Haven't watched yet.
But must be good. Only complains seem to be from the known gt5 fanboys,
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Also, the PR guy doing the demo is a terrible driver. I understand that he's trying to show off features, but my god he sucks.DJ_LaeI think it was because he said he wasn't going to brake at all combined with him looking back at the journalists for questions.
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[QUOTE="Couth_"] That's cool bro. I just played prologue right now, and the mirror looks damn fine
Although I don't like how that particular windshield limits your view. It's a tuned SR10
Couth_
Good for you but it's what ive seen so yeh.
You haven't seen anything. You are lying and I just proved you wrong:?No ive seen it for myself keep posting screens from your TV it's not going to change what ive seen.
Nothing too amazing, but I was impressed with the UI and disappointed with the cosmetic damage.Haven't watched yet.
But must be good. Only complains seem to be from the known gt5 fanboys,
Tobin09
Also, the PR guy doing the demo is a terrible driver. I understand that he's trying to show off features, but my god he sucks.DJ_LaeHes just your average Forza player, if anything that shows how and why rewind is used. not for beginners trying to ease their learning curves, but for veteran gamers that can't accept their mistakes and play through it, for gamers that won't accept not getting pole position.
[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Also, the PR guy doing the demo is a terrible driver. I understand that he's trying to show off features, but my god he sucks.Adrian_CloudHes just your average Forza player, if anything that shows how and why rewind is used. not for beginners trying to ease their learning curves, but for veteran gamers that can't accept their mistakes and play through it, for gamers that won't accept not getting pole position. Your sure doing alot of **** about something that can be turned off.
[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Also, the PR guy doing the demo is a terrible driver. I understand that he's trying to show off features, but my god he sucks.Adrian_CloudHes just your average Forza player, if anything that shows how and why rewind is used. not for beginners trying to ease their learning curves, but for veteran gamers that can't accept their mistakes and play through it, for gamers that won't accept not getting pole position. No, if anything, veteran players would resort to a full restart of the race, as invalidating your lap and race times would be a fate worse than death.
[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Also, the PR guy doing the demo is a terrible driver. I understand that he's trying to show off features, but my god he sucks.DJ_LaeHes just your average Forza player, if anything that shows how and why rewind is used. not for beginners trying to ease their learning curves, but for veteran gamers that can't accept their mistakes and play through it, for gamers that won't accept not getting pole position. No, if anything, veteran players would resort to a full restart of the race, as invalidating your lap and race times would be a fate worse than death. "A fate worse than death". Dramatic, but a nice touch. According to Tobin and many other Forza enthusiasts, and developers themselves it is unfair that the gamer can't rewind on the last lap because they made a slight error and lost position. Would you want to restart the whole race because of one little mistake?, etc. The developers have made this case several times, and these forza fans have backed it up.
Looks ok. The rewind option is kinda silly. The interface is much better than Forza 2. I might buy this, but I'm not sure. What I saw wasn't that different from other racing games I've played over the years.
Haven't watched yet.
But must be good. Only complains seem to be from the known gt5 fanboys,
Nothing too amazing, but I was impressed with the UI and disappointed with the cosmetic damage. ehh. Yea, the cosmetic has always kidna stunk, even in forza 2. It's still better than not having a scratch though, otherwise it looks outta place. Most people know that it's how the damage affects performance thats the biggie. Getting toe knocked in making it hard to enter corners, buming the guy ahead to hard and losing some downforce, Having your setup with to much cambere having more tirewear, I's not really the collision stuff that rocks, It the damage that prevents faulty car setups. That matters to me. Hopefully you won't be able to ride the bumbstops anymore. But by the sound of it, they have fixed that.[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Also, the PR guy doing the demo is a terrible driver. I understand that he's trying to show off features, but my god he sucks.Adrian_CloudHes just your average Forza player, if anything that shows how and why rewind is used. not for beginners trying to ease their learning curves, but for veteran gamers that can't accept their mistakes and play through it, for gamers that won't accept not getting pole position. coming from someone with pure ignorance
Hes just your average Forza player, if anything that shows how and why rewind is used. not for beginners trying to ease their learning curves, but for veteran gamers that can't accept their mistakes and play through it, for gamers that won't accept not getting pole position. coming from someone with pure ignorance Yeh he bashes forza when he gets the chance.[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Also, the PR guy doing the demo is a terrible driver. I understand that he's trying to show off features, but my god he sucks.2uneek4u
"A fate worse than death". Dramatic, but a nice touch. According to Tobin and many other Forza enthusiasts, and developers themselves it is unfair that the gamer can't rewind on the last lap because they made a slight error and lost position. Would you want to restart the whole race because of one little mistake?, etc. The developers have made this case several times, and these forza fans have backed it up. Adrian_CloudI would rather restart the race than use the rewind feature, as the instant you do you essentially brand your race time with an idiot stamp. The leaderboards in Forza offer a lot of competitive fun, and taking that out removes most of the incentive for people who take the game seriously. For those that don't, they can advertise to the world that they suck and had to use the rewind button.
