Everything Sony Touches Turns To Mediocrity

[QUOTE="dipsetboy17"]

i don't even have to read what you just posted. it's from you of all people.

jimmypsn

Is this supposed to be an insult?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I agree about Sony PR being complete crap (Stringer along with Tretton are COMPLETE ego D-bags), but by no means does it mean they are a mediocre company nor is anything else they try to do. I know Sony isn't making as much of a profit this gen as the other companies, but they still are making SOME profit, if they weren't they would cancel their platform. The PS3 is far from a failure as much as fanboys like TC (despite his name, he is really a hardcore lemming) try to make it out to be, it's a good system just like the 360 is. Neither one is "better", it's just a prefrence.

Anyways the article and website were biased and so is the OP, and along with that I honestly think that people who bash the other system do so because they are insecure about their system purchase. Come on guys, if someone walked up to you with a PS3 and a copy of Uncharted 2 and gave them to you for free you know you would take it home and enjoy it, you don't want to admit it, but it's the truth.

There are millions of Sony fans just like there are millions of MS and Nintendo fans, and while I don't agree or like everything that Sony does,I still am a fan of their products becasue it's more suited to my prefrence. And millions of others do as well,some people prefer the others, and that's perfectly fine. It's only wrong when you arrogantly assume that your prefrence is better than somebody elses.

jimmypsn

Umm you do know we are in a forum called system wars right? If these topics upset you or make you at all uncomfortable. Maybe you shouldn't post in this forum but in the general gaming forum where less of these sort of topics get posted. Why are you trying to play the high and mighty card when you already know exactly how this forum works. You're a poster with high level number of posts. You should already know what sort of topics will show up here.

I'm completely aware of how SW works, hell I used to play a fake fanboy trolle on here for the lulz. I sort of got the idea from Stephen Colbert humor, it was all a satire. But seeing as how sarcasm is hard to pick up on the internet I stopped it because all I was doing was annoying people. I have no problem with people discussing differences between systems, but I just cannot honestly understand fanboyism. It's simply ridiculous to me, I mean I think half of them are just joking around (I think you fall into this mode) but there are few serious ones here.

I come to SW to becasue no one posts in general game discussions, and every now and then you get the person who is asking for some help. And I try to give the best answer, again I have NO problem with differences of opinions/prefernces, just when people assume there opinion is rgiht and everyone else should agree with them.

There are really two types of people here on SW, the fanboys and the normal gamers. And the normal gamers will always win over the fanboys.

[QUOTE="M1KES"]

In my opinion the ps3 is the least mediocre of the 3 consoles... largely due to there great studios and less focus on gimmics

jimmypsn

Sony is all about gimmicks. The bad thing is they bash the products before they release or re-release it themselves. Remember how they bashed rumble and Nintendo wii. good times.

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I agree about Sony PR being complete crap (Stringer along with Tretton are COMPLETE ego D-bags), but by no means does it mean they are a mediocre company nor is anything else they try to do. I know Sony isn't making as much of a profit this gen as the other companies, but they still are making SOME profit, if they weren't they would cancel their platform. The PS3 is far from a failure as much as fanboys like TC (despite his name, he is really a hardcore lemming) try to make it out to be, it's a good system just like the 360 is. Neither one is "better", it's just a prefrence.

Anyways the article and website were biased and so is the OP, and along with that I honestly think that people who bash the other system do so because they are insecure about their system purchase. Come on guys, if someone walked up to you with a PS3 and a copy of Uncharted 2 and gave them to you for free you know you would take it home and enjoy it, you don't want to admit it, but it's the truth.

There are millions of Sony fans just like there are millions of MS and Nintendo fans, and while I don't agree or like everything that Sony does,I still am a fan of their products becasue it's more suited to my prefrence. And millions of others do as well,some people prefer the others, and that's perfectly fine. It's only wrong when you arrogantly assume that your prefrence is better than somebody elses.

ShadowMoses900

Umm you do know we are in a forum called system wars right? If these topics upset you or make you at all uncomfortable. Maybe you shouldn't post in this forum but in the general gaming forum where less of these sort of topics get posted. Why are you trying to play the high and mighty card when you already know exactly how this forum works. You're a poster with high level number of posts. You should already know what sort of topics will show up here.

I'm completely aware of how SW works, hell I used to play a fake fanboy trolle on here for the lulz. I sort of got the idea from Stephen Colbert humor, it was all a satire. But seeing as how sarcasm is hard to pick up on the internet I stopped it because all I was doing was annoying people. I have no problem with people discussing differences between systems, but I just cannot honestly understand fanboyism. It's simply ridiculous to me, I mean I think half of them are just joking around (I think you fall into this mode) but there are few serious ones here.

I come to SW to becasue no one posts in general game discussions, and every now and then you get the person who is asking for some help. And I try to give the best answer, again I have NO problem with differences of opinions/prefernces, just when people assume there opinion is rgiht and everyone else should agree with them.

There are really two types of people here on SW, the fanboys and the normal gamers. And the normal gamers will always win over the fanboys.

Whether someone is posting their opinion, a true fact or an article that expresses something that goes against their system or game of choice, you'll have disagreements. How a person chooses to react is not under my control. If you're upset or angry. Not my fault. All I can say is don't take the boards seriously. It's mainly meant for entertainment. You're saying you don't understand bias. Realy? That's human nature. Something I can't really explain it to you. Wheter its games, cars, political affiliations, or PC and Macs. There will always be bias. Don't let it get to you man. Just relax.

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

[QUOTE="M1KES"]

In my opinion the ps3 is the least mediocre of the 3 consoles... largely due to there great studios and less focus on gimmics

M1KES

Sony is all about gimmicks. The bad thing is they bash the products before they release or re-release it themselves. Remember how they bashed rumble and Nintendo wii. good times.

