Game Demo in New Super Mario Bros Wii will become standard like saving

Save system: Something that made it possible to finish a game in multiple sittings. Allows developers to make games as long and difficult as possible without taking into consideration that players have to beat it in one sitting with a set number of lives. Has become standard after The Legend of Zelda.

Game Demo: Something that allows you to skip over parts that you find too difficult and continue on with the game. Allows developers to make games devilishly difficult without taking into consideration the gaming skill of all players. Will become standard for first party games after New Super Mario Bros Wii.

Both invented by Miyamoto.

Who says that Nintendo doesn't innovate with software?

Game Demo is awesome imo. Making it easier for people to play games while being able to improve level design and difficulty in the process.

Nintendo games: Easier and easier each gen.Messiahbolical-

If only you actually researched before you talked. It would be better for everyone.

Nintendo did not invent game saves....mattbbpl

Guinness World Records has awarded The Legend of Zelda series five world records in Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition, including "Highest-Rated Game of All Time" and "First Game with a Battery Powered Save Feature".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda_(video_game)#Impact_and_legacy

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Nintendo did not invent game saves....nintendoman562

Guinness World Records has awarded The Legend of Zelda series five world records in Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition, including "Highest-Rated Game of All Time" and "First Game with a Battery Powered Save Feature".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda_(video_game)#Impact_and_legacy

Nintendo games: Easier and easier each gen.Messiahbolical-

Yeah, that is why many impressions I have read this week say New Super Mario Bros Wii is one of the hardest Mario games around. :?

I like the Game Demo feature even though I will not use it. I think it allows developers to raise the difficulty level without being worried about less experienced not making it through the hardest sections of the game.

Not a fan of this game demo thing. I wont use it but I hate the fact that I'll be tempted to.

I don't like that game demo thing. I like games with a challenge, but if the game has that feature id be tempted to use it when i get stuck somewhere even tho in the end I know i'll enjoy the game more if i just kept trying. It's like all these guides and walkthrough, you're tempted to use them when you get stuck but you know it will kinda ruin the experience.Tykain

This is really more a lack of self control on the gamers part than being an actual problem. I have no intention of touching Super Guide but I am absolutely estatic about its implementation. Its such a joy that the devs can crank up the difficulty yet still retain the accesibility for all gamers.

Not really a new feature, nor will it become a standard. Game demos are short sections of a game that you can download and play for free, not whatever this crap is. Very poorly named.

so what I am understanding is that all the stages are unlocked from the start?

[QUOTE="Tykain"]I don't like that game demo thing. I like games with a challenge, but if the game has that feature id be tempted to use it when i get stuck somewhere even tho in the end I know i'll enjoy the game more if i just kept trying. It's like all these guides and walkthrough, you're tempted to use them when you get stuck but you know it will kinda ruin the experience.ActicEdge

This is really more a lack of self control on the gamers part than being an actual problem. I have no intention of touching Super Guide but I am absolutely estatic about its implementation. Its such a joy that the devs can crank up the difficulty yet still retain the accesibility for all gamers.

so what I am understanding is that all the stages are unlocked from the start?

bloodcord

mm game saves was around before nintendo I'm afraid

[QUOTE="nintendoman562"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Nintendo did not invent game saves....mattbbpl

Guinness World Records has awarded The Legend of Zelda series five world records in Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition, including "Highest-Rated Game of All Time" and "First Game with a Battery Powered Save Feature".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda_(video_game)#Impact_and_legacy

Hooray more game compromising features! Forza has unlimited rewinds this has a (as I understand it) skip it feature. And i don't care if its optional. Its mere existance cheapens the product imo.TheGrat1

Why is that? Why is having to die 8 times in a single level before you are "offered" help going to cheapen your experience? Are you the type ofgamer who can't handle a little challenge and wimps out and accepts help even when you know you shouldn't use it? Maybe your experience will be ruined due to your own gaming weakness but for those who genuinely need help and us who will concour the game for the joy of platforming alone, this feature doesn't hurt at all.

zelda 1986, commodore64 had game saves in 1982, apple ][e in 1983 and of course there computers way older than these, and yes the c64 had cartridges and was considers a gaming platform,

zelda may have been the first to save to a battery in a cart, but claiming it was the first game saves is just dumb.

