First hour of Metroid Prime 3 *Spoilers*

[QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="emawk"]

It does'nt look that more hectic than the previous two. Overall, there isn't much of a difference between the two, except the talking, of course, and the fact that Samus isn't alone.

emawk

This is just flat out wrong. You are misremembering the original game's image quality and level of detail to a staggering degree. Go back and actually play Metroid Prime again, Corruption's areas have easily five times the scope and size while also increasing the level of detail, image quality and number of active objects. There's so much more detail in the effects of scripted events that it's not even funny, and then there are a ton of general engine enhancements - improvements in the lighting model, stuff like the missile smoke trails and the enhanced visor reflection/refraction effects, etc. And the textures are far, far better than Prime's muddy and blurry ones. Start up Prime again, stand on the outer deck of the frigate, and look around - it's completely pants next to Corruption's opening. And the difference only becomes more dramatic from that point on.

Claiming that you can't see the difference is pretty much claiming that you have no eye for graphic fidelity.

You seem to be exaggerating the graphics of MP3. I never denied that there were improvements to the games, but for me to look hard in order to notices them says that the game is not a big improvement over the previous two. The stages seem larger and there are more scripted events, but the game still looks old. And how can you say the MP1 has muddy graphics. If anything, you're the one that seems to not remember how that game looked. Here, let me refresh your memory:

http://media.cube.ign.com/media/015/015316/vids_2.html

Sheeps don't liek to admit the small differences. I'll wait for GAMESTRAILERS to do a HD comparison. Because you can BET they will.

Sheeps don't liek to admit the small differences. I'll wait for GAMESTRAILERS to do a HD comparison. Because you can BET they will.

Riviera_Phantom

He's just lieing to himslf.

Sheeps don't liek to admit the small differences. I'll wait for GAMESTRAILERS to do a HD comparison. Because you can BET they will.

Riviera_Phantom

Last time I take you seriously anymore.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I understand the Suits but where does she keep getting all these new ships? Shes got the hook up.

kittykatz5k

So there is no explanation on why she has so many rides?

None at all XD

1st picture= shot down at end of Zero Mission

2nd picture= hit asteroid belt

3rd picture= ??

4th picture= replaced ship that hit asteroid belt

yay

You seem to be exaggerating the graphics of MP3. I never denied that there were improvements to the games, but for me to look hard in order to notices them says that the game is not a big improvement over the previous two. The stages seem larger and there are more scripted events, but the game still looks old. And how can you say the MP1 has muddy graphics? If anything, you're the one that seems to not remember how that game looked. Here, let me refresh your memory:

http://media.cube.ign.com/media/015/015316/vids_2.html

emawk

:|

I can pop in Metroid Prime any time I want to. I've played it today, actually.

Every texture in MP1 is very low resolution. i.e. blurry or muddy. This is cold hard fact.

I just have better judgement of graphical fidelity than you do. Every specific improvement I mentioned is visible in the videos we've seen for MP3 - If you didn't notice them, that's on you.

Enough with BS, you telling me from THAT crappy quality vid you can asess those differences? Stop being blind man. The difference between MP2 and MP3 is minor bar Controls. I've never seen someone talk so much crap. Prime had great graphics, huge environments. MP3 looks better than the previous two games thats a GIVEN but cmon, talk about exaggeration. Riviera_Phantom

Yes, I can tell even from crappy vids, precisely because I'm not blind like some people seem to be.

Prime had great art. The art has not significantly improved, but that's not surprising because it's the same artist working in the same imaginary world.

On a technical level, Prime and Echoes (especially Prime) simply cannot compete. Prime does not have huge environments. They are tiny and cramped compared even to the Echoes rooms. The Corruption rooms are several times bigger than the Echoes rooms. This is with sharper textures, more geometric detail, better lighting and texture effects and easily four times the number of enemies that can be simultaneously active in a room.

