GameSpot: PS4 and Xbone power difference closer than PS3 and 360

Sounds about right. Probably why Drive Club looks garbage compared to Forza 5. Both in similar powered hardware, but Turn10 >>> Evolution

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

If I'm a fanboy, then are delusional to think that, and you are also delusional to think that the Quantum Break E3 demo was actual XB1 hardware :roll:

dream431ca

Devkit =/= XB1 hardware.

Can you provide a link and show us what kind of specs that devkit had?

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]I_can_haz

Not a game

Not showing gameplay of an actual game being made is not the same as showing a tech demo to show off technology

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] Except I just posted a link from the developer confirming that the game was running on Xbox One devkit. ShoulderOfOrion

Devkit =/= XB1 hardware.

Can you provide a link and show us what kind of specs that devkit had?

He never said same specs :lol:

Stop quoting all of those pictures you mushroom tips.Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] Except I just posted a link from the developer confirming that the game was running on Xbox One devkit. Ninja-Hippo

Devkit =/= XB1 hardware.

Can you provide a link and show us what kind of specs that devkit had?

Devkits are testing platforms for the consoles, you may or may not get the same performance from the devkits to the actual console hardware. I doubt very much that Quantum Break will perform that well on a real XB1 (If I'm wrong you can internet punch me :P )

Lol Lemspot, the ultimale lemming security blanket. Why is this site so obsessed with British guys, btw? Playstation doesn't use opengl, btw. They use a proprietary toolset partly based on it.Mandingo101

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

If I'm a fanboy, then are delusional to think that, and you are also delusional to think that the Quantum Break E3 demo was actual XB1 hardware :roll:

dream431ca

Devkit =/= XB1 hardware.

Can you provide a link and show us what kind of specs that devkit had?

a Dev Kit has the same Cpu and GPU and all that. The only thing that is different is the RAM. Dev Kits usually have more RAM.

And that is confirmed by several Devs... ( Jonothan Blow on Twitter for example...)

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Devkit =/= XB1 hardware.

Can you provide a link and show us what kind of specs that devkit had?

dream431ca

Devkits are testing platforms for the consoles, you may or may not get the same performance from the devkits to the actual console hardware. I doubt very much that Quantum Break will perform that well on a real XB1 (If I'm wrong you can internet punch me :P )

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

GameSpot spin 101, how not to upset Microsoft: "similar architecture and same amount of teh RAM means they will have similar power" (paraphrased)

PS4 being 1.8Tflops and the Bone being 1.2Tflops is bigger than 360/PS3 difference, not closer.

Ly_the_Fairy

A Ford F-150 has three times as much horsepower as my car, and yet my car has a higher top speed.

Comparing technology performance based solely on "flops" is stupid. There are so many additional factors that can affect hardware performance.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] A devkit is just the console pre-packaged with debugging and development software you clown. Why the hell would the devkit produce games that the console cannot play?Ninja-Hippo

Devkits are testing platforms for the consoles, you may or may not get the same performance from the devkits to the actual console hardware. I doubt very much that Quantum Break will perform that well on a real XB1 (If I'm wrong you can internet punch me :P )

This. It always happens

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Not a game

seanmcloughlin

Not showing gameplay of an actual game being made is not the same as showing a tech demo to show off technology

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]

Show a PS4 game that looks better than this.

I_can_haz

That is no game, only a tech demo:|

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] A devkit is just the console pre-packaged with debugging and development software you clown. Why the hell would the devkit produce games that the console cannot play?Ninja-Hippo

Devkits are testing platforms for the consoles, you may or may not get the same performance from the devkits to the actual console hardware. I doubt very much that Quantum Break will perform that well on a real XB1 (If I'm wrong you can internet punch me :P )

Thanks, great to be here :P

Point is, going by those screens, Quantum Break is the best looking video game ever made. It's just mind boggling how good it looks. ShoulderOfOrion

And a PS4 Game to Match Quantum Break Graphics?

The Order 1886

CEO, Ready at Dawn:

We also strived to create a seamless experience when it came to the game. The idea was to make sure that you never saw any visual discrepancies or breaks in continuity between gameplay and cinematic. Our game models and our cinematic models are one and the same, and everything is rendered real time in the engine as you play the game. The trailer we presented is a great example of that. What you saw is running in-engine, in-game with no gimmicks. These visuals are what you can expect of the final game when you play it.

