Everything is said and done.

[QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="kingpoopa84"]

Why didn't you answer my question? What make you think the PS3 is going to win over the 360 by just have better graphics if that were the case why didn't the old Xbox mop the floor with the PS2 then??

Your Logic Fails!!!:lol:

Pepperpop10

well the whole point of this thread is to prove that the PS3 prevails in system specs. and well, it already has more exclusives announced for this year than the 360 did in a year. exclusive = only the PS3 will get it. understand? the 360 stands for Gears of War right now. the PS3 stands for the future and more, original games. you'll see soon.

when you understand what i'm trying to say, you'll know to post smarter things than that. you're the same guy that said you only care about the games of a console and yet you have the sales count of each in your signature. you, my friend, are the meaning of the word "contradict"

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="kingpoopa84"][QUOTE="kingpoopa84"]

Why didn't you answer my question? What make you think the PS3 is going to win over the 360 by just have better graphics if that were the case why didn't the old Xbox mop the floor with the PS2 then??

Your Logic Fails!!!:lol:

Warkunt

Warkunt please answer my question. I HATE! HATE! HATE! being ignored!

He'll continue to ignore you because he doesn't want to except the truth.. The PS3 may be more powerful but that doesn't mean sht for games... Look at all the companies jumping ship on the PS brand... It doesn't seem like their too impressed with sony's "spec sheets"...

i'm not ignoring. this isn't an instand messenger. takes longer than that to reply to a bunch of 360 fanboys in denial. LOL! isn't it obvious?

Denial about what exactly? :| 

Warkunt you fail!

Warkunt you fail!

Warkunt you fail!

for last time your logic fails!:evil:

[QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

Bunch of nonsense, trying to look smart

 

Pepperpop10

You dont understand a single word of that, do you? If you would, you would clearly see that is not ownage. Games and sales are what makes a good system. As of right now, PS3 cant compete in that area.

please. how many killer aps did the 360 get in one year? gears of war and what else..

*cricket cricket*

Alright, you opened the can of worms. PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, Condemned, Oblivion (360 had it first, not counting PC), GRAW, FNR3 (same, last gen had it too but it sold well on 360), Dead Rising, Gears, Crackdown, Lost Planet, GRAW2, I know theres more but they are slipping my mind. Anyway say what you want but all of these games sold really, really well and due to those sales could be considered 'killer aps.'

We could talk about PS3 but that would be like kicking a dying man right in the nads. Just not right.

Hey Slime avatar guy, you were starting off so good. Respond to me, unless I owned you. Thats fine too.

i'm replying to a lot more people than you think. lol. calm down, i know you're desperate to get owned. didn't i link you already to the PS3 exclusives page? and no, not every game you mentioned sold really well. give some proof. the top selling game, and the only that i consider a real killer app on the 360 is Gears. the only excellent exclusive in an enitre year. amen.

lackluster how? based on sales? or based on the 9.6 that GS gave it? LOL. it's lackluster in YOUR opinion. Resistance not only has great multiplayer but it has a story that's actually worth going through. every review i've ever read about Gears complains about the story. sorry, dude.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="kingpoopa84"][QUOTE="kingpoopa84"]

Why didn't you answer my question? What make you think the PS3 is going to win over the 360 by just have better graphics if that were the case why didn't the old Xbox mop the floor with the PS2 then??

Your Logic Fails!!!:lol:

Warkunt

Warkunt please answer my question. I HATE! HATE! HATE! being ignored!

He'll continue to ignore you because he doesn't want to except the truth.. The PS3 may be more powerful but that doesn't mean sht for games...  Look at all the companies jumping ship on the PS brand...  It doesn't seem like their too impressed with sony's "spec sheets"...  

i'm not ignoring. this isn't an instand messenger. takes longer than that to reply to a bunch of 360 fanboys in denial. LOL! isn't it obvious?

This thread needs to be dropkicked...

people, people! settle down! if this is about specs, then talk specs. If this is about sales, then you talk about sales. There should not be any mixing of the topics. In this case, this is about specs. So all 360 fans have to do is nod, just admit ownage on them in this field, maybe cry a little, and shut up or go to a thread about sales.

the blind arrogance of true lemmings (which I am seeing a lot of right now) surpasses everyone else, so I guess that is a win for them.

[QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]lol. There are so many people like you who post stuff like that just to justify their purchase. If you were a real gamer, you wouldn't care what anybody thinks of your choice of console.Pepperpop10

yah. and you're obviously here, on system wars, to debate aren't you? if you're not then maybe you're wasting your time. system wars is about debates. the sooner you understand that, the better. you're basically calling every poster on System Wars a fake gamer.

