Face it: Halo 3 is a generic shooter.

[QUOTE="Chloroformality"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]Please expalin why crysis is so innovative.cobrax25

Its like Farcry...it may not be inovative....but open ended, non-linnear gameplay is not common in FPS's.

But it is linear, though.

No matter how to play the game, the story unfolds in the same way.

....... btw, what the hell is Crysis about, anyway? Freaking aliens again?

How many freaking alien games are we going to get?

the story is dynamic....it unfolds differently depending on what happens in the game.

I was reffering to the gameplay...like Farcry...crysis takes place all in one massive level that allows you to go anywhere whenever you want too, and approach situations differently from many different sides.

That's great, but how exactly does killing people in different ways affect the story's outcome?

...... multiple endings doesn't seem like something that'd work in an FPS, especially one like Crysis where it's mainly twitch shooting.

It works very well in FPS's....again the gameplay is open ended...you can choose what objectives to complete.

and crysis isnt at all a twich shooter.....I dont even know how you got to that conclusion....like Farcry it puts a large emphasis on stealth and scouting...versus running in guns blazing.

First person shooters have made probably the fewest advancements lately out of almost any other genre I've seen.

Most shooters tend to encorporate one or two new features, which somehow brands that shooter innovative and a must have.

Quite honestly, most of the "new" things I see shooters do, I've seen other genre's do them prior...... and better, for that matter.

Open ended gameplay, done before Farcry. Changing the outcome of the story, definitely done before Crysis. Slowing down time, done before FEAR.

...... what's the big deal?....... now we get to do all those things and shoot people at the same time?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]

I don't care if it's the most innovative FPS you played. It IS generic. stories can be generic, but still be captivating. You're argument is definitely flawed. Do you even know what generic means?

TrueReligion_

Basically, you didn't respond to a single point i made and instead said "i dont care what you think it IS generic."

Great job. :)

Ever read "Ringworld" by Larry Niven? :|

...didn't think so.

Oh come on, that is such a cow response. Ringworld is only similar in terms of shape, not the use of Halo. Other than the similarity of how it looks, the book is completely different to Halo.

[QUOTE="GanonBuRAP"]Halo1 revolutionized FPS games, Halo 2 continued it, Halo 3 is going to improve upon it. Meanwhile, EVERY OTHER FPS in the world copied the core mechanics of Halo1 that made it stand out, and now it's become standard. Many cows and sheep forget this, and say Halo never brought anything new to the table. Fact is, Halo MADE the table.Tamarind_Face

Though imo it did revolutionize console fps.

Halo3 wouldn't be much different from previous Halo

a generic shooter

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="GanonBuRAP"]Halo1 revolutionized FPS games, Halo 2 continued it, Halo 3 is going to improve upon it. Meanwhile, EVERY OTHER FPS in the world copied the core mechanics of Halo1 that made it stand out, and now it's become standard. Many cows and sheep forget this, and say Halo never brought anything new to the table. Fact is, Halo MADE the table.Karl_123210

Though imo it did revolutionize console fps.

Generic shooter? You do know what generic means, right? It doesn't mean exemplary, it means average, run of the mill, interchangeable with anything else with no significant differences whatsoever.

And you know what? There is nothing wrong with that. I hate it when lemmings claim Halo 3 to be the most innovative thing in the galaxy, but I also hate it when people (cows) say: "Oh it's not innovative. Therefore it sucks!" We can all admit that Halo 3 will bring nothing new to the table. But games don't have to. All games have to do is be fun. Moral of the story: Enjoys games for what they are. You want innovation? Play Bioshock or Crysis. You want straight up action? Play Halo 3 or Call of Duty. There's nothing wrong with either. organic_machine

Halo 3 is far from generic, it reaks of Style, has tons and tons of customizable features, and is a continuing saga of a story. A generic shooter is something like Battlefield or Medal of Honor, no story, got all their ideas from previous wars and so on. Halo is completely original and kicks major ass.

