Everyone Realizes That A $400 PS3 Is Game Over For M$ Right?

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]No one's pretending antyhing. Assuming this price-drop will happen, Microsoft will simply not stand a chance.
Cry0Tek

agreed 110%

Just keep those "quotes" in your sig (-Renegade)so you can appologize to their original posters next Jan.

Naw, he wont. Hell just say something like, bu buh buh MGS4 comes out soon, and teh Killzone.

So Haze and Uncharted aren't interesting?

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]why do u all say that? its multiplat. Pariah_001

During the holidays, it's exclusively Sony's baby.

Plus, the PC UT3 community will be able to interact with the new PS3 UT community.

Actually, no it won't.

"Unreal Tournament 3, the sequel to PC shooter favourite, will not have connectivity between PC and PS3.

Mark Rein, VP of Epic games, confirmed that, initially, their will be no cross platform multiplayer. The reason? According to Mr Rein; "The biggest challenge in doing cross platform play is [synchronizing] the builds such that the build on the PC is 100% compatible with the build on the PS3".

This is due somewhat to the 'certification' process when making something for a console, i.e., Sony would have to sign off on any patches and updates etc, where as on the PC, the patches don't have as many checks.

"[This] would not be in the best interests of our very loyal PC user base, because we would constantly be holding on to updates to wait until they passed cert on the console platform" said Mr Rein.

Apparently though, when the game has 'settled down', i.e., post-release issues being fixed, Epic may consider cross platform play, although according to Mr Rein, "even then the likelihood is small"."

And since when is UT3 a PS3 exclusive? It's launching at the same time as the PC version and we all know that if a game is on the PC and one other console, it's not exclusive.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

I'd be pretty shocked if Sony cut the price of the PS3 twice less than 12 months after launch. Weren't they losing enough money already?

Even if they did that, a $400 PS3 wouldn't guarantee victory. There still aren't many compelling reasons to purchase the console at this time. I could see a price cut at some point in 2008, but a price cut now would be rather surprising.

jg4xchamp

can you walk into any store right now and find a $500 ps3? a $400 ps3 would be a guarenteed hit this holiday season with titles like ut3 and haze exclusive to ps3 plus all the other multiplats arriving on the same day on both consoleslike assassin's creed.

i'll just use oblivion and bioshock as examples. both came on 360 and pc the same day and both did better on 360 in sales numbers. to say this game won't be a huge success on ps3 is wishful thinking at best.

NO ITS NOT. IT LAUNCHES ON PC AT THE SAME TIME.

Yes, but what does this have to do with the PS3's fracnhises combatting Microsoft? I already pointed out that both communities will be able to collaborate and the people who don't find computer-gaming userfriendly enough will still get UT3 on the PS3.

SO no its multiplat. Great they can interact. but why would the UT 3 community suddenly jump ship?

What does that even mean? The point is that the console goers will be able to play with an already established community rather than build one.

what do they gain.

Better mods? no PC mods have more freedom

I don't think you realize what is required to make a mod for UT. First you have to write the code on a PC and upload it to your PS3. So this is moot.

Better graphics? no

Based on what? You're expectations?

Are you gonna tell me that every PC out there that plays UT3 is going to surpass the quality on the PS3?

Better control scheme? no

Eh. That's your opinion.

Cheaper hardware for graphics quality? no because the PS3 itself is expensive to begin with.

And yet it saves more time for those who don't want to have to deal with the computer installing.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

How is it free when you are paying for it? :?

:lol:

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Cry0Tek

ms charges you for their player sony throws it in for free.

Blu-ray is one of the factors that makes up the PS3's ridiculous price. Free? That's just moronic to say the least.

a $400 ps3 with blu ray player i would say it's pretty much free.

To bad the critics and everybody who has played it usually agrees that its of high quality and depth and actually worht 60 bucks unlike other games these days.

Sales and critical scores can measure quality as well. The game must be doing something right to keep that many people happy.

But let me guess Halo is overrated while other commercial and critical successes are excellent like MGS ,FF, Zelda, Smash Bros, Gran Turismo, Mario, Mario Kart, Playstation, Nintendo,etc.jg4xchamp

It's good to know that you follow other people's testimony without question. Zombie much?