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]

Show a PS4 game that looks better than this.

Wiiyou

That is no game, only a tech demo:|

I dont care about console power, as long as they give me great exclusives. Heil68

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]Neither is what he posted :cool:. I didn't see any gameplay in Quantum Break demo.I_can_haz

Not showing gameplay of an actual game being made is not the same as showing a tech demo to show off technology

No, they're not the same. You just want them to be to fit your argument

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

GameSpot spin 101, how not to upset Microsoft: "similar architecture and same amount of teh RAM means they will have similar power" (paraphrased)

PS4 being 1.8Tflops and the Bone being 1.2Tflops is bigger than 360/PS3 difference, not closer.

I_can_haz

A Ford F-150 has three times as much horsepower as my car, and yet my car has a higher top speed.

Comparing technology performance based solely on "flops" is stupid. There are so many additional factors that can affect hardware performance.

You're still simply looking at numbers.

And I do know stuff about cars. That's exactly why I made the analogy.

Comparing the Xbox One and PS4 based on flops alone is like comparing two vehicles based on horsepower alone.

Just because the PS4 has 50% more flops does not translate to 50% more power. There are bottlenecks to account for, there are the custom hardware options like EDRAM to account for, the background applications, etc.

It could very well prove to be that the Xbox and PS4 have only a <10% difference in performance which is incredibly miniscule in the grand scheme of things.

Yes!The difference will be smaller than most people think. Most games will run at a higher resolution and framerate and maybe better textures on the PS4 compared to the xbox one 

I dont care about console power, as long as they give me great exclusives. Heil68

Sounds about right. Probably why Drive Club looks garbage compared to Forza 5. Both in similar powered hardware, but Turn10 >>> Evolution

RR360DD

Really.?

Baked lighting.

Baked car damage

No wheater or day to night real time chages.

Closed traks

on Forza 5

vs

Dynamic lighting

Real car deformatin,no 2 bumps are alike.

Dynmic wheater and day to night changes..

open world..

[QUOTE="Heil68"]I dont care about console power, as long as they give me great exclusives. 2ndWonder

Yeah agreed, cant wait to play Forza 5 :)

This is stupid. It's sad to see "professional" journalists with such a lack of hardware knowledge.

I feel like I will be posting this link many times whenever discussion of the two system's hardware comes up.

Sony gave the PS4 50% more raw shader performance, plain and simple (768 SPs @ 800MHz vs. 1152 SPs & 800MHz).

AnandTech

There you have it. 

I remember how this on 2006 was consider extremely impressive..

Flops is marketing speak and very little else. It's all theoretical power on paper. Look at the PS3; Sony made a decent argument that the thing was a damned super computer with terms of numbers on paper.Ninja-Hippo

 

You're still simply looking at numbers.

And I do know stuff about cars. That's exactly why I made the analogy.

Comparing the Xbox One and PS4 based on flops alone is like comparing two vehicles based on horsepower alone.

Just because the PS4 has 50% more flops does not translate to 50% more power. There are bottlenecks to account for, there are the custom hardware options like EDRAM to account for, the background applications, etc.

 

It could very well prove to be that the Xbox and PS4 have only a <10% difference in performance which is incredibly miniscule in the grand scheme of things.

Ly_the_Fairy

BS..

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=536

This are GCN from AMD we all know what they can do already,the difference is little bigger than the link i poste.

I like you car analogy this is like comparing an Hyunday Elantra PS4 vs Hyunday Accent xbox one,more horse power faster aceleration and higher top speed.

Flops is marketing speak and very little else. It's all theoretical power on paper. Look at the PS3; Sony made a decent argument that the thing was a damned super computer with terms of numbers on paper. When it comes down to what developers can actually get out of the box, Gamespot are probably right. The difference is smaller than ever. Neither company can afford for one to look substantially better than the other.Ninja-Hippo

It's not just theoretical. Just google benchmarks for 7770 and compare it to a 7850-7870 (PS4's GPU is in between them) And in most you'll see a 20fps + jump 

This is stupid. It's sad to see "professional" journalists with such a lack of hardware knowledge.

I feel like I will be posting this link many times whenever discussion of the two system's hardware comes up.

