. It'll have a huge sells to start. And it can be a system seller. Sony knows this and would be willing to pay SE for that exclusiveness.

Now if...and this is a big IF, FFXIII was being released this year, yes. It'd be multiplat easy. Hands down. No questions asked. This is why a lot of people are questioning MGS4. The fact that it is coming out this year. If MGS4 was a 2008 release, then I'd have no doubt in my mind that it would stay to the PS3. Just look at what happened with DMC4. 2007 release. Small userbase for the PS3. Yeah. Capcom isn't dumb. PS3 games of 2007 Cows should be worried about After that, then they can take a small breather. 2008 is going to be very very awesome for gaming. For all consoles. PS3, Wii, and 360.

Sony can pay for 3-4 million sales lost on 360 ? Are you sure ? Because even if PS3 is indeed 8 mill by that time, 360 will easilyl be 16 mill+, closer to 18 mill in reality, since the system sellers this year alone are counteless, on PS3 none

But let's pretend 360 will be just double the PS3 install base, and let's pretend the attach rate is same, still 360 is 2x the sales than PS3, so how could Sony pay them for 2 times more the profit they make for the game ? That seems impossible, they could as well buy the company then

People that say FF13 will remain PS3 excluisve, because sales to 8mill users, probably 1-2 million that is, are enough, just forget that 1-2 million sales are NOT enough, when you can have a total of 3-5 million sales if you move to 360 too, the difference is HUGE

It's all speculation right now. You and I both don't know what's going to happen. So why even argue it? There's no facts to what you and I can say on the issue. Opinions that no doubt will clash and in the end, where does it get us? No where. Because in the end, we both don't know what's going to happen. I really don't care where the game goes. I have all the consoles so I have nothing to sweat it over with. And each console has exclusives that I will happily enjoy. So you keep on going on about those silly sales figures of yours because no one cares. All I care about is what the game is going to look like in the end. And enjoy playing it.

Memo to self: "It's fun to argue with a fanboy once in a while. If you speak in reasonable terms. Because we all know, in SW, the fanboy is never right. But fun to laugh at."

You clearly do not understand my motives why i want FF13 on 360. Eventually i will definatly buy a PS3, for White Knight nad Drake, probably even before FF13 arrives

Now why i care for FF13 to come to 360 ? Clearly because i want one what could be one of my most favourite next gen titles to look as best as possibly can, simple as that, on PS3 the whole project will fail to impress graphicslly, already there are no shaders used at all, what makes Mass Effect NPC's amazing, and even those 2 year old Lost odyssey pics stunning, shader, do not appear at all in FF13 pics

Also AA, HDR and colors would be VASTLY better on 360, and textures could be 2x the resolution, because of the far more ram on 360, and EDRAM, plus PS3 has washed out rendering for all its games, the Nvidia GPU is plain and simple bad, i have asked around PC forums, and i can CONFIRM, ATI is supposed to render thing FAR better, with more next gen contrasts and vivid colorsm unlike Nvidia that had to add a saturation control by software, NOT possible to have on PS3 !!!!

I can confirm this, since right now i have a TI4600 video card from Nvidia

So, here is why i want 360 to get FF13, not because i have something against PS3, only it has subpar hardware, and would want my FF13 amazing, not mediocre

Listen, you obviously are in your own little world right now. I think everyone knows that the PS3 is just slightly more powerful than the 360, it just can't be show right away because it is also more difficult to develop for.  If you are not impressed with what has been shown of FFXIII so far..I don't know what will impress you.  It is easily the best looking console game shown so far and everything that has been shown is ussing the white engine, which is based on the cell, so I think you are just being a little to skeptical of the PS3 hardware.

[QUOTE="Devilwillcry"]In case you haven't noticed, SE are very loyal nationalists to Japan, I think they'd rather die than put FFXIII on an American console.  But go ahead, and keep hoping....your just setting yourself up for disappointment.Ultimas_Blade

It is true, Square HATES anything outside Japan, they would never release their games there .... oh wait, did they ? I thought they were so much in hate of western audience, people, culture, consoles, jokes etc that they would NEVER EVER release games outside Japan, right ?

