Game Demo in New Super Mario Bros Wii will become standard like saving

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] Developers shouldn't have to suck up to those people.sonicthemegaman

Developers do whatever they can to make the game more accessible to consumers. If casual gamers don't want to do a certain level, then they can just skip it. Veterans can play it at their own leisure. The game isn't forcing you to skip certain points.

It's similar to changing the difficulty halfway through a game to get past a certain point, like what I used to do when I was playing on a high difficulty, and couldn't finish that certain level.

Once I had finished the playthrough, I would try to repeat it at a higher difficulty, because by then, I would have become more knowledgeable of the game.

Based on what? You're not in any position to make statements like that.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"] Developers shouldn't have to suck up to those people.sonicthemegaman

Developers do whatever they can to make the game more accessible to consumers. If casual gamers don't want to do a certain level, then they can just skip it. Veterans can play it at their own leisure. The game isn't forcing you to skip certain points.

It's similar to changing the difficulty halfway through a game to get past a certain point, like what I used to do when I was playing on a high difficulty, and couldn't finish that certain level.

Once I had finished the playthrough, I would try to repeat it at a higher difficulty, because by then, I would have become more knowledgeable of the game.

Who made you THE ONE to determine games are accessible enough? The Big N obviously thinks you are wrong. I can't see this optional feature stopping any of the hard core hatemonger gamers from buying it if they already planned to. I can see many of the "new crowd" gamers giving up on a game 100% if it's to hard for them. Then they walk away with the attitude that it was too FRUSTRATING and may not purchase any more "core" games.

What this comes down to is a bunch of closed minded "Gamers" pissed off that the rest of the world is going to be able to see a game's ending without putting in the effort that they did.

Bragging rights.

Woop Dee Doo. Who ****ing cares if a 7 year old girls gets to see the end of a game! Damn her! She's not elite like my 28 year old self! She dont deserve it because I said so!!!!!!!

Waaaaaah. Cry Cry Cry. Chalk another notch on the tree for gamers being one of the most whiny groups of little ******* on the web.

Developers shouldn't be trying to appeal to these people whatsoever. FloWeN-UK

Fact: If using it is completely optional, you have no right to complain about it's existence.

ITT: people who don't know the definition of optional.

here's a tip...do your research before whining like a little fanboy.

I remember reading about this in the Sept issue of Game Informer. Ok, that's cool for Nintendo I just hope I don't see it in the real consoles.

[QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"]Developers shouldn't be trying to appeal to these people whatsoever. IronBass

[QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"]Developers shouldn't be trying to appeal to these people whatsoever. IronBass

Videogames are trivial? Get out.

If people like you had their way we wouldn't be able to get games like Shadow of the Colossus or Demons Souls because they don't appeal to noobs.

These so called "innovative" ideas don't promote fun, they promote laziness. It's too bad sheep are too deluded to see that. Miyamoto, this so called gaming mastermind isn't bringing gaming too new heights he's taking it down to rock bottom, changing it into a toy and making it shallow. Mario has ALWAYS been about it's fun challanging platformer gameplay, that was it's core. All these dumb ideas to make the game easier, how can any Mario fan possibly approve?

This has nothing to do with bragging rights. Your just feeding lazy gamers and making them more lazy. Developers shouldn't be trying to appeal to these people whatsoever. Thats not where great ideas and good games come from.

FloWeN-UK

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"]Developers shouldn't be trying to appeal to these people whatsoever. FloWeN-UK

Videogames are trivial? Get out.GiantMuffin

If people like you had their way we wouldn't be able to get games like Shadow of the Colossus or Demons Souls because they don't appeal to noobs.GiantMuffin

[QUOTE="GiantMuffin"]Videogames are trivial? Get out.IronBass

If people like you had their way we wouldn't be able to get games like Shadow of the Colossus or Demons Souls because they don't appeal to noobs.GiantMuffin

If Wii Play costs 500k to make, and sells 20 million.

And Demons Souls cost 5 million to make and sells 1 million.

Games like Wii Play will be made more often, and ones like Demons Souls won't.