The games is what sells a system. Sorry but Sony has nothing this holiday that would get the masses interested.pilotc

ratchet and clank, uncharted, cod 4, assassin's creed, eye of judgement, socom, haze, uncharted, gt prologue, folklore, guitar hero 3 and rock band are hardly nothing my friend.

MS already made a 50$ profit on the 360 while Sony still sold at a loss , MS just put the Falcon in the shops with the 65 Nm chip set that's cooler , more reliable and even cheaper to make .Caseytappy

Microsoft has yet to profit off of either of their consoles whereas Sony is still profiting on the PS2 Hardware and software sales, so you're not gonna get very far with this.

NO ITS NOT. IT LAUNCHES ON PC AT THE SAME TIME.

Yes, but what does this have to do with the PS3's fracnhises combatting Microsoft? I already pointed out that both communities will be able to collaborate and the people who don't find computer-gaming userfriendly enough will still get UT3 on the PS3.

SO no its multiplat. Great they can interact. but why would the UT 3 community suddenly jump ship?

What does that even mean? The point is that the console goers will be able to play with an already established community rather than build one.

what do they gain.

Better mods? no PC mods have more freedom

I don't think you realize what is required to make a mod for UT. First you have to write the code on a PC and upload it to your PS3. So this is moot.

Better graphics? no

Based on what? You're expectations?

Are you gonna tell me that every PC out there that plays UT3 is going to surpass the quality on the PS3?

Better control scheme? no

Eh. That's your opinion.

Cheaper hardware for graphics quality? no because the PS3 itself is expensive to begin with.

And yet it saves more time for those who don't want to have to deal with the computer installing.

Pariah_001

Do a little reasearch, and stop bolding and capitlizing everything.

[QUOTE="Cry0Tek"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

How is it free when you are paying for it? :?

:lol:

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-Renegade

ms charges you for their player sony throws it in for free.

Blu-ray is one of the factors that makes up the PS3's ridiculous price. Free? That's just moronic to say the least.

a $400 ps3 with blu ray player i would say it's pretty much free.

If you spend $400 it is free!?!?!?! :lol: Do you even read the stuff you write?

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]360 has NA in the bag with Halo 3 and the superior Madden 08. Also if the Madden challenge remains with the 360 well than thats more madden players to the 360.

With nothing to rival Halo 3 in sales in NA, the PS3 will lose there completely. No unreal 3 will not put up Halo numbers on PS3 because most of that community of unreal gamers have to have become morons to suddenly not play the superior PC version.

As for Europe, Forza 2 has been successful, Halo 3 is doing very good there, PGR 4 another great racing game will do well and considering the success call of duty games have had on the 360, i think that trend will continue with COD 4 to help the 360 more than PS3.

Japan 360 lost that along time ago, sadly Wii stomped the PS3 there in Japan as well as the NA and Europe.

So during the holidays i still see
1-Wii
2-360
3-PS3

World wide.Cry0Tek

halo and halo 2didn't make xbox win so what makes you think it will with 360? and who knows how ut3 will do but ps3 also has haze and sony's big exclusives for this year ratchet and uncharted. you do know that ps3 and 360 are basically selling the same in europe even ps3 cost more right? oh and have you seen this.

Developers Concern Over EU 360 Sales

Halo 3...9.5=Proven AAA. $170million on first day in the U.S.A. alone. When the PS3 can PROVE some decent (at least) games I will un-label you as a moron. Deal?

and when you come back with me with some real logic i will do the same deal?

if :?

and no it would not be game over. sony would have to play catch-up first no?

"Unreal Tournament 3, the sequel to PC shooter favourite, will not have connectivity between PC and PS3.

Mark Rein, VP of Epic games, confirmed that, initially, their will be no cross platform multiplayer. The reason? According to Mr Rein; "The biggest challenge in doing cross platform play is [synchronizing] the builds such that the build on the PC is 100% compatible with the build on the PS3".

This is due somewhat to the 'certification' process when making something for a console, i.e., Sony would have to sign off on any patches and updates etc, where as on the PC, the patches don't have as many checks.

"[This] would not be in the best interests of our very loyal PC user base, because we would constantly be holding on to updates to wait until they passed cert on the console platform" said Mr Rein.