[QUOTE="organic_machine"]And you know what? There is nothing wrong with that. I hate it when lemmings claim Halo 3 to be the most innovative thing in the galaxy, but I also hate it when people (cows) say: "Oh it's not innovative. Therefore it sucks!" We can all admit that Halo 3 will bring nothing new to the table. But games don't have to. All games have to do is be fun. Moral of the story: Enjoys games for what they are. You want innovation? Play Bioshock or Crysis. You want straight up action? Play Halo 3 or Call of Duty. There's nothing wrong with either. Cubs360

Halo 3 is far from generic, it reaks of Style, has tons and tons of customizable features, and is a continuing saga of a story. A generic shooter is something like Battlefield or Medal of Honor, no story, got all their ideas from previous wars and so on. Halo is completely original and kicks major ass.

how is battlefield at all a generic shooter? it was the first multiplayer game that allowed to participate in conflicts so large that they would previously only be seen in singleplayer.

There seems to be a bit of misconception in this thread. Think of it like this. Look at the GTA series. San Andreas and Vice City EXPANDED upon GTA 3. But GTA 4 Re-invents GTA 3. Halo 3 takes the concepts of the first two and expands on their good points. BUT, here is where my point is: Sequals DONT have to re-invent. Crysis completely re-invents the core concept of Far Cry to the point where I find it insulting to compare the two. That is why I mentioned the game. Halo 3 wont be a re-invention, but rather, it will be (or at least SEEMS to be) fun ragardless. organic_machine

very few games are innovative nowadays, with good reason too because there are so many out there

recharging health (halo, CoD2 and onwards and many more)

time manipulation (Max Payne 1 & 2, FEAR, Stranglehold)

free roaming (GTA, Mercenaries)

even Crysis with its weapon customization (Rainbow 6, Ghost Recon) and special abilities (Far Cry instincts) isnt anything new per se, but its impletemented in a cool way

for all i care, they can be the least innovative of games, bringing nothing "new" to the table, but if they are fun amd enjoyable, bring 'em

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Chloroformality"][QUOTE="cobrax25"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]Please expalin why crysis is so innovative.Chloroformality

Its like Farcry...it may not be inovative....but open ended, non-linnear gameplay is not common in FPS's.

But it is linear, though.

No matter how to play the game, the story unfolds in the same way.

....... btw, what the hell is Crysis about, anyway? Freaking aliens again?

How many freaking alien games are we going to get?

the story is dynamic....it unfolds differently depending on what happens in the game.

I was reffering to the gameplay...like Farcry...crysis takes place all in one massive level that allows you to go anywhere whenever you want too, and approach situations differently from many different sides.

That's great, but how exactly does killing people in different ways affect the story's outcome?

...... multiple endings doesn't seem like something that'd work in an FPS, especially one like Crysis where it's mainly twitch shooting.

It works very well in FPS's....again the gameplay is open ended...you can choose what objectives to complete.

and crysis isnt at all a twich shooter.....I dont even know how you got to that conclusion....like Farcry it puts a large emphasis on stealth and scouting...versus running in guns blazing.

First person shooters have made probably the fewest advancements lately out of almost any other genre I've seen.

Most shooters tend to encorporate one or two new features, which somehow brands that shooter innovative and a must have.

Quite honestly, most of the "new" things I see shooters do, I've seen other genre's do them prior...... and better, for that matter.

Open ended gameplay, done before Farcry. Changing the outcome of the story, definitely done before Crysis. Slowing down time, done before FEAR.

...... what's the big deal?....... now we get to do all those things and shoot people at the same time?

nobody is calling revolutionary....but it certainly has a lot of features that are rarely seen in games. Halo 3 on the other hand.....not so much.

A lot of people are calling it revolutionary, actually.

... both games, to me, offer just as much as the other. They're just shooters...

What are you getting at here? They're just shooters...sports games are just sports games...strategy games are just strategy games... flying sims are just flying sims...and so on. What do you want, a brand new type of game? Sorry, but most games that will work have already been done before...

The correct terminology would be standardized. Halo really didn't revolutionize anything. its an almagamation of previous games. A good standardization, but a standardization none-the-less.Vandalvideo

Yeah I think that would be the correct terminology to use, just couldn't use the correct terminology. PC fps laid the ground work for all console fps, and Halo CE was the first console fps to use it.

Oh, and the ending. OMG. I cried a little. Seriously. In a good way, not in a Halo 2 way. Bungie Producer Curtis Creamer regarding his favorite campaign moments

I love the campaign, it’s really fun to play. I’ve probably played through 50-60 timesBungie Producer Curtis Creamer regarding the campaign

Another day, another Halo bashing topic.

How lame......

If you insist though, iIll willingly rise to the bait.

1 - The most entertaining selection of enemies in fps - varied in personality and abilities and the constant chatter gives you an tremendous sense of immersion.

2 - Great use of vehicles

3 - Open sweeping battlefields rather than enclosed areas

4- Story plays a prominent role unlike most fps - simultaneously fun AND epic

5 - large numbers of enemies on screen

all of these factors suggest Halo is anything but generic

Another day, another Halo bashing topic.

mijkil

Did you read my post? :| I was actually trying to compliment Halo 3. By sort of redefining the term "generic." but I guess some don't feel it is neccesary to read threads before they post in them.

Generic shooter? [QUOTE="Bungie Producer Curtis Creamer regarding the campaign"] I love the campaign, it's really fun to play. I've probably played through 50-60 timesmusicalmac

[QUOTE="mijkil"]

Another day, another Halo bashing topic.

organic_machine

Did you read my post? :| I was actually trying to compliment Halo 3. By sort of redefining the term "generic." but I guess some don't feel it is neccesary to read threads before they post in them.

ever heard of the phrase "damning with faint praise"?

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Generic shooter? [QUOTE="Bungie Producer Curtis Creamer regarding the campaign"] I love the campaign, it's really fun to play. I've probably played through 50-60 timespapa_smurf_23

How many great movies are innovative... not many. they do what`s allready been done a little bit better.

Halo is just a solid well made game, innovative? no i don`t think so

[QUOTE="organic_machine"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Another day, another Halo bashing topic.

mijkil

Did you read my post? :| I was actually trying to compliment Halo 3. By sort of redefining the term "generic." but I guess some don't feel it is neccesary to read threads before they post in them.

ever heard of the phrase "damning with faint praise"?

Yes, and my post does not pertain to it. Read my post. Read it again. Damning with faint praise would be me saying, "the gameplay sucks, the story sucks, but at least the grpahics are decent." But I am not doing so at all. Yes, I sort of redefines "generic," and guess what? I don't care what anyone elses definition is. My point remains the same and if you refuse to understand it, thats your problem, not mine.

[QUOTE="mijkil"]

Another day, another Halo bashing topic.

organic_machine

Did you read my post? :| I was actually trying to compliment Halo 3. By sort of redefining the term "generic." but I guess some don't feel it is neccesary to read threads before they post in them.

I think the problem is, as you pointed out earlier is the term you used "generic" Now I know that you are not bashing Halo or anything and think it is a good/great game that isn't revolutionary as some other games. Just that a lot of people see the term "generic" as sort of an insult. They see generic and they see it as you saying "Halo is nothing special, just another common fps" So basically trying to change most peoples definition of "generic" will be a little hard to do.

[QUOTE="papa_smurf_23"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]Generic shooter? [QUOTE="Bungie Producer Curtis Creamer regarding the campaign"] I love the campaign, it's really fun to play. I've probably played through 50-60 timesmusicalmac

thank you for enlightening me:)

[QUOTE="organic_machine"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Another day, another Halo bashing topic.

Karl_123210

Did you read my post? :| I was actually trying to compliment Halo 3. By sort of redefining the term "generic." but I guess some don't feel it is neccesary to read threads before they post in them.

I think the problem is, as you pointed out earlier is the term you used "generic" Now I know that you are not bashing Halo or anything and think it is a good/great game that isn't revolutionary as some other games. Just that a lot of people see the term "generic" as sort of an insult. They see generic and they see it as you saying "Halo is nothing special, just another common fps" So basically trying to change most peoples definition of "generic" will be a little hard to do.

I know people think "generic" is an insult. Thats the point. It really isnt an insult. Halo isn't special or revolutionary. It doesn't try to be. It tries to be a fun and engaging experience. It succeeds. Many games do this, but so what?

I never get the same experience with other shooters as I do with Halo. I don't find it generic at all._en1gma_

That is exactly the point. Well said.

There arent many games that play like halo, and those that do tend to be blatant halo rip-offs.

It's anything but generic.

Check the control schemes used in modern console FPSs, they are now nearly all the same, thanks to Halo perfecting the formula. Matchmaking in console FPSs is coming on leaps and bounds, just take a look at Resistance, where does that all stem from? Halo. Holding two weapons, regenerating health, grenade/gun combo, stat tracking, more staples in modern console FPSs, look what popularised those. Halo.

Not to mention the massive popularity of the series showing developers that creating a good FPS on consoles is very possible.

People just don't understand what Halo brought to the console world. Plus, I'm willing to bet that once console developers start to see Halo 3s saved replay system and realise how popular it is, that will also soon become incorperated into many, many games.

I know people think "generic" is an insult. Thats the point. It really isnt an insult. Halo isn't special or revolutionary. It doesn't try to be. It tries to be a fun and engaging experience. It succeeds. Many games do this, but so what? organic_machine

If you take a look at where console FPS gaming was at the time Halo:CE launched, and how it is now, you'll understand that the franchise was both special and revolutionary.

If you take a look at where console FPS gaming was at the time Halo:CE launched, and how it is now, you'll understand that the franchise was both special and revolutionary.

Raidea

:roll: You're missing the point entirely. This is about Halo 3 in comparision to other games coming out. My point is, in comparison to other shooters, Halo 3 might not be so innovative. BUT, games don't have to be innovative to be fun. And Halo 3 will be perfectly fine, even if it won't be revolutionary. THAT is my point!

:roll: You're missing the point entirely. This is about Halo 3 in comparision to other games coming out. My point is, in comparison to other shooters, Halo 3 might not be so innovative. BUT, games don't have to be innovative to be fun. And Halo 3 will be perfectly fine, even if it won't be revolutionary. THAT is my point!

organic_machine

The problem, though, is your use of the word generic, which IS derogative.

Generic means, basically, lacking distinguishing characteristics, that it has a quality of being replaceable, or that it lacks a special quality or application. When referring to an artistic/intellectual property or execution (like a game could be considered), which by it's very being tries to show a certain individuality in it's area, it cannot be considered a neutral term.

Halo is hardly "generic" under any interpretation of the word you concoct. The problem with your line of thought seems to be that you try to take very broad strokes in the search for innovation while at the same time ignore distinguishing characteristics - which are not necessarily the same thing as innovation - that weaken your thesis. Both subtle innovation and style or character are ignored by your argument, and both are at least as important as the striking, obvious and revolutionary innovation you chastise Halo for lacking.

Halo brought an epic storyline to the table. :| Honestly, i'm happy with that. Most FPS games have little storyline at all, and often the plot is simply an excuse to throw you into certain battlefields a la PDZ and Gears of War. Halo is a genuinely deep, expansive universe to get lost in however. You play to find out what happens next, not just to shoot stuff in the face.

Halo 2 also brought about an incredibly innovative matchmaking and party system which hasn't been matched to this day.

Ninja-Vox

An Evil alien race is trying to destroy the world and one man must save it.... That's a really innovative story I havent heard that before..... Please Halo has a horrible story...

An Evil alien race is trying to destroy the world and one man must save it.... That's a really innovative story I havent heard that before..... Please Halo has a horrible story...

swade

Tell me one "good" and "innovative" story. I dare you.

Bioshock and crysis are not innovative..FlockofSpagheti

and crysis is innovative due to the crazy damage, and super suit

[QUOTE="swade"]

An Evil alien race is trying to destroy the world and one man must save it.... That's a really innovative story I havent heard that before..... Please Halo has a horrible story...

Grive

Tell me one "good" and "innovative" story. I dare you.

LOST I love that show... It has an amazing story... Fight Club.... There's actually alot. Metal Gear Solid.

LOST I love that show... It has an amazing story... Fight Club.... There's actually alot. Metal Gear Solid.

swade

LOST: Bunch of guys stranded, must trust and help each other against the dangers that lurk. So generic... so horrible.

Fight Club: Guy with bipolar personality disorder causes a mess. So generic.... so horrible

Metal Gear Solid: This takes the cake. Terrorists attack. It's up to a gruff ex-operative with a past to take them on. So incredibly generic... so incredibly supid and horrible.

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]

I don't care if it's the most innovative FPS you played. It IS generic. stories can be generic, but still be captivating. You're argument is definitely flawed. Do you even know what generic means?

Ninja-Vox

Basically, you didn't respond to a single point i made and instead said "i dont care what you think it IS generic."

Great job. :)

can you tell me why it's anything but generic

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

Halo brought an epic storyline to the table. :| Honestly, i'm happy with that. Most FPS games have little storyline at all, and often the plot is simply an excuse to throw you into certain battlefields a la PDZ and Gears of War. Halo is a genuinely deep, expansive universe to get lost in however. You play to find out what happens next, not just to shoot stuff in the face.

Halo 2 also brought about an incredibly innovative matchmaking and party system which hasn't been matched to this day.

swade

An Evil alien race is trying to destroy the world and one man must save it.... That's a really innovative story I havent heard that before..... Please Halo has a horrible story...

That's not the story at all....

[QUOTE="swade"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

Halo brought an epic storyline to the table. :| Honestly, i'm happy with that. Most FPS games have little storyline at all, and often the plot is simply an excuse to throw you into certain battlefields a la PDZ and Gears of War. Halo is a genuinely deep, expansive universe to get lost in however. You play to find out what happens next, not just to shoot stuff in the face.

Halo 2 also brought about an incredibly innovative matchmaking and party system which hasn't been matched to this day.

MADVLAD123

An Evil alien race is trying to destroy the world and one man must save it.... That's a really innovative story I havent heard that before..... Please Halo has a horrible story...

That's not the story at all....

The Aliens are trying to use a weapon that can destroy the galaxy... How is that not the story.... I've played Halo....

The Aliens are trying to use a weapon that can destroy the galaxy... How is that not the story.... I've played Halo....

swade

By played you mean "took the controller for a bit at Gamestop", perchance?

And you're still to answer my previous post.

[QUOTE="swade"]

An Evil alien race is trying to destroy the world and one man must save it.... That's a really innovative story I havent heard that before..... Please Halo has a horrible story...

Grive

Tell me one "good" and "innovative" story. I dare you.

in an FPS?

Dues Ex

STALKER

Bioshock

I would add Half Life(s) but its not the story thats good....but the way its presented.

[QUOTE="MADVLAD123"][QUOTE="swade"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

Halo brought an epic storyline to the table. :| Honestly, i'm happy with that. Most FPS games have little storyline at all, and often the plot is simply an excuse to throw you into certain battlefields a la PDZ and Gears of War. Halo is a genuinely deep, expansive universe to get lost in however. You play to find out what happens next, not just to shoot stuff in the face.

Halo 2 also brought about an incredibly innovative matchmaking and party system which hasn't been matched to this day.

swade

An Evil alien race is trying to destroy the world and one man must save it.... That's a really innovative story I havent heard that before..... Please Halo has a horrible story...

That's not the story at all....

The Aliens are trying to use a weapon that can destroy the galaxy... How is that not the story.... I've played Halo....

[QUOTE="swade"]

LOST I love that show... It has an amazing story... Fight Club.... There's actually alot. Metal Gear Solid.

Grive

LOST: Bunch of guys stranded, must trust and help each other against the dangers that lurk. So generic... so horrible.

Fight Club: Guy with bipolar personality disorder causes a mess. So generic.... so horrible

Metal Gear Solid: This takes the cake. Terrorists attack. It's up to a gruff ex-operative with a past to take them on. So incredibly generic... so incredibly supid and horrible.

It's the things within those stories that make them original which Halo doesnt have. All you can say about Halo is your fighting the covenant and the brutes there's nothing really mysterious going on it's just a straight up war with no twists what so ever. The one thing Halo truly doesnt have is a twist except for the time you play that alien dude which wasnt that amazing.... There is ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING IN THE STORY THAT IS NEW!!!

[QUOTE="Grive"][QUOTE="swade"]

LOST I love that show... It has an amazing story... Fight Club.... There's actually alot. Metal Gear Solid.

swade

LOST: Bunch of guys stranded, must trust and help each other against the dangers that lurk. So generic... so horrible.

Fight Club: Guy with bipolar personality disorder causes a mess. So generic.... so horrible

Metal Gear Solid: This takes the cake. Terrorists attack. It's up to a gruff ex-operative with a past to take them on. So incredibly generic... so incredibly supid and horrible.

It's the things within those stories that make them original which Halo doesnt have. All you can say about Halo is your fighting the covenant and the brutes there's nothing really mysterious going on it's just a straight up war with no twists what so ever. The one thing Halo truly doesnt have is a twist except for the time you play that alien dude which wasnt that amazing.... There is ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING IN THE STORY THAT IS NEW!!!