FACE IT... The Wii is not killing gaming.... IT'S JUST KILLING THE PS3 AND 360

Also, your point about MGS and Halo is massively flawed. If it were Halo, clearly made on the xbox, but altered to run on the 360 you'd have a point. Same with MGS. They're not though. They're built from the ground-up to run on the xbox 360/ps3; designed with its advantages in mind. They're an xbox 360 experience.

That's what the Wii lacks. A game which shows you what the Wii is, what it can do and what it will do in the future. Right now, it has gamecube games which run on the Wii. And sure they're good; but i have a gamecube sitting under my bed which makes the Wii purchase a little pointless when all it has to offer are gamecube games; regardless of whether they get a AA score.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

We have seen Halo before. We have seen MGS before. We have seen FF before. Darn, let's bash those games for being the same. Last time I checked, I couldn't swing my GC controller in Zelda after climbing the back of a boss to swing my sword downward. Damn, tacked on or not (opinion), it must be the same gameplay experience cause I can swing that standard controller to do the same thing!

The Wii does have those types of games. SSX Blur, Sonic, Excite Truck, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball, Trauma Center, etc. No such game exists? :lol: General consensus = opinion. Plus, is this isn't the general consensus of ALL Wii owners like you're trying to make it, unless of course, since I pointed it out, you personally talked to all 8 million owners.

Ninja-Vox

This is where you become the fanboy. Did i not make a fair point? Did i hate on anything? Did i insult anyone? No. Did i not just say that the Wii really needs a Wii game right now? Not old gamecube games with new controls? You're honestly going to disagree with that just because its a criticism of nintendo?

And you love to throw around this "opinion" stuff as if that cancels out everything. When reviewers across the board say Zelda's Wii controls are tacked on, they're not lying just to annoy you. That means they're tacked on. Shacking a controller rather than pressing a button is not what the wii is for. The controller should be new and innovative and few games are showing that right now.

The Wii needs a WII GAME. A game built from the ground up on the Wii. Right now, it doesn't have any. It's best games are gamecube offerings with wii controls.

Well, let me ask you this. Isn't it YOUR opinion that ports aren't good for the Wii? If they are good, then what's the big problem? Isn't it YOUR opinion that the Wii needs good games? So once more, how come you can use what reviewers say about tacked on controls and I can't use the AA or AAA status that reviewers use? Seriously, why not? you're using it for your argument, but somehow I'm a fanboy for using the AA or AAA status that reviewers use?

And the Wii has Wii games, whether or not you accept it. SSX Blur, Sonic, Excite Truck, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball, Warioware, etc. You haven't explained how these AREN'T Wii games. In fact, you haven't explained how a port to a specific system doesn't make it that system's game. Keep throwing the word fanboy around if you think it helps your argument.

Let me sum up what people are saying for the wii fans.They say if the Wii takes over we will not see new gms that push the limit.If Wii was the only console out right now we wouldn't have bioshock,GTa4,mass effect etc... and even if we did it would be downgraded to fit the wii limitation.Which will force people to play mario and those other gms.jujutheking

Can you develop that thought? Quite in fact, has anyone in this thread developed at least a sensible argument to those claims? Because I have to tell you... I just don't see the sense in that notion. Nintendo themselves have gone on record saying that they will follow the HD road later on, only that they will not follow it this gen since it is too early... And who is to say that they are wrong in this issue?

as you could see with the thread about the 9 new wii games announced..

ALL of them look garbage.
Wii is GARBAGE.

springz300

That thread in itself is complete damage control.

People never cared or pointed out the garbage in wich gamers didn't even know of their existence with the PS2... Than why exactly is it that people are doing it now? If that does not scream of damage control using games no one knows about in an argument concerning the Wii, than I don't know what does.

If I didn't already have Zelda TP for the GC, I would get it for the Wii. If I had RE4 for the GC/PS2/PC, I wouldn't have gotten it for the Wii. If I had Warioware for the GC/GBA/DS, I wouldn't have gotten it for the Wii. The only reason these games sell on the Wii are because of people who love Nintendo or they are new to gaming and only have a Wii. The only game honestly that was on last gen systems and is best on the Wii is RE4. However the Wii doesn't make everything good, plus RE4 was only $30 on the Wii, that's why I got it.CJL13

Since I don't have Zelda TP for the GC, I got it for the Wii. Since I don't have RE4 for GC/PS2/PC, I got it for the Wii. Since I didn't have Warioware for the GC/GBA/DS, I got it for the Wii. Your point?

And no, maybe another reason why people like these games is because they didn't get a chance to play them. Wow, what a concept.

Still, this doesn't mean they aren't good games for the Wii that helped lift the drought.

Well, let me ask you this. Isn't it YOUR opinion that ports aren't good for the Wii? If they are good, then what's the big problem? Isn't it YOUR opinion that the Wii needs good games? So once more, how come you can use what reviewers say about tacked on controls and I can't use the AA or AAA status that reviewers use? Seriously, why not? you're using it for your argument, but somehow I'm a fanboy for using the AA or AAA status that reviewers use?

And the Wii has Wii games, whether or not you accept it. SSX Blur, Sonic, Excite Truck, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball, Warioware, etc. You haven't explained how these AREN'T Wii games. In fact, you haven't explained how a port to a specific system doesn't make it that system's game. Keep throwing the word fanboy around if you think it helps your argument.

Zhengi

The purpose of this discussion was whether or not the Wii is lacking good games; we've established that the only good games are simply gamecube games in wii boxes. And you like to try and forget that with "yeah... but that's like... your opinion... man"; but its not just mine. Reviewers, and many Wii owners say the same. Me and the other guy who both own Wiis like you do aren't just saying this to annoy you; we're just not fanboys like you are and can openly accept that the Wii is lacking.

As for the other half of the arguement; good games - you just quoted Sonic, Excite Truck and Supermonkey ball as evidence of must-have titles. Wowsers, the Wii is saved. This is what i've been missing out on? Warioware? Didn't i play that on the DS?