Apparently though, when the game has 'settled down', i.e., post-release issues being fixed, Epic may consider cross platform play, although according to Mr Rein,"even then the likelihood is small"."

And since when is UT3 a PS3 exclusive? It's launching at the same time as the PC version and we all know that if a game is on the PC and one other console, it's not exclusive.

First of all, I'd like a source and a date. I know that they said they couldn't at first because it didn't seem doable, but recently, they said they could get around the problem.

Second of all, as long as it sells on the PS3, as opposed to the 360, it doesn't matter if it's on the PC because it's still succeeding in market penetration before MS.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

So Haze and Uncharted aren't interesting?

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]why do u all say that? its multiplat. tango90101

During the holidays, it's exclusively Sony's baby.

Plus, the PC UT3 community will be able to interact with the new PS3 UT community.

I thought they didn't have pc/ps3 interactivity...

if your idea is true, i feel bad for ps3 fans playing pc gamers....

that's gonna be ugly...(for the cows) :lol:

we will be able to use mods we just won't cross platform play.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

I'd be pretty shocked if Sony cut the price of the PS3 twice less than 12 months after launch. Weren't they losing enough money already?

Even if they did that, a $400 PS3 wouldn't guarantee victory. There still aren't many compelling reasons to purchase the console at this time. I could see a price cut at some point in 2008, but a price cut now would be rather surprising.

-Renegade

can you walk into any store right now and find a $500 ps3? a $400 ps3 would be a guarenteed hit this holiday season with titles like ut3 and haze exclusive to ps3 plus all the other multiplats arriving on the same day on both consoleslike assassin's creed.

i'll just use oblivion and bioshock as examples. both came on 360 and pc the same day and both did better on 360 in sales numbers. to say this game won't be a huge success on ps3 is wishful thinking at best.

As I said before: It doesn't matter how many the PC version sells because the PS3 would still be getting the foothold before Microsoft.

Do a little reasearch, and stop bolding and capitlizing everything.kevy619

Instead of relying on one-liners, perhaps you could try making a point.

And, unfortunately, these boards are so screwy that I can't have more than one quote box without the html errors going off.

As I said before: It doesn't matter how many the PC version sells because the PS3 would still be getting the foothold before Microsoft.

[QUOTE="kevy619"]Do a little reasearch, and stop bolding and capitlizing everything.Pariah_001

Instead of relying on one-liners, perhaps you could try making a point.

And, unfortunately, these boards are so screwy that I can't have more than one quote box without the html errors going off.

You havent made any valid points as of yet. You do know that UT has only sold 1 million copies on pc right? So what is your point? The ps3 lineup is still much worse than the 360 lineup this year, thus the xbox 360 will continue to sell better.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]And how can they expect to get return at those prices? You're the one talking about how Microsoft won't cut prices a second time because 'they learned their lesson'. Why is Sony exempt from the very same lessons?Pariah_001

I didn't say "learn their lesson," I said they lost a billion dollars.

Considering they have already established a strong userbase, their time for market penetration has passed. Sony is still knee-deep in their first year of erecting a user-base.

Sony was the market leader last generation. They shouldn't be the ones forcing major losses on themselves in order to move units. They'd have to be really worried about losing everything in order to do that, because the monetary return alone wouldn't justify such a move.sonicmj1

You're greatly under-estimating the efficiency of mass-production a year after release. Yes, they were losing money in the first order, but with Blu-ray and the cell picking up in the market, mass production gets cheaper with each assembly-line built.

Then CAN afford this.

If I remember correctly, Sony was losing hundreds on each console before. I know that mass-production makes things cheaper, but they'd have to have cut their manufacturing costs by a lot in order for a price cut of this magnitude to be affordable.

The billion dollars that Microsoft declared as a loss in their warranty plan shouldn't influence their future decisions. It's a sunk cost in the past. It won't come out in their next earnings report, so why should they lose marketshare as a result? If Sony can afford it, Microsoft certainly can as well.

The point is not that they can handle it, the point is that their fiscal policies would reason against it. As I said, they lost a billion dollars in a single quarter over technical issues. Sony was at least able to stretch out their losses through inflation rather than customer service and maintenence. Going through with a continuous price-drop while juggling an established user-base that consists totally of the very defective hardware that cost them a billion dollars is too risky.