If we take the average bank account and withdraw $1000, we can buy many things. You can buy gum, shoes, baseball cards, condoms, computers, cars, prostitutes...The list goes on. But you can put that money to something useful and enjoy yourself while you're at it. Head to local Best Buy, march in, purchase Wii and 360, buy Oblivion, Zelda, Paper Mario, Gears of War... And go home, plug both in, have time of life.

Oh wait, that's not nonsense: It's logic. And sense. And stuff.

if you aren't trying to prove something then why do you have the sales count of each new next-gen console in your signature? LOL! did you contradict yourself beyond belief there? because i think you did.

the PS3 is getting its butt kicked by Wii60? the Wii is automatically out of the picture. it only sold that many because apparently it's some kind of fad. "it's cheap and it's next-gen so let me buy it wiiiii" and as far as the 360 goes, it's been out for over a year. DUH! and the PS3. 4-5 months out and it's expensive. and the real good games will come later so of course it's going to sell as much as it has. but stay tuned for what will happen pretty soon.

know the price of each console and you'll see why it sold so much. :) Nintendo simply doesn't care about competing. they proved that long ago.

[QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

Bunch of nonsense, trying to look smart

 

Warkunt

You dont understand a single word of that, do you? If you would, you would clearly see that is not ownage. Games and sales are what makes a good system. As of right now, PS3 cant compete in that area.

please. how many killer aps did the 360 get in one year? gears of war and what else..

*cricket cricket*

Alright, you opened the can of worms. PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, Condemned, Oblivion (360 had it first, not counting PC), GRAW, FNR3 (same, last gen had it too but it sold well on 360), Dead Rising, Gears, Crackdown, Lost Planet, GRAW2, I know theres more but they are slipping my mind. Anyway say what you want but all of these games sold really, really well and due to those sales could be considered 'killer aps.'

We could talk about PS3 but that would be like kicking a dying man right in the nads. Just not right.

Hey Slime avatar guy, you were starting off so good. Respond to me, unless I owned you. Thats fine too.

i'm replying to a lot more people than you think. lol. calm down, i know you're desperate to get owned. didn't i link you already to the PS3 exclusives page? and no, not every game you mentioned sold really well. give some proof. the top selling game, and the only that i consider a real killer app on the 360 is Gears. the only excellent exclusive in an enitre year. amen.

lackluster how? based on sales? or based on the 9.6 that GS gave it? LOL. it's lackluster in YOUR opinion. Resistance not only has great multiplayer but it has a story that's actually worth going through. every review i've ever read about Gears complains about the story. sorry, dude.

Warkunt you fail!

Warkunt you fail!

Warkunt you fail!

for last time your logic fails!:evil:

kingpoopa84

i faily to you, i guess. but not according to my very first post in this thread. denial, denial. you people need to get rid of all that pride and see the facts. the PS3 is a better console.

the thread must be dropkicked? thanks for proving my point.

"Oh no! A pro-PS3 thread! I feel so threatended by this anonymous debate! It must go down!"

[QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]lol. There are so many people like you who post stuff like that just to justify their purchase. If you were a real gamer, you wouldn't care what anybody thinks of your choice of console.Warkunt

yah. and you're obviously here, on system wars, to debate aren't you? if you're not then maybe you're wasting your time. system wars is about debates. the sooner you understand that, the better. you're basically calling every poster on System Wars a fake gamer.

If we take the average bank account and withdraw $1000, we can buy many things. You can buy gum, shoes, baseball cards, condoms, computers, cars, prostitutes...The list goes on. But you can put that money to something useful and enjoy yourself while you're at it. Head to local Best Buy, march in, purchase Wii and 360, buy Oblivion, Zelda, Paper Mario, Gears of War... And go home, plug both in, have time of life.

Oh wait, that's not nonsense: It's logic. And sense. And stuff.

if you aren't trying to prove something then why do you have the sales count of each new next-gen console in your signature? LOL! did you contradict yourself beyond belief there? because i think you did.

the PS3 is getting its butt kicked by Wii60? the Wii is automatically out of the picture. it only sold that many because apparently it's some kind of fad. "it's cheap and it's next-gen so let me buy it wiiiii" and as far as the 360 goes, it's been out for over a year. DUH! and the PS3. 4-5 months out and it's expensive. and the real good games will come later so of course it's going to sell as much as it has. but stay tuned for what will happen pretty soon.

know the price of each console and you'll see why it sold so much. :) Nintendo simply doesn't care about competing. they proved that long ago.

people, people! settle down! if this is about specs, then talk specs. If this is about sales, then you talk about sales. There should not be any mixing of the topics. In this case, this is about specs. So all 360 fans have to do is nod, just admit ownage on them in this field, maybe cry a little, and shut up or go to a thread about sales.

the blind arrogance of true lemmings (which I am seeing a lot of right now) surpasses everyone else, so I guess that is a win for them.