It's been said so many times now; the Wii needs a Wii game. Its best games are all gamecube ports; which is great 'n all, but thats what my gamecube is for. I didn't pay for a Wii to play gamecube games. Where are the AAA Wii games? There aren't any.

Simple as that. I dont throw the word fanboy around; you are a fanboy.

Also, your point about MGS and Halo is massively flawed. If it were Halo, clearly made on the xbox, but altered to run on the 360 you'd have a point. Same with MGS. They're not though. They're built from the ground-up to run on the xbox 360/ps3; designed with its advantages in mind. They're an xbox 360 experience.

That's what the Wii lacks. A game which shows you what the Wii is, what it can do and what it will do in the future. Right now, it has gamecube games which run on the Wii. And sure they're good; but i have a gamecube sitting under my bed which makes the Wii purchase a little pointless when all it has to offer are gamecube games; regardless of whether they get a AA score.

Ninja-Vox

Yeah, I shouldn't have used those games of MGS and Halo as examples. Oh well, whatever since it was in the heat of the argument :)

So what about games such as Trauma Center, SSX Blur, Sonic, Excite Truck, Elebits, etc.? Are you trying to start up another myth that the Wii only has GC games?

[QUOTE="CJL13"]If I didn't already have Zelda TP for the GC, I would get it for the Wii. If I had RE4 for the GC/PS2/PC, I wouldn't have gotten it for the Wii. If I had Warioware for the GC/GBA/DS, I wouldn't have gotten it for the Wii. The only reason these games sell on the Wii are because of people who love Nintendo or they are new to gaming and only have a Wii. The only game honestly that was on last gen systems and is best on the Wii is RE4. However the Wii doesn't make everything good, plus RE4 was only $30 on the Wii, that's why I got it.Zhengi

Since I don't have Zelda TP for the GC, I got it for the Wii. Since I don't have RE4 for GC/PS2/PC, I got it for the Wii. Since I didn't have Warioware for the GC/GBA/DS, I got it for the Wii. Your point?

And no, maybe another reason why people like these games is because they didn't get a chance to play them. Wow, what a concept.

Still, this doesn't mean they aren't good games for the Wii that helped lift the drought.

From an actual gamer's perspective; it i a drought, because i played Resident Evil twice already. I played Zelda on the gamecube AND the Wii; that was nearly a year ago though, wasn't it? Isn't it about time we played something else? And his point? Just because you didn't play them doesn't remove the fact that THEY ARE PORTS FROM OTHER PLATFORMS and not Wii game. I bought a Wii to play Wii games, not gamecube games.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

Also, your point about MGS and Halo is massively flawed. If it were Halo, clearly made on the xbox, but altered to run on the 360 you'd have a point. Same with MGS. They're not though. They're built from the ground-up to run on the xbox 360/ps3; designed with its advantages in mind. They're an xbox 360 experience.

That's what the Wii lacks. A game which shows you what the Wii is, what it can do and what it will do in the future. Right now, it has gamecube games which run on the Wii. And sure they're good; but i have a gamecube sitting under my bed which makes the Wii purchase a little pointless when all it has to offer are gamecube games; regardless of whether they get a AA score.

Zhengi

Yeah, I shouldn't have used those games of MGS and Halo as examples. Oh well, whatever since it was in the heat of the argument :)

So what about games such as Trauma Center, SSX Blur, Sonic, Excite Truck, Elebits, etc.? Are you trying to start up another myth that the Wii only has GC games?

The only GOOD games are gamecube games, yes. Zelda and Paper Mario are the two best games on the system; i haven't played RE4 yet cause i played it on both the PS2 and gamecube. All the other games you mentioned are incredibly mediocre. Excite Truck? Come on...

[QUOTE="CJL13"]If I didn't already have Zelda TP for the GC, I would get it for the Wii. If I had RE4 for the GC/PS2/PC, I wouldn't have gotten it for the Wii. If I had Warioware for the GC/GBA/DS, I wouldn't have gotten it for the Wii. The only reason these games sell on the Wii are because of people who love Nintendo or they are new to gaming and only have a Wii. The only game honestly that was on last gen systems and is best on the Wii is RE4. However the Wii doesn't make everything good, plus RE4 was only $30 on the Wii, that's why I got it.Zhengi

Since I don't have Zelda TP for the GC, I got it for the Wii. Since I don't have RE4 for GC/PS2/PC, I got it for the Wii. Since I didn't have Warioware for the GC/GBA/DS, I got it for the Wii. Your point?

And no, maybe another reason why people like these games is because they didn't get a chance to play them. Wow, what a concept.

Still, this doesn't mean they aren't good games for the Wii that helped lift the drought.

You already said with Okami you would get it for the Wii even if you had it for the PS2, so you would have gotten those games for the Wiianyway.

And when did I say people only like games because they didn't play them? I said they only bought them because

A. They didn't already have them.

B. They only have the Wii.

C. They love Nintendo.

I don't like Sonic because I thought the game was boring, not because I played it! If these 3 things weren't true, I can assure you less people would buy these games.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Well, let me ask you this. Isn't it YOUR opinion that ports aren't good for the Wii? If they are good, then what's the big problem? Isn't it YOUR opinion that the Wii needs good games? So once more, how come you can use what reviewers say about tacked on controls and I can't use the AA or AAA status that reviewers use? Seriously, why not? you're using it for your argument, but somehow I'm a fanboy for using the AA or AAA status that reviewers use?

And the Wii has Wii games, whether or not you accept it. SSX Blur, Sonic, Excite Truck, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball, Warioware, etc. You haven't explained how these AREN'T Wii games. In fact, you haven't explained how a port to a specific system doesn't make it that system's game. Keep throwing the word fanboy around if you think it helps your argument.

Ninja-Vox

The purpose of this discussion was whether or not the Wii is lacking good games; we've established that the only good games are simply gamecube games in wii boxes. And you like to try and forget that with "yeah... but that's like... your opinion... man"; but its not just mine. Reviewers, and many Wii owners say the same. Me and the other guy who both own Wiis like you do aren't just saying this to annoy you; we're just not fanboys like you are and can openly accept that the Wii is lacking.