You havent made any valid points as of yet.kevy619

ANother sweeping comment. How very original coming from you.

You do know that UT has only sold 1 million copies on pc right? So what is your point? The ps3 lineup is still much worse than the 360 lineup this year, thus the xbox 360 will continue to sell better.

....You haven't read a single post I've written.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="Cry0Tek"]

Blu-ray is one of the factors that makes up the PS3's ridiculous price. Free? That's just moronic to say the least.

dhjohns

a $400 ps3 with blu ray player i would say it's pretty much free.

If you spend $400 it is free!?!?!?! :lol: Do you even read the stuff you write?

i'm not saying the ps3 is free :? i am saying that the blu ray player that you get with it pretty much is...

And you base this on....the log you just left in the toilet? Ps I agree with both of your sigs quotes.

First of all, I'd like a source and a date. I know that they said they couldn't at first because it didn't seem doable, but recently, they said they could get around the problem.

Second of all, as long as it sells on the PS3, as opposed to the 360, it doesn't matter if it's on the PC because it's still succeeding in market penetration before MS.

Pariah_001

Actually, I copied and pasted that from another post someone else made and they did not have a source. I do have links though, just from different sources that basically say the same thing. LINK 1LINK 2They didn't rule it out entirely, but I doubt it will become a reality.

That market penetration you speak of will be split between two versions as opposed to three, I don't see this as a big deal when you consider that UT's fanbase is, for the most part, confined to the PC.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

As I said before: It doesn't matter how many the PC version sells because the PS3 would still be getting the foothold before Microsoft.

[QUOTE="kevy619"]Do a little reasearch, and stop bolding and capitlizing everything.kevy619

Instead of relying on one-liners, perhaps you could try making a point.

And, unfortunately, these boards are so screwy that I can't have more than one quote box without the html errors going off.

You havent made any valid points as of yet. You do know that UT has only sold 1 million copies on pc right? So what is your point? The ps3 lineup is still much worse than the 360 lineup this year, thus the xbox 360 will continue to sell better.

i disagree ps3 has some awesome games coming this year.

You realize there are literally no good games out now that I can't play on anything else?

All I'm waiting for is MGS4.

UT3 isn't exclusive for Sony. PC is getting it.manningbowl135

Isn't the 360 getting it also? :?

[QUOTE="kevy619"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

As I said before: It doesn't matter how many the PC version sells because the PS3 would still be getting the foothold before Microsoft.

[QUOTE="kevy619"]Do a little reasearch, and stop bolding and capitlizing everything.-Renegade

Instead of relying on one-liners, perhaps you could try making a point.

And, unfortunately, these boards are so screwy that I can't have more than one quote box without the html errors going off.

You havent made any valid points as of yet. You do know that UT has only sold 1 million copies on pc right? So what is your point? The ps3 lineup is still much worse than the 360 lineup this year, thus the xbox 360 will continue to sell better.

i disagree ps3 has some awesome games coming this year.

Yes I agree, however the 360 games are eclipsing them.

Actually, I copied and pasted that from another post someone else made and they did not have a source. I do have links though, just from different sources that basically say the same thing. LINK 1LINK 2They didn't rule it out entirely, but I doubt it will become a reality.The_Game21x

Damn.

That market penetration you speak of will be split between two versions as opposed to three, I don't see this as a big deal when you consider that UT's fanbase is, for the most part, confined to the PC.

I'm sure the UT fanbased isn't the only group of users who could have fun with the game.

The point is not that they can handle it, the point is that their fiscal policies would reason against it. As I said, they lost a billion dollars in a single quarter over technical issues. Sony was at least able to stretch out their losses through inflation rather than customer service and maintenence. Going through with a continuous price-drop while juggling an established user-base that consists totally of the very defective hardware that cost them a billion dollars is too risky.

[QUOTE="kevy619"]You havent made any valid points as of yet.Pariah_001

ANother sweeping comment. How very original coming from you.

You do know that UT has only sold 1 million copies on pc right? So what is your point? The ps3 lineup is still much worse than the 360 lineup this year, thus the xbox 360 will continue to sell better.kevy619

....You haven't read a single post I've written.

But that hardware will never cost them another cent on their financial reports. The billion dollars was a one-time loss set aside for the warranty stuff.

