First PlayStation 5 Rumors Point To 8-Core Zen CPU and Navi GPU - Lots of Devkits Already Out

@kingtito: Dude, you went on bragging about how you are okay spending $500 on a Xbox One X and you're telling me you didn't do it because it was the most powerful console around? If power wasn't you're main thing, why not just stick to the original Xbox One?

Like I said, believe what you wanna believe, but let's not denied Xbox One is the redundant console I have ever seen coming from out of the big 3. Buuuut the good news is, MS save me a lot of trouble by not bothering with there console this gen, I can play there games on PC now and for that, they have my thanks.

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^ ^ Meltdown mode. Typical.

You can't argue with facts so you're now vomiting.

PS4 launched with more exclusive games whether you like it or not. If you look at meteoritic scores Xbone's situation even becomes more dire.

AAANNNNNNDDDDDDDD the conversation is done....a perfect example of you losing an argument is when you start talking about meltdowns. The fact is the PS4 was out selling from the start despite not having a single must have game while most being multiplats. Let me say it so you can understand....mooooooo mooo mooooooo mooo moooooo mooo moooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Have a nice day fake gamer

LMAO! Your meltdown is complete. The chart proved my point exactly. What the hell is the criteria for "must have" game. So you admit now the PS4 has "must have" games? LOL, talk about selfownage. I thought Uncharted 4 and HZD were "movie games" hyped by Sonyspot. So you're now admitting PS4's exclusives right now are must haves lol.

PS4 had more games and better reviewed ones at that from day one. Cry harder lem. On top of that MS shooting themselves in the foot also helped PS4 own them even more.

That's cows criteria since, you know, you continue to say X1 has no games or as you put it AAA games. Now all of a sudden you don't understand what that means? Typical cow....when you're not hiding behind PC you're playing ignorant...oh wait you're not playing are you? Rhetorical

The charts are showing more games and better reviews on the PS4 side. I don't know what you're looking at but from day one PS4 had more games and better ones at that too. The gap in games only widened as time went on.

Which has ZERO relevance in the conversation I was having with captain meltdown. I never once said power of the PS4 had anything to do with it's sales dominance from day 1. This conversation is about you hypocritical cows BC. It sucked because X1 had it but now it's fantastic because of the PS5 rumors.....

Redundant if you're a PC gamer but if you're not is it still redundant? Nope, but let's not pretend everyone is a PC gamer now. In the grand scheme does it even matter? Who has the biggest problem with X1 games being shared with PC? Cows, that's right...your bovine brothers. Redundancy is entirely dependent on the individual gamer. For those that game on PC sure, those that don't, it's not.

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@kingtito said:

@quadknight said:

@kingtito said:

@quadknight said:

^ ^ Meltdown mode. Typical.

You can't argue with facts so you're now vomiting.

PS4 launched with more exclusive games whether you like it or not. If you look at meteoritic scores Xbone's situation even becomes more dire.

AAANNNNNNDDDDDDDD the conversation is done....a perfect example of you losing an argument is when you start talking about meltdowns. The fact is the PS4 was out selling from the start despite not having a single must have game while most being multiplats. Let me say it so you can understand....mooooooo mooo mooooooo mooo moooooo mooo moooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Have a nice day fake gamer

LMAO! Your meltdown is complete. The chart proved my point exactly. What the hell is the criteria for "must have" game. So you admit now the PS4 has "must have" games? LOL, talk about selfownage. I thought Uncharted 4 and HZD were "movie games" hyped by Sonyspot. So you're now admitting PS4's exclusives right now are must haves lol.

PS4 had more games and better reviewed ones at that from day one. Cry harder lem. On top of that MS shooting themselves in the foot also helped PS4 own them even more.

That's cows criteria since, you know, you continue to say X1 has no games or as you put it AAA games. Now all of a sudden you don't understand what that means? Typical cow....when you're not hiding behind PC you're playing ignorant...oh wait you're not playing are you? Rhetorical

The charts are showing more games and better reviews on the PS4 side. I don't know what you're looking at but from day one PS4 had more games and better ones at that too. The gap in games only widened as time went on.

Your chart is shit filled with mediocre indie games with the biggest being multiplats. None of those would sell be considered system sellers. You know this because it's always the excuse you use when talking about games on the X1 "it doesn't have any AAA games blah blah blah". Now you're saying that didn't matter and it was the 9 (mostly indie) games that were the difference maker in the PS4 vs X1 sales? Hahahahahaah LOL worthy comments I tell you.