As for the other half of the arguement; good games - you just quoted Sonic, Excite Truck and Supermonkey ball as evidence of must-have titles. Wowsers, the Wii is saved. This is what i've been missing out on? Warioware? Didn't i play that on the DS?

It's been said so many times now; the Wii needs a Wii game. Its best games are all gamecube ports; which is great 'n all, but thats what my gamecube is for. I didn't pay for a Wii to play gamecube games. Where are the AAA Wii games? There aren't any.

Simple as that. I dont throw the word fanboy around; you are a fanboy.

So let me get this straight. Warioware is not a port of any game. But you're using the "Didn't I play that on the DS?" Wow, guess I can go back to Halo, MGS, and FF argument. They're not the same game, but didn't I play those on Xbox and PS2? :roll: Bad point on your part unless you want to argue this some more :lol:

I really like what you did there when I pointed out those Wii games. Dismiss them as if they were nothing and hope that they stick. Heck, one of them was AAA. Warioware. :lol: Now you're just arguing because you don't want to be proven wrong.

And you're missing another point here. You're acting lke just because those are Wii games they play EXACTLY the same way. That's why I argued how swinging my GC controller doesn't give me the same response in Zelda Wii. Pointing my controller at the TV screen doesn't make Leon point his gun in RE4. So no, the GAMEPLAY experience is different between the two. They're not EXACTLY the same.

I think Ninja has a good point.

The Wii isn't meant for last-generation games. It's meant for new games, that do exciting, innovative things. Then why are the best games on the console essentially games with last-generation designs on a new controller? I would hope you didn't get a Wii expecting to play a Gamecube game with different controls.

There are games right now, but the Wii will only prove its worth and innovation when the games that are created with the console specifically in mind (like Wii Sports) come out.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="CJL13"]If I didn't already have Zelda TP for the GC, I would get it for the Wii. If I had RE4 for the GC/PS2/PC, I wouldn't have gotten it for the Wii. If I had Warioware for the GC/GBA/DS, I wouldn't have gotten it for the Wii. The only reason these games sell on the Wii are because of people who love Nintendo or they are new to gaming and only have a Wii. The only game honestly that was on last gen systems and is best on the Wii is RE4. However the Wii doesn't make everything good, plus RE4 was only $30 on the Wii, that's why I got it.CJL13

Since I don't have Zelda TP for the GC, I got it for the Wii. Since I don't have RE4 for GC/PS2/PC, I got it for the Wii. Since I didn't have Warioware for the GC/GBA/DS, I got it for the Wii. Your point?

And no, maybe another reason why people like these games is because they didn't get a chance to play them. Wow, what a concept.

Still, this doesn't mean they aren't good games for the Wii that helped lift the drought.

You already said with Okami you would get it for the Wii even if you had it for the PS2, so you would have gotten those games for the Wiianyway.

And when did I say people only like games because they didn't play them? I said they only bought them because

A. They didn't already have them.

B. They only have the Wii.

C. They love Nintendo.

I don't like Sonic because I thought the game was boring, not because I played it! If these 3 things weren't true, I can assure you less people would buy these games.

Looking back at your original post, you did not have point A. I was merely showing you a third option that you neglected to point out.

And yes, I would have gotten Okami if it came out for the Wii. This doesn't invalidate my other points since I, in fact, don't own any of those games and that's why I got it for the Wii. I didn't get Scarface or Godfather for any of the platforms last gen (although I did play Godfather for PS2), and I got those for the Wii. So I guess I'm just being a little feisty just writing the opposite of what you did in that post :)

I think i understand what you're saying here. You've bought a Wii, and you accept that the best games on it are all Gamecube ports; but you dont mind because they're still good games. I said that there was a drought; and you've practically proved that FOR me by mentioning no other awesome games other than Zelda, Paper Mario and RE4. Three games. And i'd agree; other than those and Wii Sports, there's nothing on the Wii i'd go out and buy. Only i wouldn't buy RE4 or Zelda because i've played them already.

But that's not the point; the point is you will happily buy a wii and pay for games which are clearly gamecube games in wii boxes; so long as they get a decent score. So what you're saying is, you dont mind paying nintendo $250 to play games you could be playing on the gamecube you already own, or could buy for $20. And you question why people call you a fanboy?

The Wii needs good games which can only be done on the Wii. That's what it lacks. There are no AAA must-have games which scream "this is why you bought a Wii." None at all. So far they scream "mediocre" or "this is fun; but why aren't i playing this on my gamecube?"

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

Well, let me ask you this. Isn't it YOUR opinion that ports aren't good for the Wii? If they are good, then what's the big problem? Isn't it YOUR opinion that the Wii needs good games? So once more, how come you can use what reviewers say about tacked on controls and I can't use the AA or AAA status that reviewers use? Seriously, why not? you're using it for your argument, but somehow I'm a fanboy for using the AA or AAA status that reviewers use?

And the Wii has Wii games, whether or not you accept it. SSX Blur, Sonic, Excite Truck, Elebits, Super Monkey Ball, Warioware, etc. You haven't explained how these AREN'T Wii games. In fact, you haven't explained how a port to a specific system doesn't make it that system's game. Keep throwing the word fanboy around if you think it helps your argument.

Zhengi

The purpose of this discussion was whether or not the Wii is lacking good games; we've established that the only good games are simply gamecube games in wii boxes. And you like to try and forget that with "yeah... but that's like... your opinion... man"; but its not just mine. Reviewers, and many Wii owners say the same. Me and the other guy who both own Wiis like you do aren't just saying this to annoy you; we're just not fanboys like you are and can openly accept that the Wii is lacking.

As for the other half of the arguement; good games - you just quoted Sonic, Excite Truck and Supermonkey ball as evidence of must-have titles. Wowsers, the Wii is saved. This is what i've been missing out on? Warioware? Didn't i play that on the DS?

It's been said so many times now; the Wii needs a Wii game. Its best games are all gamecube ports; which is great 'n all, but thats what my gamecube is for. I didn't pay for a Wii to play gamecube games. Where are the AAA Wii games? There aren't any.