The only way it is possible to think that Corruption looks similar to Prime with regards to image quality and tech is to overestimate Prime completely.

[QUOTE="emawk"]

You seem to be exaggerating the graphics of MP3. I never denied that there were improvements to the games, but for me to look hard in order to notices them says that the game is not a big improvement over the previous two. The stages seem larger and there are more scripted events, but the game still looks old. And how can you say the MP1 has muddy graphics? If anything, you're the one that seems to not remember how that game looked. Here, let me refresh your memory:

http://media.cube.ign.com/media/015/015316/vids_2.html

Iyethar

:|

I can pop in Metroid Prime any time I want to. I've played it today, actually.

Every texture in MP1 is very low resolution. i.e. blurry or muddy. This is cold hard fact.

I just have better judgement of graphical fidelity than you do. Every specific improvement I mentioned is visible in the videos we've seen for MP3 - If you didn't notice them, that's on you.

lol, ok believe whatever you want. There is no point of this. We all have our opinions but, quite frankly, I think you're not being honest with yourself.

lol, ok believe whatever you want. There is no point of this. We all have our opinions but, quite frankly, I think you're not being honest with yourself.

emawk

Honestly, I think you're just a poor judge of computer graphics. That's why I can talk in specific detail about the graphical improvements whereas you're forced to resort to making up stories about my thoughts and feelings.

My will is weak

I'm buffering all 3 parts right now to watch, when I KNOW it'll hit harder on my TV.

....................

[QUOTE="emawk"]

lol, ok believe whatever you want. There is no point of this. We all have our opinions but, quite frankly, I think you're not being honest with yourself.

Iyethar

Honestly, I think you're just a poor judge of computer graphics. That's why I can talk in specific detail about the graphical improvements whereas you're forced to resort to making up stories about my thoughts and feelings.

What do you want me to say? That MP3 is significant improvement over the previous two? That would be a big lie on my apart. I looked into these "specific details" that you described, and although they're there, they aren't as significant like you make them seem. Are you sure you and I are looking at the same game here?

My will is weak

I'm buffering all 3 parts right now to watch, when I KNOW it'll hit harder on my TV.

....................

Truth_Seekr

Don't do it.

Watch this spoiler free MP3 gameplay video instead.

http://media.wii.ign.com/articles/745/745202/vid_2090686.html

who gives a damn ffs, there are obvious improvements to the graphics, nothing massive but they are there. Theres no doubt the gameplay will be amazing, it will be a game to own.Ospi

Tell that to Iyethar -- he seeing something we are not seeing.

What do you want me to say? That MP3 is significant improvement over the previous two? That would be a big lie on my apart. I looked into these "specific details" that you described, and although they're there, they aren't as significant like you make them seem. Are sure you and I are looking at the same game here?

emawk

Okay. Let me get this straight. You're agreeing that the specific graphic fidelity and technical improvements I mentioned are all in play, but that Metroid Prime, a 5 year old game that had its technicals outclassed by Echoes and lacks all these niceties, still looks as good as this game?

Like I said, the only way to say that MP3 is not a significant improvement is to grossly overrate the technicals of Echoes and especially Prime.

Tell that Iyethar -- he seeing something we are not seeing.emawk

Damn, I must have gotten under your skin or something. I've listed the specific factual improvements. If I'm seeing something that you're not seeing, it's because I'm more observant than you claim to be.

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

My will is weak

I'm buffering all 3 parts right now to watch, when I KNOW it'll hit harder on my TV.

....................

thriteenthmonke

Don't do it.

Watch this spoiler free MP3 gameplay video instead.

http://media.wii.ign.com/articles/745/745202/vid_2090686.html

DUDE!!! This game is going to be so much the S**T, I don't know how I'm going to contain myself when it is finally in my mailbox on the 27th, and into my Wii!!! There is no greater experience in gaming(IMO of course) as to that of Metroid. Those vids are done bufferig,.....still giving a few moments thought before I actually disregard, or hit play.