You cows never disappoint. Go hide behind your super duper power PC cow

It's actually surprising how long the current generation of consoles have been out. I think, mostly, it's because it took both the Xbox One and PS4 2-3 years to get quality content. I still don't really feel like this generation has properly kicked off. There really isn't anything that's come out that's made me feel like this gen has been a substantial upgrade in game design and quality. Sure, the graphics are better, but I feel like last gen had more innovation. There's been very little, "I've never really played a game like this before," during this gen.

I think a lot of it has to do with very little new IP. There's been some reboots and spiritual successors to certain series, but not much in the way of, "brand new."

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@quadknight said:

@kingtito said:

@quadknight said:

@kingtito said:

AAANNNNNNDDDDDDDD the conversation is done....a perfect example of you losing an argument is when you start talking about meltdowns. The fact is the PS4 was out selling from the start despite not having a single must have game while most being multiplats. Let me say it so you can understand....mooooooo mooo mooooooo mooo moooooo mooo moooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Have a nice day fake gamer

LMAO! Your meltdown is complete. The chart proved my point exactly. What the hell is the criteria for "must have" game. So you admit now the PS4 has "must have" games? LOL, talk about selfownage. I thought Uncharted 4 and HZD were "movie games" hyped by Sonyspot. So you're now admitting PS4's exclusives right now are must haves lol.

PS4 had more games and better reviewed ones at that from day one. Cry harder lem. On top of that MS shooting themselves in the foot also helped PS4 own them even more.

That's cows criteria since, you know, you continue to say X1 has no games or as you put it AAA games. Now all of a sudden you don't understand what that means? Typical cow....when you're not hiding behind PC you're playing ignorant...oh wait you're not playing are you? Rhetorical

The charts are showing more games and better reviews on the PS4 side. I don't know what you're looking at but from day one PS4 had more games and better ones at that too. The gap in games only widened as time went on.

Your chart is shit filled with mediocre indie games with the biggest being multiplats. None of those would sell be considered system sellers. You know this because it's always the excuse you use when talking about games on the X1 "it doesn't have any AAA games blah blah blah". Now you're saying that didn't matter and it was the 9 (mostly indie) games that were the difference maker in the PS4 vs X1 sales? Hahahahahaah LOL worthy comments I tell you.

You cows never disappoint. Go hide behind your super duper power PC cow

And yet the PS4 was still flying off shelves while your Xbone was gathering dust. Sounds like the PS4 had enough games to sell the system for most people. You're just damage controlling since you have no facts to back up your claim. If power was as important as you claim XboneX wouldn't be flopping as hard as it is now. Games have always made the difference, your blabbering means nothing.

Hey motion controls are great, though I can see how many people would view them as gimmicky.

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@kingtito said:

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LMAO! Your meltdown is complete. The chart proved my point exactly. What the hell is the criteria for "must have" game. So you admit now the PS4 has "must have" games? LOL, talk about selfownage. I thought Uncharted 4 and HZD were "movie games" hyped by Sonyspot. So you're now admitting PS4's exclusives right now are must haves lol.

PS4 had more games and better reviewed ones at that from day one. Cry harder lem. On top of that MS shooting themselves in the foot also helped PS4 own them even more.

That's cows criteria since, you know, you continue to say X1 has no games or as you put it AAA games. Now all of a sudden you don't understand what that means? Typical cow....when you're not hiding behind PC you're playing ignorant...oh wait you're not playing are you? Rhetorical

The charts are showing more games and better reviews on the PS4 side. I don't know what you're looking at but from day one PS4 had more games and better ones at that too. The gap in games only widened as time went on.

Your chart is shit filled with mediocre indie games with the biggest being multiplats. None of those would sell be considered system sellers. You know this because it's always the excuse you use when talking about games on the X1 "it doesn't have any AAA games blah blah blah". Now you're saying that didn't matter and it was the 9 (mostly indie) games that were the difference maker in the PS4 vs X1 sales? Hahahahahaah LOL worthy comments I tell you.

You cows never disappoint. Go hide behind your super duper power PC cow

And yet the PS4 was still flying off shelves while your Xbone was gathering dust. Sounds like the PS4 had enough games to sell the system for most people. You're just damage controlling since you have no facts to back up your claim. If power was as important as you claim XboneX wouldn't be flopping as hard as it is now. Games have always made the difference, your blabbering means nothing.

Exactly, and he almost nothing to do with the launch games. Are you finally starting to get it? Doubt it, you're a cow logic seems to have skipped your faction completely. Many factors went into the PS4s dominance early on and games was closer to the bottom of that list than the top of it. I know, it's hard for you to comprehend because it doesn't fit into your argument but truth is truth cow. Unless you think people were running out to purchase the PS4 to play flower, or LOL KZSF. Of course they were, it was the shit games on that list people were itching to play.