I distinctly recall typing in long codes to get me back to my save point back in the day too

Game demo is horrible imo. It's like saying here you go the game you paid $60 and press this button here and it will play itself. Won't it be fun watching the game play itself without any input from the human!?!?!? Rather like watching a movie.93soccer

Please, since you're so knowledgable in how this feature will work, explain to me the concept.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="nintendoman562"] They invented it on consoles with Zelda.

Guinness World Records has awarded The Legend of Zelda series five world records in Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition, including "Highest-Rated Game of All Time" and "First Game with a Battery Powered Save Feature".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda_(video_game)#Impact_and_legacy

SquatsAreAwesom

So this new feature your talking about...... when the game play it self for you.....You know this was in racing games and fighting game way before nintendo did this. Also, no I don't want the game play it self for me. It's a bad idea to make it standered. If it too hard to play for people who need it then they wouldn't play it anyway.

[QUOTE="bloodcord"]

so what I am understanding is that all the stages are unlocked from the start?

OreoMilkshake

lol its what I was understanding from what TC posted sorry if I understood him wrong. thats why I put a ??

I don't know if it will become standard, but game saving was standard far before Nintendo came along. I realize that they did it in Cartridges, but we don't use those anymore...

Anyways, if this were to become standard, getting achievements and trophies would be interesting...:P

I have no idea why people are up in arms about an optional feature in a single player game.

Edit: Up in arms = people angry about these features (ie, Forza). It is only going to cheapen MY experience if I use it and you don't.

Game demo is horrible imo. It's like saying here you go the game you paid $60 and press this button here and it will play itself. Won't it be fun watching the game play itself without any input from the human!?!?!? Rather like watching a movie.93soccer

[QUOTE="Tykain"]I don't like that game demo thing. I like games with a challenge, but if the game has that feature id be tempted to use it when i get stuck somewhere even tho in the end I know i'll enjoy the game more if i just kept trying. It's like all these guides and walkthrough, you're tempted to use them when you get stuck but you know it will kinda ruin the experience.ActicEdge

This is really more a lack of self control on the gamers part than being an actual problem. I have no intention of touching Super Guide but I am absolutely estatic about its implementation. Its such a joy that the devs can crank up the difficulty yet still retain the accesibility for all gamers.

[QUOTE="93soccer"]

Please, since you're so knowledgable in how this feature will work, explain to me the concept.

[QUOTE="93soccer"]Game demo is horrible imo. It's like saying here you go the game you paid $60 and press this button here and it will play itself. Won't it be fun watching the game play itself without any input from the human!?!?!? Rather like watching a movie.Willy105

I don't know if it will become standard, but game saving was standard far before Nintendo came along. I realize that they did it in Cartridges, but we don't use those anymore...

Anyways, if this were to become standard, getting achievements and trophies would be interesting...:P

SolidTy

It doesn't play itself it plays a video of how you're supposed to do something. Then it expects you to do it.OreoMilkshake

I heard that it could skip the part for you as well? That's why it is/was referred to as a 'plays itself' game.

And I don't know if I'd call it video, a scripted event yes, kind of like Cinema mode on Uncharted 2 (or Halo), videos aren't actually made it just records what happens in the game and using the game's engine plays it back.

Personally as someone who always plays hard-mode, I am extremely excited about this feature.

On a side note, I am also excited about the blood pressure thing for Survival/Horror games.