The End. Case Closed. Open Shut Case. Game Over. He's down for the count. And that's the ballgame. Michael Phelps has done it again.

[QUOTE="GiantMuffin"]Videogames are trivial? Get out.IronBass

Are you one of the one's who doesn't think videogames can be art?

These so called "innovative" ideas don't promote fun, they promote laziness. It's too bad sheep are too deluded to see that. Miyamoto, this so called gaming mastermind isn't bringing gaming too new heights he's taking it down to rock bottom, changing it into a toy and making it shallow. Mario has ALWAYS been about it's fun challanging platformer gameplay, that was it's core. All these dumb ideas to make the game easier, how can any Mario fan possibly approve?

This has nothing to do with bragging rights. Your just feeding lazy gamers and making them more lazy. Developers shouldn't be trying to appeal to these people whatsoever. Thats not where great ideas and good games come from.

FloWeN-UK

I laugh at the whole "promote laziness" part. Pardon me, but all you do when you play games is sit on your couch and look at the screen, right? How is this different? You make no sense. You're still failing to comprehend that it's an optional feature and that if you don't plan of using it at all, then this shouldn't concern you. Some gamers would prefer to keep the experience consistent, very enjoyable, and less frustrating and ultimately that's what video games are all about, and that's what this feature is striving for. Mario games have never been that difficult aside from Sunshine, and hell, from the previews this game is supposed to be pretty difficult. Stop with this elitism and stop caring about how other people enjoy their game. Really, do you honestly expect that all of the casual gamers are just going to let the computer play for them? They bought the game, to play the game. Simple as that.

Honestly, the crap that some of the people say here is beyond absurd. I don't even think half of the people complaining actually know what the Super Guide is.

[QUOTE="FloWeN-UK"]

These so called "innovative" ideas don't promote fun, they promote laziness. It's too bad sheep are too deluded to see that. Miyamoto, this so called gaming mastermind isn't bringing gaming too new heights he's taking it down to rock bottom, changing it into a toy and making it shallow. Mario has ALWAYS been about it's fun challanging platformer gameplay, that was it's core. All these dumb ideas to make the game easier, how can any Mario fan possibly approve?

This has nothing to do with bragging rights. Your just feeding lazy gamers and making them more lazy. Developers shouldn't be trying to appeal to these people whatsoever. Thats not where great ideas and good games come from.

mo0ksi

I laugh at the whole "promote laziness" part. Pardon me, but all you do when you play games is sit on your couch and look at the screen, right? How is this different? You make no sense. You're still failing to comprehend that it's an optional feature and that if you don't plan of using it at all, then this shouldn't concern you. Some gamers would prefer to keep the experience consistent, very enjoyable, and less frustrating and ultimately that's what video games are all about, and that's what this feature is striving for. Mario games have never been that difficult aside from Sunshine, and hell, from the previews this game is supposed to be pretty difficult. Stop with this elitism and stop caring about how other people enjoy their game. Really, do you honestly expect that all of the casual gamers are just going to let the computer play for them? They bought the game, to play the game. Simple as that.

Honestly, the crap that some of the people say here is beyond absurd.

I remember reading about this in the Sept issue of Game Informer. Ok, that's cool for Nintendo I just hope I don't see it in the real consoles.

gregbmil

[QUOTE="gregbmil"]

I remember reading about this in the Sept issue of Game Informer. Ok, that's cool for Nintendo I just hope I don't see it in the real consoles.

Willy105

Incase you haven't noticed most of the planet is very very stupid.

Or atleast most of America. (I'm American btw)

Games like Wii Play will be made more often, and ones like Demons Souls won't.GiantMuffin

Are you one of the one's who doesn't think videogames can be art?GiantMuffin

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="gregbmil"]

I remember reading about this in the Sept issue of Game Informer. Ok, that's cool for Nintendo I just hope I don't see it in the real consoles.

GiantMuffin

Incase you haven't noticed most of the planet is very very stupid.

Or atleast most of America. (I'm American btw)

Great, we're arguing over an optional videogame feature that doesn't affect your gameplay nor forces you to use it. What's the big deal about it?waffle57

Correct.