Had nothing to do with the poor reveal, bad used game policy prior or always online policy prior to launch. Let's not even mention the price of the weaker console being $100 more. None of those played a factor huh? It was that list of shitty games that did the trick. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL pull your head out of Sony's ass son.

Link? You're talking out of your ass again with nothing to back up the diarrhea thoughts you're claiming.

@quadknight: Well this was fun sir. Just about time to hit the road. I'll look for something else to mindlessly argue with you about tomorrow.

See you around dude. No hard feelings I hope, you're fun to argue with ;)

Their greatest potential is brought out in VR and at that point it's objectively not a gimmick since it's fully enhancing your game experience no matter how you look at it.

Yup won't get any argument from me, I love motion controls! ?

Its not going to be a native 8 core CPU.

They use mobile CPU/APU chips, by 2019 we will have Zen2 mobile components ready codenamed Picasso which is a Ravenridge refresh with better TPD and higher clocks and those max out with 4 cores 8 threads.

Navi?... No, Vega 11 yes. Navi won't have 150w GPU's as it will release like Vega did with the 56/64 and only have high end parts ready.

These rumours are no different from every generation just hype building, keep in mind that the Xbox One and PS4 where rumoured to have flagship GPU's but release with HD 7790/7850 level of chips which where already in circulation for a year prior to launch.

If the PS5 is releasing next year?... Then it won't have Navi. It will have the Vega 11 cards which are coming this summer.

Console hardware really won't be needing it tho. put a ryzen in there, up mem a bit, a bit more gflops and done. It will be the most boring GEN much like this gen. PS4 and xbox one where already maxed out from the get go.

because that's always been the case. Are you new?

In this thread, peasants throw feces at each other.

You know what the funniest and most hypocritical thing here is?

Lemmings were the first ones to come up with the idea that BC games don't count!

We all know that the PS3 had FULL BC with the entire generation of PS2 and PS1 hardware out the box (not like the half ass shit we have with X1)

But because PS3 didn't have AAAE (And it HAD to be an AAAE, AAE's like Resistance Fall of Man didn't count) games FOR THE START OF THE GENERATION, lemming said PS3 has NO games!

lol but now the have half assed implementation of BC MS has for X1 is supposed to make up for not having any good games for the entire generation?

According to lemmings own rules, we should all agree Xbox has NO games right!? lol

Lemmings are funny in the way that they always eat their words and are prone to self-ownage. Xbox fans are the ones who decided that BC doesn't count for a current generation of games, what's the problem now?

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Nothing in your incoherent rant and meltdown essay makes sense. Simmer down and compose your thoughts better.

Sony had BC before th Xbox was still a dream in Bill Gates’ eye. PS3 had backward compatibility. Acting like BC is some new feature MS created because they are falling on it to make up for their lack of new games this gen is idiotic. People like BC and that’s including cows and Sheep, it’s a nice feature to have. What people are saying is that MS are relying too much on BC at the expense of new game experiences.

When was the last time MS released a AAA exclusive that was critically acclaimed? 2016? That’s a joke considering what Sony and Nintendo are doing. Even though your eyes are blinded by Phil’s nuts you can’t pretend that MS first party output is on the same level as Sony and Nintendo.

You know what the funniest and most hypocritical thing here is?

Lemmings were the first ones to come up with the idea that BC games don't count!

We all know that the PS3 had FULL BC with the entire generation of PS2 and PS1 hardware out the box (not like the half ass shit we have with X1)

But because PS3 didn't have AAAE (And it HAD to be an AAAE, AAE's like Resistance Fall of Man didn't count) games FOR THE START OF THE GENERATION, lemming said PS3 has NO games!

lol but now the have half assed implementation of BC MS has for X1 is supposed to make up for not having any good games for the entire generation?

According to lemmings own rules, we should all agree Xbox has NO games right!? lol

Lemmings are funny in the way that they always eat their words and are prone to self-ownage. Xbox fans are the ones who decided that BC doesn't count for a current generation of games, what's the problem now?