[QUOTE="navyguy21"]Did you watch the video? The damage was CLEARLY set on cosmetic.............meaning the car will only sustain scratches and scrapes. Forza 3 does have full simulation damage like in GT5 where bumpers fly off, windows break, and it can actually effect your driving. This was also in Forza 2. Why dont you try WATCHING the video so you dont embarass yourself further II-FBIsniper-IITo be fair, cosmetic damage means only that, the damage will be limited to cosmetics. Changing the settings won't make more things fly off, they'll just make the damage affect performance. From what I've seen, GT5's cosmetic damage is much more notable than Forza 3's. Just look at Forza 2 or Forza for that matter. Your statements are completely off base. Forza 3 will support full scale damage modeling, as well Forza 3 will render the bottom of the cars now, allowing for vehicles to flip over. Just because THIS video didn't show it doesn't mean it's not there. They simply where showing how the game can be played as a casual.
[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Hes just your average Forza player, if anything that shows how and why rewind is used. not for beginners trying to ease their learning curves, but for veteran gamers that can't accept their mistakes and play through it, for gamers that won't accept not getting pole position. Adrian_CloudNo, if anything, veteran players would resort to a full restart of the race, as invalidating your lap and race times would be a fate worse than death. "A fate worse than death". Dramatic, but a nice touch. According to Tobin and many other Forza enthusiasts, and developers themselves it is unfair that the gamer can't rewind on the last lap because they made a slight error and lost position. Would you want to restart the whole race because of one little mistake?, etc. The developers have made this case several times, and these forza fans have backed it up. just like forza 2. im sure theres different race settings. with different force assists off. if casual players dont like it. they can always find other race with settings they like.
The first Gran Turismo on the PS1 have damage you cant see it the car but you can see your status on the upper right corner of the screen and really affect your handling..raskulliburWasn't that Gran Turismo 2?
[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]"A fate worse than death". Dramatic, but a nice touch. According to Tobin and many other Forza enthusiasts, and developers themselves it is unfair that the gamer can't rewind on the last lap because they made a slight error and lost position. Would you want to restart the whole race because of one little mistake?, etc. The developers have made this case several times, and these forza fans have backed it up. DJ_LaeI would rather restart the race than use the rewind feature, as the instant you do you essentially brand your race time with an idiot stamp. The leaderboards in Forza offer a lot of competitive fun, and taking that out removes most of the incentive for people who take the game seriously. For those that don't, they can advertise to the world that they suck and had to use the rewind button. I guess that is one way to deal with it, i don't see whats wrong with accepting that you didn't do enough to win the race. Its not like its going to cause unbearable mental anguish. I agree with you definitely on restarting rather than rewinding if you were actually just going for lap times. Whats the point of playing for a season mode, or adjusting difficulties if your just going to use rewind to bail you out?
So some of the biggest complaints is for rewind which is a feature that does not even have to be used at all it is pure choice to be used at all. Also rewind can not even be used in online play at all. So if this is what some of the bigger GT fans are latching onto for bashing Forza then Turn 10 you got yourself a easy AAA game.
"A fate worse than death". Dramatic, but a nice touch. According to Tobin and many other Forza enthusiasts, and developers themselves it is unfair that the gamer can't rewind on the last lap because they made a slight error and lost position. Would you want to restart the whole race because of one little mistake?, etc. The developers have made this case several times, and these forza fans have backed it up. Adrian_Cloud
[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Hes just your average Forza player, if anything that shows how and why rewind is used. not for beginners trying to ease their learning curves, but for veteran gamers that can't accept their mistakes and play through it, for gamers that won't accept not getting pole position. Adrian_CloudNo, if anything, veteran players would resort to a full restart of the race, as invalidating your lap and race times would be a fate worse than death. "A fate worse than death". Dramatic, but a nice touch. According to Tobin and many other Forza enthusiasts, and developers themselves it is unfair that the gamer can't rewind on the last lap because they made a slight error and lost position. Would you want to restart the whole race because of one little mistake?, etc. The developers have made this case several times, and these forza fans have backed it up. Unfair is wrong word, but yeam, it sucks. I'm in support of the feature. Online, where 90% of the real, punishing races happen, You do have consequences. No rewind. On the career, that doesn't really matter to me, that is completely uneccesary to even play now, as all cars are unlocked from start, It takes a little of the tedious work out of it. Makes it so you can just have the wheel to wheel racing, constantly without interruppting. It's still bad to crash, You still don't want to do it, now it's gonna be easy to try again, learn, nail that corner right, and learn how to give that car next to you room. You still have to do it. You just get more chances. I can say that I will be doing a corner, rewinding, doing it over, until I nailed it consistently.