Sounds like a good idea :D.. Then again i'm the guy that had the game genies and always found ways to cheat my way through games 8)

Yes I know what it is and it does exactly what i said. Here's the proof: Demo play93soccer

1. June 11, 2009. -1
2. Written in immature accusatory manor -2
3. Gossipgamer.com:roll: -3
4. The writer has not seen the feature himself -4
5. You have no idea what you are talking about -5

Here's what it really does

- allows the game to run through a level on its own
- players can take control at any time
- only available to players that die 8 times in a level
- when you start your 9th life, a green box will appear at the start of a level. This box will activate the Super Guide when hit
- Super Guide uses a game-controlled Luigi to show how to play
- demos are run in-game, and are not pre-recorded videos
- Super Guide doesn't show shortcuts or secrets
- Super Guide should showcase a level run without any deaths
- hit a button to take control of Luigi at any time
- the screen still shows that the level is being playing in Super Guide mode, just with user-input

http://kotaku.com/5374432/kind-code-demo-shows-new-super-mario-bros-on-auto+pilot
Mon Oct 5 2009

Final score:

ActicEdge +1
93soccer -5

Not looking good for you man. Anything else you'd like to add?

[QUOTE="93soccer"] Yes I know what it is and it does exactly what i said. Here's the proof: Demo playActicEdge

1. June 11, 2009. -1
2. Written in immature accusatory manor -2
3. Gossipgamer.com:roll: -3
4. The writer has not seen the feature himself -4
5. You have no idea what you are talking about -5

Here's what it really does

- allows the game to run through a level on its own
- players can take control at any time
- only available to players that die 8 times in a level -1
- when you start your 9th life, a green box will appear at the start of a level. This box will activate the Super Guide when hit -2
- Super Guide uses a game-controlled Luigi to show how to play -3
- demos are run in-game, and are not pre-recorded videos
- Super Guide doesn't show shortcuts or secrets
- Super Guide should showcase a level run without any deaths
- hit a button to take control of Luigi at any time -4
- the screen still shows that the level is being playing in Super Guide mode, just with user-input

Final score:

ActicEdge +1 93soccer - 5

Not looking good for you man.

You sir have no idea what YOUR talking about. Again here's what it truly does:
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/02/nintendo-describes-demo-play-option-in-new-super-mario-bros-w/
http://www.siliconera.com/2009/10/01/new-super-mario-bros-wii-demo-play-only-shows-how-to-beat-levels/
http://www.whattheyplay.com/blog/2009/10/01/nintendo-clarifies-the-nature-of-demo-play/

Final Score:

ArcticEdge -4 93soccer:+1

- allows the game to run through a level on its own
- players can take control at any time
- only available to players that die 8 times in a level
- when you start your 9th life, a green box will appear at the start of a level. This box will activate the Super Guide when hit
- Super Guide uses a game-controlled Luigi to show how to play
- demos are run in-game, and are not pre-recorded videos
- Super Guide doesn't show shortcuts or secrets
- Super Guide should showcase a level run without any deaths
- hit a button to take control of Luigi at any time
- the screen still shows that the level is being playing in Super Guide mode, just with user-input

ActicEdge

Hell ya! That's what im talking about! Now if I dont wanna play a level I can just let the game beat it for me :D This will be awesome

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="93soccer"] Yes I know what it is and it does exactly what i said. Here's the proof: Demo play93soccer

1. June 11, 2009. -1
2. Written in immature accusatory manor -2
3. Gossipgamer.com:roll: -3
4. The writer has not seen the feature himself -4
5. You have no idea what you are talking about -5

Here's what it really does

- allows the game to run through a level on its own
- players can take control at any time
- only available to players that die 8 times in a level -1
- when you start your 9th life, a green box will appear at the start of a level. This box will activate the Super Guide when hit -2
- Super Guide uses a game-controlled Luigi to show how to play -3
- demos are run in-game, and are not pre-recorded videos
- Super Guide doesn't show shortcuts or secrets
- Super Guide should showcase a level run without any deaths
- hit a button to take control of Luigi at any time -4
- the screen still shows that the level is being playing in Super Guide mode, just with user-input

Final score:

ActicEdge +1 93soccer - 5

Not looking good for you man.