So, did they give games to people they hate with all their heart ? Did they or did they not ? I am sue the board of shareholders would be like "yes we get to make some 120.000.000$ profit from FF13 on 360, but screw them, we HATE them, no way we put any game to an MS console, NO WAY !!!!"

Still project Sylpheed is only on 360 for now, maybe it is a trick, the game will contain a virus that will destroy all american consoles ? And what a bout FF7-8 on pc ? How did they permit those releases worldwide ??? I am sure they had to kill someone that made that mistake, their HATE for those US gamers is unimaginable, let aside that the game run on .... MS windows ... what they hate most

Really now, Square ould never ever consider anything outside Japan, sure, after all companie are not always after money, sometimes are after holding their racist standards more

[QUOTE="Devilwillcry"]In case you haven't noticed, SE are very loyal nationalists to Japan, I think they'd rather die than put FFXIII on an American console.  But go ahead, and keep hoping....your just setting yourself up for disappointment.Ultimas_Blade

you know there is a difference between nationalism and racism....

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="Devilwillcry"]In case you haven't noticed, SE are very loyal nationalists to Japan, I think they'd rather die than put FFXIII on an American console.  But go ahead, and keep hoping....your just setting yourself up for disappointment.Devilwillcry

you know there is a difference between nationalism and racism....

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="hotdaisy18"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="hotdaisy18"]

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"]There are some that do not consider it obvious, they suggest that PS3 somehow will sell as many FF13 as 360, even though 360 has trple the install base, and double the game attach rateDevilwillcry

Trust me when I say this. And take some deep breaths while you're at it. By the time FFXIII is released, PS3 will have at least double its userbase. So let's pretend. Spring 2008. PS3 units out around 8 million. That number alone justifies that a game can stay exclusive to a console. It'll have a huge sells to start. And it can be a system seller. Sony knows this and would be willing to pay SE for that exclusiveness.

Now if...and this is a big IF, FFXIII was being released this year, yes. It'd be multiplat easy. Hands down. No questions asked. This is why a lot of people are questioning MGS4. The fact that it is coming out this year. If MGS4 was a 2008 release, then I'd have no doubt in my mind that it would stay to the PS3. Just look at what happened with DMC4. 2007 release. Small userbase for the PS3. Yeah. Capcom isn't dumb. PS3 games of 2007 Cows should be worried about After that, then they can take a small breather. 2008 is going to be very very awesome for gaming. For all consoles. PS3, Wii, and 360.

Sony can pay for 3-4 million sales lost on 360 ? Are you sure ? Because even if PS3 is indeed 8 mill by that time, 360 will easilyl be 16 mill+, closer to 18 mill in reality, since the system sellers this year alone are counteless, on PS3 none

But let's pretend 360 will be just double the PS3 install base, and let's pretend the attach rate is same, still 360 is 2x the sales than PS3, so how could Sony pay them for 2 times more the profit they make for the game ? That seems impossible, they could as well buy the company then

People that say FF13 will remain PS3 excluisve, because sales to 8mill users, probably 1-2 million that is, are enough, just forget that 1-2 million sales are NOT enough, when you can have a total of 3-5 million sales if you move to 360 too, the difference is HUGE

It's all speculation right now. You and I both don't know what's going to happen. So why even argue it? There's no facts to what you and I can say on the issue. Opinions that no doubt will clash and in the end, where does it get us? No where. Because in the end, we both don't know what's going to happen. I really don't care where the game goes. I have all the consoles so I have nothing to sweat it over with. And each console has exclusives that I will happily enjoy. So you keep on going on about those silly sales figures of yours because no one cares. All I care about is what the game is going to look like in the end. And enjoy playing it.

Memo to self: "It's fun to argue with a fanboy once in a while. If you speak in reasonable terms. Because we all know, in SW, the fanboy is never right. But fun to laugh at."