Mordred19

thats what i was thinking just admit it and leave sheesh too much spin going on in this thread

[QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

Bunch of nonsense, trying to look smart

 

Pepperpop10

You dont understand a single word of that, do you? If you would, you would clearly see that is not ownage. Games and sales are what makes a good system. As of right now, PS3 cant compete in that area.

please. how many killer aps did the 360 get in one year? gears of war and what else..

*cricket cricket*

Alright, you opened the can of worms. PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, Condemned, Oblivion (360 had it first, not counting PC), GRAW, FNR3 (same, last gen had it too but it sold well on 360), Dead Rising, Gears, Crackdown, Lost Planet, GRAW2, I know theres more but they are slipping my mind. Anyway say what you want but all of these games sold really, really well and due to those sales could be considered 'killer aps.'

We could talk about PS3 but that would be like kicking a dying man right in the nads. Just not right.

Hey Slime avatar guy, you were starting off so good. Respond to me, unless I owned you. Thats fine too.

i'm replying to a lot more people than you think. lol. calm down, i know you're desperate to get owned. didn't i link you already to the PS3 exclusives page? and no, not every game you mentioned sold really well. give some proof. the top selling game, and the only that i consider a real killer app on the 360 is Gears. the only excellent exclusive in an enitre year. amen.

lackluster how? based on sales? or based on the 9.6 that GS gave it? LOL. it's lackluster in YOUR opinion. Resistance not only has great multiplayer but it has a story that's actually worth going through. every review i've ever read about Gears complains about the story. sorry, dude.

not about stories? wow. lol. since when? if you're going to give a game a lame story you might as well not give it one. see what i'm saying? why have a 1 player campaign mode if the story is complete trash? please dude, make some sense.

[QUOTE="kingpoopa84"]

Warkunt you fail!

Warkunt you fail!

Warkunt you fail!

for last time your logic fails!:evil:

Warkunt

i faily to you, i guess. but not according to my very first post in this thread. denial, denial. you people need to get rid of all that pride and see the facts. the PS3 is a better console.

[QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]lol. There are so many people like you who post stuff like that just to justify their purchase. If you were a real gamer, you wouldn't care what anybody thinks of your choice of console.Pepperpop10

yah. and you're obviously here, on system wars, to debate aren't you? if you're not then maybe you're wasting your time. system wars is about debates. the sooner you understand that, the better. you're basically calling every poster on System Wars a fake gamer.

If we take the average bank account and withdraw $1000, we can buy many things. You can buy gum, shoes, baseball cards, condoms, computers, cars, prostitutes...The list goes on. But you can put that money to something useful and enjoy yourself while you're at it. Head to local Best Buy, march in, purchase Wii and 360, buy Oblivion, Zelda, Paper Mario, Gears of War... And go home, plug both in, have time of life.

Oh wait, that's not nonsense: It's logic. And sense. And stuff.

if you aren't trying to prove something then why do you have the sales count of each new next-gen console in your signature? LOL! did you contradict yourself beyond belief there? because i think you did.

the PS3 is getting its butt kicked by Wii60? the Wii is automatically out of the picture. it only sold that many because apparently it's some kind of fad. "it's cheap and it's next-gen so let me buy it wiiiii" and as far as the 360 goes, it's been out for over a year. DUH! and the PS3. 4-5 months out and it's expensive. and the real good games will come later so of course it's going to sell as much as it has. but stay tuned for what will happen pretty soon.

know the price of each console and you'll see why it sold so much. :) Nintendo simply doesn't care about competing. they proved that long ago.

Wii is better than PS3? now i know what i'm dealing with here. a PS3 hater. therefore, you're dismissed. that post proved that you officially have nothing smart to say.

[QUOTE="kingpoopa84"]

Warkunt you fail!

Warkunt you fail!

Warkunt you fail!

for last time your logic fails!:evil:

Warkunt

i faily to you, i guess. but not according to my very first post in this thread. denial, denial. you people need to get rid of all that pride and see the facts. the PS3 is a better console.

Maybe in specs but what do you think it has to do with it winning is beyond me!

[QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

Bunch of nonsense, trying to look smart

 

Warkunt

You dont understand a single word of that, do you? If you would, you would clearly see that is not ownage. Games and sales are what makes a good system. As of right now, PS3 cant compete in that area.

please. how many killer aps did the 360 get in one year? gears of war and what else..

*cricket cricket*

Alright, you opened the can of worms. PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, Condemned, Oblivion (360 had it first, not counting PC), GRAW, FNR3 (same, last gen had it too but it sold well on 360), Dead Rising, Gears, Crackdown, Lost Planet, GRAW2, I know theres more but they are slipping my mind. Anyway say what you want but all of these games sold really, really well and due to those sales could be considered 'killer aps.'

We could talk about PS3 but that would be like kicking a dying man right in the nads. Just not right.

Hey Slime avatar guy, you were starting off so good. Respond to me, unless I owned you. Thats fine too.

i'm replying to a lot more people than you think. lol. calm down, i know you're desperate to get owned. didn't i link you already to the PS3 exclusives page? and no, not every game you mentioned sold really well. give some proof. the top selling game, and the only that i consider a real killer app on the 360 is Gears. the only excellent exclusive in an enitre year. amen.

lackluster how? based on sales? or based on the 9.6 that GS gave it? LOL. it's lackluster in YOUR opinion. Resistance not only has great multiplayer but it has a story that's actually worth going through. every review i've ever read about Gears complains about the story. sorry, dude.

not about stories? wow. lol. since when? if you're going to give a game a lame story you might as well not give it one. see what i'm saying? why have a 1 player campaign mode if the story is complete trash? please dude, make some sense.

[QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="kingpoopa84"]

Warkunt you fail!

Warkunt you fail!

Warkunt you fail!

for last time your logic fails!:evil:

Pepperpop10

i faily to you, i guess. but not according to my very first post in this thread. denial, denial. you people need to get rid of all that pride and see the facts. the PS3 is a better console.

let's see... you are avoiding the topic. This must be some kind of inherited skill or something...

[QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]lol. There are so many people like you who post stuff like that just to justify their purchase. If you were a real gamer, you wouldn't care what anybody thinks of your choice of console.Warkunt

yah. and you're obviously here, on system wars, to debate aren't you? if you're not then maybe you're wasting your time. system wars is about debates. the sooner you understand that, the better. you're basically calling every poster on System Wars a fake gamer.

If we take the average bank account and withdraw $1000, we can buy many things. You can buy gum, shoes, baseball cards, condoms, computers, cars, prostitutes...The list goes on. But you can put that money to something useful and enjoy yourself while you're at it. Head to local Best Buy, march in, purchase Wii and 360, buy Oblivion, Zelda, Paper Mario, Gears of War... And go home, plug both in, have time of life.

Oh wait, that's not nonsense: It's logic. And sense. And stuff.

if you aren't trying to prove something then why do you have the sales count of each new next-gen console in your signature? LOL! did you contradict yourself beyond belief there? because i think you did.

the PS3 is getting its butt kicked by Wii60? the Wii is automatically out of the picture. it only sold that many because apparently it's some kind of fad. "it's cheap and it's next-gen so let me buy it wiiiii" and as far as the 360 goes, it's been out for over a year. DUH! and the PS3. 4-5 months out and it's expensive. and the real good games will come later so of course it's going to sell as much as it has. but stay tuned for what will happen pretty soon.

know the price of each console and you'll see why it sold so much. :) Nintendo simply doesn't care about competing. they proved that long ago.

Wii is better than PS3? now i know what i'm dealing with here. a PS3 hater. therefore, you're dismissed. that post proved that you officially have nothing smart to say.

But couldn't the same be said for you being pro Sony then?

[QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

Bunch of nonsense, trying to look smart

 

Pepperpop10

You dont understand a single word of that, do you? If you would, you would clearly see that is not ownage. Games and sales are what makes a good system. As of right now, PS3 cant compete in that area.

please. how many killer aps did the 360 get in one year? gears of war and what else..

*cricket cricket*

Alright, you opened the can of worms. PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, Condemned, Oblivion (360 had it first, not counting PC), GRAW, FNR3 (same, last gen had it too but it sold well on 360), Dead Rising, Gears, Crackdown, Lost Planet, GRAW2, I know theres more but they are slipping my mind. Anyway say what you want but all of these games sold really, really well and due to those sales could be considered 'killer aps.'

We could talk about PS3 but that would be like kicking a dying man right in the nads. Just not right.