Simple as that. I dont throw the word fanboy around; you are a fanboy.

So let me get this straight. Warioware is not a port of any game. But you're using the "Didn't I play that on the DS?" Wow, guess I can go back to Halo, MGS, and FF argument. They're not the same game, but didn't I play those on Xbox and PS2? :roll: Bad point on your part unless you want to argue this some more :lol:

I really like what you did there when I pointed out those Wii games. Dismiss them as if they were nothing and hope that they stick. Heck, one of them was AAA. Warioware. :lol: Now you're just arguing because you don't want to be proven wrong.

And you're missing another point here. You're acting lke just because those are Wii games they play EXACTLY the same way. That's why I argued how swinging my GC controller doesn't give me the same response in Zelda Wii. Pointing my controller at the TV screen doesn't make Leon point his gun in RE4. So no, the GAMEPLAY experience is different between the two. They're not EXACTLY the same.

MGS3 is more different from MGS4 than Warioware for the GC is different than Warioware for the Wii. Does Zelda for the Wii have a different storyline, next gen graphics, better physics, and new features compared to the GC version? No, just Wii controls. Pressing A on the GC version of Zelda and swinging the Wiimote in the Wii version will both result in you swinging the sword. Moving the analog and moving the Wii Remote will both result in Leon moving his gun. The controls in MGS4 and MGS3 may remain the same, but there are several more things that seperate the 2 from each other.

Looking back at your original post, you did not have point A. I was merely showing you a third option that you neglected to point out.

And yes, I would have gotten Okami if it came out for the Wii. This doesn't invalidate my other points since I, in fact, don't own any of those games and that's why I got it for the Wii. I didn't get Scarface or Godfather for any of the platforms last gen (although I did play Godfather for PS2), and I got those for the Wii. So I guess I'm just being a little feisty just writing the opposite of what you did in that post :)

Zhengi

That's why i call you a fanboy. Even when people make completely reasonable points you just reply with the opposite, frequently with :roll: smileys and arrogant remarks as if you're talking to somebody who is brain dead because god forbid, they criticise nintendo.

From a Wii owner.....Thus far the Wii games are major disappointments.Uptown

You can sell all the consoles in the world but if you don't have great games to go along with it, it will only sell that way for so long.

I think i understand what you're saying here. You've bought a Wii, and you accept that the best games on it are all Gamecube ports; but you dont mind because they're still good games. I said that there was a drought; and you've practically proved that FOR me by mentioning no other awesome games other than Zelda, Paper Mario and RE4. Three games. And i'd agree; other than those and Wii Sports, there's nothing on the Wii i'd go out and buy. Only i wouldn't buy RE4 or Zelda because i've played them already.

But that's not the point; the point is you will happily buy a wii and pay for games which are clearly gamecube games in wii boxes; so long as they get a decent score. So what you're saying is, you dont mind paying nintendo $250 to play games you could be playing on the gamecube you already own, or could buy for $20. And you question why people call you a fanboy?

The Wii needs good games which can only be done on the Wii. That's what it lacks. There are no AAA must-have games which scream "this is why you bought a Wii." None at all. So far they scream "mediocre" or "this is fun; but why aren't i playing this on my gamecube?"

Ninja-Vox

Nope, not just three games. I bought them for those OTHER Wii games that you've been screaming about. Rayman, Super Monkey Ball, Trauma Center, SSX Blur, Sonic, Mario Party 8, Warioware, etc. Just because you want to ignore them or think they're not good doesn't mean that others haven't had fun with them. Unless of course, you're convienently going back to the scores that reviewers gave them.

I've said this before, my opinion is I find these games fun. That is why you can't say your opinion of games is better than mine.

The Wii does have GC ports, but it doesn't mean I haven't enjoyed them along with the other Wii games that have come out. That is why to me, there has been no drought since I've been playing with my Wii almost everyday. It's not about spending $250 for a console to play last gen games (nice way to try to minimize my argument there ;) ), but about appreciating games that I have really enjoyed and had fun. I don't care what the consensus or whatever BS reasoning you're trying to throw out there. I've been truly having fun and that is most important to me.

So I guess in the end it's been just a way for me to pass the time arguing more than trying to make a point :) And I don't question why people call me fanboy. I just take it as people who can't really argue as throwing it out there to minimize the other person's argument. Sort of like a strawman argument.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

I think i understand what you're saying here. You've bought a Wii, and you accept that the best games on it are all Gamecube ports; but you dont mind because they're still good games. I said that there was a drought; and you've practically proved that FOR me by mentioning no other awesome games other than Zelda, Paper Mario and RE4. Three games. And i'd agree; other than those and Wii Sports, there's nothing on the Wii i'd go out and buy. Only i wouldn't buy RE4 or Zelda because i've played them already.

But that's not the point; the point is you will happily buy a wii and pay for games which are clearly gamecube games in wii boxes; so long as they get a decent score. So what you're saying is, you dont mind paying nintendo $250 to play games you could be playing on the gamecube you already own, or could buy for $20. And you question why people call you a fanboy?

The Wii needs good games which can only be done on the Wii. That's what it lacks. There are no AAA must-have games which scream "this is why you bought a Wii." None at all. So far they scream "mediocre" or "this is fun; but why aren't i playing this on my gamecube?"

Zhengi

Nope, not just three games. I bought them for those OTHER Wii games that you've been screaming about. Rayman, Super Monkey Ball, Trauma Center, SSX Blur, Sonic, Mario Party 8, Warioware, etc. Just because you want to ignore them or think they're not good doesn't mean that others haven't had fun with them. Unless of course, you're convienently going back to the scores that reviewers gave them.

I've said this before, my opinion is I find these games fun. That is why you can't say your opinion of games is better than mine.

That's where you ultimately fail; all of those games aren't so hot. You even named Excite Truck as if that somehow disproves my point that the Wii is lacking good games; that game is absolutely awful. You cant just throw "but in my opinion it isn't..." because EVERY SINGLE REVIEW disagrees.