You sir have no idea what YOUR talking about. Again here's what it truly does:
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/02/nintendo-describes-demo-play-option-in-new-super-mario-bros-w/
http://www.siliconera.com/2009/10/01/new-super-mario-bros-wii-demo-play-only-shows-how-to-beat-levels/
http://www.whattheyplay.com/blog/2009/10/01/nintendo-clarifies-the-nature-of-demo-play/

Final Score:

ActicEdge +2
93soccer: -9

So you can't read your own links?

link 1:

Nintendo's finally dropped the curtain on Miyamoto's "Demo Play" idea for upcoming New Super Mario Bros. Wii and it turns out the option is less of a handholding through the entire game and more of an instructional tool on overcoming those tough spots.

Nintendo of Europe updated its site, saying that while watching the demonstration go down in real time, the player can choose to intervene whenever they wish and take control themselves. We can't imagine the need for this system much in NSMBW, though. We're sure the game tape can be solved through a combination of running, jumping and, uh, running and jumping.

Yeah, so on top of not witnessing the title themselves they support my statement by saying you watch the game play in real time and can jump in when your ready. They haven't seen the game in motion yet as they mention nothing of hands on time. Not the full details. Strike 1.

link 2:

Nintendo of Europe updated their New Super Mario Bros. page and spilled details on "demo play." Contrary to what was said in a Miyamoto interview,demo play won't beat a level for you.

Here's an excerpt from NOE's product page. Note the bolded section, emphasized by us.

New Super Mario Bros. Wii is also the first Nintendo game to feature a dynamic help system, which allows you to access a mode showing how a level can be completed if you are stuck. The best thing about this mode is that you are free to jump into the action you're watching on screen at any time!

So, instead of the game beating a level while you grab a snack, it shows you what moves to make and you can mimic what happens on the screen.

Again, they are getting their info from a product page, not hands on. They say the same thing as the first link. They also like the first link lack anything of how this mode occurs and what its called. Strike 2.

Link 3:

When Nintendo unveiled New Super Mario Bros. Wii at E3, there was talk about the game featuring a "dynamic help system." Mario's creator, Shigeru Miyamoto, made a statement in a subsequent interview that insinuated the optional dynamic help system might finish a level for a stuck player.

However,it appears the system is more akin to an advanced demonstration. According to Nintendo of Europe's product page for New Super Mario Bros. Wii, stumped players will have the option of accessing a demonstration meant to guide them on the right path:

New Super Mario Bros. Wii is also the first Nintendo game to feature a dynamic help system, which allows you to access a mode showing how a level can be completed if you are stuck. The best thing about this mode is that you are free to jump into the action you're watching on screen at any time!

This should help put to rest some of the growing fears about New Super Mario Bros. Wii being too easy for core gamers.

Same crap as the last 2 links, no mention of Super Guide official name, no mention of lives, no mention of how to activate it, no hands on time. Strike 3. And to top it all off, my link is the most recent out of all of ours.

Now its ActicEdge +2
93soccer: -9.

Here let me adjust your scoring too, you made some mistakes ;)

[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

Hey kiddies..... if you want the game to play itself, go watch a cartoon... it's essentially the same thing.

I like being competitive with my gaming.... to me this kills that.

Kids in 5 years "YA, Im Da B3St @ doz vidio gamz, look @ me Go *presses one button*..... YEAH in YO Fase, YOO SEE DAT!?"

I see a major problem with just making anything easy enough so that anyone can do it. Whether its video games or graduating with a Masters Degree in Astrophysics from Harvard.People need to learn how to live with failure.

Hey I know, lets give all the kids at school trophies just for participating in sports.... AWWW! man, I hate all this "I'm a WINNER cuz I tried crap"

RoCkStaR_EnGaGe

Dude if I could punch in the face right now I would :evil: It is an OPTIONAL feature if you dont wanna use it then don't!

Hey kiddies..... if you want the game to play itself, go watch a cartoon... it's essentially the same thing.

I like being competitive with my gaming.... to me this kills that.

Kids in 5 years "YA, Im Da B3St @ doz vidio gamz, look @ me Go *presses one button*..... YEAH in YO Fase, YOO SEE DAT!?"

