Fez Creator: 3DS is a gigantic gimmick.

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#51 GD1551
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And then Mario and Zelda made it sell bonanzas.Blabadon

No, they didn't. 

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#52 Blabadon
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[QUOTE="Blabadon"]

And then Mario and Zelda made it sell bonanzas.GD1551

No, they didn't. 

You really don't think Super Mario 3D Land, Super Mario Bros. 2, and The Legend of Zelda OoT 3D weren't an absolutely huge part of 3DS sales? Now Animal Crossing can hop onto that boat too.
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]There's some games that take advantage of the 2 screens, and it doesn't seem to be stopping the games from coming over the system, Vita has great hardware and yet it's lacking in the software department. That aside, Phil Fish is a gigantic douche, a hypocrite, and a huge narcissist who no one should listen to, even if he attacks a system you don't like.GD1551

Hello sir, how good are you at dota?

LOL!!! :lol:

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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]There's some games that take advantage of the 2 screens, and it doesn't seem to be stopping the games from coming over the system, Vita has great hardware and yet it's lacking in the software department. That aside, Phil Fish is a gigantic douche, a hypocrite, and a huge narcissist who no one should listen to, even if he attacks a system you don't like.GD1551

Hello sir, how good are you at dota?

Above Average, you can play the game for 2,000 hours and still be considered meh. :P
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#55 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]

And then Mario and Zelda made it sell bonanzas.Blabadon

No, they didn't. 

You really don't think Super Mario 3D Land, Super Mario Bros. 2, and The Legend of Zelda OoT 3D weren't an absolutely huge part of 3DS sales? Now Animal Crossing can hop onto that boat too.

Ugh, no... because sales didn't spike when those games came out.

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#56 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]There's some games that take advantage of the 2 screens, and it doesn't seem to be stopping the games from coming over the system, Vita has great hardware and yet it's lacking in the software department. That aside, Phil Fish is a gigantic douche, a hypocrite, and a huge narcissist who no one should listen to, even if he attacks a system you don't like.tagyhag

Hello sir, how good are you at dota?

Above Average, you can play the game for 2,000 hours and still be considered meh. :P

Do you know who the manliest man is in dota? And do you flame?

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#57 tagyhag
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Do you know who the manliest man is in dota? And do you flame?

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And nah, flaming brings absolutely nothing to the table so no need to do it. People who do it tend to have anger issues irl.

 

 

 

 

 

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#58 krunkfu2
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He should have killed himself instead of releasing fez

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#59 PatchMaster
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[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

 

Awakening is one of the best Fire Emblems. Dark Moon is superior to the original Luigi's Mansion. Try harder.

GD1551

FE has too many balance problems (too easy), a predictable story and the gameplay is the standard affair, not sure how that's one of the best. Dark moon is not superior to the original, who told you that? It got 6.5, yes  seis punto cinco.

 

I see my time is wasted here. Typical SW.

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#60 GD1551
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 [QUOTE="GD1551"]

Do you know who the manliest man is in dota? And do you flame?

tagyhag

And nah, flaming brings absolutely nothing to the table so no need to do it. People who do it tend to have anger issues irl.

lol, well you should teach me dota then because I suck so bad and flame so much.

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#61 Yangire
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He should have killed himself instead of releasing fez

krunkfu2

This thread just took a weird turn.

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#62 Naylord
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I would agree with his assessment. It sucks all the good games are on 3DS because its hardware is garbage and Vita is an amazing piece of hardware. I'll buy a Vita if they make one with built in memory (those overpriced proprietary cards are bs) and allow multiple psn accounts on one.

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#63 Big_Pecks
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Fez Creator types like a hyperactive kid. /not surprised.

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#64 APiranhaAteMyVa
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All good points he makes, the 3D especially is absolute waste of resources, and it is a horrible quality screen. The 3D has a viewing angle of about 5 degrees and in natural sunlight (not direct) the screen doubles up in 3D. 3D is only useful indoors or in dull conditions, really useful considering this is supposed to be portable. The Vita gets the battery wrong, although I guess that is more to do with current batteries and lack of 4G is disappointing for truly anywhere online play, but other than that it's hardware it is well ahead of the 3DS. The design is even well ahead, the d-pad is in a really awkward position on the 3DS, pretty much unusable.
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#65 GD1551
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Fez Creator types like a hyperactive kid. /not surprised.

Big_Pecks

Hmm? What does that have to do with anything he said?

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#66 OreoMilkshake
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Fez is a gimmick.
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#67 Big_Pecks
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[QUOTE="Big_Pecks"]

Fez Creator types like a hyperactive kid. /not surprised.