People who can't see the use of this are like people who can't see the use of having basketball hoops at lower heights so kids can play too, and actually get the ball up by the rim. Sure, we could have 5 year old basketball games with 10' hoops that end up tied 0-0 ... but the point is play and fun, and if some people cannot handle the standard difficulty - after 8 failed attempts - they have an option, JUST an option, to get help.

Sheesh, cheat codes exist for tons of games ... and differ minimally from this concept. Same with game guides, youtube walkthroughs ... people have been getting help for games for a heck of a long time now, and plenty use cheats. Why is it offensive to add a Super Guide to replace the prior methods of dealing with game difficulty?

Difficult games are becoming a smaller niche in the gaming market. Should it progress to be a smaller and smaller niche ... or should all games be hard, some giving a helping hand or provide a walkthrough?

I'd prefer all games be hard, with help for those who get stuck. That gets us the games we want, and allows newer or less devoted gamers to play them, understand what it takes, and gets us our high-production-value games at difficulties we prefer. Seems like a win-win situation to me.

Evidently other folks would prefer difficult gaming becoming a small niche group, with less and less offered to them [as sales of accessible but difficult games will no doubt dwarf difficult-no-help games]. If a game I like offers a Super Guide, and can sell millions ... I prefer that to selling barely a million and perhaps not getting a sequel or any further developments down that line. Do we want mostly Wii Play type titles, or do we want difficult titles that offer options to help those who get stuck? IMO, a no brainer.

This feature is going to ruin gaming! It's almost like creating a game where you have infinite lives or can't die or ship with cheat codes. If there were games like that, they would totally suck. Oh wait, there ARE already games like that.

didn't Alone in the Dark have something like that? Nintendo obviously didn't invent it...

didn't Alone in the Dark have something like that? Nintendo obviously didn't invent it...

Pdiddy105

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[QUOTE="sonicthemegaman"]That's terrible. If it's too difficult to finish, you can just skip over it? That's basically ignoring game design flaws assuming theu aren't just doimg this for casual gamers. If the later, then it pretty much proves Nintendo dropped the hardcore crowd, at least to some extend. I mean multiple difficulty levels are there for a reason. Hard games need to be hard. Easy games should be easy. I guess considering NSMB co-op gameplay, this could be good but as a standard, it just nerfs games to high hell. Say goodbye to challenging gameplay if that happens.sonicthemegaman

Well, making different levels of difficulites in a platform games would rather nigh difficult. Not immposibble, but rather very diffcult. So far, I haven't seen any level of difficulties in a true platform game, especially 2D....i mean, what you going to do? Make the hole bigger? Enemies that take two stomps to kill? Or...what?

And besides, as so many said, this is an OPTION, and it will only appear after you die 8 times...By that time, the game usually ceases to be fun...It's more frustration by then......

True on that too!

Again, first time running through NSMB2 Wii, I will not be using this feature. I'm not that type of guy. But still, no matter how well designed the stages are or even the game, if you rachet the game's diffculty too much, there will be only the extreme 10% of people who will complete it. Show me someone who truly have completed Ninja Gaiden or F-Zero series games on hard difficulty...Not many (and I'm not among them). The reason is simple. Unless you are a glutton for punishment, then these type of games are simply a mindless frustration, even though the game are well designed! Again, I could speak from expereiences that there are very few people who truly can get up the castle roof without grabbing a single star in Super Mario 64or can get all 8 red coins in Rainbow Road in MArio 64 with only 2 lives......You have to go through SHEER frustration of dying and dying, trying and trying until your thumb bleed before you are successful.....Even when a game is well designed, it seizes to be fun when you have to die 20 times just to get past a single super difficult spot (that's when you are feeling like the perverted designer put that spot there just to mess with you!) ! Now, again, first time through NSMB Wii, I don't do it. But second time? You bet cha a$$ I will use it! I just don't have the time anymore to die 20 times just to get past a level!

Wow, a game that plays itself?

whats next? regenerating health? Infinite continues? Checkpoints every ten steps?

Oh wait :?

People are still claiming this as a game changer? This is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you suck that much at a game, play Nintendogs or some stupid ****.