I see a major problem with just making anything easy enough so that anyone can do it. Whether its video games or graduating with a Masters Degree in Astrophysics from Harvard.People need to learn how to live with failure.

Hey I know, lets give all the kids at school trophies just for participating in sports.... AWWW! man, I hate all this "I'm a WINNER cuz I tried crap"

Hey kiddies..... if you want the game to play itself, go watch a cartoon... it's essentially the same thing.

I like being competitive with my gaming.... to me this kills that.

Kids in 5 years "YA, Im Da B3St @ doz vidio gamz, look @ me Go *presses one button*..... YEAH in YO Fase, YOO SEE DAT!?"

I see a major problem with just making anything easy enough so that anyone can do it. Whether its video games or graduating with a Masters Degree in Astrophysics from Harvard.People need to learn how to live with failure.

Hey I know, lets give all the kids at school trophies just for participating in sports.... AWWW! man, I hate all this "I'm a WINNER cuz I tried crap"

whatisazerg

So you would rather them make an easier game, that you would undoubtedly flame for being "teh casualz", than them making a hard game, with an option for casual players to get through difficult parts?

Logic fail.

[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

Hey kiddies..... if you want the game to play itself, go watch a cartoon... it's essentially the same thing.

I like being competitive with my gaming.... to me this kills that.

Kids in 5 years "YA, Im Da B3St @ doz vidio gamz, look @ me Go *presses one button*..... YEAH in YO Fase, YOO SEE DAT!?"

I see a major problem with just making anything easy enough so that anyone can do it. Whether its video games or graduating with a Masters Degree in Astrophysics from Harvard.People need to learn how to live with failure.

Hey I know, lets give all the kids at school trophies just for participating in sports.... AWWW! man, I hate all this "I'm a WINNER cuz I tried crap"

RoCkStaR_EnGaGe

Dude if I could punch in the face right now I would :evil: It is an OPTIONAL feature if you dont wanna use it then don't!

No you wouldn't... you only say that because you aren't here, if you were here, all you'd say is "I disagree", most likely you'd just nod and pretend to agree politely.

Hey kiddies..... if you want the game to play itself, go watch a cartoon... it's essentially the same thing.

I like being competitive with my gaming.... to me this kills that.

Kids in 5 years "YA, Im Da B3St @ doz vidio gamz, look @ me Go *presses one button*..... YEAH in YO Fase, YOO SEE DAT!?"

I see a major problem with just making anything easy enough so that anyone can do it. Whether its video games or graduating with a Masters Degree in Astrophysics from Harvard.People need to learn how to live with failure.

Hey I know, lets give all the kids at school trophies just for participating in sports.... AWWW! man, I hate all this "I'm a WINNER cuz I tried crap"

whatisazerg

To be honest, before you insult a game for being too child friendly and babish, maybe you should exercise some adult reading and research skills and educate yourself on the topic you're talking about. You look silly right now.

It won't become standard.OreoMilkshake

[QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

Hey kiddies..... if you want the game to play itself, go watch a cartoon... it's essentially the same thing.

I like being competitive with my gaming.... to me this kills that.

Kids in 5 years "YA, Im Da B3St @ doz vidio gamz, look @ me Go *presses one button*..... YEAH in YO Fase, YOO SEE DAT!?"

I see a major problem with just making anything easy enough so that anyone can do it. Whether its video games or graduating with a Masters Degree in Astrophysics from Harvard.People need to learn how to live with failure.

Hey I know, lets give all the kids at school trophies just for participating in sports.... AWWW! man, I hate all this "I'm a WINNER cuz I tried crap"

TaMuK711

So you would rather them make an easier game, that you would undoubtedly flame for being "teh casualz", than them making a hard game, with an option for casual players to get through difficult parts?

Logic fail.

making things up and then attempting to use them as points to discredit my post = logic fail.

I'd like to tell you your 1st mistake was (in red). Where did I say I wanted them to make an easier game?

But, in fact, your 1st mistake was clicking "new message"