Lets not turn this into a GTvsForza thread, you a fish out of water once we go there.So some of the biggest complaints is for rewind which is a feature that does not even have to be used at all it is pure choice to be used at all. Also rewind can not even be used in online play at all. So if this is what some of the bigger GT fans are latching onto for bashing Forza then Turn 10 you got yourself a easy AAA game.
CanYouDiglt
So some of the biggest complaints is for rewind which is a feature that does not even have to be used at all. Also rewind can not even be used in online play. So if this is what some of the bigger GT fans are latching onto for bashing Forza then Turn 10 you got yourself a easy AAA game.CanYouDigltI dont know I always use the rewind feature in Grid
The rewind feature is really cool. Stevo_the_gamerhope its not like dirt 2. i was trying to change my view and it took me to replay type of mode. they should wait for replays or rewinds when the race is over.
[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]"A fate worse than death". Dramatic, but a nice touch. According to Tobin and many other Forza enthusiasts, and developers themselves it is unfair that the gamer can't rewind on the last lap because they made a slight error and lost position. Would you want to restart the whole race because of one little mistake?, etc. The developers have made this case several times, and these forza fans have backed it up. foxhound_fox
[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Lets not turn this into a GTvsForza thread, you a fish out of water once we go there.Oh like you are some expert on Forza? I am only talking about GT fans and their remarks on Forza. GT fans do not really have anything to say about Forza. Forza has better part customization,better paint customization, better A.I., better physics,better damage, players can personalize their cars, better online options, better training helpers if needed, better release date, better history with scores. Only thing GT5 has over Forza is amount of cars but kinda easy when there is 60 skylines and so on to pad the numbers. Forza does not need to do that since there is so much freedom in customizations.So some of the biggest complaints is for rewind which is a feature that does not even have to be used at all it is pure choice to be used at all. Also rewind can not even be used in online play at all. So if this is what some of the bigger GT fans are latching onto for bashing Forza then Turn 10 you got yourself a easy AAA game.
Adrian_Cloud
the problem is not turning it on and off, the problem is introducing a BAD gameplay mechanic. Its that simple, it would be like namco adding weapons to Tekken and you didn't have to use them, or Martyrdom becoming a standard in fps games. Adrian_Cloudits only in the game for casual appeal...any hardcore Racer GT5 or Forza would not use the feature.....its just so ur average non racing gamer can pick it up and play.....
the problem is not turning it on and off, the problem is introducing a BAD gameplay mechanic. Its that simple, it would be like namco adding weapons to Tekken and you didn't have to use them, or Martyrdom becoming a standard in fps games. Adrian_CloudI think it's wrong to say it's bad. I think you just have to have something to bash on, and keep draggin this on, becouse you can't find anything else less subjective. I think, that it will be great, I can run fast laptimes, and drive fast, but I'm great at doing 2 wide, wheel to wheel, with another car. So now, If I get a good race going with the A.I, pretty equal laptimes, I can race it hard, do it right, pass, rewind, try again a different corner, Messup, crash, tryagain, and really learn when it's right to give that car room. Or if 'm hotlapping, I can give that tricky corner a go, and rewind until I can constantly nail it. It's not rewarding bad driving, Plus, You, adrian, have obviously never really played forza alot. And are most likely stuck on gt"s always single player thing. Forza is 90% online. I wouldn't buy it If I had no live. And rewind, is not avaible there.
[QUOTE="Totalgym9000"]umm that looks good but when it comes to graphics it doesnt even come close to gt5 in those vids.Tobin09I agree, I think gt5P, and gt5 will look better, sarcasm or not?
I like how GTR and GT do it. You can see more than half of the wheel.[QUOTE="aero250"][QUOTE="15strong"]
It doesn't look like that when I drive, I am pretty sure I can see more than just the top of my hands and more than half the steering wheel.
15strong
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I agree, they should move it back a bit further like GT5, its much easier to drive when its like this..................but its no biggie
mythrol
WTF is up with the reflection in that mirror?