Karma is a bitch. All the shit they said about the PS3 has finally caught up to them. Now they are forced to defend a shitty console like the Xbone, a console that's objectively worse than the PS3. PS3 was expensive when it launched but in time the price came down and it got some stellar games. Xbone is almost 5 years into its life and still doesn't have a must have game ?.

hopefully MS waits to launch it XB2 a year after PS5 and they make everything better like they did with XBX to the PS4 Pro. I can comfortably wait a year after PS5 launches for this. MS always 1ups Sony and its a win for XB fans. PS is the fast food of gaming that feels cheap and generic when compared to XB. A cow spends a small part of its life enjoying movie games with very little replayablity and the largest part of its life on forums complaining about XB cause they know the grass is greener on the other side of their brand loyal fence they enprisioned themselves in. I've owned every gen of Sony 1&2 were epic but 3&4 i sold rather quickly. I wont make the same mistake 3rd time.

They still wont for having much for 2018 launch.

The Zen+ Ravenridge mobile chips only offer 4 cores and 8 threads and the Zen2 mobile chips are Ravenridge refreshes called Picasso that peak at 4 cores 8 threads.

So the 8 core Zen rumour is debunked more or less unless they go the custom route like they did with the PS4/X1 by having two 4 core chips on one die, either way... The power draw and heat would limit the core clock and we will be in the same situation we are in now. It will be another generation of console CPU being beating by a i3 due to IPC and core clock advantages that desktop componants along with the fact that even Ryzen destkop parts at 8 cores 16 threads at 4Ghz in gaming performance are dominated by i5's with 4 cores.

To quote the late great Nino Brown "always business brotha, never personal"

Keep it affordable. That's number one for me. Sure, I love a good looking, well-performing game. But most games these days are very well done, and look good, but suffer from shifty performance.

Bump up the specs, develop a better CPU, and keep it affordable.

its plausible (assuming a 2019 reelase date). i would say itll be a 4 core/8 thread ryzen based CPU rather than 8 physical cores. having an 8 core/16 thread CPU in a console would be waste as would having 8 physical cores and no SMT enabled. i mean the smachZ (if its real) will have a 4 core/8 thread ryzen CPU as part of its APU.

saying itll be navi based tells us very little. itll probably be the equivelent to a vega 56 is my guess. but itll use less silicon real estate to get the job done due to a more refined and efficent architecture. though i wonder how they wil deal with memory. use HBM2 as unified system memory like the PS4? unlikely due to price. maybe GDDR6 accross the board. or perhaps split memory again with DDR4 for the CPU and HBM2 for the GPU. itll probably be GDDR something though. it would tough to squeeze in a more powerful GPU unless they make the SOC huge or go the separate CPU/GPu chip route. again unlikely due to cost.

assuming its true that would be a very solid upgrade on the CPU side. the jump from jaguar cores to ryzen would be huge. the jump on the GPu side would be dissapointing though. it would be around 5.5X what the PS4 did and 2X ish better than the pro on paper. but people seem to be getting excited over the jump from the PS4 to the pro or the X1 to the X1X....so maybe its enough.

itll be interesting to see what the overall philosophy is. last gen it was tight on the ram, lots of CPU power and big on the GPU too. this gen was lots of ram, lots of GPU power and light on the CPU. i think the underlying philosophy was to get the GPU to do more CPU work too using GPGPU tools. but it seems developers havent embraced that whole heartedly. they still want to use all the GPU power to make the game as pretty as possible.

so next gen maybe they will look to balance it more. a smaller jump in the amount of ram maybe but the ram being generally faster (especially to feed the GPU at 4K). a stronger CPU would address one of the bigger complaints about current consoles. but developers may need to relearn some old tricks with caching data as the amount of memory available may be tighter compared to the current gen, relatively speaking. i think the X1X may also be a glimpse of whats to come with a focus on getting more out of limited hardware. instead of going for really fast clocks and brute force (again costs) itll be about making every Hz count, every stream processor carry its weight, every bit of ram put to good use etc. im sure sony have been doing the same type of analysis as MS has done and they can see where the PS4 and pro are basically not as used as they should be.

@lifelessablaze: that's actually not how this has worked at all, maybe you're new.

360 - first gpu with unified shaders and embedded Dram.

PS3 - first use of Cell, XDR ram, and the gpu was certainly not a year or two old.

Xbox - NV20 gpu aka Geforce 3 also launched in 2001.

Should I keep going?

You all do when you act like MS BC on xbox one,is anything more than a lazy after thought poorly implemented,and fanboys such as yourself try to hype it all the way because the PS4 didn't have it.

BC is a nice feature on launch,2 years after and broken no is not,and if there was a generation i would not want to replay on 2013,was last gen which was horribly long and pass due.

No one is proclaiming that dude but you.

OH really you should back that up please tell us how much it cost.?