 

[quote="AnandTech"]

Sony gave the PS4 50% more raw shader performance, plain and simple (768 SPs @ 800MHz vs. 1152 SPs & 800MHz).

PinkiePirate

There you have it. 

And they did not count the 100% more ROP's and like 8 times as many ACES,and like 15 times more compute commands.

Did they count separate hardware as well like the extra ARM CPU on PS4,which would have to be counter on xbox one by using CPU time.?

Figures as much only nd will outshine x1 but so was tbe case last gen.   Sorry cows

both have games running at 1080p 60fps and games capable of 4k resolution. damn near every dev say it's extremely close and really nobody at sony has denied but. but f**k it, i'll listen to the fanboys instead :lol:

edited because a dick rider acting like he doesnt know what i was saying ctfu damn basement dwelling nerds.

both have games running at 1080p 60fps with 4k resolution. damn near every dev say it's extremely close and really nobody at sony has denied but. but f**k it, i'll listen to the fanboys instead :lol:

AD216

How the fu** you can have 1080p games with 4K resolution.?

:lol:

Thank god no one listen to you..

Show a PS4 game that looks better than this.

ShoulderOfOrion

[QUOTE="AD216"]

both have games running at 1080p 60fps with 4k resolution. damn near every dev say it's extremely close and really nobody at sony has denied but. but f**k it, i'll listen to the fanboys instead :lol:

tormentos

How the fu** you can have 1080p games with 4K resolution.?

:lol:

Thank god no one listen to you..

that Looks worse than god of war iii and that game is on ps3 :lol:I_AM_MEGATRON

That is odd, considering there was no gap between 360 and PS3. At least not in practice.

But good news for third party devs, if true.

[QUOTE="AD216"]

both have games running at 1080p 60fps with 4k resolution. damn near every dev say it's extremely close and really nobody at sony has denied but. but f**k it, i'll listen to the fanboys instead :lol:

tormentos

How the fu** you can have 1080p games with 4K resolution.?

:lol:

Thank god no one listen to you..

That is odd, considering there was no gap between 360 and PS3. At least not in practice.

But good news for third party devs, if true.

PAL360

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

This is stupid. It's sad to see "professional" journalists with such a lack of hardware knowledge.

I feel like I will be posting this link many times whenever discussion of the two system's hardware comes up.

 

[quote="AnandTech"]

Sony gave the PS4 50% more raw shader performance, plain and simple (768 SPs @ 800MHz vs. 1152 SPs & 800MHz).

tormentos

There you have it. 

And they did not count the 100% more ROP's and like 8 times as many ACES,and like 15 times more compute commands.

Did they count separate hardware as well like the extra ARM CPU on PS4,which would have to be counter on xbox one by using CPU time.?

Yep.

On your basic spec sheet, the Xbox One and PS4 look very similar, but Mark Cerny heavily modified the AMD SPU such as adding another bus to the GPU, and increasing the compute command limit to 64. With the much more capable Asynchronous Compute Engine, the PS4 is more future-proof than the X1.

The new bus allows the GPU to bypass its own L1+L2 cache and use the system memory at a faster rate than a PCIe 3.0 slot in a PC. 

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/154924-secrets-of-the-ps4-heavily-modified-radeon-supercharged-apu-design

I don't think very many people realize how much of an advantage the PS4 really has. 

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

 

Show me proof that was running on XB1 hardware and not PC.

dream431ca

So not XB1 hardware, got it.

All PS4 games were running on dev kits too. 

both have games running at 1080p 60fps and games capable of 4k resolution. damn near every dev say it's extremely close and really nobody at sony has denied but. but f**k it, i'll listen to the fanboys instead :lol:

edited because a dick rider acting like he doesnt know what i was saying ctfu damn basement dwelling nerds.

AD216

Even GS now spews bullshit.faizan_faizan

Even with 4GB of GDDR5, the PS4 would still outshine the X1 in a lot of respects due to the heavy modifications done to the SPU. And 4GB was what the PS4 was originally going to have. Sony just lucked out at the last minute in snatching newer higher-density chips.

[QUOTE="AD216"]

both have games running at 1080p 60fps and games capable of 4k resolution. damn near every dev say it's extremely close and really nobody at sony has denied but. but f**k it, i'll listen to the fanboys instead :lol:

edited because a dick rider acting like he doesnt know what i was saying ctfu damn basement dwelling nerds.

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