GD1551

Hmm? What does that have to do with anything he said?



He fits the criteria for a Nintendo hater. 

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#68 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

Not really, the line up is mostly a bunch of low tier japanese games. It's one of the most overblown and overrated line ups for quite sometime.

GD1551

What do you mean low-tier? Almost the entire Japanese game industry has moved to handhelds, you'll get every tier on the 3DS, including the main numbered installments of series (Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter) while the home consoles get the spin-offs.

By low tier I mean games like, bravely default, SMT4, Mirror of Fate, luigi's mansion, fire emblem, super robot taisen, the MH port etc. 

fire emblem is anything but low tier. It's arguably better than any vita game sans Persona 4 golden
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#69 Wickerman777
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Hasn't everything Nintendo has done in the last several years been a gimmick? There's no story here.

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#70 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="Big_Pecks"]

Fez Creator types like a hyperactive kid. /not surprised.

Big_Pecks

Hmm? What does that have to do with anything he said?



He fits the criteria for a Nintendo hater. 

He says the gameboy micro is the best handheld ever, not sure how that sounds like a nintendo hater.

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#71 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Big_Pecks"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Hmm? What does that have to do with anything he said?

GD1551



He fits the criteria for a Nintendo hater. 

He says the gameboy micro is the best handheld ever, not sure how that sounds like a nintendo hater.

Gameboy micro doesn't even play GB/GBC games like the other models. If anything that just proves he doesn't know sh*t about handhelds
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#72 APiranhaAteMyVa
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="Big_Pecks"]

Fez Creator types like a hyperactive kid. /not surprised.

Big_Pecks

Hmm? What does that have to do with anything he said?



He fits the criteria for a Nintendo hater. 

His points aren't that crazy though, it beats the Nintendo defenders. Can people really defend the 3DS shortcomings? one stick, horrible d pad placement, tiny buttons, awful quality screens, poor battery (not terrible, but still disappointing compared to DS), the second screen not being all that important mostly being inventory/map, weak hardware compared to the competition, the gyroscope being useless in 3D mode, online still being behind. From a hardware perspective the 3DS is disappointing, games obviously make up for it (somewhat, not an amazing line up), but considering all his points are based on the hardware only they are all valid.
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#73 KungfuKitten
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I completely disagree with the 2nd screen criticism. I love the addition of a second screen.

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#74 lamprey263
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I can partially agree it's a gimmick, but it's a cool one nonetheless. I enjoy playing games in 3D from time to time, probably play without it a majority of the time, when I don't feel like keeping a steady hand. It still has fun games nonetheless, and lots of great Nintendo published titles. Right now I'm playing Luigi's Mansion and it's great, plus I feel it offers some of the best use of 3D from anything I've played. Many times games use such contrasting depth perceptions between layers it can be an eyesore, but here it's steady and pleasing and I hope other developers can take a clue.
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#76 Shinobishyguy
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also I could just as easily say that the touchpad on the back of the vita is just as much of a gimmick as 3d.
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#77 Capitan_Kid
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I dont think anyone really bought a 3DS for that lame ass 3D. It's got games
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#79 jessejay420
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I don't own a handheld but if I were to get one it would definitely be Vita. I look at what that thing can do and the sales numbers just don't make sense to me.

Wickerman777
are vita sales really that bad? how many Vita's have sold worldwide?
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its too bad the vita isnt a bigger hitPhil Fish

Yes... yes that is too bad. 

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#81 Gxgear
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People get 3DS for the games, not its capabilities.

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#82 Micropixel
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Started playing my first monster hunter game last night. on 3DS. its not exactly playable without that circle pad pro atrocity i dont understand. why would you even release a game like that on a platform like that? why is it not out on lets say vita? you know, the one where you could control the camera. its too bad because MH looks like its basically phantasy star online but not in space. and i love me some PSO. the whole entire thing was a mistake if you ask me.

Also, im so sick of this dual-screen clamshell **** a 2nd screen adds NOTHING. its a gimmick. 3D is a gimmick. its too bad the vita isnt a bigger hit because hardware wise its PERFECT. it has ONE AWESOME SCREEN, and TWO JOYSTICKS. theres never been a single DS or 3DS that didnt make me go i wish this was on a single screen. and ive never played any game ever anywhere where i was like i wish this had a 2nd screen. and absolutely f@$#ing NOBODY ever went i wish this had 2nd screen that is smaller and a different aspect ration and touch but not 3D the gameboy micro was the best handheld ever. i wish nintendo would just make a slightly bigger more powerful GBAM-type thing. GD1551

 

He's right, the 3DS doesn't really brings nothing to the table with the second screen or 3D. The Vita is a much more attractive option hardware wise.

Ah, Phil Fish.

You can't really expect us to take anything he has to say seriously. Phil Fish is an independent designer. He carries no real weight in the industry what so ever. And as some of you have already pointed out, Phil Fish is very immature, both in his words and his actions. So to post something like this and then follow up with your own nod of agreement, well... it just doesn't reflect well on you.

But that's my opinion. No offense.

Speaking of opinions, Phil Fish (although overrated, erratic at times, and acts like he's bi-polar) is entitled to his. Even though his creation Fez, for what it is, is a good little game, but from a technical stand point is no where near the level of what MH3 Ultimate is on the 3DS.

I'll agree with one thing and one thing only from Phil Fish: the 3DS should've had two circle pads installed. Yes Phil, I agree with you there. But everything else he said about the 3DS being a gimmick is just trash talk.

We're entitled to our opinions too. And in my opinion, Phil Fish is an irrate whiney drama queen who's favorite thing these days is mud-slinging. And if you're going to post anything from this man and try to use it as ammunition against a proven juggernaut like the 3DS, expect to be lol'd to pieces.

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He's right about that second stick. MH is a pain to play without it.freedomfreak
Did you try the camera option and targeting system? The game really works really well even without a second stick As for the topic, what does "gimmick" mean?
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#84 APiranhaAteMyVa
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People get 3DS for the games, not its capabilities.

Gxgear
People get it for both, but it is lacking in the latter so Nintendo fans say it is all about the games. Nintendo could put out the Gameboy again without the ability to play original Gameboy games and Nintendo fans would defend it. Their weak hardware is holding back their games, unless people want to play N64/SNEs games forever.
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You would think after so many years since using "the claw" on PSP Monster Hunter games we'd have finally moved away from that.

Nope.

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I don't care what a nobody says. What matters is the game each system is getting and 3DS at the moment has won in that area.
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#87 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

People get 3DS for the games, not its capabilities.

APiranhaAteMyVa
People get it for both, but it is lacking in the latter so Nintendo fans say it is all about the games. Nintendo could put out the Gameboy again without the ability to play original Gameboy games and Nintendo fans would defend it. Their weak hardware is holding back their games, unless people want to play N64/SNEs games forever.

There will always be a weaker hardware in a generation, get over it. Cheaper hardware, cheaper dev costs and then more games
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Lol, Fez.
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#89 APiranhaAteMyVa
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[QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"][QUOTE="Gxgear"]

People get 3DS for the games, not its capabilities.

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People get it for both, but it is lacking in the latter so Nintendo fans say it is all about the games. Nintendo could put out the Gameboy again without the ability to play original Gameboy games and Nintendo fans would defend it. Their weak hardware is holding back their games, unless people want to play N64/SNEs games forever.

There will always be a weaker hardware in a generation, get over it. Cheaper hardware, cheaper dev costs and then more games

There is a difference between weaker hardware such as PS2 and last gen hardware. The former plays games at an advanced level that was well beyond what we saw beforehand allowing for the first time games like GTA3 and Shadow of the Colossus, the latter means we are playing Gamecube games (not just graphically but gameplay wise) for two gens in a row (and now 3 with the 3DS) The Wii may have had more games but they was mostly terrible, the 360/PS3 got far more quality games. The 3DS has one analog stick and only two shoulder buttons so it really is like an N64 controller and limited as such.
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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"] People get it for both, but it is lacking in the latter so Nintendo fans say it is all about the games. Nintendo could put out the Gameboy again without the ability to play original Gameboy games and Nintendo fans would defend it. Their weak hardware is holding back their games, unless people want to play N64/SNEs games forever.APiranhaAteMyVa

There is a difference between weaker hardware such as PS2 and last gen hardware. The former plays games at an advanced level that was well beyond what we saw beforehand allowing for the first time games like GTA3 and Shadow of the Colossus, the latter means we are playing Gamecube games (not just graphically but gameplay wise) for two gens in a row (and now 3 with the 3DS) The Wii may have had more games but they was mostly terrible, the 360/PS3 got far more quality games. The 3DS has one analog stick and only two shoulder buttons so it really is like an N64 controller and limited as such.

Uh, it's a friggin handheld. :|

Last I checked having top of the line specs doesn't mean sh*t. (see every nintendo handheld in existence vs. their competition)

Besides, the 3ds is plenty powerful enough for most genres that the ds couldn't handle.

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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

People get 3DS for the games, not its capabilities.

APiranhaAteMyVa

People get it for both, but it is lacking in the latter so Nintendo fans say it is all about the games. Nintendo could put out the Gameboy again without the ability to play original Gameboy games and Nintendo fans would defend it.Their weak hardware is holding back their games, unless people want to play N64/SNEs games forever.