In fact COST is the number one reason why almost all games didn't work,it was a LICENSING issue,MS was emulating xbox 360 games on xbox one,the xbox one was not in any way compatible,when you emulate you pay a license,is the reason why the PS2 and PS3 fat didn't have that issue,both had hardware to run those games,it physically had hardware backward compatibility.

Not only with xbox 360 games but even worse with original xbox games,since those use an Nvidia GPU.

Well now you are attacking it apparently,shouldn't you be all joy because the PS5 could get BC.?

It wasn't us who try to pass BC as the best thing ever because you people had little to play.

Funny that is exactly why we torched the xbox one,$500 weak and considerable weaker i may add,shitty games and unlike the PS3 which was backward compatible with more than 5000 games day 1 from the PS2 and PS1 basically the best 2 consoles that ever existed by 2006 the xbox one didn't have BC on launch,it got it 2 years latter and broken,yet you people claim the PS3 had not games,while you claim the xbox one did..HYPOCRITE.

That is funny because while you were paying $50 on 2006 to play a laggy and buggy 4 vs 4 on gears of wars on P2P,i was playing Resistance 20 vs 20 on dedicated service with virtually no lag and free...

Oh and watching 1080p movies on a superior format,when stand alone blu-ray players alone were $1,000 on 2006,and non were upgradable or had better image quality than the PS3.

That is MS fault not the 1070gtx that would beat your xbox one x on any game when the game is well coded,and not simply fu** up by MS development team to try to make seen like the xbox one x is superior to a PC version of the game running in a stronger card.

Really the best reason to own an xbox is the controller and BC.? Wow...

The PS3 didn't loss 3rd party exclusives because of Cell,it was a combination of factors.

1-The 360 was the leading platform sales wise with almost 10 millions shipped by the time the PS3 landed.

2-MS basically paid or financially aid many of those 3rd parties so they release games on the xbox 360,money hatting was MS thing on the 360 era.

3-Rising cost of developing games,which forced many developers to make the jump instead of staying exclusive.

Contrary to what many believe many PS2 3rd party exclusives were so by choice rather than by sony money hatting,it simple wasn't a good busyness for many Japanese developers to make games for the xbox simply because it was dead on arrival and even more on Japan.

Sony has always have exclusives dude,it wasn't something that they started on PS3 because they had less games.

@tormentos:

The Cell was the sole reason for the PS3 missing many 3rd-party exclusives or getting them late. It was a huge mistake and substantially increased development cost. Gabe Newell even went as far as saying it was a mistake and Sony should think about a "do-over".

As for the rest, I don't think you understood the context of my post, so I'll let it go. Xbox's goose is cooked. I concede you were right about their corporate culture.

Glad you're back, hope everything is going ok.

Assuming Microsoft launches XB2 in 2020 or 2021 - they need to use 7nm+ chip fabrication tech, Zen 3 CPU, NextGen GPU w/ HBM3 and clearly out-spec the PS5 while offering XB2 at the same price.

No need to go with a Zen 3. A Zen 2 will more than do the job. CPU upgrades offer very low returns in higher resolutions, provided you have a modern CPU.

next jump in performance is going to be pathetic

it won't even be 10x og ps4 which should have been the minimum for a "next gen" console

realistically speaking though you are probably looking at 1080ti performance best case scenario.Around 12TF i am guessing which is 3x the pro.

so that means native 4k and 30fps with current visuals or sub 4k and 30fps with higher fidelity

Aren't the current CPU's just a pair of quad cores glued together???

They could always do that again....... there's been quite a few quad core CPU's that were nothing more then a pair of dual cores glued together in the PC market.

Intel's Core 2 Quad's come to mind.

Although I would imagine the manufacturing nodes now would enable native 8 core CPU's with their budgets for next gen machines?

@kingtito: I dont think cows hate BC. I think the argument is given the choice between a console with fewer quality new games and BC vs one with no BC and a large variety of new games most people will take the latter. I do love that my XB1X has BC. Its a great standard MS has set and its probably the reason Sony will have it in the PS5.. but MS needs to invest in some AAA IPs.

But that's a choice cows made up. MS didn't sacrifice new games for BC but cows will have you believe they did.

Cows hated BC this entire gen simply because the PS4 didn't offer it and MS did to a somewhat limited capacity.

@kingtito: Well most would consider me a cow and i certainly don't hate it. Its the one area Sony has dropped the ball. Im glad to hear it will come back as it should. Every company needs an ecosystem.