Hey Slime avatar guy, you were starting off so good. Respond to me, unless I owned you. Thats fine too.

i'm replying to a lot more people than you think. lol. calm down, i know you're desperate to get owned. didn't i link you already to the PS3 exclusives page? and no, not every game you mentioned sold really well. give some proof. the top selling game, and the only that i consider a real killer app on the 360 is Gears. the only excellent exclusive in an enitre year. amen.

lackluster how? based on sales? or based on the 9.6 that GS gave it? LOL. it's lackluster in YOUR opinion. Resistance not only has great multiplayer but it has a story that's actually worth going through. every review i've ever read about Gears complains about the story. sorry, dude.

not about stories? wow. lol. since when? if you're going to give a game a lame story you might as well not give it one. see what i'm saying? why have a 1 player campaign mode if the story is complete trash? please dude, make some sense.

i'm talking about OVERALL. what if someone doesn't want to play online? what if the person has no friends? what if the person wants to know the story of the game? get the point, dude. you seem to fail too frequently at that. sorry. to give a game a lame story just because they focused more on multiplayer isn't acceptable.

[QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]lol. There are so many people like you who post stuff like that just to justify their purchase. If you were a real gamer, you wouldn't care what anybody thinks of your choice of console.kingpoopa84

yah. and you're obviously here, on system wars, to debate aren't you? if you're not then maybe you're wasting your time. system wars is about debates. the sooner you understand that, the better. you're basically calling every poster on System Wars a fake gamer.

If we take the average bank account and withdraw $1000, we can buy many things. You can buy gum, shoes, baseball cards, condoms, computers, cars, prostitutes...The list goes on. But you can put that money to something useful and enjoy yourself while you're at it. Head to local Best Buy, march in, purchase Wii and 360, buy Oblivion, Zelda, Paper Mario, Gears of War... And go home, plug both in, have time of life.

Oh wait, that's not nonsense: It's logic. And sense. And stuff.

if you aren't trying to prove something then why do you have the sales count of each new next-gen console in your signature? LOL! did you contradict yourself beyond belief there? because i think you did.

the PS3 is getting its butt kicked by Wii60? the Wii is automatically out of the picture. it only sold that many because apparently it's some kind of fad. "it's cheap and it's next-gen so let me buy it wiiiii" and as far as the 360 goes, it's been out for over a year. DUH! and the PS3. 4-5 months out and it's expensive. and the real good games will come later so of course it's going to sell as much as it has. but stay tuned for what will happen pretty soon.

know the price of each console and you'll see why it sold so much. :) Nintendo simply doesn't care about competing. they proved that long ago.

Wii is better than PS3? now i know what i'm dealing with here. a PS3 hater. therefore, you're dismissed. that post proved that you officially have nothing smart to say.

But couldn't the same be said for you being pro Sony then?

restate that because i don't get it. he said the Wii is better than the PS3. sure it is. with SALES. LOL! look at the price tag and you'll see why it sold so much. jeez. don't dismiss the obvious.

[QUOTE="kingpoopa84"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="Pepperpop10"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]lol. There are so many people like you who post stuff like that just to justify their purchase. If you were a real gamer, you wouldn't care what anybody thinks of your choice of console.Warkunt

yah. and you're obviously here, on system wars, to debate aren't you? if you're not then maybe you're wasting your time. system wars is about debates. the sooner you understand that, the better. you're basically calling every poster on System Wars a fake gamer.

If we take the average bank account and withdraw $1000, we can buy many things. You can buy gum, shoes, baseball cards, condoms, computers, cars, prostitutes...The list goes on. But you can put that money to something useful and enjoy yourself while you're at it. Head to local Best Buy, march in, purchase Wii and 360, buy Oblivion, Zelda, Paper Mario, Gears of War... And go home, plug both in, have time of life.

Oh wait, that's not nonsense: It's logic. And sense. And stuff.

if you aren't trying to prove something then why do you have the sales count of each new next-gen console in your signature? LOL! did you contradict yourself beyond belief there? because i think you did.

the PS3 is getting its butt kicked by Wii60? the Wii is automatically out of the picture. it only sold that many because apparently it's some kind of fad. "it's cheap and it's next-gen so let me buy it wiiiii" and as far as the 360 goes, it's been out for over a year. DUH! and the PS3. 4-5 months out and it's expensive. and the real good games will come later so of course it's going to sell as much as it has. but stay tuned for what will happen pretty soon.

know the price of each console and you'll see why it sold so much. :) Nintendo simply doesn't care about competing. they proved that long ago.

Wii is better than PS3? now i know what i'm dealing with here. a PS3 hater. therefore, you're dismissed. that post proved that you officially have nothing smart to say.