It was a very early build.[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]the problem is not turning it on and off, the problem is introducing a BAD gameplay mechanic. Its that simple, it would be like namco adding weapons to Tekken and you didn't have to use them, or Martyrdom becoming a standard in fps games. Tobin09I think it's wrong to say it's bad. I think you just have to have something to bash on, and keep draggin this on, becouse you can't find anything else less subjective. I think, that it will be great, I can run fast laptimes, and drive fast, but I'm great at doing 2 wide, wheel to wheel, with another car. So now, If I get a good race going with the A.I, pretty equal laptimes, I can race it hard, do it right, pass, rewind, try again a different corner, Messup, crash, tryagain, and really learn when it's right to give that car room. Or if 'm hotlapping, I can give that tricky corner a go, and rewind until I can constantly nail it. It's not rewarding bad driving, Plus, You, adrian, have obviously never really played forza alot. And are most likely stuck on gt"s always single player thing. Forza is 90% online. I wouldn't buy it If I had no live. And rewind, is not avaible there. Not really, your laptimes won't count so that would defeat the purpose:| I've only played Forza a couple of times, and i lent my gt5p a long time ago. so im not stuck on anything, i just don't like bad gameplay design. random levels like dmc4, poor pacing like in mgs4, repetitive gameplay mechanics like in assasins creed. no game is perfect, but when criticism is due it should be noted. Especially when they went out of there way to put that garbage in the game. With that said you Tobin haven't played forza 3 and neither have i don't get smart lipped about anything pal.
For those complaining about the rewind feature it's also important to note that since you can make your own videos and share them now, a rewind feature is essential... just more options, and more FUN. Turn 10 has really nailed it with this game.
I am so excite! :D
[QUOTE="Tobin09"][QUOTE="Totalgym9000"]umm that looks good but when it comes to graphics it doesnt even come close to gt5 in those vids.bronxxbombersI agree, I think gt5P, and gt5 will look better, sarcasm or not? No, I'm serious, I know my avatar, but I'm not as blind as you might think =P
I like how GTR and GT do it. You can see more than half of the wheel. You really can't do a proper cockpit without the use of 3 monitors, because of peripheral vision.[QUOTE="15strong"]
[QUOTE="aero250"][QUOTE="15strong"]
It doesn't look like that when I drive, I am pretty sure I can see more than just the top of my hands and more than half the steering wheel.
zero_snake99
[QUOTE="Tobin09"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]the problem is not turning it on and off, the problem is introducing a BAD gameplay mechanic. Its that simple, it would be like namco adding weapons to Tekken and you didn't have to use them, or Martyrdom becoming a standard in fps games. Adrian_CloudI think it's wrong to say it's bad. I think you just have to have something to bash on, and keep draggin this on, becouse you can't find anything else less subjective. I think, that it will be great, I can run fast laptimes, and drive fast, but I'm great at doing 2 wide, wheel to wheel, with another car. So now, If I get a good race going with the A.I, pretty equal laptimes, I can race it hard, do it right, pass, rewind, try again a different corner, Messup, crash, tryagain, and really learn when it's right to give that car room. Or if 'm hotlapping, I can give that tricky corner a go, and rewind until I can constantly nail it. It's not rewarding bad driving, Plus, You, adrian, have obviously never really played forza alot. And are most likely stuck on gt"s always single player thing. Forza is 90% online. I wouldn't buy it If I had no live. And rewind, is not avaible there. Not really, your laptimes won't count so that would defeat the purpose:| I've only played Forza a couple of times, and i lent my gt5p a long time ago. so im not stuck on anything, i just don't like bad gameplay design. random levels like dmc4, poor pacing like in mgs4, repetitive gameplay mechanics like in assasins creed. no game is perfect, but when criticism is due it should be noted. Especially when they went out of there way to put that garbage in the game. With that said you Tobin haven't played forza 3 and neither have i don't get smart lipped about anything pal. I don't think anything can defeat the porpose of practice. You know have a more efficient way to practice, for when I'm online, were it really matters to me. I'm better. and no one has rewind. That's all i can see using it for. So It looks like for me, It will be beneficial. And just look, you telling me I shouldn't like it yet becouse I haven't played either, but right before that, you call it garbage. Maybe YOU need to wait until it's out to judge too? *Readies for the I'm right becouse I judged mass effect speal*
That's a lie. The screen is from a preview build of Prologue. The first time they demoed it, it did look like that. Then they vastly improved it[QUOTE="Couth_"]
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You are not seeing things, Ive played prologue and thats exactly what you see.
aero250
I went to my friends house and played prologue and it had that issue in the mirror.
That's a blatant lie. Also, the picture in this quote is a touched up GT5P screen.[QUOTE="aero250"]
[QUOTE="Couth_"]That's a lie. The screen is from a preview build of Prologue. The first time they demoed it, it did look like that. Then they vastly improved it
I went to my friends house and played prologue and it had that issue in the mirror.
That's a blatant lie. Also, the picture in this quote is a touched up GT5P screen. It's honestly what i saw .Please Log In to post.
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