If Sony rushes to market, it's going to come back at them when MS releases XboxOneTwo (or whatever) a year later with better hardware. PS5 has to be better than X1X spec wise. Next Gen will need to target 4k not just fake it, and rushing to the market for 2018 with today's tech seems unwise. Waiting until 2020 makes much more sense if they can get stronger hardware in at cheaper prices since the next gen console iwll need to last a good 3 years minimum before a hardware refresh cycle is launched.

Interested to see just how much better the next generation will get.

@ShepardCommandr: PS3 to PS4 was only like a 4x jump, and that took 7 years. Each new console from here on out will offer less improvements. There's only so much a game can do.... Now if you dabble in VR, there's gonna be huge improvements over the next few cycles. Next gen we'll get a solid 4k res with hopefully a majority of games being 60fps, and much better textures. The gen after that 8k. Then who knows from there on out. My biggest upgrade no one talks about is putting an SSD in my Pro... Huge difference in loading times.

@Phazevariance: History says otherwise, but maybe. If both PS5 and xbox2 run multiplats at 4k 60fps(which they should be able to, or have some options), then it boils back down to where your friends are playing, and exclusives. And for some, the controller lol. Despite the X being more powerful than the Pro or base PS4, it isn't overtaking them in sales. No sales numbers, but I would guess more S's are being sold than X's. So power isn't really something to worry too much about. Nintendo is beyond weak but it's exclusives are great and it's selling great because of it... Not online features or tv features, but GAMES. Such an easy concept to grasp, and I know MS isn't one to lose money, so they should really figure this out. And they need to also figure out how to sell their console to the rest of the world, not just the U.S.. Japan may not be an option but other countries should.

@kingtito: Just speaking for myself, BC would have been an ok extra feature, but I honestly can only think of 2 games I'd go back to play. So, it really wasn't something I cared much about. What irritated me was how much Lems hyped up BC. Maybe they were genuinely excited. Just seems a bit odd, since I had my PS3 for 7 years, and just dropped $400 on a new system, not to play those old games again, without any improvements either. Plus, both companies said there wouldn't be BC. So Lems and Cows should have kept their older system if they wanted to keep playing those games logically. If they sold their system, they would have surely sold their games too. If MS hasn't already done this yet, they should add a $15/month option for the regular gamepass plus all the BC games... Similar to PSNow without the streaming. In my opinion, it'd make more sense to play games you missed last gen instead of replaying the ones you already owned. Just a Cows thoughts on BC. ;)

Please maintain reliability/durability. Not looking for another RROD debacle.

7 nm PS4 Pro's ~323 mm2 size chip with the same game console TDP target yields 2X scale i.e. 8.4 TFLOPS FP32 with 64 ROPS setup. This is what I aspect for NAVI that will replace RX-470/RX-570 SKUs.

Both PS4 Pro and RX-480 has similar GPU chip size with PC version having higher clock speed.

$250 RX-580 NAVI replacement is effectively 2x scale Polaris 20 with Vega improvements i.e. tile cache rendering, rapid pack math and ~12.2 TFLOPS FP32.

Title cache render has higher resistance to external memory bandwidth limitations, hence making high ROPS unit better.

7 nm Xbox One X's GPU chip size (+285 mm2, nearly GTX 1070/1080's 317 mm2 chip size) is a semi-monster i.e. 12 TFLOPS which is 2X scale from X1X's 16 nm version.

Sony has nearly consistent with thier GPU sizes since PS3 and hasn't defined a new physical game console GPU chip size. There's greater FLOPS boost from Ryzen i.e. four 128 bit SIMD units per core when compared Jaguar. Ryzen gen 2 has improved SIMD units over Ryzen gen 1.

Xbox One X's >285 mm2 GPU chip size is the largest game console GPU chip size in history.

PS5 ~= 8 core Ryzen gen 2 embedded + RX-670 NAVI ... It's a PC with Sony's OpenBSD unix distro.

It depends if the semi-custom PS5 Navi APU has Tensor math units i.e. tensor units are usually quad rate instead of double rate from rapid pack math.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/mt733232(v=vs.85).aspx

In Shader Model 6 as a GPU road map

half = FP16 single rate

half2 = FP16 double rate (Vega supports this on hardware)

half4 = FP16 quad rate (perhaps Tensor?)

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Using Shader Model 6 as a GPU road map

• half, half2, half3, half4
• float, float2, float3, float4
• double, double2, double3, double4
• int, int2, int3, int4
• uint, uint2, uint3, uint4
• short, short2, short3, short4
• ushort, ushort2, ushort3, ushort4
• uint64_t, uint64_t2, uint64_t3, uint64_t4

GP102 already supports quad rate short integer (8 bits integer, short4) and double rate integer ( int2, Int16)

Vega 64 and GV100 already supports quad rate short integer (8 bits integer, short4), double rate integer ( int2, Int16) and double rate FP16 (half2).