But couldn't the same be said for you being pro Sony then?

restate that because i don't get it. he said the Wii is better than the PS3. sure it is. with SALES. LOL! look at the price tag and you'll see why it sold so much. jeez. don't dismiss the obvious.

Okay I will restate it better you said he was a PS3 hater okay? Then you said he had nothing smart to say because of it okay? Now my question was couldn't the same be said about you being pro Sony and being bias because of this?

this is what happens when one just keeps going off topic. they get caught in a cycle of torment when it would have been easier to just concede from the beginning.

(Originally posted by ATrillionaire in the PS3 forums)

Posted by a developer on another forum who has worked with both the PS3 and the Xbox360:

"Cell is, as many of you know (and if you do skip this paragraph), a combination of a dual threaded PPU with 8 SPU's. The Cell within the ps3 is limited to 7 to bring yield up and a further 1.5SPU's are used by the system itself providing the "console" programmer with access to 5.5. If the proper system is used then 5.5 can actually be used.

Given 5.5 SPU's each with 256kb of memory on chip with zero latency the programmer is capable of essentially writing a script for an spu. That script will run with little or no input from the PPU. Consider this example running on the Xenon (xbox 360).

you want to render a character in the range of 20,000 polygons. He animates, he has advanced lighting, he uses morphing for his muscles & facial expression and he's being rendered in split screen. So we have

Morph Each Vert - on the CPU
Skin (animate) Each Vert - on the CPU


Render 20,000 polys for Viewport 0's shadow - directly on the GPU
Render 20,000 polys for Viewport 0's main - directly on the GPU

Render 20,000 polys for Viewport 1's shadow - directly on the GPU
Render 20,000 polys for Viewport 1's main - directly on the GPU

so from the "systems" point of view (POV) you've passed over the entire vertex set twice with progressively more complex systems. You then send that data to the GPU four times to render shadow & main viewport for each viewport.

Now consider that the system will normally not render faces we can't see (facing away). For an average model around 50% of the faces cannot be seen. Sadly a GPU cannot tell if a face can be seen or not until its actually processed the verts themselves.

If we assume each poly uses 3 new verts then we have the following data pattern.

2x60,000 verts processed on the CPU
4x20,000 polys rendered, touching 240,000 verts in the process - on the GPU.

factoring in that we can't see 50% of the faces we have

2x60,000 verts processed on the CPU
4x20,000 polys rendered, touching 240,000 verts in the process, rendering 4x10,000 polys.

120,000 vert processes on CPU
80,000 polys rendered using 240,000 vertex accesses.

The CPU has limitations. All its memory access goes through a shared L2 cache (1MB) meaning even if we move this process off to a different thread the execution of this code WILL both affect the other threads (Slow them down) AND be affected by other threads itself. In short it will be memory access bound across the board.

Further to that the GPU has to read each element of a vertex into its local cache before it can decide to render or not. Assume each read of a parameter takes 1 cycle, most polys use at least (Position, Normal, Binrm, UV's, Cols) so conservatively we'd be seeing 5 attributes read in... 5 cycles per vertex.'

These numbers are building.... in short its not a quick process.

Now - consider leveraging a single SPU to do this work.


Morph Each Vert - on an SPU
requires the data to be DMA'd in from main memory (zero cache problems)
Skin (animate) Each Vert - on the SPU at the same time
data is already in the local spu memory, no dma required, no cache issues

now consider that the spu itself is faster at executing vector code in general so the above processing without memory concerns is already at least twice as fast as the PPU on both machines. Factor in zero memory latency and what you end up with is the same process as 360, running twice the speed with zero memory issues and having zero affect on any and all other code running on the system - its quick.

It gets better.

The spu's are great at data processing as exemplified above. Previously we would have sent all 80,000 polys to the GPU for rendering BUT the spu's can help out here. We already stated that roughly 50% of the verts can't be seen as they face the wrong way.... the spu can remove these verts VERY quickly with no issues and no affect on any other system. So at the cost of a small amount of spu time we remove all the polys we cannot see and upload to the GPU only what actually needs to render.

Using this type of setup the SPU's can be used to help out the GPU. Because the SPU's are so versatile I would predict that within a few generations of games we'll start seeing graphics more advanced on ps3 than we will on 360.

SPU's are a very under-utilised element of ps3 in current gen games and those that do use them use them in almost niave ways; we will get better."

 

Read it and weep, Xbox 360 fanboys. LMAO!

:lol:

 

Warkunt

Seeing is believeing.... 

this is what happens when one just keeps going off topic. they get caught in a cycle of torment when it would have been easier to just concede from the beginning.