Perhaps I should go '4:20' it and think about it. It's only what...........7 days left?

BTW lol Matt looks so zoned out into that game!!! I LOVE IT !!! Metroid Prime FTW !!!!!!

My will is weak

I'm buffering all 3 parts right now to watch, when I KNOW it'll hit harder on my TV.

....................

Truth_Seekr

:lol: systemwars.com :lol:

Anyways, I'm not watching beyond the first part, too much ofa spoiler. Probably already spoiled too much of the aweseom-ness but oh well.

[QUOTE="emawk"]

What do you want me to say? That MP3 is significant improvement over the previous two? That would be a big lie on my apart. I looked into these "specific details" that you described, and although they're there, they aren't as significant like you make them seem. Are sure you and I are looking at the same game here?

Iyethar

Okay. Let me get this straight. You're agreeing that the specific graphic fidelity and technical improvements I mentioned are all in play, but that Metroid Prime, a 5 year old game that had its technicals outclassed by Echoes and lacks all these niceties, still looks as good as this game?

Like I said, the only way to say that MP3 is not a significant improvement is to grossly overrate the technicals of Echoes and especially Prime.

You didn't read what I wrote carefully. I said MP3 doesn't look that much better than the previous two games. I didn't say they looked identical. But you, on the other hand, is saying MP3 looks significantly better than the other two, something myself and many others on here disagree with.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I understand the Suits but where does she keep getting all these new ships? Shes got the hook up.

nintendo-4life

So there is no explanation on why she has so many rides?

**** West Coast Customs Samus don't need any of that **** to pimp her ride.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I understand the Suits but where does she keep getting all these new ships? Shes got the hook up.

Blackbond

So there is no explanation on why she has so many rides?

**** West Coast Customs Samus don't need any of that **** to pimp her ride.

At least a bumping system to slam some Ol Skool Wu-Tang Clan beats

Well, I only saw parts of the first clip before the video became unviewable. I take it word of the videos leaked out to Nintendo, and GamesRadar.com was forced to take them off.

From what I saw, which wasn't much, the games looks kick ass already!!

You didn't read what I wrote carefully. I said MP3 doesn't look that much better than the previous two games. I didn't say they looked identical. But you, on the other hand, is saying MP3 looks significantly better than the other two, something myself and many others on here disagree with.emawk

You didn't write what you wrote carefully. You said, "I'm dead serious. If that video was an indication of anything, the game doesn't look that much better than the previous two. The improvements might be there, but they are too inconspicuous to easily notice." Well, why was I easily able to notice and list them then? After I pointed them out, you admitted their presence.

Myself and many others are able to easily see the significant improvements that you said you couldn't spot in the video. This is a simple matter of comparisons. I don't take people seriously if they start talking about how Super Mario Galaxy looks like a 360 game and by the same token I don't take people seriously if they start talking about how Metroid Prime: Corruption looks like a GameCube game.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I understand the Suits but where does she keep getting all these new ships? Shes got the hook up.

Truth_Seekr

So there is no explanation on why she has so many rides?

**** West Coast Customs Samus don't need any of that **** to pimp her ride.

At least a bumping system to slam some Ol Skool Wu-Tang Clan beats

Haha lol. But seroiusly I wonder who builds these marvels. Or are these things just custom jobs she gets with all of her earnings. I mean think of all that Juice she made after eradicating all the Metroids in Metroid II. Look at all that Juice...

[QUOTE="emawk"]You didn't read what I wrote carefully. I said MP3 doesn't look that much better than the previous two games. I didn't say they looked identical. But you, on the other hand, is saying MP3 looks significantly better than the other two, something myself and many others on here disagree with.Iyethar

You didn't write what you wrote carefully. You said, "I'm dead serious. If that video was an indication of anything, the game doesn't look that much better than the previous two. The improvements might be there, but they are too inconspicuous to easily notice." Well, why was I easily able to notice and list them then? After I pointed them out, you admitted their presence.