The bold points to GV100's hardware support. Unknown if tensor units are remapped to Shader Model 6's quad rate features.

Minus double, the bold points to Vega 64's hardware support.

There more future GPU improvements with shader 6 hardware support.

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@kingtito said:

Really? Is that what I said? You made the claims there are no games on the X1. I made a statement there are many games just because they're shared with PC doesn't mean they cease to exist. At this point is where you PC comes in, as in, hiding behind it.

It's rubbish because you say it is? Hahahahaha cows are delusional. I know keep hiding behind your PC because EVERYONE that games wants to game on the PC.

The PS4 was outselling the X1 from the start and NEITHER system had games at that point. Games weren't the reason cow. Nice try but perhaps you should stick to hiding behind your PC

Yea....about that....

PS4 had more games on it from day one.

Pointing out the fact Xbone has no exclusives isn't "hiding behind my PC". I don't count multiplatform games that are on the PC as a reason to own a PS4 so why should I for the Xbone? You're a lem and using a bullshit metric like "console exclusivity" or "games not available on PS4" as a reason to own an Xbone make you a sad one at that.

A console is only as good as its games. Switch doesn't have a lot of multiplats but it has really good exclusives, PS4 has really good exclusives too. The Xbone is the only console I've seen that completely lacks exclusives but its fanboys try to tout it as a good console because its a PC-lite experience. Why would I or anyone buy a PC-lite experience especially nowadays that everyone and their grandma owns a PC thanks to the surge in PC gaming? You're not helping your case dude.

What's the thing you cow are always saying? Good games? Not enough good games. Obviously console HAVE to launch with some games but how many would be considered good? The fact the PS4 was out selling the X1 by a wide margin was not because of it's games. Doesn't surprise me that I had to actually spell it out for me.....you are cow after all.

No cow you're not pointing out anything, you're hiding behind the PC. It's what you cows do. You do it when we have graphics comparisons between the PS4 and X1 versions of multiplats. Don't have to lie to kick it cow

Manticore cow and it's just as valid as any other reason. Not everyone games on a PC cow. There is a reason consoles exist in the 1st place but I know, you need to continue to hide behind your PC as a excuse for inferior multiplats now.

The rest was mooomooomooomooomooo

^ ^ Meltdown mode. Typical.

You can't argue with facts so you're now vomiting.

PS4 launched with more exclusive games whether you like it or not. If you look at metacritic scores Xbone's situation even becomes more dire.

Missing Halo 5 4K, Forza Motorsport 7 4K, Forza Horizon 3 4K, Gears of War 4 4K (non-MP), Killer Instinct Season 3 4K, Red Dead Redemption 4K, Sea of Thieves 4K, ReCore DE 4K, State of Decay 2 4K, Super Lucky's Tale 4K and 'etc'.

Xbox One is missing significant amount of Japanese games while PS4 is missing PC's adult rated Japanese games.

This just in - Rumours that the next console with will have new hardware!

The bottleneck is AMD, and NVIDIA is not game on Sony/MS's low profit margin.

@ronvalencia said:

@quadknight said:

@kingtito said:

@quadknight said:

@kingtito said:

Really? Is that what I said? You made the claims there are no games on the X1. I made a statement there are many games just because they're shared with PC doesn't mean they cease to exist. At this point is where you PC comes in, as in, hiding behind it.

It's rubbish because you say it is? Hahahahaha cows are delusional. I know keep hiding behind your PC because EVERYONE that games wants to game on the PC.

The PS4 was outselling the X1 from the start and NEITHER system had games at that point. Games weren't the reason cow. Nice try but perhaps you should stick to hiding behind your PC

Yea....about that....

PS4 had more games on it from day one.

Pointing out the fact Xbone has no exclusives isn't "hiding behind my PC". I don't count multiplatform games that are on the PC as a reason to own a PS4 so why should I for the Xbone? You're a lem and using a bullshit metric like "console exclusivity" or "games not available on PS4" as a reason to own an Xbone make you a sad one at that.

A console is only as good as its games. Switch doesn't have a lot of multiplats but it has really good exclusives, PS4 has really good exclusives too. The Xbone is the only console I've seen that completely lacks exclusives but its fanboys try to tout it as a good console because its a PC-lite experience. Why would I or anyone buy a PC-lite experience especially nowadays that everyone and their grandma owns a PC thanks to the surge in PC gaming? You're not helping your case dude.

What's the thing you cow are always saying? Good games? Not enough good games. Obviously console HAVE to launch with some games but how many would be considered good? The fact the PS4 was out selling the X1 by a wide margin was not because of it's games. Doesn't surprise me that I had to actually spell it out for me.....you are cow after all.

No cow you're not pointing out anything, you're hiding behind the PC. It's what you cows do. You do it when we have graphics comparisons between the PS4 and X1 versions of multiplats. Don't have to lie to kick it cow

Manticore cow and it's just as valid as any other reason. Not everyone games on a PC cow. There is a reason consoles exist in the 1st place but I know, you need to continue to hide behind your PC as a excuse for inferior multiplats now.

The rest was mooomooomooomooomooo

^ ^ Meltdown mode. Typical.

You can't argue with facts so you're now vomiting.

PS4 launched with more exclusive games whether you like it or not. If you look at metacritic scores Xbone's situation even becomes more dire.

Missing Halo 5 4K, Forza Motorsport 7 4K, Forza Horizon 3 4K, Gears of War 4 4K (non-MP), Killer Instinct Season 3 4K, Red Dead Redemption 4K, Sea of Thieves 4K, ReCore DE 4K, State of Decay 2 4K, Super Lucky's Tale 4K and 'etc'.

Xbox One is missing significant amount of Japanese games while PS4 is missing PC's adult rated Japanese games.

That's nice and all but I think you've missed what we're talking about.

The list is showing launch era games. None of what you mentioned released for the Xbone or PS4's launch.

@quadknight said:

@ronvalencia said:

@quadknight said:

@kingtito said:

@quadknight said:

Yea....about that....

PS4 had more games on it from day one.

Pointing out the fact Xbone has no exclusives isn't "hiding behind my PC". I don't count multiplatform games that are on the PC as a reason to own a PS4 so why should I for the Xbone? You're a lem and using a bullshit metric like "console exclusivity" or "games not available on PS4" as a reason to own an Xbone make you a sad one at that.

A console is only as good as its games. Switch doesn't have a lot of multiplats but it has really good exclusives, PS4 has really good exclusives too. The Xbone is the only console I've seen that completely lacks exclusives but its fanboys try to tout it as a good console because its a PC-lite experience. Why would I or anyone buy a PC-lite experience especially nowadays that everyone and their grandma owns a PC thanks to the surge in PC gaming? You're not helping your case dude.

What's the thing you cow are always saying? Good games? Not enough good games. Obviously console HAVE to launch with some games but how many would be considered good? The fact the PS4 was out selling the X1 by a wide margin was not because of it's games. Doesn't surprise me that I had to actually spell it out for me.....you are cow after all.

No cow you're not pointing out anything, you're hiding behind the PC. It's what you cows do. You do it when we have graphics comparisons between the PS4 and X1 versions of multiplats. Don't have to lie to kick it cow

Manticore cow and it's just as valid as any other reason. Not everyone games on a PC cow. There is a reason consoles exist in the 1st place but I know, you need to continue to hide behind your PC as a excuse for inferior multiplats now.

The rest was mooomooomooomooomooo

^ ^ Meltdown mode. Typical.

You can't argue with facts so you're now vomiting.

PS4 launched with more exclusive games whether you like it or not. If you look at metacritic scores Xbone's situation even becomes more dire.

Missing Halo 5 4K, Forza Motorsport 7 4K, Forza Horizon 3 4K, Gears of War 4 4K (non-MP), Killer Instinct Season 3 4K, Red Dead Redemption 4K, Sea of Thieves 4K, ReCore DE 4K, State of Decay 2 4K, Super Lucky's Tale 4K and 'etc'.

Xbox One is missing significant amount of Japanese games while PS4 is missing PC's adult rated Japanese games.

That's nice and all but I think you've missed what we're talking about.

The list is showing launch era games. None of what you mentioned released for the Xbone or PS4's launch.

Game release rate for each platform changes over time and season.

NO...

By 2006 when the PS3 landed MS had secure many games by MONEY hatting,several other were exclusives because the PS3 simply wasn't there,games take time to make,and having an extra year of release assured that MS had many games that sony would not have simply by not been there,Dead rising for example as soon as the sequel hit it was multiplatform because the PS3 was there.

Cell has nothing to do with sony missing 3rd party games.

Oh really the same Gave Newell who priced sony for PSN openness about online play and which proved with Portal 2 on PS3 which feature coop with PC.? Please....