Considering they aren't going to lose any more money on the hardware, there's no reason for them to let that billion dollars affect their decision-making. I don't think that Microsoft wants to drop the price either (they dropped it just recently, after all), but if they were under pressure from their competitors to do so, another price drop isn't impossible to imagine.

PS: The way you add on extra quotes (

instead of [QUOTE="XXX"]) means that I have to go back and fix them when I reply. That's rather annoying.

You do realize the TC makesa slight variation of thissame post several times a day everyday?JiveT

[QUOTE="Cry0Tek"][QUOTE="-Renegade"][QUOTE="_en1gma_"]

How is it free when you are paying for it? :?

:lol:

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-Renegade

ms charges you for their player sony throws it in for free.

Blu-ray is one of the factors that makes up the PS3's ridiculous price. Free? That's just moronic to say the least.

a $400 ps3 with blu ray player i would say it's pretty much free.

Of course YOU'D say that.

I apologize, but this board format is very non-userfriendly for my browser.

Considering they aren't going to lose any more money on the hardware, there's no reason for them to let that billion dollars affect their decision-making.sonicmj1

They may or they may not. For all they know, the defective hardware rate could peek way beyond 40% multiple times and eat up the billion dollars they set aside. What you have to keeop in mind here is that they flat out refuse to do a recall. So even if they flood the market with products that actually work properly, you're still gonna have this stray 14 million units they refuse to take off the market entirely. A lot of the units are refurbished, which means they've broken down repeatedly. i.e. They're going to be spending money on repairs for the same individual systems over and over and over again--Even after the 65 nm versions take majority, this one ratio will still slow them down.

But hey, you may be right, and they'll pull out of the downward spin. We're just betting on different horses here.

I apologize, but this board format is very non-userfriendly for my browser.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]Considering they aren't going to lose any more money on the hardware, there's no reason for them to let that billion dollars affect their decision-making.Pariah_001

They may or they may not. For all they know, the defective hardware rate could peek way beyond 40% multiple times and eat up the billion dollars they set aside. What you have to keeop in mind here is that they flat out refuse to do a recall. So even if they flood the market with products that actually work properly, you're still gonna have this stray 14 million units they refuse to take off the market entirely. A lot of the units are refurbished, which means they've broken down repeatedly. i.e. They're going to be spending money on repairs for the same individual systems over and over and over again--Even after the 65 nm versions take majority, this one ratio will still slow them down.

But hey, you may be right, and they'll pull out of the downward spin. We're just betting on different horses here.

The billion already cover all those faulty consoles. The newer consoles are nowhere near as faulty, some wont admit it but its very rare that an xbox 360 elite will break. Even anything manufactured after august 2006 was alot more reliable.

It's not already "game over" for MS?

Just like Halo 3 would be the biggest flop ever?

And how many times have you made a thread saying this? Are you really that much of an insecure twit that you need to post a thread like this every 2 weeks, just to convince yourself that a company that has betrayed you numerous times is on top? Pathetic.

It's not already "game over" for MS?

BioShockOwnz

Naw, that prediction didnt come true. Halo 3 didnt flop afterall, what a surprise :roll:

Why would people buy a PS3 now? What games will they be playing? Liar and Heavenly sword? LOL

I'll go back to playing Halo3, Bioshock, Gear, Madden 08, and Forza. Later cows

degeneraz

LAWL! A multiplat!

The billion already cover all those faulty consoles. The newer consoles are nowhere near as faulty, some wont admit it but its very rare that an xbox 360 elite will break. Even anything manufactured after august 2006 was alot more reliable.kevy619

Why would "some not admit Elite breaking rarely?"

Try to understand this: Refurbished consoles break over and over again. It is very possible their continual customer service, shipping, goodwill credit, and constant re-repairing of that ratio of systems could eat through the billion dollars.

You can't just say, "the billion already covers those faulty consoles," when they aren't even bothering to update said consoles' chips and coolers.

Just like Halo 3 would be the biggest flop ever?

And how many times have you made a thread saying this? Are you really that much of an insecure twit that you need to post a thread like this every 2 weeks, just to convince yourself that a company that has betrayed you numerous times is on top? Pathetic.

Apathetic-Irony

i have never once made a thread about the $399 rumor because i didn't believe it but it seems it may be true with recent rumblings.