I would personally say eyetoy is a gimmick. Definitely.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

Umm you do know we are in a forum called system wars right? If these topics upset you or make you at all uncomfortable. Maybe you shouldn't post in this forum but in the general gaming forum where less of these sort of topics get posted. Why are you trying to play the high and mighty card when you already know exactly how this forum works. You're a poster with high level number of posts. You should already know what sort of topics will show up here.

jimmypsn

I'm completely aware of how SW works, hell I used to play a fake fanboy trolle on here for the lulz. I sort of got the idea from Stephen Colbert humor, it was all a satire. But seeing as how sarcasm is hard to pick up on the internet I stopped it because all I was doing was annoying people. I have no problem with people discussing differences between systems, but I just cannot honestly understand fanboyism. It's simply ridiculous to me, I mean I think half of them are just joking around (I think you fall into this mode) but there are few serious ones here.

I come to SW to becasue no one posts in general game discussions, and every now and then you get the person who is asking for some help. And I try to give the best answer, again I have NO problem with differences of opinions/prefernces, just when people assume there opinion is rgiht and everyone else should agree with them.

There are really two types of people here on SW, the fanboys and the normal gamers. And the normal gamers will always win over the fanboys.

Whether someone is posting their opinion, a true fact or an article that expresses something that goes against their system or game of choice, you'll have disagreements. How a person chooses to react is not under my control. If you're upset or angry. Not my fault. All I can say is don't take the boards seriously. It's mainly meant for entertainment. You're saying you don't understand bias. Realy? That's human nature. Something I can't really explain it to you. Wheter its games, cars, political affiliations, or PC and Macs. There will always be bias. Don't let it get to you man. Just relax.

lol I'm not angry man....sorry if you misinterepted that. I think SW is kinda funny and entertaining with all the ridiculous things that get posted here, but after awhile fanboys just start to annoy me for some reason. It's always the same thing here on SW, someitmes I find it funny and other times I find it sad so I go to a different thread.

As far as understanding bias goes, yes I understand it completely. But I do things differently, I give my opinion on something (I like PS3 more) but I also acknowledge that others have differences. So mabey that is a little bias but not to the point where fanboys take it. I seriously doubt anyone REALLy cares about some of the things that get posted here, like take multiplat threads. People always yell about "inferior'' and "superior" versions but I can never honestly see a differnce in 90% of them that people talk about. They look exactly the same to me and I think people are just joking in those threads because it would be a ridiculous thing to argue about.

Like I said I have my own opinions but I don't enforce them or push them on someone else. I like PS3 more than 360 but I will never tell someone that they should agree. I will never tell someone that they should buy a PS3 over a 360, I will just tell them to look at what each system offers and decide for themselves which is "better".

And the thing about bias though, is that it weakens your argument. That article you posted is bias and so is your OP. So how do you expect people to take you seriously? It's kind of like Fox News and MSNBC, no one in their right mind would believe anything they say becasue they are completely bias and not trustworth "news" sources.

Do you see what I'm trying to say here? People have more respect and are willing to listen to your opinion and arguments if you present them better and more farily, and give the other side a say too.

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm completely aware of how SW works, hell I used to play a fake fanboy trolle on here for the lulz. I sort of got the idea from Stephen Colbert humor, it was all a satire. But seeing as how sarcasm is hard to pick up on the internet I stopped it because all I was doing was annoying people. I have no problem with people discussing differences between systems, but I just cannot honestly understand fanboyism. It's simply ridiculous to me, I mean I think half of them are just joking around (I think you fall into this mode) but there are few serious ones here.

I come to SW to becasue no one posts in general game discussions, and every now and then you get the person who is asking for some help. And I try to give the best answer, again I have NO problem with differences of opinions/prefernces, just when people assume there opinion is rgiht and everyone else should agree with them.

There are really two types of people here on SW, the fanboys and the normal gamers. And the normal gamers will always win over the fanboys.

ShadowMoses900

Whether someone is posting their opinion, a true fact or an article that expresses something that goes against their system or game of choice, you'll have disagreements. How a person chooses to react is not under my control. If you're upset or angry. Not my fault. All I can say is don't take the boards seriously. It's mainly meant for entertainment. You're saying you don't understand bias. Realy? That's human nature. Something I can't really explain it to you. Wheter its games, cars, political affiliations, or PC and Macs. There will always be bias. Don't let it get to you man. Just relax.

lol I'm not angry man....sorry if you misinterepted that. I think SW is kinda funny and entertaining with all the ridiculous things that get posted here, but after awhile fanboys just start to annoy me for some reason. It's always the same thing here on SW, someitmes I find it funny and other times I find it sad so I go to a different thread.

As far as understanding bias goes, yes I understand it completely. But I do things differently, I give my opinion on something (I like PS3 more) but I also acknowledge that others have differences. So mabey that is a little bias but not to the point where fanboys take it. I seriously doubt anyone REALLy cares about some of the things that get posted here, like take multiplat threads. People always yell about "inferior'' and "superior" versions but I can never honestly see a differnce in 90% of them that people talk about. They look exactly the same to me and I think people are just joking in those threads because it would be a ridiculous thing to argue about.

Like I said I have my own opinions but I don't enforce them or push them on someone else. I like PS3 more than 360 but I will never tell someone that they should agree. I will never tell someone that they should buy a PS3 over a 360, I will just tell them to look at what each system offers and decide for themselves which is "better".

And the thing about bias though, is that it weakens your argument. That article you posted is bias and so is your OP. So how do you expect people to take you seriously? It's kind of like Fox News and MSNBC, no one in their right mind would believe anything they say becasue they are completely bias and not trustworth "news" sources.

Do you see what I'm trying to say here? People have more respect and are willing to listen to your opinion and arguments if you present them better and more farily, and give the other side a say too.

Personally, I do think some of the topics get overplayed here like a broken record. But I enjoy it. The popcorn gifs I see reflect my feelings on the matter. I mainly take whatever I see on these boards as entertainment and entertainment only. No way these boards reflect reality, but I can't say I really get annoyed. Its fun reading and debating and expressing your thoughts on topics that I find interest in. Gaming in particular.

In regards to the article, you say its biased and badly written. I think it makes excellent points and reflects how the markets and the public react to Sony products and corporate image.

Edit: What in the article did you find that you disagreed with. Can you point them out and back them up with link or proof.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

Whether someone is posting their opinion, a true fact or an article that expresses something that goes against their system or game of choice, you'll have disagreements. How a person chooses to react is not under my control. If you're upset or angry. Not my fault. All I can say is don't take the boards seriously. It's mainly meant for entertainment. You're saying you don't understand bias. Realy? That's human nature. Something I can't really explain it to you. Wheter its games, cars, political affiliations, or PC and Macs. There will always be bias. Don't let it get to you man. Just relax.

jimmypsn

lol I'm not angry man....sorry if you misinterepted that. I think SW is kinda funny and entertaining with all the ridiculous things that get posted here, but after awhile fanboys just start to annoy me for some reason. It's always the same thing here on SW, someitmes I find it funny and other times I find it sad so I go to a different thread.

As far as understanding bias goes, yes I understand it completely. But I do things differently, I give my opinion on something (I like PS3 more) but I also acknowledge that others have differences. So mabey that is a little bias but not to the point where fanboys take it. I seriously doubt anyone REALLy cares about some of the things that get posted here, like take multiplat threads. People always yell about "inferior'' and "superior" versions but I can never honestly see a differnce in 90% of them that people talk about. They look exactly the same to me and I think people are just joking in those threads because it would be a ridiculous thing to argue about.

Like I said I have my own opinions but I don't enforce them or push them on someone else. I like PS3 more than 360 but I will never tell someone that they should agree. I will never tell someone that they should buy a PS3 over a 360, I will just tell them to look at what each system offers and decide for themselves which is "better".

And the thing about bias though, is that it weakens your argument. That article you posted is bias and so is your OP. So how do you expect people to take you seriously? It's kind of like Fox News and MSNBC, no one in their right mind would believe anything they say becasue they are completely bias and not trustworth "news" sources.

Do you see what I'm trying to say here? People have more respect and are willing to listen to your opinion and arguments if you present them better and more farily, and give the other side a say too.

Personally, I do think some of the topics get overplayed here like a broken record. But I enjoy it. The popcorn gifs I see reflect my feelings on the matter. I mainly take whatever I see on these boards as entertainment and entertainment only. No way these boards reflect reality, but I can't say I really get annoyed. Its fun reading and debating and expressing your thoughts on topics that I find interest in. Gaming in particular.

In regards to the article, you say its biased and badly written. I think it makes excellent points and reflects how the markets and the public react to Sony products and corporate image.

Edit: What in the article did you find that you disagreed with. Can you point them out and back them up with link or proof.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

Whether someone is posting their opinion, a true fact or an article that expresses something that goes against their system or game of choice, you'll have disagreements. How a person chooses to react is not under my control. If you're upset or angry. Not my fault. All I can say is don't take the boards seriously. It's mainly meant for entertainment. You're saying you don't understand bias. Realy? That's human nature. Something I can't really explain it to you. Wheter its games, cars, political affiliations, or PC and Macs. There will always be bias. Don't let it get to you man. Just relax.

jimmypsn

lol I'm not angry man....sorry if you misinterepted that. I think SW is kinda funny and entertaining with all the ridiculous things that get posted here, but after awhile fanboys just start to annoy me for some reason. It's always the same thing here on SW, someitmes I find it funny and other times I find it sad so I go to a different thread.

As far as understanding bias goes, yes I understand it completely. But I do things differently, I give my opinion on something (I like PS3 more) but I also acknowledge that others have differences. So mabey that is a little bias but not to the point where fanboys take it. I seriously doubt anyone REALLy cares about some of the things that get posted here, like take multiplat threads. People always yell about "inferior'' and "superior" versions but I can never honestly see a differnce in 90% of them that people talk about. They look exactly the same to me and I think people are just joking in those threads because it would be a ridiculous thing to argue about.

Like I said I have my own opinions but I don't enforce them or push them on someone else. I like PS3 more than 360 but I will never tell someone that they should agree. I will never tell someone that they should buy a PS3 over a 360, I will just tell them to look at what each system offers and decide for themselves which is "better".

And the thing about bias though, is that it weakens your argument. That article you posted is bias and so is your OP. So how do you expect people to take you seriously? It's kind of like Fox News and MSNBC, no one in their right mind would believe anything they say becasue they are completely bias and not trustworth "news" sources.

Do you see what I'm trying to say here? People have more respect and are willing to listen to your opinion and arguments if you present them better and more farily, and give the other side a say too.

Personally, I do think some of the topics get overplayed here like a broken record. But I enjoy it. The popcorn gifs I see reflect my feelings on the matter. I mainly take whatever I see on these boards as entertainment and entertainment only. No way these boards reflect reality, but I can't say I really get annoyed. Its fun reading and debating and expressing your thoughts on topics that I find interest in. Gaming in particular.

In regards to the article, you say its biased and badly written. I think it makes excellent points and reflects how the markets and the public react to Sony products and corporate image.

Edit: What in the article did you find that you disagreed with. Can you point them out and back them up with link or proof.

Well I think some people take things a bit too far on here, and that's when I get annoyed. Like I remember there was this one fanboy (don't remember the name)on here awhile back and he was making hyperbole rants about something and then he started to get REAL nasty about it. I mean like sending me PM's with threats and stuff...

I reported him and I think he's gone now but still, I was like "is this guy serious"? That was completely uncalled for, all we were talking about Live vs PSN and I said I like PSN more. That was all, and he wanted me dead for that. I didn't come back here for like a month after that... I think though that most people are joking as I rarely get any hate PM's from people, but still it was kinda crazy.

As for what is so biased in the article, just look at the title. "Everything Sony Touches Turns To Mediocrrity"

That instantly shows bais right there. It would be like reading a title of a news article and it saying "New Study shows that Liberal (or conservative) voters are more uneducated than rest of the American population"

That would be a bias news article and it would have no credince.

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

lol I'm not angry man....sorry if you misinterepted that. I think SW is kinda funny and entertaining with all the ridiculous things that get posted here, but after awhile fanboys just start to annoy me for some reason. It's always the same thing here on SW, someitmes I find it funny and other times I find it sad so I go to a different thread.

As far as understanding bias goes, yes I understand it completely. But I do things differently, I give my opinion on something (I like PS3 more) but I also acknowledge that others have differences. So mabey that is a little bias but not to the point where fanboys take it. I seriously doubt anyone REALLy cares about some of the things that get posted here, like take multiplat threads. People always yell about "inferior'' and "superior" versions but I can never honestly see a differnce in 90% of them that people talk about. They look exactly the same to me and I think people are just joking in those threads because it would be a ridiculous thing to argue about.

Like I said I have my own opinions but I don't enforce them or push them on someone else. I like PS3 more than 360 but I will never tell someone that they should agree. I will never tell someone that they should buy a PS3 over a 360, I will just tell them to look at what each system offers and decide for themselves which is "better".

And the thing about bias though, is that it weakens your argument. That article you posted is bias and so is your OP. So how do you expect people to take you seriously? It's kind of like Fox News and MSNBC, no one in their right mind would believe anything they say becasue they are completely bias and not trustworth "news" sources.

Do you see what I'm trying to say here? People have more respect and are willing to listen to your opinion and arguments if you present them better and more farily, and give the other side a say too.

ShadowMoses900

Personally, I do think some of the topics get overplayed here like a broken record. But I enjoy it. The popcorn gifs I see reflect my feelings on the matter. I mainly take whatever I see on these boards as entertainment and entertainment only. No way these boards reflect reality, but I can't say I really get annoyed. Its fun reading and debating and expressing your thoughts on topics that I find interest in. Gaming in particular.

In regards to the article, you say its biased and badly written. I think it makes excellent points and reflects how the markets and the public react to Sony products and corporate image.

Edit: What in the article did you find that you disagreed with. Can you point them out and back them up with link or proof.

Well I think some people take things a bit too far on here, and that's when I get annoyed. Like I remember there was this one fanboy (don't remember the name)on here awhile back and he was making hyperbole rants about something and then he started to get REAL nasty about it. I mean like sending me PM's with threats and stuff...

I reported him and I think he's gone now but still, I was like "is this guy serious"? That was completely uncalled for, all we were talking about Live vs PSN and I said I like PSN more. That was all, and he wanted me dead for that. I didn't come back here for like a month after that... I think though that most people are joking as I rarely get any hate PM's from people, but still it was kinda crazy.

As for what is so biased in the article, just look at the title. "Everything Sony Touches Turns To Mediocrrity"

That instantly shows bais right there. It would be like reading a title of a news article and it saying "New Study shows that Liberal (or conservative) voters are more uneducated than rest of the American population"

That would be a bias news article and it would have no credince.

That title is meant to draw people to the article. But what specially IN the article did you find unreasonable.

I suppose I am the personification of this mediocrity. PS2_ROCKS

The PS2 was a great system. It's surprising how far Sony has fallen this gen.

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]I suppose I am the personification of this mediocrity. jimmypsn

The PS2 was a great system. It's surprising how far Sony has fallen this gen.

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]I suppose I am the personification of this mediocrity. jimmypsn

The PS2 was a great system. It's surprising how far Sony has fallen this gen.

word with all the crappy games right....I know they arent doing as well but its not they are releaseing crap.

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]I suppose I am the personification of this mediocrity. JohnF111

The PS2 was a great system. It's surprising how far Sony has fallen this gen.

they got cocky. The 600 buck console was a dumb move which really hurt them.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

Personally, I do think some of the topics get overplayed here like a broken record. But I enjoy it. The popcorn gifs I see reflect my feelings on the matter. I mainly take whatever I see on these boards as entertainment and entertainment only. No way these boards reflect reality, but I can't say I really get annoyed. Its fun reading and debating and expressing your thoughts on topics that I find interest in. Gaming in particular.

In regards to the article, you say its biased and badly written. I think it makes excellent points and reflects how the markets and the public react to Sony products and corporate image.

Edit: What in the article did you find that you disagreed with. Can you point them out and back them up with link or proof.

jimmypsn

Well I think some people take things a bit too far on here, and that's when I get annoyed. Like I remember there was this one fanboy (don't remember the name)on here awhile back and he was making hyperbole rants about something and then he started to get REAL nasty about it. I mean like sending me PM's with threats and stuff...

I reported him and I think he's gone now but still, I was like "is this guy serious"? That was completely uncalled for, all we were talking about Live vs PSN and I said I like PSN more. That was all, and he wanted me dead for that. I didn't come back here for like a month after that... I think though that most people are joking as I rarely get any hate PM's from people, but still it was kinda crazy.

As for what is so biased in the article, just look at the title. "Everything Sony Touches Turns To Mediocrrity"

That instantly shows bais right there. It would be like reading a title of a news article and it saying "New Study shows that Liberal (or conservative) voters are more uneducated than rest of the American population"

That would be a bias news article and it would have no credince.

That title is meant to draw people to the article. But what specially IN the article did you find unreasonable.

It tries to paint a gloom and doom, END OF THE WORLD FOR SONY. There is no doubt Sony hasn't done aswell as some of their competitors this gen, but guess what? They are still doing pretty well overall. I don't play sales because I'm not a share holder so it doesn't affect me, but I'm pretty sure that the PS3 is selling just fine. And Sony is surely making a profit, how much I don't know or care, but if they weren't they would have canceled it don't ya think? As far as I know, both the 360and PS3 are neck and neck in overall world wide sales, with the 360 being slightly more popular in North America and the PS3 being slightly more popular in Europe and Japan.

Secondly the article makes complete BS speculative claims on things, like how the PS3 price drop means Sony is going out of business. The 360 dropped recently in price too, did that mean that MS is going to cancel their game divison? No of course not. The more logical explanation as to why the PS3 dropped in price was becasuse of this little thing called COMPETITION, see MS dropped the 360 price to make it more attractive so it sold more, in response Sony dropped the price of the PS3 to sell more PS3's. That's how everything works in the competitive market, supply and demand. Demand is low you drop the price, demand is high you raise it, with technology prices drop overtime anyway.

So in real life, the reason why both systems dropped in price is due to decrease in overall demand and the rate of technology expenses decreasing over time. The PS3 is still more expensive than the 360 even with the price drop, so that means that the PS3 is in more demand currently than the 360 is.

That's just one of the many flaws with your article, hell I could post a hundred of dooms day articles for the 360 and the Wii if I wanted to. I won't however because they are completely bias and full of BS that it would be a waste of time. Don't beleive me? Do you have ANY idea how many biased dooms day articles there are for the 360? There are COUNTLESS articles regarding the RROD and how "the 360 is doomed", and I'm sure people have seem them before.

Point is that there are biased articles everywhere and only people who are biased are the ones who can't see it. Which is a shame because these people REALLY need to get more critical thinking skills...

Killzone, Uncharted, and inFamous are medicore? Color me surprised. :|

[QUOTE="locopatho"]If I was a Sony executive or shareholder I'd be worried. I'm not though so I'm fine with them losing billions by making these awesome products :Pjimmypsn

What the point when they are losing billions year after year.

I'm a Nintendo fan personally, but I'm not such a dedicated fanboy to call Sony mediocre. All 3 consoles they've made have introduced new features and have had a butload of incredible games.

It's simple don't buy it.Also I see lots of myths here , sony is not losing billions , on the contrary it's profiting , at least that's what i can tell about the gaming division but i'm sure the rest is even finer.Now regarding the only sw material of the OP , wii is cheap because it severely lacks in comparison to the other 2 , a cayman is cheaper than a 911 turbo nothing surprising there , xbox has kinect ,hmmm...ook maybe i should tell my mom that , a potential customer , as a gamer I don't care , ps3 has lots of exclusives , keeps pumping them , has some exclusives on multiplats too , will integrate with vita , so no , even if I was a stockholder , which should be the target audience of this article , I 'm not uneasy regarding their financial future , much less regarding the quality of their products.

i wouldn't call there products mediocre but they have made some bad business choices this generation, the first was going with a disk format that despite being an advantage was not actually needed this generation which allowed there competitors to undercut them at every turn and cost them a hefty profit, despite there setbacks SONY have done well to keep themselves in the 'game' so to speak though and i think they will learn from there mistakes.delta3074

I disagree, Blu Ray is a hughe advantage this gen and is one of the main reason why some of games are exclusive to the PS3. Take MGS4 for example, due to DVD limitations, the game is ONLY possible on a Blu Ray disc. For it to be on a DVD it would have taken up to around 7 or 8 discs, I'm not overexaggerating either. The 360 and PS3 are both around the same power so graphically they could have looked the exaclty the same (like 90% of multiplats), it comes down to the devs. So it's not that the 360 couldn't handle the game it'self, it just didn't have the correct format. There is no doubt that the next Xbox system will use Blu Ray, no doubt at all.

There are some other games like this aswell, and while I agree it wasn't entirely nessecary to have it this gen. It was in Sony's best interest to capatilise on that feature and come next gen they will have had the most experience with it than the competition. Without Blu Ray than there wouldn't have been certain games out this gen.

Please keep in mind though, I am NOT saying Sony didn't make mistakes this gen. They certainly did, but I just disagree with the Blu Ray part. IMO Sony made the mistake of releasing an over priced system, not getting a good online service until later (PSN is great now, but at launch it was pretty bad), and just having an overall arrogant and cocky PR this gen that came back to bite them.

I know some people talk about how Sony made the PS3 hard to develop for and thus having "inferior" multiplats, but I don't think that's true. Mabey early on this gen it was true, but now devs don't complain about it and in fact some say the opposite, and I SERIOUSLY doubt that anyone can ever see a difference in 90% of the multiplats that come out. They look exactly the same.

Are you sure you haven't mixed up Sony with MS?

Regardless of Sony's amusing advertising campaigns their games still hold a considerable quality standard while we couldn't say the same for many MS games (appart from the flagship franchises like GeoW, Halo and Forza).

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i wouldn't call there products mediocre but they have made some bad business choices this generation, the first was going with a disk format that despite being an advantage was not actually needed this generation which allowed there competitors to undercut them at every turn and cost them a hefty profit, despite there setbacks SONY have done well to keep themselves in the 'game' so to speak though and i think they will learn from there mistakes.ShadowMoses900

I disagree, Blu Ray is a hughe advantage this gen and is one of the main reason why some of games are exclusive to the PS3. Take MGS4 for example, due to DVD limitations, the game is ONLY possible on a Blu Ray disc. For it to be on a DVD it would have taken up to around 7 or 8 discs, I'm not overexaggerating either. The 360 and PS3 are both around the same power so graphically they could have looked the exaclty the same (like 90% of multiplats), it comes down to the devs. So it's not that the 360 couldn't handle the game it'self, it just didn't have the correct format. There is no doubt that the next Xbox system will use Blu Ray, no doubt at all.

There are some other games like this aswell, and while I agree it wasn't entirely nessecary to have it this gen. It was in Sony's best interest to capatilise on that feature and come next gen they will have had the most experience with it than the competition. Without Blu Ray than there wouldn't have been certain games out this gen.

Please keep in mind though, I am NOT saying Sony didn't make mistakes this gen. They certainly did, but I just disagree with the Blu Ray part. IMO Sony made the mistake of releasing an over priced system, not getting a good online service until later (PSN is great now, but at launch it was pretty bad), and just having an overall arrogant and cocky PR this gen that came back to bite them.

I know some people talk about how Sony made the PS3 hard to develop for and thus having "inferior" multiplats, but I don't think that's true. Mabey early on this gen it was true, but now devs don't complain about it and in fact some say the opposite, and I SERIOUSLY doubt that anyone can ever see a difference in 90% of the multiplats that come out. They look exactly the same.

The next xbox could use any number of storage mediums including HD-DVD if MS wanted it to, there is no real reason that they would have to use bluray, except if they wanted bluray playback for movies, but that it hardly essential to a console that has all the streaming services that are out there.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]i wouldn't call there products mediocre but they have made some bad business choices this generation, the first was going with a disk format that despite being an advantage was not actually needed this generation which allowed there competitors to undercut them at every turn and cost them a hefty profit, despite there setbacks SONY have done well to keep themselves in the 'game' so to speak though and i think they will learn from there mistakes.tempest91

I disagree, Blu Ray is a hughe advantage this gen and is one of the main reason why some of games are exclusive to the PS3. Take MGS4 for example, due to DVD limitations, the game is ONLY possible on a Blu Ray disc. For it to be on a DVD it would have taken up to around 7 or 8 discs, I'm not overexaggerating either. The 360 and PS3 are both around the same power so graphically they could have looked the exaclty the same (like 90% of multiplats), it comes down to the devs. So it's not that the 360 couldn't handle the game it'self, it just didn't have the correct format. There is no doubt that the next Xbox system will use Blu Ray, no doubt at all.

There are some other games like this aswell, and while I agree it wasn't entirely nessecary to have it this gen. It was in Sony's best interest to capatilise on that feature and come next gen they will have had the most experience with it than the competition. Without Blu Ray than there wouldn't have been certain games out this gen.

Please keep in mind though, I am NOT saying Sony didn't make mistakes this gen. They certainly did, but I just disagree with the Blu Ray part. IMO Sony made the mistake of releasing an over priced system, not getting a good online service until later (PSN is great now, but at launch it was pretty bad), and just having an overall arrogant and cocky PR this gen that came back to bite them.

I know some people talk about how Sony made the PS3 hard to develop for and thus having "inferior" multiplats, but I don't think that's true. Mabey early on this gen it was true, but now devs don't complain about it and in fact some say the opposite, and I SERIOUSLY doubt that anyone can ever see a difference in 90% of the multiplats that come out. They look exactly the same.

The next xbox could use any number of storage mediums including HD-DVD if MS wanted it to, there is no real reason that they would have to use bluray, except if they wanted bluray playback for movies, but that it hardly essential to a console that has all the streaming services that are out there.

They don't make HD DVD anymore, it got crushed by Blu Ray. Games are going to get bigger and bigger in size and Blu Ray is nesseccary for this, DVD simply won't be able to handle next gen when all the "big" games come out. The next Xbox will use Blu Ray, and MGS4 will come out on it.

As for the streaming stuff, Blu Ray is of MUCH higher quality than any HD stream you can ever do. It's simply a fact to anyone who has used both. Blu Ray is better for HD quality, end of story.

If only I made 10 bucks everytime I read a thread like this.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i wouldn't call there products mediocre but they have made some bad business choices this generation, the first was going with a disk format that despite being an advantage was not actually needed this generation which allowed there competitors to undercut them at every turn and cost them a hefty profit, despite there setbacks SONY have done well to keep themselves in the 'game' so to speak though and i think they will learn from there mistakes.ShadowMoses900

I disagree, Blu Ray is a hughe advantage this gen and is one of the main reason why some of games are exclusive to the PS3. Take MGS4 for example, due to DVD limitations, the game is ONLY possible on a Blu Ray disc. For it to be on a DVD it would have taken up to around 7 or 8 discs, I'm not overexaggerating either. The 360 and PS3 are both around the same power so graphically they could have looked the exaclty the same (like 90% of multiplats), it comes down to the devs. So it's not that the 360 couldn't handle the game it'self, it just didn't have the correct format. There is no doubt that the next Xbox system will use Blu Ray, no doubt at all.

If only I made 10 bucks everytime I read a thread like this.

Santesyu

lol clever...

But you are exactly right and I agree, it's time to let this thread die guys. It was just a troll thread anyways and it's been done a many times before.

Well anyways,I gotta get off, Igot to go visit my girlfriends stupid parents tomorrow (god I hate them) :P so got to get up early. See you guys later.

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]i wouldn't call there products mediocre but they have made some bad business choices this generation, the first was going with a disk format that despite being an advantage was not actually needed this generation which allowed there competitors to undercut them at every turn and cost them a hefty profit, despite there setbacks SONY have done well to keep themselves in the 'game' so to speak though and i think they will learn from there mistakes.TheShadowLord07

I disagree, Blu Ray is a hughe advantage this gen and is one of the main reason why some of games are exclusive to the PS3. Take MGS4 for example, due to DVD limitations, the game is ONLY possible on a Blu Ray disc. For it to be on a DVD it would have taken up to around 7 or 8 discs, I'm not overexaggerating either. The 360 and PS3 are both around the same power so graphically they could have looked the exaclty the same (like 90% of multiplats), it comes down to the devs. So it's not that the 360 couldn't handle the game it'self, it just didn't have the correct format. There is no doubt that the next Xbox system will use Blu Ray, no doubt at all.

Can't post links because site won't work (glitch spot) but just look up MGS4 memory size and it will show you. It's not possible on dvd man...I'm sorry. Wish it was so everyone got to play it, but it simply isn't. Kojima would have brought it to 360 already if he could have.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I disagree, Blu Ray is a hughe advantage this gen and is one of the main reason why some of games are exclusive to the PS3. Take MGS4 for example, due to DVD limitations, the game is ONLY possible on a Blu Ray disc. For it to be on a DVD it would have taken up to around 7 or 8 discs, I'm not overexaggerating either. The 360 and PS3 are both around the same power so graphically they could have looked the exaclty the same (like 90% of multiplats), it comes down to the devs. So it's not that the 360 couldn't handle the game it'self, it just didn't have the correct format. There is no doubt that the next Xbox system will use Blu Ray, no doubt at all.

ShadowMoses900

Can't post links because site won't work (glitch spot) but just look up MGS4 memory size and it will show you. It's not possible on dvd man...I'm sorry. Wish it was so everyone got to play it, but it simply isn't. Kojima would have brought it to 360 already if he could have.

he could always uncompressed the data for mgs4. though it wouldnt be the perfect game he want it too be

TC explain the microsoft Zune.

TC explain the microsoft Zune.

KoRneYEZ

it just says that wii has a lower price and 360 has kinect, that is it. how is this about gaming at all.

where is the vita and stuff about other gaming products?

and considering all you do is bash sony, you linked a pointless blog that does. Congratz

Diviniuz

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I disagree, Blu Ray is a hughe advantage this gen and is one of the main reason why some of games are exclusive to the PS3. Take MGS4 for example, due to DVD limitations, the game is ONLY possible on a Blu Ray disc. For it to be on a DVD it would have taken up to around 7 or 8 discs, I'm not overexaggerating either. The 360 and PS3 are both around the same power so graphically they could have looked the exaclty the same (like 90% of multiplats), it comes down to the devs. So it's not that the 360 couldn't handle the game it'self, it just didn't have the correct format. There is no doubt that the next Xbox system will use Blu Ray, no doubt at all.

ShadowMoses900

Can't post links because site won't work (glitch spot) but just look up MGS4 memory size and it will show you. It's not possible on dvd man...I'm sorry. Wish it was so everyone got to play it, but it simply isn't. Kojima would have brought it to 360 already if he could have.

[QUOTE="KoRneYEZ"]

TC explain the microsoft Zune.

cainetao11

You know there's a difference between bias and fabrication. Unfortunately, in this day and age there is a consistently repetitive and dull argument about to particular consoles that have both made a large number of mistakes. Coming onto a forum to make a thread that gives only the bad points about Playstation and failing to remember the invention of Kinect is about as bias as they come. While saying that PS3 sucks and then stating that XBox 360 is amazing is purely down to fabrication. As far as I'm concerned the PS3 would triumph over the Xbox were it not for the exclusive franchises on the 360, however now I kind of wish I owned a PS3 as it has a nice collection of exclusives, plus I'd save money for my online. However, that may just be because they have a couple of Disgaea games that I want to get my hands on. Whatever, that's not the point, the point is that the article itself was clearly biased, covered up with incomplete facts and lack of intricacy, but the original poster turned this into fabrication, perhaps not of his own will, the people who (rightfully) came to argue their case are most likely to blame as well.Whatever, this is system wars, feel free to repeatedly exchange irrelevant arguments all you like, I'd much rather take the challenges offered to me by all the systems, because that's what defines a 'hardcore' gamer (nerd) among the 'casual' (modern) crowd nowadays.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I disagree, Blu Ray is a hughe advantage this gen and is one of the main reason why some of games are exclusive to the PS3. Take MGS4 for example, due to DVD limitations, the game is ONLY possible on a Blu Ray disc. For it to be on a DVD it would have taken up to around 7 or 8 discs, I'm not overexaggerating either. The 360 and PS3 are both around the same power so graphically they could have looked the exaclty the same (like 90% of multiplats), it comes down to the devs. So it's not that the 360 couldn't handle the game it'self, it just didn't have the correct format. There is no doubt that the next Xbox system will use Blu Ray, no doubt at all.

There are some other games like this aswell, and while I agree it wasn't entirely nessecary to have it this gen. It was in Sony's best interest to capatilise on that feature and come next gen they will have had the most experience with it than the competition. Without Blu Ray than there wouldn't have been certain games out this gen.

Please keep in mind though, I am NOT saying Sony didn't make mistakes this gen. They certainly did, but I just disagree with the Blu Ray part. IMO Sony made the mistake of releasing an over priced system, not getting a good online service until later (PSN is great now, but at launch it was pretty bad), and just having an overall arrogant and cocky PR this gen that came back to bite them.

I know some people talk about how Sony made the PS3 hard to develop for and thus having "inferior" multiplats, but I don't think that's true. Mabey early on this gen it was true, but now devs don't complain about it and in fact some say the opposite, and I SERIOUSLY doubt that anyone can ever see a difference in 90% of the multiplats that come out. They look exactly the same.

ShadowMoses900

The next xbox could use any number of storage mediums including HD-DVD if MS wanted it to, there is no real reason that they would have to use bluray, except if they wanted bluray playback for movies, but that it hardly essential to a console that has all the streaming services that are out there.

They don't make HD DVD anymore, it got crushed by Blu Ray. Games are going to get bigger and bigger in size and Blu Ray is nesseccary for this, DVD simply won't be able to handle next gen when all the "big" games come out. The next Xbox will use Blu Ray, and MGS4 will come out on it.

As for the streaming stuff, Blu Ray is of MUCH higher quality than any HD stream you can ever do. It's simply a fact to anyone who has used both. Blu Ray is better for HD quality, end of story.

You realize that Bluray winning the format war has nothing to do with storage mediums for a console right? Just like the PS3 using virtually extinct rambus RAM for it's parts, MS could easily resurrect HD-DVD, not that they would have to because they could use other storage mediums or create on just for their system using flash memory or any number of ways. They also don't have to use bluray for movie playback at all, and most people involved in the industry don't think they will. And the fact that HD streaming right now isn't as good as bluray also means nothing. Get a bluray player for almost nothing and have a console, they are separate things.

If you put it this way Sony and Nintendo are the only two gaming companies that have put more effort in producing games than anybody. Compared to them, what has MS done as far as revolutionizing gaming besides making game developers like Rare and Bungie "turn to mediocrity"?Bazooka_4ME

You forgot to add in your opinion bro.

Makes some great points. Especially how Sony is going about the ps3 and their other consumer products.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/291451-everything-sony-touches-turns-to-mediocrity

Of all the tech companies I follow, Sony is the most clueless. The reason is simple: It fails to understand synergy.

Sony remains the only major tech company that's not run by a tech executive. Instead the CEO is Howard Stringer, former head of CBS, a content guy. Stringer, like his Japanese predecessors, persists in believing there is some magical link between creating movies or TV shows and making the devices they play on.

There isn't. There never was. That's not to say there aren't synergies in technology. But they're between and among technologies, not between technology and content. There's synergy, for instance, between hardware and software. But Sony tablets are Android-based – Google will do as well in that after-market as Sony will.

There's growing evidence of synergy between online stores and tech hardware. Sony's ebook readers are getting good reviews – but its e-book store is considerably weaker than those of rivals Barnes & Noble and Amazon .

The PlayStation video game system does sell millions of units, but its all-in-one design made it vulnerable to any dedicated system with a lower price, like Nintendo's Wii. It lacks an exciting new interface like Microsoft's Kinect, and when it introduced some hot new 3-D goggles this week there was no connection to the game machine.

The company has remained stuck in slow-growth, even no-growth markets like PCs and cameras, long after rivals abandoned them. Everything Sony touches in tech turns to mediocrity. They got into movie downloads. Good. Then got overtaken by -- wait for it -- Wal-Mart . Really? Really.

GadgetBox' summary of the company's products speaks to me about the company as a whole:

It's behind on TV sales; it has no phone or PC strategy to speak of; it's behind Apple, Amazon and pretty much everybody else in media distribution; and has yet to make amends for the personal security nightmare it dragged its devoted gamers through this year.

Sony has reported net losses for three years running now, despite owning successful TV and movie operations, despite even owning an insurance company. Its shares are actually selling for less than they were at the bottom of the dot-com bust. Unless the company is broken up in some very creative way, it's something you want to stay well away from.

They can start by firing Howard Stringer and bringing on Carl Icahn.

jimmypsn

That is totally wrong. At least theyare very proud of one thingis.....they have brainwashed the normal kids and turned them into the most fear "DIEHARD" fanboys. That one thing is what they have succeeded.

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

Makes some great points. Especially how Sony is going about the ps3 and their other consumer products.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/291451-everything-sony-touches-turns-to-mediocrity

Of all the tech companies I follow, Sony is the most clueless. The reason is simple: It fails to understand synergy.

Sony remains the only major tech company that's not run by a tech executive. Instead the CEO is Howard Stringer, former head of CBS, a content guy. Stringer, like his Japanese predecessors, persists in believing there is some magical link between creating movies or TV shows and making the devices they play on.

There isn't. There never was. That's not to say there aren't synergies in technology. But they're between and among technologies, not between technology and content. There's synergy, for instance, between hardware and software. But Sony tablets are Android-based – Google will do as well in that after-market as Sony will.

There's growing evidence of synergy between online stores and tech hardware. Sony's ebook readers are getting good reviews – but its e-book store is considerably weaker than those of rivals Barnes & Noble and Amazon .

The PlayStation video game system does sell millions of units, but its all-in-one design made it vulnerable to any dedicated system with a lower price, like Nintendo's Wii. It lacks an exciting new interface like Microsoft's Kinect, and when it introduced some hot new 3-D goggles this week there was no connection to the game machine.

The company has remained stuck in slow-growth, even no-growth markets like PCs and cameras, long after rivals abandoned them. Everything Sony touches in tech turns to mediocrity. They got into movie downloads. Good. Then got overtaken by -- wait for it -- Wal-Mart . Really? Really.

GadgetBox' summary of the company's products speaks to me about the company as a whole:

It's behind on TV sales; it has no phone or PC strategy to speak of; it's behind Apple, Amazon and pretty much everybody else in media distribution; and has yet to make amends for the personal security nightmare it dragged its devoted gamers through this year.

Sony has reported net losses for three years running now, despite owning successful TV and movie operations, despite even owning an insurance company. Its shares are actually selling for less than they were at the bottom of the dot-com bust. Unless the company is broken up in some very creative way, it's something you want to stay well away from.

They can start by firing Howard Stringer and bringing on Carl Icahn.

TheXFiles88

That is totally wrong. At least theyare very proud of one thingis.....they have brainwashed the normal kids and turned them into the most fear "DIEHARD" fanboys. That one thing is what they have succeeded.

Why have none of Sony's products taken a foothold with the publiic. Why have they lost billions upon billions year after year if this wasn't the case.

Why have none of Sony's products taken a foothold with the publiic. Why have they lost billions upon billions year after year if this wasn't the case.

jimmypsn

[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

Makes some great points. Especially how Sony is going about the ps3 and their other consumer products.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/291451-everything-sony-touches-turns-to-mediocrity

Of all the tech companies I follow, Sony is the most clueless. The reason is simple: It fails to understand synergy.

Sony remains the only major tech company that's not run by a tech executive. Instead the CEO is Howard Stringer, former head of CBS, a content guy. Stringer, like his Japanese predecessors, persists in believing there is some magical link between creating movies or TV shows and making the devices they play on.

There isn't. There never was. That's not to say there aren't synergies in technology. But they're between and among technologies, not between technology and content. There's synergy, for instance, between hardware and software. But Sony tablets are Android-based – Google will do as well in that after-market as Sony will.

There's growing evidence of synergy between online stores and tech hardware. Sony's ebook readers are getting good reviews – but its e-book store is considerably weaker than those of rivals Barnes & Noble and Amazon .

The PlayStation video game system does sell millions of units, but its all-in-one design made it vulnerable to any dedicated system with a lower price, like Nintendo's Wii. It lacks an exciting new interface like Microsoft's Kinect, and when it introduced some hot new 3-D goggles this week there was no connection to the game machine.

The company has remained stuck in slow-growth, even no-growth markets like PCs and cameras, long after rivals abandoned them. Everything Sony touches in tech turns to mediocrity. They got into movie downloads. Good. Then got overtaken by -- wait for it -- Wal-Mart . Really? Really.

GadgetBox' summary of the company's products speaks to me about the company as a whole:

It's behind on TV sales; it has no phone or PC strategy to speak of; it's behind Apple, Amazon and pretty much everybody else in media distribution; and has yet to make amends for the personal security nightmare it dragged its devoted gamers through this year.

Sony has reported net losses for three years running now, despite owning successful TV and movie operations, despite even owning an insurance company. Its shares are actually selling for less than they were at the bottom of the dot-com bust. Unless the company is broken up in some very creative way, it's something you want to stay well away from.

They can start by firing Howard Stringer and bringing on Carl Icahn.

jimmypsn

That is totally wrong. At least theyare very proud of one thingis.....they have brainwashed the normal kids and turned them into the most fear "DIEHARD" fanboys. That one thing is what they have succeeded.

Why have none of Sony's products taken a foothold with the publiic. Why have they lost billions upon billions year after year if this wasn't the case.

Have you heard stories about Sony fanboys asking people to purchase Blu-Ray movies when the PS3 was released just to support Sony's HD format? How about dumping their working MP3, Walkman players every year with Sony's new line products and giving a midle finger to Apple's ipods/iPhones...ect. Or replace their working HDTVs with 3DTVs and trying to persuade other gamers in doing so just to support Sony. Those are just only a few samples of how far these"DIEHARD" Sony fans would willing to do in order just to support Sony.