I dont care about your opinion. Excite Truck sucks. And all the other games you mentioned; while some dont suck, none of them are particularly awesome. I can do exactly what you do and just name every single xbox 360 game, followed by "in my opinion these games rule." WOW! All of a sudden the xbox 360 is the best system of all time! Thank god for opinions!

What an awful, awful arguement. Look what you've resorted to.

MGS3 is more different from MGS4 than Warioware for the GC is different than Warioware for the Wii. Does Zelda for the Wii have a different storyline, next gen graphics, better physics, and new features compared to the GC version? No, just Wii controls. Pressing A on the GC version of Zelda and swinging the Wiimote in the Wii version will both result in you swinging the sword. Moving the analog and moving the Wii Remote will both result in Leon moving his gun. The controls in MGS4 and MGS3 may remain the same, but there are several more things that seperate the 2 from each other.CJL13

By that argument, how is MGS 4 much more different from MGS 3? Snake sneakss around, tranquilizes the enemy, and humps... err... hides them. It has the same game mechanics except for tweaks. So how can you seriously argue that Warioware Wii is the same as Warioware GC?

And yes, the result at the end is the same for Zelda in terms of controls, BUT, and this is the main reason the Wii is selling, the controls feel different and more engaging, therefore, the gameplay experience is different. If a game with shinier graphics can make the gameplay experience better, then how come controls can't do the same? I don't understand this logic. Halo 3 would be the same as Halo 2 except for the story and graphics. It's not much more different in the same way Warioware Wii isn't different from Warioware GC.

[QUOTE="CJL13"]MGS3 is more different from MGS4 than Warioware for the GC is different than Warioware for the Wii. Does Zelda for the Wii have a different storyline, next gen graphics, better physics, and new features compared to the GC version? No, just Wii controls. Pressing A on the GC version of Zelda and swinging the Wiimote in the Wii version will both result in you swinging the sword. Moving the analog and moving the Wii Remote will both result in Leon moving his gun. The controls in MGS4 and MGS3 may remain the same, but there are several more things that seperate the 2 from each other.Zhengi

By that argument, how is MGS 4 much more different from MGS 3? Snake sneakss around, tranquilizes the enemy, and humps... err... hides them. It has the same game mechanics except for tweaks. So how can you seriously argue that Warioware Wii is the same as Warioware GC?

And yes, the result at the end is the same for Zelda in terms of controls, BUT, and this is the main reason the Wii is selling, the controls feel different and more engaging, therefore, the gameplay experience is different. If a game with shinier graphics can make the gameplay experience better, then how come controls can't do the same? I don't understand this logic. Halo 3 would be the same as Halo 2 except for the story and graphics. It's not much more different in the same way Warioware Wii isn't different from Warioware GC.

MGS4 is built from the ground up for the PS3. Warioware is a DS game altered to run on the Wii. Super Paper Mario is a gamecube game altered to run on the Wii. While good games; why am i paying $250 to play these things which i could be playing on machines i already own? Where are the games which actually TAKE ADVANTAGE of the Wii? Which are MADE for the Wii? And which are actually good before you come back with "Excite Truck man!"

Also, you cannot just say "i dont care about $250..." - you've payed $250 for a machine, and you're paying for games to play on that machine which are designed to run on the gamecube. You're paying top dollar for last-gen games. If you dont think there's something wrong with that, you may as well grab yourself an application form and start climbing your way up the nintendo careers ladder.Ninja-Vox

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

I love all this sad damage control from people who can't come to terms with the Wii's success. The 360 and the PS3 are only selling a fraction of what the Wii is so I can see why 360 and PS3 fanboys would be feeling so defensive.... especially with all this talk of developers swtiching loyalties to the Wii. Sales most definatley do matter... stop deluding yourselves.

New gen has pwn3ed next gen.

OhSnapitz

So basically you'd enjoy Mini-Games galore plus 20+ year old franchises with a "wiggle" control element than Mass Effect or Bioshock, or Halo or Heavenly Sword or Lair ect... ok different strokes I guess.. :?

I think this question should remain unanswered untill the games you mentioned get released, shouldnt it?

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

I think i understand what you're saying here. You've bought a Wii, and you accept that the best games on it are all Gamecube ports; but you dont mind because they're still good games. I said that there was a drought; and you've practically proved that FOR me by mentioning no other awesome games other than Zelda, Paper Mario and RE4. Three games. And i'd agree; other than those and Wii Sports, there's nothing on the Wii i'd go out and buy. Only i wouldn't buy RE4 or Zelda because i've played them already.

But that's not the point; the point is you will happily buy a wii and pay for games which are clearly gamecube games in wii boxes; so long as they get a decent score. So what you're saying is, you dont mind paying nintendo $250 to play games you could be playing on the gamecube you already own, or could buy for $20. And you question why people call you a fanboy?

The Wii needs good games which can only be done on the Wii. That's what it lacks. There are no AAA must-have games which scream "this is why you bought a Wii." None at all. So far they scream "mediocre" or "this is fun; but why aren't i playing this on my gamecube?"

Ninja-Vox

Nope, not just three games. I bought them for those OTHER Wii games that you've been screaming about. Rayman, Super Monkey Ball, Trauma Center, SSX Blur, Sonic, Mario Party 8, Warioware, etc. Just because you want to ignore them or think they're not good doesn't mean that others haven't had fun with them. Unless of course, you're convienently going back to the scores that reviewers gave them.

I've said this before, my opinion is I find these games fun. That is why you can't say your opinion of games is better than mine.

That's where you ultimately fail; all of those games aren't so hot. You even named Excite Truck as if that somehow disproves my point that the Wii is lacking good games; that game is absolutely awful. You cant just throw "but in my opinion it isn't..." because EVERY SINGLE REVIEW disagrees.

I dont care about your opinion. Excite Truck sucks. And all the other games you mentioned; while some dont suck, none of them are particularly awesome. I can do exactly what you do and just name every single xbox 360 game, followed by "in my opinion these games rule." WOW! All of a sudden the xbox 360 is the best system of all time! Thank god for opinions!

What an awful, awful arguement. Look what you've resorted to.