Mordred19

hey i didn't want this to happen. my first post was simply about system specs which the PS3 excels in. making the PS3 a better console. wasn't talking about sales. i went with the flow. :)

This thread needs to be euthanized.D0013ER

it's not like you have to be here. you keep coming in here to say that? for what? just stay out if you have nothing else to say.

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]This thread needs to be euthanized.Warkunt

it's not like you have to be here. you keep coming in here to say that? for what? just stay out if you have nothing else to say.

Heh, simmer down there, champ... 

this is what happens when one just keeps going off topic. they get caught in a cycle of torment when it would have been easier to just concede from the beginning.

Mordred19

If you're talking about me I said it was fine that PS3 had better specs then the 360 but he turned around and said it was the better system because of this which is not true because if it was the PC would own it all which is not the case. that was the point I was trying to get across and if I got offtopic I do apologize for it but I not going to let someone tell me a system is #1 just by using the best hardware because it just doesn't work like that!

you dont even know what that means.abusedbunny

do i have to? seriously. it explains it for me, thank you very much. point is, the PS3 will prevail. IMO.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

this is what happens when one just keeps going off topic. they get caught in a cycle of torment when it would have been easier to just concede from the beginning.

Warkunt

hey i didn't want this to happen. my first post was simply about system specs which the PS3 excels in. making the PS3 a better console. wasn't talking about sales. i went with the flow. :)

I was talking about the guy who blew his stack and vanished in a puff of illlogic.

[QUOTE="Warkunt"]

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]This thread needs to be euthanized.D0013ER

it's not like you have to be here. you keep coming in here to say that? for what? just stay out if you have nothing else to say.

Heh, simmer down there, champ... 

i am simmered. lol. go back to pepper's last post. he pretty much cursed me out. i'm not him, thank GAWD!

[QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

Bunch of nonsense, trying to look smart

 

Watch_Me_Xplode

You dont understand a single word of that, do you? If you would, you would clearly see that is not ownage. Games and sales are what makes a good system. As of right now, PS3 cant compete in that area.

please. how many killer aps did the 360 get in one year? gears of war and what else..

*cricket cricket*

And how many "killer aps" does the PS3 have to date?

........

Resistance definitely is one. Motorstorm and VF5 could be considered killer apps by some, as well.

None of those are KA's in my eyes. I have played better shooters than RFOM, better racers than MS, and better fighters than VF5. I own all 3 by the way. 

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

this is what happens when one just keeps going off topic. they get caught in a cycle of torment when it would have been easier to just concede from the beginning.

kingpoopa84

If you're talking about me I said it was fine that PS3 had better specs then the 360 but he turned around and said it was the better system because of this which is not true because if it was the PC would own it all which is not the case. that was the point I was trying to get across and if I got offtopic I do apologize for it but I not going to let someone tell me a system is #1 just by using the best hardware because it just doesn't work like that!

the system isn't better? it is. the specs prove it. i am not talking about sales here. now you're going into PC which is uncalled for. i said PS3 vs 360. and the PS3 is a better SYSTEM. SYSTEM SPECS. lol.

I'd debate, but my mind's been blown.Screamteam411

:lol: LOL!

I'd debate, but my mind's been blown.Screamteam411

blown because of the system specs or blown because i'm 15 and got an adult to curse me the hell out just because i proved him wrong? the same guy that said he only cares for the games of a console and yet he's tracking the next-gen console sales in his signature. LOL!

[QUOTE="kingpoopa84"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]

this is what happens when one just keeps going off topic. they get caught in a cycle of torment when it would have been easier to just concede from the beginning.

Warkunt

If you're talking about me I said it was fine that PS3 had better specs then the 360 but he turned around and said it was the better system because of this which is not true because if it was the PC would own it all which is not the case. that was the point I was trying to get across and if I got offtopic I do apologize for it but I not going to let someone tell me a system is #1 just by using the best hardware because it just doesn't work like that!

the system isn't better? it is. the specs prove it. i am not talking about sales here. now you're going into PC which is uncalled for. i said PS3 vs 360. and the PS3 is a better SYSTEM. SYSTEM SPECS. lol.

It might have better specs but don't say it's the better system because of it! See lemmings made that mistake the first time around with the Xbox. Because in the end it comes down to one thing GAMES!! and the PS3 and the Wii are lacking in that department right now.

[QUOTE="Watch_Me_Xplode"][QUOTE="D0013ER"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

Bunch of nonsense, trying to look smart

 

snyper1982

You dont understand a single word of that, do you? If you would, you would clearly see that is not ownage. Games and sales are what makes a good system. As of right now, PS3 cant compete in that area.

please. how many killer aps did the 360 get in one year? gears of war and what else..