Myself and many others are able to easily see the significant improvements that you said you couldn't spot in the video. This is a simple matter of comparisons. I don't take people seriously if they start talking about how Super Mario Galaxy looks like a 360 game and by the same token I don't take people seriously if they start talking about how Metroid Prime: Corruption looks like a GameCube game.

Like I said, you are seeing things that many of us (I'd go as far as saying the majority of us) are not. I just can't wait for a site like gametrailers to make a comparison.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="hotdaisy18"]Wow. They weren't kidding that the beginning was a Halo rip off of an intro.LinKuei_warrior

Halo didn't exactly have the most original intro in the world, y'know.

apparently it mustve been to Metroid devs if they have 2 make theirs look similar...

the Halo series sucks compared to the Metroid Prime games. I'd be dissapointed if Retro stooped to the level of copying Halo's boring singleplayer.

[QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="emawk"]

What do you want me to say? That MP3 is significant improvement over the previous two? That would be a big lie on my apart. I looked into these "specific details" that you described, and although they're there, they aren't as significant like you make them seem. Are sure you and I are looking at the same game here?

emawk

Okay. Let me get this straight. You're agreeing that the specific graphic fidelity and technical improvements I mentioned are all in play, but that Metroid Prime, a 5 year old game that had its technicals outclassed by Echoes and lacks all these niceties, still looks as good as this game?

Like I said, the only way to say that MP3 is not a significant improvement is to grossly overrate the technicals of Echoes and especially Prime.

You didn't read what I wrote carefully. I said MP3 doesn't look that much better than the previous two games. I didn't say they looked identical. But you, on the other hand, is saying MP3 looks significantly better than the other two, something myself and many others on here disagree with.

Who cares? the first 2 Metroid Prime games look great, so its unimportant in any event.

It seriously looks like a Gamecube game. Every pic I see could've been done on the Gamecube. I'm trying to meet them halfway but I dont see it in the videos or screenshots at all. Super Mario Galaxy has better textures, MP3 does not.

For all of those making fun of Halo 3 saying it's Halo 2.1, no, you're off the mark. But MP3 really is like Gamecube 2.1. Look at the specs, it's barely past Xbox 1. And the games sort of represent that. You can play ALL Gamecube games, Miyamoto said himself the Wii is basically a Gamecube. So it makes sense you are seeing a slightly better version of a Gamecube game.

It seriously looks like a Gamecube game. Every pic I see could've been done on the Gamecube. I'm trying to meet them halfway but I dont see it in the videos or screenshots at all. Super Mario Galaxy has better textures, MP3 does not.

For all of those making fun of Halo 3 saying it's Halo 2.1, no, you're off the mark. But MP3 really is like Gamecube 2.1. Look at the specs, it's barely past Xbox 1. And the games sort of represent that. You can play ALL Gamecube games, Miyamoto said himself the Wii is basically a Gamecube. So it makes sense you are seeing a slightly better version of a Gamecube game.

PhoebusFlows

Graphics wise, maybe it is like a Gamecube game, but gameplay wise, which is what actually matters, it's nothing like it. All Halo 3 has over Halo 2 is better graphics and new stuff. Metroid Prime 3 has a whole new control scheme that is the best so far for a console shooter.

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

It seriously looks like a Gamecube game. Every pic I see could've been done on the Gamecube. I'm trying to meet them halfway but I dont see it in the videos or screenshots at all. Super Mario Galaxy has better textures, MP3 does not.

For all of those making fun of Halo 3 saying it's Halo 2.1, no, you're off the mark. But MP3 really is like Gamecube 2.1. Look at the specs, it's barely past Xbox 1. And the games sort of represent that. You can play ALL Gamecube games, Miyamoto said himself the Wii is basically a Gamecube. So it makes sense you are seeing a slightly better version of a Gamecube game.

sexy_chimp

Graphics wise, maybe it is like a Gamecube game, but gameplay wise, which is what actually matters, it's nothing like it. All Halo 3 has over Halo 2 is better graphics and new stuff. Metroid Prime 3 has a whole new control scheme that is the best so far for a console shooter.

What about the four-player co-op and all the other amazing new features that deal more with the 360's CPU? Furthermore, graphics also do actually matter (maybe not as much gameplay, but they matter).

Like I said, you are seeing things many of us (I'd go as far as saying the majority of us) aren't. I just can't wait for a site like gametrailers to make a comparison. emawk

The majority of us. :lol: You deserve to be ridiculed for that statement at the very least.

If you're so damn confident, SIG BET TIME: GAMESPOT REVIEW

THE TERMS

If GameSpot's official review speaks positively of the visual improvements from the GameCube Prime games, emawk loses.

Note: This is not to say that they merely acknowledge that there is improvement, they must state that they are impressed by the improvement or that they are pleased with it. They must make a positive statement regarding the degree of improvement. This does include any variant or form of "clearly impossible on GameCube" with respect to the graphics.

If GameSpot's official review speaks negatively or ambivalently of the visual improvements from the GameCube Prime games, Iyethar loses.

Note: This is pretty much any scenario not covered by the first case. In simplest terms, Iyethar bets emawk that GameSpot's review will praise the degree to which Corruption improves over its predecessors' graphics.

THE BET

The loser must wear the following signature for one month: "Disregard everything I have to say about graphics"

[QUOTE="emawk"]Like I said, you are seeing things many of us (I'd go as far as saying the majority of us) aren't. I just can't wait for a site like gametrailers to make a comparison. Iyethar

The majority of us. :lol: You deserve to be ridiculed for that statement at the very least.

If you're so damn confident, SIG BET TIME: GAMESPOT REVIEW

THE TERMS

If GameSpot's official review speaks positively of the visual improvements from the GameCube Prime games, emawk loses.

Note: This is not to say that they merely acknowledge that there is improvement, they must state that they are impressed by the improvement or that they are pleased with it. They must make a positive statement regarding the degree of improvement. This does include any variant or form of "clearly impossible on GameCube" with respect to the graphics.

If GameSpot's official review speaks negatively or ambivalently of the visual improvements from the GameCube Prime games, Iyethar loses.

Note: This is pretty much any scenario not covered by the first case. In simplest terms, Iyethar bets emawk that GameSpot's review will praise the degree to which Corruption improves over its predecessors' graphics.

THE BET

The loser must wear the following signature for one month: "Disregard everything I have say about graphics"

lyethar, look at this thread...how many people do you see saying MPS3 looks significantly better than the previous 2?

You are only one of a few.

And I won't make the bet; the gamespot folks have seen more than I have (and most likely you too). I am basing everything on the videos I have seen. If you read my post, I used the term "if this video is an idication of anything, the game's graphics....". From those vidoes, the game does not look that much better than the previous two.

lyethar, look in this thread...how many people do you see saying MPS3 looks significantly better than the previous 2?

You are only one of a few.

emawk

So you're chicken? I don't care about the others in this thread, (haven't bothered to count them), I care about YOU.

Are YOU confident in your assessment of Corruption's graphics? If so, accept the bet. If not, let someone who does have a confident assessment speak, for they probably know better than you.

CLUE FOR YOU: You are appealing to groupthink with this 'majority' nonsense. It means nothing. It means far less than individual assessment. I can see what my eyes can see, I am confident of what I see. You must not be, because you're not taking the bet and you value consensus over the fact of what the game's graphics are.

Wow, they even ripped off of halo when you have to meet the commander at the bridge. thats pretty lame.Japanese_Monk

Usaully the captain is manning the bridge

[QUOTE="emawk"]

lyethar, look in this thread...how many people do you see saying MPS3 looks significantly better than the previous 2?

You are only one of a few.

Iyethar

So you're chicken? I don't care about the others in this thread, (haven't bothered to count them), I care about YOU.

Are YOU confident in your assessment of Corruption's graphics? If so, accept the bet. If not, let someone who does have a confident assessment speak, for they probably know better than you.

CLUE FOR YOU: You are appealing to groupthink with this 'majority' nonsense. It means nothing. It means far less than individual assessment. I can see what my eyes can see, I am confident of what I see. You must not be, because you're not taking the bet and you value consensus over the fact of what the game's graphics are.

And yes, I am sure of what I see and from what I have see, MP3 does not look that much better than the previous two.

As for this groupthink, if I have an opinion (my individual assessment) on something and if most people agree with me, that opinion comes a step closer to becoming fact (well, in most cases).

[QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"]Wow, they even ripped off of halo when you have to meet the commander at the bridge. thats pretty lame.bigcalkenobi

Usaully the captain is manning the bridge

Don't even bother these people apparently don't know what a mission briefing is.

or at least that many other sources have used them before halo.

And yes, I am sure of what I see and from what I have see, MP3 does not look that much better than the previous two.emawk

Hmm. I'm willing to make a confident prediction about what Gamespot will eventually on the basis of what we've seen and you just aren't ready to meet me. If you truly believe what you say about what you see in the video, you would accept my bet (whose terms are biased in your favor, by the way.)

That means that either you flat out know that I'm right, or you just are very uncertain about your stance.

Either way, I'm done with this. You won't even stand behind your opinion by putting something as painless as your signature on the line.

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

My will is weak

I'm buffering all 3 parts right now to watch, when I KNOW it'll hit harder on my TV.

....................

thriteenthmonke

Don't do it.

Watch this spoiler free MP3 gameplay video instead.

http://media.wii.ign.com/articles/745/745202/vid_2090686.html

I love dude's expression that comes in around 1:30 ...."now THAT is a game!!"

the 27th can't come any sooner!!

Wtf? All 3 videos are just the E3 trailer... :| Did they take the videos down or something?Not-A-Stalker

yeah wtf?

[QUOTE="emawk"]And yes, I am sure of what I see and from what I have see, MP3 does not look that much better than the previous two.Iyethar

Hmm. I'm willing to make a confident prediction about what Gamespot will eventually on the basis of what we've seen and you just aren't ready to meet me. If you truly believe what you say about what you see in the video, you would accept my bet (whose terms are biased in your favor, by the way.)

That means that either you flat out know that I'm right, or you just are very uncertain about your stance.

Either way, I'm done with this. You won't even stand behind your opinion by putting something as painless as your signature on the line.

Believe whatever you want. MP3 still doesn't look that much better than the previous two. Listen to the latest Podcast if you want:

http://www.1up.com/do/minisite?cId=3144909

[QUOTE="Iyethar"]

[QUOTE="emawk"]And yes, I am sure of what I see and from what I have see, MP3 does not look that much better than the previous two.emawk

Hmm. I'm willing to make a confident prediction about what Gamespot will eventually on the basis of what we've seen and you just aren't ready to meet me. If you truly believe what you say about what you see in the video, you would accept my bet (whose terms are biased in your favor, by the way.)

That means that either you flat out know that I'm right, or you just are very uncertain about your stance.

Either way, I'm done with this. You won't even stand behind your opinion by putting something as painless as your signature on the line.

Believe whatever you want. MP3 still doesn't look that much better than the previous two. Listen to the latest Podcast if you want:

http://www.1up.com/do/minisite?cId=3144909

When will you graphics-whores learn, it doesnt matter!

Metroid Prime and Prime 2's graphics stand up fine and dont take away from the atmosphere, and neither will corruption. Thats what matters.

yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLkKu3wzxFE

yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLkKu3wzxFE

Plug1Plug2

thank you