And THAT is why we go with A, AA, and AAA status so that it wouldn't be as subjective.

RE 4 - AAA

Warioware - AAA

Zelda - AA

Mercury Meltdown Revolution - AA

Madden NFL 07 - AA

Super Monkey Ball - AA

Rayman Raving Rabids - AA

Trauma Center - AA

Wii Sports - A

Godfather - A

Sonic - A

Tiger Woods - A

etc...

http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?type=reviews&platform=1031&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc

So where are all those "EVERY SINGLE REVIEW disagrees"? Seriously, you're just generalizing everything and saying it's bad. The truth is probably in the middle of where we rank them. They're not completely awesome, but not completely terrible either.

And thanks, I also don't care about your opinion either :)

Also, you cannot just say "i dont care about $250..." - you've payed $250 for a machine, and you're paying for games to play on that machine which are designed to run on the gamecube. You're paying top dollar for last-gen games. If you dont think there's something wrong with that, you may as well grab yourself an application form and start climbing your way up the nintendo careers ladder.Ninja-Vox

Thanks, if I need a financial adviser, I'll definitely contact you to help sort me out *whispersnotbloodylikelywhispers* :D

funny how last gen sheep were praising the gc for their great games to cover up their horrible sales. now this gen sheep are praising the wii for great sales despite the lack of quality games....link817

It's been 7 months fcol!! What are you going to say at the end of 2007 when MP3: Corruption, BWII, SSBB, RE:UC, Dragon Quest Swords, and Galaxy will be out?

There are some quality games already out with Twilight Princess and Super Paper Mario among others, and more are on the way. Even the 360 took time to get quality games as is the PS3.

MGS4 is built from the ground up for the PS3. Warioware is a DS game altered to run on the Wii. Super Paper Mario is a gamecube game altered to run on the Wii. While good games; why am i paying $250 to play these things which i could be playing on machines i already own? Where are the games which actually TAKE ADVANTAGE of the Wii? Which are MADE for the Wii? And which are actually good before you come back with "Excite Truck man!"Ninja-Vox

:lol: You're hilarious. Keep harping on Excite Truck like THAT was the only game I mentioned :lol:

And you're completely wrong about Warioware. Seriously, you should pick up the DS and Wii versions. They're different games. That way, you wouldn't be looking so bad right now :)

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="CJL13"]MGS3 is more different from MGS4 than Warioware for the GC is different than Warioware for the Wii. Does Zelda for the Wii have a different storyline, next gen graphics, better physics, and new features compared to the GC version? No, just Wii controls. Pressing A on the GC version of Zelda and swinging the Wiimote in the Wii version will both result in you swinging the sword. Moving the analog and moving the Wii Remote will both result in Leon moving his gun. The controls in MGS4 and MGS3 may remain the same, but there are several more things that seperate the 2 from each other.Ninja-Vox

By that argument, how is MGS 4 much more different from MGS 3? Snake sneakss around, tranquilizes the enemy, and humps... err... hides them. It has the same game mechanics except for tweaks. So how can you seriously argue that Warioware Wii is the same as Warioware GC?

And yes, the result at the end is the same for Zelda in terms of controls, BUT, and this is the main reason the Wii is selling, the controls feel different and more engaging, therefore, the gameplay experience is different. If a game with shinier graphics can make the gameplay experience better, then how come controls can't do the same? I don't understand this logic. Halo 3 would be the same as Halo 2 except for the story and graphics. It's not much more different in the same way Warioware Wii isn't different from Warioware GC.

MGS4 is built from the ground up for the PS3. Warioware is a DS game altered to run on the Wii. Super Paper Mario is a gamecube game altered to run on the Wii. While good games; why am i paying $250 to play these things which i could be playing on machines i already own? Where are the games which actually TAKE ADVANTAGE of the Wii? Which are MADE for the Wii? And which are actually good before you come back with "Excite Truck man!"

Metroid 3, Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes, Disaster, there are a TON of games coming out for the Wii. Those were just a few of the first parties.

O and the reviews didn't say Excite truck sucked, only that it was too short.

Wii = fastest selling console of all time.

deal with it.

jedigemini

Bu bu but it sucks!!!

And THAT is why we go with A, AA, and AAA status so that it wouldn't be as subjective.

RE 4 - AAA played on my gamecube, then my ps2. Also out on the PC. But if you haven't played it on ANY of those, ok. Kinda limited audience though, eh?

Warioware - AAA Launch.

Zelda - AA Launch

Mercury Meltdown Revolution - AA fun game

Madden NFL 07 - AA nearly a year old

Super Monkey Ball - AA nearly a year old

Rayman Raving Rabids - AA launch

Trauma Center - AA launch

Wii Sports - A launch

Godfather - A launch

Sonic - A four months old, and 7.6 - hardly a must-have title is it, man?

Tiger Woods - A launch

etc...

http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?type=reviews&platform=1031&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc

So where are all those "EVERY SINGLE REVIEW disagrees"? Seriously, you're just generalizing everything and saying it's bad. The truth is probably in the middle of where we rank them. They're not completely awesome, but not completely terrible either.

And thanks, I also don't care about your opinion either :)

Zhengi

Yeah. You so proved me right by saying there isn't a drought right now. How many games did you list which came out in the past three months? Two? AWESOME!

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="CJL13"]MGS3 is more different from MGS4 than Warioware for the GC is different than Warioware for the Wii. Does Zelda for the Wii have a different storyline, next gen graphics, better physics, and new features compared to the GC version? No, just Wii controls. Pressing A on the GC version of Zelda and swinging the Wiimote in the Wii version will both result in you swinging the sword. Moving the analog and moving the Wii Remote will both result in Leon moving his gun. The controls in MGS4 and MGS3 may remain the same, but there are several more things that seperate the 2 from each other.renger6002

By that argument, how is MGS 4 much more different from MGS 3? Snake sneakss around, tranquilizes the enemy, and humps... err... hides them. It has the same game mechanics except for tweaks. So how can you seriously argue that Warioware Wii is the same as Warioware GC?

And yes, the result at the end is the same for Zelda in terms of controls, BUT, and this is the main reason the Wii is selling, the controls feel different and more engaging, therefore, the gameplay experience is different. If a game with shinier graphics can make the gameplay experience better, then how come controls can't do the same? I don't understand this logic. Halo 3 would be the same as Halo 2 except for the story and graphics. It's not much more different in the same way Warioware Wii isn't different from Warioware GC.

MGS4 is built from the ground up for the PS3. Warioware is a DS game altered to run on the Wii. Super Paper Mario is a gamecube game altered to run on the Wii. While good games; why am i paying $250 to play these things which i could be playing on machines i already own? Where are the games which actually TAKE ADVANTAGE of the Wii? Which are MADE for the Wii? And which are actually good before you come back with "Excite Truck man!"

Metroid 3, Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes, Disaster, there are a TON of games coming out for the Wii. Those were just a few of the first parties.

O and the reviews didn't say Excite truck sucked, only that it was too short.

But where are the third party games that aren't ports?

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

Wii = fastest selling console of all time.

deal with it.

ProductNumber49

Bu bu but it sucks!!!

Metroid 3, Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes, Disaster, there are a TON of games coming out for the Wii. Those were just a few of the first parties.

O and the reviews didn't say Excite truck sucked, only that it was too short.

renger6002

I'm fine with that. I've already said that there are games which will come out for it; my point is that right now it lacks in the games department, but i've got one hardcore fanboy who outright refuses to admit that and thinks its perfectly fine that the three best games are all gamecube games.

Also; 6.8 - it's not a great game, man.

[QUOTE="renger6002"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="CJL13"]MGS3 is more different from MGS4 than Warioware for the GC is different than Warioware for the Wii. Does Zelda for the Wii have a different storyline, next gen graphics, better physics, and new features compared to the GC version? No, just Wii controls. Pressing A on the GC version of Zelda and swinging the Wiimote in the Wii version will both result in you swinging the sword. Moving the analog and moving the Wii Remote will both result in Leon moving his gun. The controls in MGS4 and MGS3 may remain the same, but there are several more things that seperate the 2 from each other.CJL13

By that argument, how is MGS 4 much more different from MGS 3? Snake sneakss around, tranquilizes the enemy, and humps... err... hides them. It has the same game mechanics except for tweaks. So how can you seriously argue that Warioware Wii is the same as Warioware GC?

And yes, the result at the end is the same for Zelda in terms of controls, BUT, and this is the main reason the Wii is selling, the controls feel different and more engaging, therefore, the gameplay experience is different. If a game with shinier graphics can make the gameplay experience better, then how come controls can't do the same? I don't understand this logic. Halo 3 would be the same as Halo 2 except for the story and graphics. It's not much more different in the same way Warioware Wii isn't different from Warioware GC.

MGS4 is built from the ground up for the PS3. Warioware is a DS game altered to run on the Wii. Super Paper Mario is a gamecube game altered to run on the Wii. While good games; why am i paying $250 to play these things which i could be playing on machines i already own? Where are the games which actually TAKE ADVANTAGE of the Wii? Which are MADE for the Wii? And which are actually good before you come back with "Excite Truck man!"

Metroid 3, Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes, Disaster, there are a TON of games coming out for the Wii. Those were just a few of the first parties.

O and the reviews didn't say Excite truck sucked, only that it was too short.

But were are the third party games that aren't ports?

hm... No more Heroes? I duno. I mean everyone must have seen the sudden surge of devs turning their attention to making new Wii games. It was on the side of the Gamespot home page, in the news. Right now the Wii IS basically being supported by first party games, but that is changing.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Also, you cannot just say "i dont care about $250..." - you've payed $250 for a machine, and you're paying for games to play on that machine which are designed to run on the gamecube. You're paying top dollar for last-gen games. If you dont think there's something wrong with that, you may as well grab yourself an application form and start climbing your way up the nintendo careers ladder.Zhengi

Thanks, if I need a financial adviser, I'll definitely contact you to help sort me out *whispersnotbloodylikelywhispers* :D

Translation:

"I have no response to that point; i realise that i'm paying $250 to play gamecube games, but hey, i have to post with the gainsay of whatever you say because i've been doing that for an hour, regardless of any logic".

[QUOTE="renger6002"]

Metroid 3, Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes, Disaster, there are a TON of games coming out for the Wii. Those were just a few of the first parties.

O and the reviews didn't say Excite truck sucked, only that it was too short.

Ninja-Vox

I'm fine with that. I've already said that there are games which will come out for it; my point is that right now it lacks in the games department, but i've got one hardcore fanboy who outright refuses to admit that and thinks its perfectly fine that the three best games are all gamecube games.

Also; 6.8 - it's not a great game, man.

true...

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]MGS4 is built from the ground up for the PS3. Warioware is a DS game altered to run on the Wii. Super Paper Mario is a gamecube game altered to run on the Wii. While good games; why am i paying $250 to play these things which i could be playing on machines i already own? Where are the games which actually TAKE ADVANTAGE of the Wii? Which are MADE for the Wii? And which are actually good before you come back with "Excite Truck man!"Zhengi

:lol: You're hilarious. Keep harping on Excite Truck like THAT was the only game I mentioned :lol:

And you're completely wrong about Warioware. Seriously, you should pick up the DS and Wii versions. They're different games. That way, you wouldn't be looking so bad right now :)

On planet earth, you're the only one looking like a fanboy who doesn't know what he's talking about my friend. Hence the number of people agreeing with me.

:|

Yeah. You so proved me right by saying there isn't a drought right now. How many games did you list which came out in the past three months? Two? AWESOME!Ninja-Vox

Last 3 months starting from April:

Resident Evil 3 - AAA

Super Paper Mario - AA

Mercury Meltdown Revolution - AA

The Bigs - A

The Sims 2 Pets - A

Big Brain Academy - A

Mortal Kombat - A

Prince of Persia - A

http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?type=reviews&platform=1031&mode=all&sort=post_date&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc

This is without all the VC games, of course. Seems enough to get through 3 months. But now, we'll see you start interjecting all those comments and how these games suck. It doesn't matter though cause your opinion doesn't matter :D

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]MGS4 is built from the ground up for the PS3. Warioware is a DS game altered to run on the Wii. Super Paper Mario is a gamecube game altered to run on the Wii. While good games; why am i paying $250 to play these things which i could be playing on machines i already own? Where are the games which actually TAKE ADVANTAGE of the Wii? Which are MADE for the Wii? And which are actually good before you come back with "Excite Truck man!"Ninja-Vox

:lol: You're hilarious. Keep harping on Excite Truck like THAT was the only game I mentioned :lol:

And you're completely wrong about Warioware. Seriously, you should pick up the DS and Wii versions. They're different games. That way, you wouldn't be looking so bad right now :)

On planet earth, you're the only one looking like a fanboy who doesn't know what he's talking about my friend. Hence the number of people agreeing with me.

:|

So where did I post that Excite Truck was the ONLY Wii game? I'd really like to see that on this strange place you call planet earth.

And seriously, pick up Warioware for DS and Wii. Different games, not ports.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Yeah. You so proved me right by saying there isn't a drought right now. How many games did you list which came out in the past three months? Two? AWESOME!Zhengi

Last 3 months starting from April:

Resident Evil 3 - AAA

Super Paper Mario - AA

Mercury Meltdown Revolution - AA

The Bigs - A

The Sims 2 Pets - A

Big Brain Academy - A

Mortal Kombat - A

Prince of Persia - A

http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?type=reviews&platform=1031&mode=all&sort=post_date&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc

This is without all the VC games, of course. Seems enough to get through 3 months. But now, we'll see you start interjecting all those comments and how these games suck. It doesn't matter though cause your opinion doesn't matter :D

They're not good games compadre. :| RE4 is a good game; but a port. That's one, if you haven't played it before. Also, i refuse to believe you've been playing Super Paper Mario for three months.

At the heart of it; you've got RE4. That's the only game worth playing which has come out lately; and we've established whey even that is touchy because it's been on so many platforms already. Coming up with the likes of The Sims Pets as if that's a must-play game is just laughable.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Also, you cannot just say "i dont care about $250..." - you've payed $250 for a machine, and you're paying for games to play on that machine which are designed to run on the gamecube. You're paying top dollar for last-gen games. If you dont think there's something wrong with that, you may as well grab yourself an application form and start climbing your way up the nintendo careers ladder.Ninja-Vox

Thanks, if I need a financial adviser, I'll definitely contact you to help sort me out *whispersnotbloodylikelywhispers* :D

Translation:

"I have no response to that point; i realise that i'm paying $250 to play gamecube games, but hey, i have to post with the gainsay of whatever you say because i've been doing that for an hour, regardless of any logic".

Who says I only play GC games? :lol: Funny cause I don't remember using my GC controllers for RE 4, SPM, or Zelda :) In fact, you were more funny when you were throwing out the fanboy label when you had no point at all.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Yeah. You so proved me right by saying there isn't a drought right now. How many games did you list which came out in the past three months? Two? AWESOME!Zhengi

Last 3 months starting from April:

Resident Evil 3 - AAA port

Super Paper Mario - AA Originally a GC game

Mercury Meltdown Revolution - AA new

The Bigs - A multiplat

The Sims 2 Pets - A new

Big Brain Academy - A DS port

Mortal Kombat - A Last gen port

Prince of Persia - A Last gen port

http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?type=reviews&platform=1031&mode=all&sort=post_date&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc

This is without all the VC games, of course. Seems enough to get through 3 months. But now, we'll see you start interjecting all those comments and how these games suck. It doesn't matter though cause your opinion doesn't matter :D

As for the VC games, if you already have a NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, N64, and/or Turboraphix 16, there's no point in getting the VC games.

So where did I post that Excite Truck was the ONLY Wii game? I'd really like to see that on this strange place you call planet earth.

And seriously, pick up Warioware for DS and Wii. Different games, not ports.

Zhengi

I didn't say it was the only game. I laughed because you posted it in response to me saying there was little worth playing on the Wii. That was what you came up with. Clearly there's not a wealth to play. I mean look at what you're coming up with, games scoring 6's and 7's as evidence of total awesomeness - whatever.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Yeah. You so proved me right by saying there isn't a drought right now. How many games did you list which came out in the past three months? Two? AWESOME!Ninja-Vox

Last 3 months starting from April:

Resident Evil 3 - AAA

Super Paper Mario - AA

Mercury Meltdown Revolution - AA

The Bigs - A

The Sims 2 Pets - A

Big Brain Academy - A

Mortal Kombat - A

Prince of Persia - A

http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?type=reviews&platform=1031&mode=all&sort=post_date&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc

This is without all the VC games, of course. Seems enough to get through 3 months. But now, we'll see you start interjecting all those comments and how these games suck. It doesn't matter though cause your opinion doesn't matter :D

They're not good games compadre. :| RE4 is a good game; but a port. That's one, if you haven't played it before. Also, i refuse to believe you've been playing Super Paper Mario for three months.

At the heart of it; you've got RE4. That's the only game worth playing which has come out lately; and we've established whey even that is touchy because it's been on so many platforms already. Coming up with the likes of The Sims Pets as if that's a must-play game is just laughable.

Why aren't they good games? Remember, opinions don't matter here. It's about the score. You failed. I didn't say they were must play games either. I said they were good games. You're the one trying to say that they're not when the scores have already owned you. Unless of course, you only play AAA games. Then you must have missed out on many good games.

Who says I only play GC games? :lol: Funny cause I don't remember using my GC controllers for RE 4, SPM, or Zelda :) In fact, you were more funny when you were throwing out the fanboy label when you had no point at all.

Zhengi

You lost this long ago my friend. The best reviewed games on the Wii are all gamecube games. That is the simple truth. You keep yelling on about new controls but big deal; i played them on the gamecube. There are no AAA games on the Wii which were made for the Wii. Simple. As. That.

I also love how you're living in some bubble whereby you're somehow winning this arguement.

"No good games!? Dude, the sims pets just came out!"

WOWSERS!