*cricket cricket*

And how many "killer aps" does the PS3 have to date?

........

Resistance definitely is one. Motorstorm and VF5 could be considered killer apps by some, as well.

None of those are KA's in my eyes. I have played better shooters than RFOM, better racers than MS, and better fighters than VF5. I own all 3 by the way. 

ok? so you've played better? on other consoles you have, not on the PS3. this is about the PS3's killer apps. not the others. see?

In two or three years from now, devs will announce that the Cell alone can render better graphics than xenon and xenos combined.GermanShepard06

Awesome, Warkunt you've succeeded in attracting the attention of GermanShepard.

Now, where's my popcorn?! 

[QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="RossRichard"][QUOTE="Warkunt"]

Bunch of nonsense, trying to look smart

 

Warkunt

You dont understand a single word of that, do you? If you would, you would clearly see that is not ownage. Games and sales are what makes a good system. As of right now, PS3 cant compete in that area.

please. how many killer aps did the 360 get in one year? gears of war and what else..

*cricket cricket*

Alright, you opened the can of worms. PDZ, PGR3, Kameo, Condemned, Oblivion (360 had it first, not counting PC), GRAW, FNR3 (same, last gen had it too but it sold well on 360), Dead Rising, Gears, Crackdown, Lost Planet, GRAW2, I know theres more but they are slipping my mind. Anyway say what you want but all of these games sold really, really well and due to those sales could be considered 'killer aps.'

We could talk about PS3 but that would be like kicking a dying man right in the nads. Just not right.

Hey Slime avatar guy, you were starting off so good. Respond to me, unless I owned you. Thats fine too.

i'm replying to a lot more people than you think. lol. calm down, i know you're desperate to get owned. didn't i link you already to the PS3 exclusives page? and no, not every game you mentioned sold really well. give some proof. the top selling game, and the only that i consider a real killer app on the 360 is Gears. the only excellent exclusive in an enitre year. amen.

Oh and do you have any proof that they didnt sell well? All of those games sold over a million (except GRAW2, but thats brand new). It was taken from NPD and Nexgenwars, and I dont have the time or energy to go and find a link. Find it yourself and prove me wrong.

And yeah I saw your link. Wasnt one of the "HOT!!" exclusives Afrika? And another was Genji, the 'historical' Japanese war game with giant enemy crabs? Yeah thats a real killer app. Sorry you dont consider anything but Gears a killer app, maybe I dont consider anything on PS3 a killer app. So no excellent exclusive in what, 6 months?

[QUOTE="Warkunt"][QUOTE="kingpoopa84"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]

this is what happens when one just keeps going off topic. they get caught in a cycle of torment when it would have been easier to just concede from the beginning.

kingpoopa84

If you're talking about me I said it was fine that PS3 had better specs then the 360 but he turned around and said it was the better system because of this which is not true because if it was the PC would own it all which is not the case. that was the point I was trying to get across and if I got offtopic I do apologize for it but I not going to let someone tell me a system is #1 just by using the best hardware because it just doesn't work like that!

the system isn't better? it is. the specs prove it. i am not talking about sales here. now you're going into PC which is uncalled for. i said PS3 vs 360. and the PS3 is a better SYSTEM. SYSTEM SPECS. lol.

It might have better specs but don't say it's the better system because of it! See lemmings made that mistake the first time around with the Xbox. Because in the end it comes down to one thing GAMES!! and the PS3 and the Wii are lacking in that department right now.

ok and again, the PS3 has been out for no more than 6 months. and a lot more PS3 exclusives that definitely appear to be killer apps to me, have been announced for THIS year. and yup, the 360 got ONE real killer app in one year. if you think exclusives don't mean a thing you're wrong.

[QUOTE="GermanShepard06"]In two or three years from now, devs will announce that the Cell alone can render better graphics than xenon and xenos combined.D0013ER

Awesome, Warkunt you've succeeded in attracting the attention of GermanShepard.

Now, where's my popcorn?! 

The Cell is a State Of The Art Cpu, a cpu that Intel and Amd will try to duplicate in 2010-2012

[QUOTE="Screamteam411"]I'd debate, but my mind's been blown.Warkunt

blown because of the system specs or blown because i'm 15 and got an adult to curse me the hell out just because i proved him wrong? the same guy that said he only cares for the games of a console and yet he's tracking the next-gen console sales in his signature. LOL!

I'm not even going to touch that one with a 50 and half foot pole!:roll: