FACE IT... The Wii is not killing gaming.... IT'S JUST KILLING THE PS3 AND 360

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

So because your gameplay experience hasn't been as good as mine automatically means that we can dismiss the sales? Gameplay experience is subjective and I've been having a blast with mine. Everyone's gameplay experience is different and therefore you can't measure that. But sales, now THAT you can measure.

Ninja-Vox

The general consensus right now is that the Wii is lacking in games. If you cannot accept that, i'm talking to a wall. You might think Scarface is totally awesome - and good for you - but you need to realise that right now the Wii isn't doing so well in games. Of course that'll change, but RIGHT NOW, that's the situation.

And that's not just me; that's the general body of opinion. Only fanboys say otherwise.

Honestly.. That's the only real problem I see with the wii's success... Nintendo fans know better but aren't willing to budge.. So Companies will continue to put out half assed efforts so the games can keep selling. I only hope that devs atleast take alittle more time on their games...

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

So because your gameplay experience hasn't been as good as mine automatically means that we can dismiss the sales? Gameplay experience is subjective and I've been having a blast with mine. Everyone's gameplay experience is different and therefore you can't measure that. But sales, now THAT you can measure.

Ninja-Vox

The general consensus right now is that the Wii is lacking in games. If you cannot accept that, i'm talking to a wall. You might think Scarface is totally awesome - and good for you - but you need to realise that right now the Wii isn't doing so well in games. Of course that'll change, but RIGHT NOW, that's the situation.

And that's not just me; that's the general body of opinion. Only fanboys say otherwise.

What body of consensus are you talking about here? Are you talking about people in Systems Wars? Yeah, like people can't lie about things here. That "honest" guy you pointed out. Funny how he's only honest when his opinion coincides with yours and fanboys are those whose opinions are different from yours.

Honestly.. That's the only real problem I see with the wii's success... Nintendo fans know better but aren't willing to budge.. So Companies will continue to put out half assed efforts so the games can keep selling. I only hope that devs atleast take alittle more time on their games...

OhSnapitz

That's exactly my point. I'd understand the hate from the Wii fanboys if i said the Wii sucks and always will suck, but i've said on plenty of occasions that it does have SOME good games and will undoubtedly acquire many more, but right now, its lacking in the games department somewhat.

But lord knows i must a fanboy out to ruin Nintendo's good name!

The wii is the worst of the consles. The only reason it is selling becuase every grandma wants to virtually bowl. The 360 and PS3 offer online gameplay with awsome games that can not be run on nintendos little wii.CrimsonBlade360

Typical Wii bash. :)

What body of consensus are you talking about here? Are you talking about people in Systems Wars? Yeah, like people can't lie about things here. That "honest" guy you pointed out. Funny how he's only honest when his opinion coincides with yours and fanboys are those whose opinions are different from yours.

Zhengi

It's nothing to do with opinion. You are a fanboy because you refuse to have any criticism levied at nintendo. I am not because i've praised the Wii in certain areas and pointed out where its lacking; namely in decent games right now. You absolutely refuse to accept that. And you must be on another planet if you honestly wont recognise the general body of opinion amongst most gamers that the Wii doesn't have much to play right now.

Because it doesn't. Simple as that.

I don't see how the Wii is killing the Ps3 and 360. In terms of quality games,the Wii severely lacks in this department compared to the rest(The two best Wii games are last gen games). The solution to the problem?Don't support the companies that resort to porting last-gen games and only changing the control scheme,this is not a good direction for the Wii to be going in.Dualshockin

Do you know the meaning of "Killing"?

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

Honestly.. That's the only real problem I see with the wii's success... Nintendo fans know better but aren't willing to budge.. So Companies will continue to put out half assed efforts so the games can keep selling. I only hope that devs atleast take alittle more time on their games...

Ninja-Vox

That's exactly my point. I'd understand the hate from the Wii fanboys if i said the Wii sucks and always will suck, but i've said on plenty of occasions that it does have SOME good games and will undoubtedly acquire many more, but right now, its lacking in the games department somewhat.

But lord knows i must a fanboy out to ruin Nintendo's good name!

But this is what Nintendo does... I've accepted it but I won't bend.... Until the wii gets more quality software, I ain't buying it.

I don't see how the Wii is killing the Ps3 and 360. In terms of quality games,the Wii severely lacks in this department compared to the rest(The two best Wii games are last gen games). The solution to the problem?Don't support the companies that resort to porting last-gen games and only changing the control scheme,this is not a good direction for the Wii to be going in.Dualshockin

You're going to be attacked as an evil wii-basher. Be ready for it.

[QUOTE="CJL13"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Uptown"]Oh, so thats why.....

1. Alone in the Dark
2. Kane & Lynch: Dead Men
3. Half-Life 2 Orange Box
4. Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
5. Unreal Tournament 3
6. The Last Remnant
7. Virtua Fighter 5
8. Soul Calibur IV
9. Devil May Cry 4
10. Grand Theft Auto IV
11. Ace Combat 6
12. The Darkness
13. BioShock
14. Alan Wake
15. Stranglehold
16. Rainbow Six Vegas
17. Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2
18. Army of Two
19. Battlefield: Bad Company
20. BlackSite: Area 51
21. Burnout Paradise
22. Brother's in Arms Hells Highway
23. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
24. Clive Barker's Jericho
25. Condemned 2
26. DiRT
27. Dark Sector
28. Fallout 3
29. Haze
30. Resident Evil 5
31. Saint's Row 2
32. Sega Rally Revo
33. Soldier of Fortune: Pay Back
34. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
35. Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix
36. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
37. Tom Clancy's EndWar
38. Turok
39. Assassin's Creed
40. NBA 2K8
41. MLB 2K8

Explain why NONE of these are coming to the Wii? Because its underpowered. Yes devs w ant their games to sell and want them on a console that sells...however, devs still have visions. they still have limits...and the Wii doesnt set a high enough bar for any of the games listed above.

Zhengi

They're not coming because those games started development quite a while ago before the Wii launched. Simple answer. But now 3rd parties are scrambling to bring games to the Wii. That cannot be denied either. As to what games are coming, we'll find out more at E3.

But are those games actually going to be good?

Who knows. Are all of the games Uptown listed guaranteed to be good?

Some of the games listed are already out and are good. We don't know jack about future Wii games other than Nintendo games and a few third party games, and so far there's only one third party future Wii game that people seem to like. Meanwhile the games listed are listed because some of the games have been played by the media and they liked them, we don't know about the others, but I would trust that list more than a whole bunch of Wii games we know nothing about.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. So you're saying Super Paper Mario (AA) and Resident Evil 4 (AAA) are not good games to play? Seriously, how is this fanboyism on my part? Those are good games. I think Scarface is a good game. Oh right, cause your opinion of what games are good >>>> than my opinion. If I don't have the same opinion as you, then that means I'm a fanboy. Even with the concrete evidence in Super Paper Mario being AA and RE4 being AAA. I must definitely be the fanboy here :roll:

No, Super Paper Mario felt like a Wii game. I don't see how I could shake the controller on the GC to cause an effect. So now you're going back to the reviews to back up your comments. What happened to the Wii not having any good games when the reviews said there were good games? You're being selective just to bash the Wii, I see.

As for Zelda and Paper Mario, I've had more fun on them on the Wii and they feel like Wii games. Wow, opinions, aren't they great? Oh yeah, but I forget, your opinoin >>> than my opinion :roll: As for RE4, the Wii version is the definitive version of the game. That alone makes it a worthy purchase. If you don't want to play it because you've played it before, fine, but THAT doesn't mean that everyone has played previous versions of it.

And I'm not attacking everyone for not singing the praises of the Wii. In fact, I'm just responding to what people are writing in this thread. Your arguments are just faulty. So you, your roommate, nephew, and that other "honest" guy = 8 million people? Yeah, once again, how is that EVERYONE?

Ninja-Vox

Where did i say Mario was a bad game? You need to stop operating on "AA" and "AAA" and take the fanboy visor off. Mario is a good game; sure it is. But as the review points out; it feels like a gamecube game released on the Wii. And here's the clincher you'll just never understand:

THE WII IS LACKING IN GAMES RIGHT NOW.

Compared to other systems, there just isn't that much to play. There's Paper Mario; sure a fun game, but feels like a gamecube game. Is it bad? No. Is it something you can throw in somebody's face as evidence of awesome gameplay on the wii? No. Same with Zelda. A gamecube game. RE4; appeared all over the place.

Look at what you're saying are awesome games; a mario RPG which is clearly intended for the gamecube, a port of resident evil 4 (again) and Zelda.

Yes, they're all good games - of course- but do you think they stack up to everything else out there? It's like if the xbox 360 currently had a newer version of Halo 2, Ninja Gaiden 2 which was clearly meant to be on the xbox but ported at the last minute and a remake of Conker. Bad games? No. Games you want to be playing on a new system? NO.

THE WII NEEDS GOOD GAMES. Right now, its lacking. We need a NEW mario game (like galaxy) a NEW metroid game like corruption, and NEW exclusive games which are worth playing. They'll come, and they'll be awesome, but RIGHT NOW, when compared with everything else out there, the Wii is definately in last place when it comes to enjoyable games to play.

And it's not "opinions". I could say "in my opinion that bruce lee game on the xbox is AAA"; that doesn't make it so.

And once more, I quote you "THE WII NEEDS GOOD GAMES" when you say that "Mario is a good game". You're just nitpicking right now by saying it feels like a GC game. You know what, Kameo feels like an Xbox game. Its controls and everything can be done on an Xbox with downgraded graphics. The gameplay is EXACTLY the same since it's on the standard controller. But you know what? I'm not using this argument at all because it's bogus. Nitpick all you want and ignore the AA status in the review. Keep pointing the review saying says the control feel tack on and call me a fanboy for using the same review to point out the AA status.

In fact, you say that all the games I mentioned are good games, and yet you come to the conclusion that the Wii needs good games? Funny how you can use two opposing arguments as if they don't contradict each other and then try to argue against me with both of them. I guess if you want to win an argument, use all the arguments even if they contradict each other.

Right, your opinion doesn't make a Bruce Lee game on the Xbox AAA. But also, your opinion doesn't mean Super Paper Mario isn't AA and RE4 isn't AAA, games that are actually GOOD for the Wii.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

What body of consensus are you talking about here? Are you talking about people in Systems Wars? Yeah, like people can't lie about things here. That "honest" guy you pointed out. Funny how he's only honest when his opinion coincides with yours and fanboys are those whose opinions are different from yours.

Ninja-Vox

It's nothing to do with opinion. You are a fanboy because you refuse to have any criticism levied at nintendo. I am not because i've praised the Wii in certain areas and pointed out where its lacking; namely in decent games right now. You absolutely refuse to accept that. And you must be on another planet if you honestly wont recognise the general body of opinion amongst most gamers that the Wii doesn't have much to play right now.

Because it doesn't. Simple as that.

Okay, now you're being silly. It has nothing to do with opinion? So how does one come to a consensus then? And then, you go on to say this tidbit "And you must be on another planet if you honestly wont recognise the general body of opinion amongst most gamers that the Wii doesn't have much to play right now." You seem to be confused here. So what is it? Does it have to do with opinion or not? Once again, you're arguing with contradicting points.

You can keep accusing me of being a fanboy all you want. I don't believe there's a drought and there have been enough games to keep ME having fun. There are other problems with the Wii, but I just don't believe that there is a drought like some of you claim and I believe there are good games that I've enjoyed.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. So you're saying Super Paper Mario (AA) and Resident Evil 4 (AAA) are not good games to play? Seriously, how is this fanboyism on my part? Those are good games. I think Scarface is a good game. Oh right, cause your opinion of what games are good >>>> than my opinion. If I don't have the same opinion as you, then that means I'm a fanboy. Even with the concrete evidence in Super Paper Mario being AA and RE4 being AAA. I must definitely be the fanboy here :roll:

No, Super Paper Mario felt like a Wii game. I don't see how I could shake the controller on the GC to cause an effect. So now you're going back to the reviews to back up your comments. What happened to the Wii not having any good games when the reviews said there were good games? You're being selective just to bash the Wii, I see.

As for Zelda and Paper Mario, I've had more fun on them on the Wii and they feel like Wii games. Wow, opinions, aren't they great? Oh yeah, but I forget, your opinoin >>> than my opinion :roll: As for RE4, the Wii version is the definitive version of the game. That alone makes it a worthy purchase. If you don't want to play it because you've played it before, fine, but THAT doesn't mean that everyone has played previous versions of it.

And I'm not attacking everyone for not singing the praises of the Wii. In fact, I'm just responding to what people are writing in this thread. Your arguments are just faulty. So you, your roommate, nephew, and that other "honest" guy = 8 million people? Yeah, once again, how is that EVERYONE?

Zhengi

Where did i say Mario was a bad game? You need to stop operating on "AA" and "AAA" and take the fanboy visor off. Mario is a good game; sure it is. But as the review points out; it feels like a gamecube game released on the Wii. And here's the clincher you'll just never understand:

THE WII IS LACKING IN GAMES RIGHT NOW.

Compared to other systems, there just isn't that much to play. There's Paper Mario; sure a fun game, but feels like a gamecube game. Is it bad? No. Is it something you can throw in somebody's face as evidence of awesome gameplay on the wii? No. Same with Zelda. A gamecube game. RE4; appeared all over the place.

Look at what you're saying are awesome games; a mario RPG which is clearly intended for the gamecube, a port of resident evil 4 (again) and Zelda.

Yes, they're all good games - of course- but do you think they stack up to everything else out there? It's like if the xbox 360 currently had a newer version of Halo 2, Ninja Gaiden 2 which was clearly meant to be on the xbox but ported at the last minute and a remake of Conker. Bad games? No. Games you want to be playing on a new system? NO.

THE WII NEEDS GOOD GAMES. Right now, its lacking. We need a NEW mario game (like galaxy) a NEW metroid game like corruption, and NEW exclusive games which are worth playing. They'll come, and they'll be awesome, but RIGHT NOW, when compared with everything else out there, the Wii is definately in last place when it comes to enjoyable games to play.

And it's not "opinions". I could say "in my opinion that bruce lee game on the xbox is AAA"; that doesn't make it so.

And once more, I quote you "THE WII NEEDS GOOD GAMES" when you say that "Mario is a good game". You're just nitpicking right now by saying it feels like a GC game. You know what, Kameo feels like an Xbox game. Its controls and everything can be done on an Xbox with downgraded graphics. The gameplay is EXACTLY the same since it's on the standard controller. But you know what? I'm not using this argument at all because it's bogus. Nitpick all you want and ignore the AA status in the review. Keep pointing the review saying says the control feel tack on and call me a fanboy for using the same review to point out the AA status.

In fact, you say that all the games I mentioned are good games, and yet you come to the conclusion that the Wii needs good games? Funny how you can use two opposing arguments as if they don't contradict each other and then try to argue against me with both of them. I guess if you want to win an argument, use all the arguments even if they contradict each other.

Right, your opinion doesn't make a Bruce Lee game on the Xbox AAA. But also, your opinion doesn't mean Super Paper Mario isn't AA and RE4 isn't AAA, games that are actually GOOD for the Wii.

And once more, I quote you "THE WII NEEDS GOOD GAMES" when you say that "Mario is a good game". You're just nitpicking right now by saying it feels like a GC game. You know what, Kameo feels like an Xbox game. Its controls and everything can be done on an Xbox with downgraded graphics. The gameplay is EXACTLY the same since it's on the standard controller. But you know what? I'm not using this argument at all because it's bogus. Nitpick all you want and ignore the AA status in the review. Keep pointing the review saying says the control feel tack on and call me a fanboy for using the same review to point out the AA status.

In fact, you say that all the games I mentioned are good games, and yet you come to the conclusion that the Wii needs good games? Funny how you can use two opposing arguments as if they don't contradict each other and then try to argue against me with both of them. I guess if you want to win an argument, use all the arguments even if they contradict each other.

Right, your opinion doesn't make a Bruce Lee game on the Xbox AAA. But also, your opinion doesn't mean Super Paper Mario isn't AA and RE4 isn't AAA, games that are actually GOOD for the Wii.

Zhengi

You're completely missing the point. What are the best games on the Wii right now?

Zelda, Paper Mario, Wii Sports and RE4. Two of those are gamecube games released on the Wii. Last gen games in a new box. One is a port of a game released on three platforms before the Wii.

This is where you're a fanboy; you simply quote "but the AA!" as if that automatically makes this a must-have game. It doesn't.

All the Wii has right now are those games. If you're honestly going to quote RE4, Zelda and Paper Mario and then say "see! it has loads of great games" then we should just end this dicussion here as you're living in a bubble. Sure, they're good games, but they're last-gen games. And there are three of them. Four at a stretch. The Wii needs more good games. Simple as that.

Just like DOA4 on the 360; sure, it was a good game. But i ended up trading it in because it smacked of xbox. I'd just bought a 360 and wanted a game to show that.

Stop being such a fanboy and accept the simple truth.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Wait a minute, wait a minute. So you're saying Super Paper Mario (AA) and Resident Evil 4 (AAA) are not good games to play? Seriously, how is this fanboyism on my part? Those are good games. I think Scarface is a good game. Oh right, cause your opinion of what games are good >>>> than my opinion. If I don't have the same opinion as you, then that means I'm a fanboy. Even with the concrete evidence in Super Paper Mario being AA and RE4 being AAA. I must definitely be the fanboy here :roll:

No, Super Paper Mario felt like a Wii game. I don't see how I could shake the controller on the GC to cause an effect. So now you're going back to the reviews to back up your comments. What happened to the Wii not having any good games when the reviews said there were good games? You're being selective just to bash the Wii, I see.

As for Zelda and Paper Mario, I've had more fun on them on the Wii and they feel like Wii games. Wow, opinions, aren't they great? Oh yeah, but I forget, your opinoin >>> than my opinion :roll: As for RE4, the Wii version is the definitive version of the game. That alone makes it a worthy purchase. If you don't want to play it because you've played it before, fine, but THAT doesn't mean that everyone has played previous versions of it.

And I'm not attacking everyone for not singing the praises of the Wii. In fact, I'm just responding to what people are writing in this thread. Your arguments are just faulty. So you, your roommate, nephew, and that other "honest" guy = 8 million people? Yeah, once again, how is that EVERYONE?

Zhengi

Where did i say Mario was a bad game? You need to stop operating on "AA" and "AAA" and take the fanboy visor off. Mario is a good game; sure it is. But as the review points out; it feels like a gamecube game released on the Wii. And here's the clincher you'll just never understand:

THE WII IS LACKING IN GAMES RIGHT NOW.

Compared to other systems, there just isn't that much to play. There's Paper Mario; sure a fun game, but feels like a gamecube game. Is it bad? No. Is it something you can throw in somebody's face as evidence of awesome gameplay on the wii? No. Same with Zelda. A gamecube game. RE4; appeared all over the place.

Look at what you're saying are awesome games; a mario RPG which is clearly intended for the gamecube, a port of resident evil 4 (again) and Zelda.

Yes, they're all good games - of course- but do you think they stack up to everything else out there? It's like if the xbox 360 currently had a newer version of Halo 2, Ninja Gaiden 2 which was clearly meant to be on the xbox but ported at the last minute and a remake of Conker. Bad games? No. Games you want to be playing on a new system? NO.

THE WII NEEDS GOOD GAMES. Right now, its lacking. We need a NEW mario game (like galaxy) a NEW metroid game like corruption, and NEW exclusive games which are worth playing. They'll come, and they'll be awesome, but RIGHT NOW, when compared with everything else out there, the Wii is definately in last place when it comes to enjoyable games to play.

And it's not "opinions". I could say "in my opinion that bruce lee game on the xbox is AAA"; that doesn't make it so.

And once more, I quote you "THE WII NEEDS GOOD GAMES" when you say that "Mario is a good game". You're just nitpicking right now by saying it feels like a GC game. You know what, Kameo feels like an Xbox game. Its controls and everything can be done on an Xbox with downgraded graphics. The gameplay is EXACTLY the same since it's on the standard controller. But you know what? I'm not using this argument at all because it's bogus. Nitpick all you want and ignore the AA status in the review. Keep pointing the review saying says the control feel tack on and call me a fanboy for using the same review to point out the AA status.

In fact, you say that all the games I mentioned are good games, and yet you come to the conclusion that the Wii needs good games? Funny how you can use two opposing arguments as if they don't contradict each other and then try to argue against me with both of them. I guess if you want to win an argument, use all the arguments even if they contradict each other.

Right, your opinion doesn't make a Bruce Lee game on the Xbox AAA. But also, your opinion doesn't mean Super Paper Mario isn't AA and RE4 isn't AAA, games that are actually GOOD for the Wii.

He's saying while the games are good, we've seen them all before. All the games listed but SPM were GC games, and SPM was originally a GC games. While Kameo could've been on past systems, the 360 and PS3 have plenty of games made FOR those systems that use their power to the point where they couldn't be played on the Xbox/PS2. So far the Wii has merely taken games from past systems and put them on the Wii. I'm not saying this won't change in the future, but I didn't buy a Wii to play GC and DS games, I bought it for Wii games.

Okay, now you're being silly. It has nothing to do with opinion? So how does one come to a consensus then? And then, you go on to say this tidbit "And you must be on another planet if you honestly wont recognise the general body of opinion amongst most gamers that the Wii doesn't have much to play right now." You seem to be confused here. So what is it? Does it have to do with opinion or not? Once again, you're arguing with contradicting points.

You can keep accusing me of being a fanboy all you want. I don't believe there's a drought and there have been enough games to keep ME having fun. There are other problems with the Wii, but I just don't believe that there is a drought like some of you claim and I believe there are good games that I've enjoyed.

Zhengi

You missed the point spectacularly (again). There is a difference between "but my opinion..." and a general consensus. I'm honestly not going to even explain that because i think if you read over that post and your reply you'll see how you completely missed the mark.

"contradicting points!11" :lol:

He's saying while the games are good, we've seen them all before. All the games listed but SPM were GC games, and SPM was originally a GC games. While Kameo could've been on past systems, the 360 and PS3 have plenty of games made FOR those systems that use their power to the point where they couldn't be played on the Xbox/PS2. So far the Wii has merely taken games from past systems and put them on the Wii. I'm not saying this won't change in the future, but I didn't buy a Wii to play GC and DS games, I bought it for Wii games.

CJL13

That's exactly what i'm saying, yes. But he just throws the "AA!" in your face as if that somehow removes the fact that these are last-gen games in Wii boxes.

It's killing itself by making it so weak that all these B-grade developers are dumping crap out on it and the top developers aren't even trying peoperly plus it's missing out on pretty much every major game coming out.

After mass effect, halo 3, GTA4, starcraft 2, quake wars and other major hits come back wii only gamers are going to start moving away from it. Even casuals, halo 3 and GTA4 are MASSIVE with them.darklord888

I agree with this lemming who owned you.

Some of the games listed are already out and are good. We don't know jack about future Wii games other than Nintendo games and a few third party games, and so far there's only one third party future Wii game that people seem to like. Meanwhile the games listed are listed because some of the games have been played by the media and they liked them, we don't know about the others, but I would trust that list more than a whole bunch of Wii games we know nothing about.CJL13

So if we don't know anything about future Wii games, how can you conclude that they will all be bad? This is why I said we should wait till E3. But you cannot deny that more 3rd party support is going to the Wii. If people think that 3rd parties won't bring some of their big franchises, then that is just a silly notion. As long as the Wii can increase their userbase to be the biggest, 3rd party devs would be dumb not to bring their big games over for the potential sales. But of course, this is also speculation. We'll find out more info and it wouldn't surprise me if the Wii starts getting some big titles.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

And once more, I quote you "THE WII NEEDS GOOD GAMES" when you say that "Mario is a good game". You're just nitpicking right now by saying it feels like a GC game. You know what, Kameo feels like an Xbox game. Its controls and everything can be done on an Xbox with downgraded graphics. The gameplay is EXACTLY the same since it's on the standard controller. But you know what? I'm not using this argument at all because it's bogus. Nitpick all you want and ignore the AA status in the review. Keep pointing the review saying says the control feel tack on and call me a fanboy for using the same review to point out the AA status.

In fact, you say that all the games I mentioned are good games, and yet you come to the conclusion that the Wii needs good games? Funny how you can use two opposing arguments as if they don't contradict each other and then try to argue against me with both of them. I guess if you want to win an argument, use all the arguments even if they contradict each other.

Right, your opinion doesn't make a Bruce Lee game on the Xbox AAA. But also, your opinion doesn't mean Super Paper Mario isn't AA and RE4 isn't AAA, games that are actually GOOD for the Wii.

Ninja-Vox

You're completely missing the point. What are the best games on the Wii right now?

Zelda, Paper Mario, Wii Sports and RE4. Two of those are gamecube games released on the Wii. Last gen games in a new box. One is a port of a game released on three platforms before the Wii.

This is where you're a fanboy; you simply quote "but the AA!" as if that automatically makes this a must-have game. It doesn't.

All the Wii has right now are those games. If you're honestly going to quote RE4, Zelda and Paper Mario and then say "see! it has loads of great games" then we should just end this dicussion here as you're living in a bubble. Sure, they're good games, but they're last-gen games. And there are three of them. Four at a stretch. The Wii needs more good games. Simple as that.

Just like DOA4 on the 360; sure, it was a good game. But i ended up trading it in because it smacked of xbox. I'd just bought a 360 and wanted a game to show that.

Stop being such a fanboy and accept the simple truth.

So basically your argument is that since they were ports, people shouldn't enjoy them? I see. That is a solid point. I guess people shouldn't enjoy games from last gen anymore, even if the PS2 is outselling both the 360 and PS3. :roll: Who made that rule up? You? Seriously, some of you think that if since it's a port it automatically disqualifies it as a game that counts. Now THAT is more fanboyish. A game is a game is a game.

And honestly, that's not all the Wii has. SSX Blur and Sonic are a couple of good games that I've enjoyed. Warioware is great. Mario Party 8 is a lot of fun. Now you're going to nitpick these other games in some other ways. I can't wait. :roll:

Finally, people who have DIFFERENT opinions from you doesn't make them automatically a fanboy. Keep crying that line.

[QUOTE="CJL13"]Some of the games listed are already out and are good. We don't know jack about future Wii games other than Nintendo games and a few third party games, and so far there's only one third party future Wii game that people seem to like. Meanwhile the games listed are listed because some of the games have been played by the media and they liked them, we don't know about the others, but I would trust that list more than a whole bunch of Wii games we know nothing about.Zhengi

So if we don't know anything about future Wii games, how can you conclude that they will all be bad? This is why I said we should wait till E3. But you cannot deny that more 3rd party support is going to the Wii. If people think that 3rd parties won't bring some of their big franchises, then that is just a silly notion. As long as the Wii can increase their userbase to be the biggest, 3rd party devs would be dumb not to bring their big games over for the potential sales. But of course, this is also speculation. We'll find out more info and it wouldn't surprise me if the Wii starts getting some big titles.

Most of the big franchise games are coming out for the 360 and PS3. They may go the Soul Calibur route and make 2 versions, but the Wii can't handle Soul Calibur IV because of its power. There's always the possiblity of new franchises showing up on the Wii, but we'll have to wait till E3 to see. And just because there's a lot of games doesn't mean they'll be good.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

I love all this sad damage control from people who can't come to terms with the Wii's success. The 360 and the PS3 are only selling a fraction of what the Wii is so I can see why 360 and PS3 fanboys would be feeling so defensive.... especially with all this talk of developers swtiching loyalties to the Wii. Sales most definatley do matter... stop deluding yourselves.

New gen has pwn3ed next gen.

OhSnapitz

So basically you'd enjoy Mini-Games galore plus 20+ year old franchises with a "wiggle" control element than Mass Effect or Bioshock, or Halo or Heavenly Sword or Lair ect... ok different strokes I guess.. :?

name all the minigames galore

So basically your argument is that since they were ports, people shouldn't enjoy them? I see. That is a solid point. I guess people shouldn't enjoy games from last gen anymore, even if the PS2 is outselling both the 360 and PS3. :roll: Who made that rule up? You? Seriously, some of you think that if since it's a port it automatically disqualifies it as a game that counts. Now THAT is more fanboyish. A game is a game is a game.

And honestly, that's not all the Wii has. SSX Blur and Sonic are a couple of good games that I've enjoyed. Warioware is great. Mario Party 8 is a lot of fun. Now you're going to nitpick these other games in some other ways. I can't wait. :roll:

Finally, people who have DIFFERENT opinions from you doesn't make them automatically a fanboy. Keep crying that line.

Zhengi

:| How did you reach that conclusion? Just how? Honestly, all i can draw from this is that you are a fanboy. There is little point me conversing with you any further because you refuse to accept anything. I never said that it was a port and therfore it was a bad game; i said the Wii has very few good games, and of the few that it has, MOST ARE PORTS. That doesn't make them bad, it just makes them old-hat. Why am i playing a gamecube game on a Wii? Is that too much for you, really? Can criticism of nintendo not go that far?

Listen to this guy, he even spelled out my point for your because you have a habit of missing it spectacularly with every reply:

He's saying while the games are good, we've seen them all before. All the games listed but SPM were GC games, and SPM was originally a GC games. While Kameo could've been on past systems, the 360 and PS3 have plenty of games made FOR those systems that use their power to the point where they couldn't be played on the Xbox/PS2. So far the Wii has merely taken games from past systems and put them on the Wii. I'm not saying this won't change in the future, but I didn't buy a Wii to play GC and DS games, I bought it for Wii games.

CJL13

And like me, he's a wii owner. Is he an evil nintendo-hater too?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

And once more, I quote you "THE WII NEEDS GOOD GAMES" when you say that "Mario is a good game". You're just nitpicking right now by saying it feels like a GC game. You know what, Kameo feels like an Xbox game. Its controls and everything can be done on an Xbox with downgraded graphics. The gameplay is EXACTLY the same since it's on the standard controller. But you know what? I'm not using this argument at all because it's bogus. Nitpick all you want and ignore the AA status in the review. Keep pointing the review saying says the control feel tack on and call me a fanboy for using the same review to point out the AA status.

In fact, you say that all the games I mentioned are good games, and yet you come to the conclusion that the Wii needs good games? Funny how you can use two opposing arguments as if they don't contradict each other and then try to argue against me with both of them. I guess if you want to win an argument, use all the arguments even if they contradict each other.

Right, your opinion doesn't make a Bruce Lee game on the Xbox AAA. But also, your opinion doesn't mean Super Paper Mario isn't AA and RE4 isn't AAA, games that are actually GOOD for the Wii.

Zhengi

You're completely missing the point. What are the best games on the Wii right now?

Zelda, Paper Mario, Wii Sports and RE4. Two of those are gamecube games released on the Wii. Last gen games in a new box. One is a port of a game released on three platforms before the Wii.

This is where you're a fanboy; you simply quote "but the AA!" as if that automatically makes this a must-have game. It doesn't.

All the Wii has right now are those games. If you're honestly going to quote RE4, Zelda and Paper Mario and then say "see! it has loads of great games" then we should just end this dicussion here as you're living in a bubble. Sure, they're good games, but they're last-gen games. And there are three of them. Four at a stretch. The Wii needs more good games. Simple as that.

Just like DOA4 on the 360; sure, it was a good game. But i ended up trading it in because it smacked of xbox. I'd just bought a 360 and wanted a game to show that.

Stop being such a fanboy and accept the simple truth.

So basically your argument is that since they were ports, people shouldn't enjoy them? I see. That is a solid point. I guess people shouldn't enjoy games from last gen anymore, even if the PS2 is outselling both the 360 and PS3. :roll: Who made that rule up? You? Seriously, some of you think that if since it's a port it automatically disqualifies it as a game that counts. Now THAT is more fanboyish. A game is a game is a game.

And honestly, that's not all the Wii has. SSX Blur and Sonic are a couple of good games that I've enjoyed. Warioware is great. Mario Party 8 is a lot of fun. Now you're going to nitpick these other games in some other ways. I can't wait. :roll:

Finally, people who have DIFFERENT opinions from you doesn't make them automatically a fanboy. Keep crying that line.

Would you buy a game that you've already played before and/or the most expensive version of a game, or the cheap version that's the exact game minus Wii controls?

I played Sonic, didn't like it. Warioware bores me, and it's basically a Wii version of what we saw on the GC/GBA/DS. MP8 is only fun with friends, and even then the luck in that game is completely unfair at times. All consoles have problems. The Wii just happens to have the most. We're not singling out the Wii because we're fanboys.

He's saying while the games are good, we've seen them all before. All the games listed but SPM were GC games, and SPM was originally a GC games. While Kameo could've been on past systems, the 360 and PS3 have plenty of games made FOR those systems that use their power to the point where they couldn't be played on the Xbox/PS2. So far the Wii has merely taken games from past systems and put them on the Wii. I'm not saying this won't change in the future, but I didn't buy a Wii to play GC and DS games, I bought it for Wii games.

CJL13

So you're saying we've seen Zelda: TP before? I could have sworn that game came out for the Wii first. The only game from those listed that you've seen before was RE4 which was released before the Wii version. Zelda and SPM were on the Wii. I can't understand how you would have seen the GC version of Zelda first when the Wii version was released.

And if I'm not mistaken, haven't those games been using the main selling point of the Wii? The controls? And seriously, I've played games for the 360/PS3. They're just the same PS2/Xbox games with shinier graphics. And the point I've been reiterating again and again, my opinion of Wii games is that they've been great even if they are ports. What makes his opinion >>> than mine?

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

So basically your argument is that since they were ports, people shouldn't enjoy them? I see. That is a solid point. I guess people shouldn't enjoy games from last gen anymore, even if the PS2 is outselling both the 360 and PS3. :roll: Who made that rule up? You? Seriously, some of you think that if since it's a port it automatically disqualifies it as a game that counts. Now THAT is more fanboyish. A game is a game is a game.

And honestly, that's not all the Wii has. SSX Blur and Sonic are a couple of good games that I've enjoyed. Warioware is great. Mario Party 8 is a lot of fun. Now you're going to nitpick these other games in some other ways. I can't wait. :roll:

Finally, people who have DIFFERENT opinions from you doesn't make them automatically a fanboy. Keep crying that line.

Ninja-Vox

:| How did you reach that conclusion? Just how? Honestly, all i can draw from this is that you are a fanboy. There is little point me conversing with you any further because you refuse to accept anything. I never said that it was a port and therfore it was a bad game; i said the Wii has very few good games, and of the few that it has, MOST ARE PORTS. That doesn't make them bad, it just makes them old-hat. Why am i playing a gamecube game on a Wii? Is that too much for you, really? Can criticism of nintendo not go that far?

Listen to this guy, he even spelled out my point for your because you have a habit of missing it spectacularly with every reply:

He's saying while the games are good, we've seen them all before. All the games listed but SPM were GC games, and SPM was originally a GC games. While Kameo could've been on past systems, the 360 and PS3 have plenty of games made FOR those systems that use their power to the point where they couldn't be played on the Xbox/PS2. So far the Wii has merely taken games from past systems and put them on the Wii. I'm not saying this won't change in the future, but I didn't buy a Wii to play GC and DS games, I bought it for Wii games.

CJL13

And like me, he's a wii owner. Is he an evil nintendo-hater too?

I came to this conclusion because this has been the way the argument unfolded:

1. The Wii is in a drought

2. No, it has games like Zelda, SPM, and RE4

3. Those games are ports

4. They're good games that scored AA and AAA

5. They're good games, but they're ports. The Wii needs good games.

So basically, your "but" is basically a backhand way of complimenting the game and diminishing it at the same time to make your argument that the Wii has no good games. There you go. That's why I've come to the conclusion that you think ports are bad.

So you're saying we've seen Zelda: TP before? I could have sworn that game came out for the Wii first. The only game from those listed that you've seen before was RE4 which was released before the Wii version. Zelda and SPM were on the Wii. I can't understand how you would have seen the GC version of Zelda first when the Wii version was released.

And if I'm not mistaken, haven't those games been using the main selling point of the Wii? The controls? And seriously, I've played games for the 360/PS3. They're just the same PS2/Xbox games with shinier graphics. And the point I've been reiterating again and again, my opinion of Wii games is that they've been great even if they are ports. What makes his opinion >>> than mine?

Zhengi

We have seen Zelda before; and AGAIN you miss the point. Forget release dates; we've seen it before because it's just a gamecube game in a wii box. And you say controls? What controls? Last i checked Zelda's Wii controls were tacked-on. Same with Paper Mario. "dont press A to open the door - shake the wiimote!"

What the Wii needs is a Wii game. A game built for the Wii, which uses the controller in a unique way rather than just as an alternative, that is actually good. No such game exists right now. This isn't my opinion >>> yours as you love to whine about; this is the general consensus amongst many people (who aren't fanboys).

[QUOTE="CJL13"]He's saying while the games are good, we've seen them all before. All the games listed but SPM were GC games, and SPM was originally a GC games. While Kameo could've been on past systems, the 360 and PS3 have plenty of games made FOR those systems that use their power to the point where they couldn't be played on the Xbox/PS2. So far the Wii has merely taken games from past systems and put them on the Wii. I'm not saying this won't change in the future, but I didn't buy a Wii to play GC and DS games, I bought it for Wii games.

Zhengi

So you're saying we've seen Zelda: TP before? I could have sworn that game came out for the Wii first. The only game from those listed that you've seen before was RE4 which was released before the Wii version. Zelda and SPM were on the Wii. I can't understand how you would have seen the GC version of Zelda first when the Wii version was released.

And if I'm not mistaken, haven't those games been using the main selling point of the Wii? The controls? And seriously, I've played games for the 360/PS3. They're just the same PS2/Xbox games with shinier graphics. And the point I've been reiterating again and again, my opinion of Wii games is that they've been great even if they are ports. What makes his opinion >>> than mine?

They just delayed the GC version of Zelda so the Wii version could get more customers from Zelda fans. And just because they use the Wii's controls does not mean they're automatically good. Finally PS3 and 360 games aren't just the same games but prettier. Could you honestly say the physics in Half-Life 2 and the TPS LucasArts is making that feature weapons that move the Earth could be done on the PS2 and Xbox? And it's a fact that the Wii's best games are just the same games that use the Wiimote. How good those games are is entirely up to debate, but I don't want to pay more money for the same game on a console that's supposed to be next-gen.

I came to this conclusion because this has been the way the argument unfolded:

1. The Wii is in a drought

2. No, it has games like Zelda, SPM, and RE4

3. Those games are ports

4. They're good games that scored AA and AAA

5. They're good games, but they're ports. The Wii needs good games.

So basically, your "but" is basically a backhand way of complimenting the game and diminishing it at the same time to make your argument that the Wii has no good games. There you go. That's why I've come to the conclusion that you think ports are bad.

Zhengi

No, they're good games, but they're not Wii games. This is a point which has been drifting around you for about a half hour now, yet you still haven't managed to pick up on it. Even after a second and third person have tried to explain for me.

Would you buy a game that you've already played before and/or the most expensive version of a game, or the cheap version that's the exact game minus Wii controls?

I played Sonic, didn't like it. Warioware bores me, and it's basically a Wii version of what we saw on the GC/GBA/DS. MP8 is only fun with friends, and even then the luck in that game is completely unfair at times. All consoles have problems. The Wii just happens to have the most. We're not singling out the Wii because we're fanboys.

CJL13

I honestly would buy a game again for the Wii controls. One game I'm hoping they bring to the Wii is Okami. That game was made for the Wii controls.

And all of that is opinion. That's why opinions are a dime a dozen, but it doesn't make you a fanboy. I wouldn't call you that just because your opinion differs from mine. And this is why we go to something concrete like sales. You can't deny sales. Honestly, I don't see anything special about the 360 line up. You can list all the games for it, but you know what, in my opinion, those are just not the types of games I enjoy. Subjective vs. concrete. Opinion vs. sales. Sales win out.

I love all this sad damage control from people who can't come to terms with the Wii's success. The 360 and the PS3 are only selling a fraction of what the Wii is so I can see why 360 and PS3 fanboys would be feeling so defensive.... especially with all this talk of developers swiiching loyalties to the Wii. Sales most definatley do matter... stop deluding yourselves.

New gen has pwn3ed next gen.

jedigemini

Just a question what does Wii have over PS3 and 360 besides sales and price?

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]That is an argument you don't want to start my friend PS3 or Wii owner... you'd get OWNED!!!Michael85

Why? Cause you'd select shooter #23432 and say how great it is and all the other MS fanboys will chime in and agree with you? The only thing the 360 has impressed me with is how many ways it breaks down due to shoddy hardware. Disk errors, disk scratching, freezing up, crashes, update bricking, etc. This is without mentioning the red lights of death.

Name me a wii racer that scored higher than Forza 2 (or PGR 3 for that matter)...

Name me an wii RPG that scored higher than Oblivion..

Name me a wii Platformer that scored higher than Kameo..

Name me a wii fighter that scored higher than DOA4..

Name me a wii RTS that scored higher than C&C 3:TW

I won't even get into shooters because you already know the answer...

I doubt you'll be able to ask the same questions before the end of this generation, but hey, i'm not a cow. "Just wait" ain't my slogan.

man, if you want logic answers, dont even bother posting here. just sit back and enjoy the meltdown of the HD era

this is like a club of retired / jaded retro gamers that just dont like change.

most are in denial, and post things like " but whait for MGS4" " but whait for mass effect" " but whair for this" people dont like to wait, and guess what? they dont like regular gamepads,button smashers and shooters- the fact that the wii has won this generation seems irrelevant tho them. their just jocked and in denial thats all

man, if you want logic answers, dont even bother posting here. just sit back and enjoy the meltdown of the HD era

this is like a club of retired / jaded retro gamers that just dont like change.

most are in denial, and post things like " but whait for MGS4" " but whait for mass effect" " but whair for this" people dont like to wait, and guess what? they dont like regular gamepads,button smashers and shooters- the fact that the wii has won this generation seems irrelevant tho them. their just jocked and in denial thats all

machitocaliente

I do agree with some of your points... Damage control is at its finest, even on this thread. With people who couldn't give a dam about it and yet they find the interest to write a large ammount of text about the subject.

In any case, while the damage control is nothing new around these parts... I could say the same about your threads. You have made your point countless times, to the point where it gets tiresome. Perhaps even more then some of the haters around here.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

So you're saying we've seen Zelda: TP before? I could have sworn that game came out for the Wii first. The only game from those listed that you've seen before was RE4 which was released before the Wii version. Zelda and SPM were on the Wii. I can't understand how you would have seen the GC version of Zelda first when the Wii version was released.

And if I'm not mistaken, haven't those games been using the main selling point of the Wii? The controls? And seriously, I've played games for the 360/PS3. They're just the same PS2/Xbox games with shinier graphics. And the point I've been reiterating again and again, my opinion of Wii games is that they've been great even if they are ports. What makes his opinion >>> than mine?

Ninja-Vox

We have seen Zelda before; and AGAIN you miss the point. Forget release dates; we've seen it before because it's just a gamecube game in a wii box. And you say controls? What controls? Last i checked Zelda's Wii controls were tacked-on. Same with Paper Mario. "dont press A to open the door - shake the wiimote!"

What the Wii needs is a Wii game. A game built for the Wii, which uses the controller in a unique way rather than just as an alternative, that is actually good. No such game exists right now. This isn't my opinion >>> yours as you love to whine about; this is the general consensus amongst many people (who aren't fanboys).

We have seen Halo before. We have seen MGS before. We have seen FF before. Darn, let's bash those games for being the same. Last time I checked, I couldn't swing my GC controller in Zelda after climbing the back of a boss to swing my sword downward. Damn, tacked on or not (opinion), it must be the same gameplay experience cause I can swing that standard controller to do the same thing!

The Wii does have those types of games. SSX Blur, Sonic, Excite Truck, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball, Trauma Center, etc. No such game exists? :lol: General consensus = opinion. Plus, this isn't the general consensus of ALL Wii owners like you're trying to make it, unless of course, since I pointed it out, you personally talked to all 8 million owners.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

I came to this conclusion because this has been the way the argument unfolded:

1. The Wii is in a drought

2. No, it has games like Zelda, SPM, and RE4

3. Those games are ports

4. They're good games that scored AA and AAA

5. They're good games, but they're ports. The Wii needs good games.

So basically, your "but" is basically a backhand way of complimenting the game and diminishing it at the same time to make your argument that the Wii has no good games. There you go. That's why I've come to the conclusion that you think ports are bad.

Ninja-Vox

No, they're good games, but they're not Wii games. This is a point which has been drifting around you for about a half hour now, yet you still haven't managed to pick up on it. Even after a second and third person have tried to explain for me.

I must have missed the memo where these games don't run on the Wii. Wow, they must be PS3 or 360 games if they're not Wii games. :roll: What you're not understanding is my point. My point is that it DOESN'T matter if they are ports. They're still good games for the Wii. Therefore, just because they weren't originally on the Wii, doesn't mean that they don't exist and that they in no way don't cover for the drought. That is the point that has been drifting around you for the past half hour. And you say I'm stubborn? :lol: Nah, I just like to argue. :)

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

So you're saying we've seen Zelda: TP before? I could have sworn that game came out for the Wii first. The only game from those listed that you've seen before was RE4 which was released before the Wii version. Zelda and SPM were on the Wii. I can't understand how you would have seen the GC version of Zelda first when the Wii version was released.

And if I'm not mistaken, haven't those games been using the main selling point of the Wii? The controls? And seriously, I've played games for the 360/PS3. They're just the same PS2/Xbox games with shinier graphics. And the point I've been reiterating again and again, my opinion of Wii games is that they've been great even if they are ports. What makes his opinion >>> than mine?

Zhengi

We have seen Zelda before; and AGAIN you miss the point. Forget release dates; we've seen it before because it's just a gamecube game in a wii box. And you say controls? What controls? Last i checked Zelda's Wii controls were tacked-on. Same with Paper Mario. "dont press A to open the door - shake the wiimote!"

What the Wii needs is a Wii game. A game built for the Wii, which uses the controller in a unique way rather than just as an alternative, that is actually good. No such game exists right now. This isn't my opinion >>> yours as you love to whine about; this is the general consensus amongst many people (who aren't fanboys).

We have seen Halo before. We have seen MGS before. We have seen FF before. Darn, let's bash those games for being the same. Last time I checked, I couldn't swing my GC controller in Zelda after climbing the back of a boss to swing my sword downward. Damn, tacked on or not (opinion), it must be the same gameplay experience cause I can swing that standard controller to do the same thing!

The Wii does have those types of games. SSX Blur, Sonic, Excite Truck, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball, Trauma Center, etc. No such game exists? :lol: General consensus = opinion. Plus, is this isn't the general consensus of ALL Wii owners like you're trying to make it, unless of course, since I pointed it out, you personally talked to all 8 million owners.

Last time I checked Halo 3 isn't Halo 2 with prettier graphics. Last time I checked MGS4 isn't MGS3 with prettier graphics. Last time I checked FFXIII isn't FFXII with prettier graphics. Last time I checked Zelda for the Wii is the GC version of Zelda with Wii controls. Last time I checked RE4 is just the PS2 version of RE4 with prettier graphics and Wii controls.

Though your opinion is up to you, I personally didn't like Sonic, and while Trauma Center was good, it was short, and minus some levels, it was basically the same game we saw on the DS. And gamers who aren't new to gaming or love everything Nintendo will agree with me.

We have seen Halo before. We have seen MGS before. We have seen FF before. Darn, let's bash those games for being the same. Last time I checked, I couldn't swing my GC controller in Zelda after climbing the back of a boss to swing my sword downward. Damn, tacked on or not (opinion), it must be the same gameplay experience cause I can swing that standard controller to do the same thing!

The Wii does have those types of games. SSX Blur, Sonic, Excite Truck, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball, Trauma Center, etc. No such game exists? :lol: General consensus = opinion. Plus, is this isn't the general consensus of ALL Wii owners like you're trying to make it, unless of course, since I pointed it out, you personally talked to all 8 million owners.

Zhengi

This is where you become the fanboy. Did i not make a fair point? Did i hate on anything? Did i insult anyone? No. Did i not just say that the Wii really needs a Wii game right now? Not old gamecube games with new controls? You're honestly going to disagree with that just because its a criticism of nintendo?

And you love to throw around this "opinion" stuff as if that cancels out everything. When reviewers across the board say Zelda's Wii controls are tacked on, they're not lying just to annoy you. That means they're tacked on. Shacking a controller rather than pressing a button is not what the wii is for. The controller should be new and innovative and few games are showing that right now.

The Wii needs a WII GAME. A game built from the ground up on the Wii. Right now, it doesn't have any. It's best games are gamecube offerings with wii controls.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

I came to this conclusion because this has been the way the argument unfolded:

1. The Wii is in a drought

2. No, it has games like Zelda, SPM, and RE4

3. Those games are ports

4. They're good games that scored AA and AAA

5. They're good games, but they're ports. The Wii needs good games.

So basically, your "but" is basically a backhand way of complimenting the game and diminishing it at the same time to make your argument that the Wii has no good games. There you go. That's why I've come to the conclusion that you think ports are bad.

Zhengi

No, they're good games, but they're not Wii games. This is a point which has been drifting around you for about a half hour now, yet you still haven't managed to pick up on it. Even after a second and third person have tried to explain for me.

I must have missed the memo where these games don't run on the Wii. Wow, they must be PS3 or 360 games if they're not Wii games. :roll: What you're not understanding is my point. My point is that it DOESN'T matter if they are ports. They're still good games for the Wii. Therefore, just because they weren't originally on the Wii, doesn't mean that they don't exist and that they in no way don't cover for the drought. That is the point that has been drifting around you for the past half hour. And you say I'm stubborn? :lol: Nah, I just like to argue. :)

If I didn't already have Zelda TP for the GC, I would get it for the Wii. If I had RE4 for the GC/PS2/PC, I wouldn't have gotten it for the Wii. If I had Warioware for the GC/GBA/DS, I wouldn't have gotten it for the Wii. The only reason these games sell on the Wii are because of people who love Nintendo or they are new to gaming and only have a Wii. The only game honestly that was on last gen systems and is best on the Wii is RE4. However the Wii doesn't make everything good, plus RE4 was only $30 on the Wii, that's why I got it.

where is the sheep's proof that developers will be flocking to wii with games??

this is the only thing they have to use for damage control..


as you could see with the thread about the 9 new wii games announced..

ALL of them look garbage.
Wii is GARBAGE.

Super Paper Mario, REsident Evil 4, and Zelda, ALLLL WERE ON LAST GEN SYSTEMS.

THE WII IS THE BIGGEST GIMMICK SINCE THE VIRTUAL BOY.springz300

Here's the proof:

Electronic Arts Plays Catch-Up After Shrug-Off of Wii (Update1)

By Michael White

April 9 (Bloomberg) -- Video-game designer Nick Earl spent eight months holed up with his development team rushing to adapt ``The Godfather'' for Nintendo Co.'s Wii.

The reason for the long hours: Earl's employer, Electronic Arts Inc., like some of its competitors, underestimated demand for the Wii, whose motion-activated wand lets players wield a virtual sword, mimic real golf swings or strangle a victim. Instead, game makers put most of their resources into Sony Corp.'s PlayStation 3, which was released two days earlier in November with a more conventional hand controller.

Now, publishers are scrambling to get titles to the 3.56 million U.S. and Japanese Wii owners who have made the machine the top-selling game console this year.

``Those companies are backtracking,'' said Anthony Gikas, an analyst at Piper Jaffray & Co. in Minneapolis. ``They're going to need to get their best-branded product on that platform. That will take a good nine to 12 months.''

A shortage of Wii games contributed to a 25 percent drop in sales in February from a year earlier at Redwood City, California-based Electronic Arts, the world's largest video-game publisher, said Todd Greenwald, an analyst at Nollenberger Capital Partners in San Francisco. Industry sales in February rose 28 percent.

Shares of Electronic Arts have risen 2.3 percent this year, the smallest gain among the three biggest publishers.

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U.S. and Japanese sales of Wii players totaled 1.47 million in January and February, said market researchers NPD Group Inc. and Enterbrain. PlayStation 3 tallied 604,331, while stores sold 584,329 of Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360 consoles. Wii is also leading in Europe, said London-based researcher Screen Digest.

Wii games, all produced by Kyoto, Japan-based Nintendo, took three of the top 10 sales spots in the U.S. in February, said NPD, based in Port Washington, New York. Not a single U.S. publisher had a Wii game in the top 20 in February.

Nintendo's lead will widen, pressuring companies even more. Researcher IDC predicts Nintendo will ship 16.1 million players this year, outpacing Microsoft's 9.87 million Xbox 360s and Sony's 9.1 million PlayStation 3s. Wii game sales will total $2.2 billion, trailing only Xbox 360, said IDC, based in Framingham, Massachusetts.

Electronic Arts wasn't the only publisher slow to see Wii's appeal. New York-based Take-Two Interactive Software Inc., maker of ``Grand Theft Auto'' games, had no Wii titles when the player was released and now plans to have three this year, said spokesman Jim Ankner.

Activision Inc., based in Santa Monica, California, plans to release six Wii games this year, giving the second-largest publisher a total of 11, said spokeswoman Maryanne Lataif.

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Old link, but it was the first sign of 3rd parties shifting resources to make more games for the Wii.