You clearly do not understand my motives why i want FF13 on 360. Eventually i will definatly buy a PS3, for White Knight nad Drake, probably even before FF13 arrives

Now why i care for FF13 to come to 360 ? Clearly because i want one what could be one of my most favourite next gen titles to look as best as possibly can, simple as that, on PS3 the whole project will fail to impress graphicslly, already there are no shaders used at all, what makes Mass Effect NPC's amazing, and even those 2 year old Lost odyssey pics stunning, shader, do not appear at all in FF13 pics

Also AA, HDR and colors would be VASTLY better on 360, and textures could be 2x the resolution, because of the far more ram on 360, and EDRAM, plus PS3 has washed out rendering for all its games, the Nvidia GPU is plain and simple bad, i have asked around PC forums, and i can CONFIRM, ATI is supposed to render thing FAR better, with more next gen contrasts and vivid colorsm unlike Nvidia that had to add a saturation control by software, NOT possible to have on PS3 !!!!

I can confirm this, since right now i have a TI4600 video card from Nvidia

So, here is why i want 360 to get FF13, not because i have something against PS3, only it has subpar hardware, and would want my FF13 amazing, not mediocre

Listen, you obviously are in your own little world right now. I think everyone knows that the PS3 is just slightly more powerful than the 360, it just can't be show right away because it is also more difficult to develop for.  If you are not impressed with what has been shown of FFXIII so far..I don't know what will impress you.  It is easily the best looking console game shown so far and everything that has been shown is ussing the white engine, which is based on the cell, so I think you are just being a little to skeptical of the PS3 hardware.

All i see of PS3 for now

1. Downgraded as HELL exclusive titles, like Lair and HS that have garbage graphics and textures

2. Oblivion on PS3 having no AA, worst HDR, some lower res textures, washed out colors/shadow/HDR

3. ALL multipltaforms looking from equal to FAR FAR worst on PS3, especially SC4, Enchanted Arms and Fear look like a generation behind

4. Splinter Cell 5 can't be done on PS3

5. The darkness developers sai 360 will have better textures due to more ram

6. Colin DIRT is delayed MONTHS for PS3, runs amazing on 360

7. FF13 pics lack ANY shaders at all, look at Mass Effect NPC's, he faces look 3D, not on FF13, same with souroundings, flat textures everywhere, and the downgrade of what we have seen is a given, ALL PS3 games got downgraded

8. Assaisns Creed is running on 360, PS3 version we have seen nothing of

So, after the above ONSLAUGHT, how am i supposed to believe that MAGICALLY PS3 will have as good textures/ HDR, colors, lighting, shaders as 360 version ? NO WAY

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="Devilwillcry"]In case you haven't noticed, SE are very loyal nationalists to Japan, I think they'd rather die than put FFXIII on an American console.  But go ahead, and keep hoping....your just setting yourself up for disappointment.greg_splicer

It is true, Square HATES anything outside Japan, they would never release their games there .... oh wait, did they ? I thought they were so much in hate of western audience, people, culture, consoles, jokes etc that they would NEVER EVER release games outside Japan, right ?

So, did they give games to people they hate with all their heart ? Did they or did they not ? I am sue the board of shareholders would be like "yes we get to make some 120.000.000$ profit from FF13 on 360, but screw them, we HATE them, no way we put any game to an MS console, NO WAY !!!!"

Still project Sylpheed is only on 360 for now, maybe it is a trick, the game will contain a virus that will destroy all american consoles ? And what a bout FF7-8 on pc ? How did they permit those releases worldwide ??? I am sure they had to kill someone that made that mistake, their HATE for those US gamers is unimaginable, let aside that the game run on .... MS windows ... what they hate most

Really now, Square ould never ever consider anything outside Japan, sure, after all companie are not always after money, sometimes are after holding their racist standards more

WOW, way to blow what I said out of proportion. of course SE would never eliminate a potential market, but by helping another Japanese company who they happen to be partnered with by keeping a very big title exclusive seems right in their ally especially if they really have no reason to put that game on the 360. A) because it is not possible on the system, and SE's past (or lack there of) with multiplats. or B) becuase Sony is beating MS in Japan and they could get what they need from Japan only, if they needed to (every FF game since VII has been profitable before it left Japan).  But you are right in a way, SE could release FFXIII exclusivly in Japan and make a profit and screw the rest of the world over, they could be the nationalists they are and still be successful.

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"]

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="Devilwillcry"]In case you haven't noticed, SE are very loyal nationalists to Japan, I think they'd rather die than put FFXIII on an American console.  But go ahead, and keep hoping....your just setting yourself up for disappointment.Devilwillcry

It is true, Square HATES anything outside Japan, they would never release their games there .... oh wait, did they ? I thought they were so much in hate of western audience, people, culture, consoles, jokes etc that they would NEVER EVER release games outside Japan, right ?

So, did they give games to people they hate with all their heart ? Did they or did they not ? I am sue the board of shareholders would be like "yes we get to make some 120.000.000$ profit from FF13 on 360, but screw them, we HATE them, no way we put any game to an MS console, NO WAY !!!!"

Still project Sylpheed is only on 360 for now, maybe it is a trick, the game will contain a virus that will destroy all american consoles ? And what a bout FF7-8 on pc ? How did they permit those releases worldwide ??? I am sure they had to kill someone that made that mistake, their HATE for those US gamers is unimaginable, let aside that the game run on .... MS windows ... what they hate most

Really now, Square ould never ever consider anything outside Japan, sure, after all companie are not always after money, sometimes are after holding their racist standards more

WOW, way to blow what I said out of proportion. of course SE would never eliminate a potential market, but by helping another Japanese company who they happen to be partnered with by keeping a very big title exclusive seems right in their ally especially if they really have no reason to put that game on the 360. A) because it is not possible on the system, and SE's past (or lack there of) with multiplats. or B) becuase Sony is beating MS in Japan and they could get what they need from Japan only, if they needed to (every FF game since VII has been profitable before it left Japan).  But you are right in a way, SE could release FFXIII exclusivly in Japan and make a profit and screw the rest of the world over, they could be the nationalists they are and still be successful.

A) not only FF13 is "possible" on 360, but would look FAR better too

B) not only Square is totally multiplatform, but they even release FF7-8 on PC, and FF11 on PC/360, Project Sylpheed on Xbox 360, CC1-2 on GC-Wii etc etc

How are they not multiplatform exactly ?  Simply with 120million PS2, they had no reason to move FF anywhere else, but now they do have 3-4 million reasons on 360 to do so

Also you have no idea how companies work, do you ? In the end it is all about money, FF13 has a HUGE demand on 360, and is not restricted in any way by Sony, what is most possible is that it will come to 360 too, remember Square were not on PS1 at first, they SCREWED someone right there, they can easilly do it again now, there is nothing loyal about business

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"] [QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="Devilwillcry"]In case you haven't noticed, SE are very loyal nationalists to Japan, I think they'd rather die than put FFXIII on an American console.  But go ahead, and keep hoping....your just setting yourself up for disappointment.Devilwillcry

It is true, Square HATES anything outside Japan, they would never release their games there .... oh wait, did they ? I thought they were so much in hate of western audience, people, culture, consoles, jokes etc that they would NEVER EVER release games outside Japan, right ?

So, did they give games to people they hate with all their heart ? Did they or did they not ? I am sue the board of shareholders would be like "yes we get to make some 120.000.000$ profit from FF13 on 360, but screw them, we HATE them, no way we put any game to an MS console, NO WAY !!!!"

Still project Sylpheed is only on 360 for now, maybe it is a trick, the game will contain a virus that will destroy all american consoles ? And what a bout FF7-8 on pc ? How did they permit those releases worldwide ??? I am sure they had to kill someone that made that mistake, their HATE for those US gamers is unimaginable, let aside that the game run on .... MS windows ... what they hate most

Really now, Square ould never ever consider anything outside Japan, sure, after all companie are not always after money, sometimes are after holding their racist standards more

You make reference to SE exclusivity history, remember when they made the jump from Nintendo to Sony? Total uproar.  Now bringing that notion into terms of today, would it be so horrible to release exclusively on the 360?  That's just a thought, I really believe it will just become a multiplat title being a timed exclusive in favor of the PS3. 

And they are not nationalists, what about FFXI?

[QUOTE="Devilwillcry"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="hotdaisy18"][QUOTE="greg_splicer"][QUOTE="hotdaisy18"]

[QUOTE="greg_splicer"]There are some that do not consider it obvious, they suggest that PS3 somehow will sell as many FF13 as 360, even though 360 has trple the install base, and double the game attach rategreg_splicer

Trust me when I say this. And take some deep breaths while you're at it. By the time FFXIII is released, PS3 will have at least double its userbase. So let's pretend. Spring 2008. PS3 units out around 8 million. That number alone justifies that a game can stay exclusive to a console. It'll have a huge sells to start. And it can be a system seller. Sony knows this and would be willing to pay SE for that exclusiveness.

Now if...and this is a big IF, FFXIII was being released this year, yes. It'd be multiplat easy. Hands down. No questions asked. This is why a lot of people are questioning MGS4. The fact that it is coming out this year. If MGS4 was a 2008 release, then I'd have no doubt in my mind that it would stay to the PS3. Just look at what happened with DMC4. 2007 release. Small userbase for the PS3. Yeah. Capcom isn't dumb. PS3 games of 2007 Cows should be worried about After that, then they can take a small breather. 2008 is going to be very very awesome for gaming. For all consoles. PS3, Wii, and 360.

Sony can pay for 3-4 million sales lost on 360 ? Are you sure ? Because even if PS3 is indeed 8 mill by that time, 360 will easilyl be 16 mill+, closer to 18 mill in reality, since the system sellers this year alone are counteless, on PS3 none

But let's pretend 360 will be just double the PS3 install base, and let's pretend the attach rate is same, still 360 is 2x the sales than PS3, so how could Sony pay them for 2 times more the profit they make for the game ? That seems impossible, they could as well buy the company then

People that say FF13 will remain PS3 excluisve, because sales to 8mill users, probably 1-2 million that is, are enough, just forget that 1-2 million sales are NOT enough, when you can have a total of 3-5 million sales if you move to 360 too, the difference is HUGE

It's all speculation right now. You and I both don't know what's going to happen. So why even argue it? There's no facts to what you and I can say on the issue. Opinions that no doubt will clash and in the end, where does it get us? No where. Because in the end, we both don't know what's going to happen. I really don't care where the game goes. I have all the consoles so I have nothing to sweat it over with. And each console has exclusives that I will happily enjoy. So you keep on going on about those silly sales figures of yours because no one cares. All I care about is what the game is going to look like in the end. And enjoy playing it.

Memo to self: "It's fun to argue with a fanboy once in a while. If you speak in reasonable terms. Because we all know, in SW, the fanboy is never right. But fun to laugh at."

You clearly do not understand my motives why i want FF13 on 360. Eventually i will definatly buy a PS3, for White Knight nad Drake, probably even before FF13 arrives

Now why i care for FF13 to come to 360 ? Clearly because i want one what could be one of my most favourite next gen titles to look as best as possibly can, simple as that, on PS3 the whole project will fail to impress graphicslly, already there are no shaders used at all, what makes Mass Effect NPC's amazing, and even those 2 year old Lost odyssey pics stunning, shader, do not appear at all in FF13 pics

Also AA, HDR and colors would be VASTLY better on 360, and textures could be 2x the resolution, because of the far more ram on 360, and EDRAM, plus PS3 has washed out rendering for all its games, the Nvidia GPU is plain and simple bad, i have asked around PC forums, and i can CONFIRM, ATI is supposed to render thing FAR better, with more next gen contrasts and vivid colorsm unlike Nvidia that had to add a saturation control by software, NOT possible to have on PS3 !!!!