:lol: No! :|

Nintendo's hardware may be technologically behind, but that is a horrible misconception. I wouldn't even defend that.

And if weak hardware is holding back Nintendo games, why do their new ideas come to pass anyway?

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#92 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"] People get it for both, but it is lacking in the latter so Nintendo fans say it is all about the games. Nintendo could put out the Gameboy again without the ability to play original Gameboy games and Nintendo fans would defend it. Their weak hardware is holding back their games, unless people want to play N64/SNEs games forever.

There will always be a weaker hardware in a generation, get over it. Cheaper hardware, cheaper dev costs and then more games

There is a difference between weaker hardware such as PS2 and last gen hardware. The former plays games at an advanced level that was well beyond what we saw beforehand allowing for the first time games like GTA3 and Shadow of the Colossus, the latter means we are playing Gamecube games (not just graphically but gameplay wise) for two gens in a row (and now 3 with the 3DS) The Wii may have had more games but they was mostly terrible, the 360/PS3 got far more quality games. The 3DS has one analog stick and only two shoulder buttons so it really is like an N64 controller and limited as such.

But the 3DS already does great graphics and has many games. I do not complain about that Having one analogue stick does not hinder that
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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] There will always be a weaker hardware in a generation, get over it. Cheaper hardware, cheaper dev costs and then more games

There is a difference between weaker hardware such as PS2 and last gen hardware. The former plays games at an advanced level that was well beyond what we saw beforehand allowing for the first time games like GTA3 and Shadow of the Colossus, the latter means we are playing Gamecube games (not just graphically but gameplay wise) for two gens in a row (and now 3 with the 3DS) The Wii may have had more games but they was mostly terrible, the 360/PS3 got far more quality games. The 3DS has one analog stick and only two shoulder buttons so it really is like an N64 controller and limited as such.

But the 3DS already does great graphics and has many games. I do not complain about that Having one analogue stick does not hinder that

especially when most of the best games on the 3ds are designed with one stick in mind. (Monster hunter and MGS: Snake eater being exceptions)
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#94 APiranhaAteMyVa
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"] There is a difference between weaker hardware such as PS2 and last gen hardware. The former plays games at an advanced level that was well beyond what we saw beforehand allowing for the first time games like GTA3 and Shadow of the Colossus, the latter means we are playing Gamecube games (not just graphically but gameplay wise) for two gens in a row (and now 3 with the 3DS) The Wii may have had more games but they was mostly terrible, the 360/PS3 got far more quality games. The 3DS has one analog stick and only two shoulder buttons so it really is like an N64 controller and limited as such.

again, it's a f*cking handheld last I checked having top of the line specs isn't important. This has been proven by practically every nintendo handheld ever made.

Handhelds are changing (or need to change), just like every other portable device, we now have tablets and smart phones that can do everything. To keep defending Nintendo for being so outdated because they can make decent games is weak. You could say "it is only..." about everything.
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#95 Kaze_no_Mirai
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Its cool he has his own opinion and may even make some valid points but he sounded like a System Wars troll starting a thread.
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#96 Yangire
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Its cool he has his own opinion and may even make some valid points but he sounded like a System Wars troll starting a thread.Kaze_no_Mirai

Well OP gave no source.

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#97 freedomfreak  Online
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]He's right about that second stick. MH is a pain to play without it.LastRambo341
Did you try the camera option and targeting system? The game really works really well even without a second stick

No. They still should've implemented it from the beginning instead of selling it as an add-on, which is laughable.
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#98 Kaze_no_Mirai
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[QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"]Its cool he has his own opinion and may even make some valid points but he sounded like a System Wars troll starting a thread.Yangire

Well OP gave no source.

I saw it yesterday its from his Twitter account. To be fair, if I recall correctly, he did also mention that Luigi's Mansion looks good in other tweets.
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#99 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"]He's right about that second stick. MH is a pain to play without it.freedomfreak
Did you try the camera option and targeting system? The game really works really well even without a second stick

No. They still should've implemented it from the beginning instead of selling it as an add-on, which is laughable.

Try it and you'll forget about the second stick, it is really not needed
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#100 freedomfreak  Online
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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Did you try the camera option and targeting system? The game really works really well even without a second stick

No. They still should've implemented it from the beginning instead of selling it as an add-on, which is laughable.

Try it and you'll forget about the second stick, it is really not needed

No. I have no interest in the game. It's not the only game that would benefit from a second stick. As soon as camera control comes into play you need a 2nd stick. That's what the 3DS is capable of now, but it doesn't have one.