I can confirm this, since right now i have a TI4600 video card from Nvidia

So, here is why i want 360 to get FF13, not because i have something against PS3, only it has subpar hardware, and would want my FF13 amazing, not mediocre

Listen, you obviously are in your own little world right now. I think everyone knows that the PS3 is just slightly more powerful than the 360, it just can't be show right away because it is also more difficult to develop for.  If you are not impressed with what has been shown of FFXIII so far..I don't know what will impress you.  It is easily the best looking console game shown so far and everything that has been shown is ussing the white engine, which is based on the cell, so I think you are just being a little to skeptical of the PS3 hardware.

All i see of PS3 for now

1. Downgraded as HELL exclusive titles, like Lair and HS that have garbage graphics and textures

2. Oblivion on PS3 having no AA, worst HDR, some lower res textures, washed out colors/shadow/HDR

3. ALL multipltaforms looking from equal to FAR FAR worst on PS3, especially SC4, Enchanted Arms and Fear look like a generation behind

4. Splinter Cell 5 can't be done on PS3

5. The darkness developers sai 360 will have better textures due to more ram

6. Colin DIRT is delayed MONTHS for PS3, runs amazing on 360

7. FF13 pics lack ANY shaders at all, look at Mass Effect NPC's, he faces look 3D, not on FF13, same with souroundings, flat textures everywhere, and the downgrade of what we have seen is a given, ALL PS3 games got downgraded

8. Assaisns Creed is running on 360, PS3 version we have seen nothing of

So, after the above ONSLAUGHT, how am i supposed to believe that MAGICALLY PS3 will have as good textures/ HDR, colors, lighting, shaders as 360 version ? NO WAY

Lair is the next step forward, it looks as good as Gears and is on a massive scale with loads of things going on in the background all in real time, oh and just so you know Julian Eggbert said that the game is not posssible on the 360, Have you seen the draw distance it has?  Like I said it is still early for the PS3, and the fact that it looks this good this early with the fact that it has a more complex architechture than 360, shows that the machine is far mroe capable than the 360.  Yeah, I remember the crappy GUN and THUG2 and Madden games the 360 had, where everyone claimed that the Xbox version looked better, give the developers time.  I don't know why you think Hevenly Sword looks like crap, its called having an art style.  The game looks very nice right now, and the game play sounds intriguing.  I am sick of arguing about this, you can keep your hopes up for FFXIII on the 360, but its not gonna happen.  It is just too reliant on the cell. I will be enjoying it on day 1, you can be bitter and hope for a port, but Sqaure never ports, their not Capcom.  As mediocre as you think the PS3 may make it with this "mythical" power the 360 holds over it, I will be enjoying the best looking console game to date in 2008. The UE3 engine is only the first step of the next gen, the white engine is the next step.  It is also hard to understand your argument when some developers are saying this:

"But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform", he says. Sorry kids. Your "OMGMGS4360" banners will have to come out another day. - Hideo Kojima

 apparently the 360 can only deliver a "DVD-level" experience, while the PS3 can deliver a "home-theatre" like experince.  anyways, I have not heard any developer say anything along those lines, in favor of the 360.  so take it as you will, I am going to bed so respond if you want, I won't be reading it.

Lair  looks as good as Gears ? teh effects and textures are no better than xbox 1 ones, are you kidding ? kameo destroys that game in every way, from the laughable cookie cutter armies, to the worst textures i have seen in dragons, mountains etc

Yo uclearly have not seen 720p pics of either Lair or HS, thr HS textures look like a joke in the actuall 720p pictures, thre is nothing next gen about those two games, Kameo easilly feels 2x more next gen and more

As for FF13 relied on the cell, i have seen 10x better graphics on 360, so WHO THE HELL cares for the "cell", they can easilly make same or far better graphics with 360 anyway

As for that crap, DVD-level experience and BS, those are just hype BS, any Blue ray game can be done on 3-4 DVD's, especially FF games

Also how do you explain that Splinter Cell 5 can't be done on PS3 ???

Just wondering but I must have missed the FFXIII going multiplat can I please have a link for it?DriftMax

It was here a few weeks ago, I don't know where it is now though sorry. However basically what they were saying was that FF13 will most likely be put on another console in one form or another.