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#151 Vandalvideo
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Oh, so one's view upon whether or not something is a nuisance or not is not subjective? Interesting idea. Sure they can buy the game, they don't have to install it - they could just let it sit there on their desk for looks, eh? Oh well. Even if they do install it; let's say BF2, for example, let's see them try to play online - nope, can't. Need that dere' update. Again, could be considered a nuisance to some, may not be for YOU, but for some - it may. Again, subjectivityStevo_the_gamer
You keep stating it like its a fact. For the last time, updates are not a requirement, therefore shouldn't be used in any arguemetn complaining about the "problem" of PC gaming. If you hate installing updates so much, don't do it. Its as simple as that. Play vanilla. I'm still using the vanilla drivers and operating system service packs that came with my rig when I bought it TWO YEARS AGO. Don't like updating, DON'T DO IT. Its that simple. And besides, for those that do choose to update, I already addressed that. If you worry about updates so much just use xfire. It pre-caches ALL the updates for ANY games you may have installed for future use should you decide to use them, and requires about as much effort as doing nothing.
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#152 FrozenLiquid
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Hey guys, wanna play some CS 1.3? I've optioned not to update since I didn't like anything after 1.4. So, I'll set up and you can join my...... Wait, we have to update? :shock:
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#153 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Hey guys, wanna play some CS 1.3? I've optioned not to update since I didn't like anything after 1.4. So, I'll set up and you can join my...... Wait, we have to update? :shock:

Once again, like I've said to stevo. Should you CHOOSE to stay up to date, which you most certainly don't have to do, all your friends could be using vanilla, just leave xfire on. Heck I just looked at my xfire right now and I have 20 updates just sitting there saying "Hey Vandal, install me *puppy face*". I choose not to.
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#154 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Hey guys, wanna play some CS 1.3? I've optioned not to update since I didn't like anything after 1.4. So, I'll set up and you can join my...... Wait, we have to update? :shock:

Once again, like I've said to stevo. Should you CHOOSE to stay up to date, which you most certainly don't have to do, all your friends could be using vanilla, just leave xfire on. Heck I just looked at my xfire right now and I have 20 updates just sitting there saying "Hey Vandal, install me *puppy face*". I choose not to.

You can't play CS 1.3 online anymore. Simple as that.
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#155 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] You can't play CS 1.3 online anymore. Simple as that.

Hamachi. Never say can't.
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#156 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] You can't play CS 1.3 online anymore. Simple as that.

Hamachi. Never say can't.

Oh great, now another piece of software I need to do for what I want. I may as well just update the damn thing right? LMAO this is crazy. Dude, you were on a decline ever since your little Halo slip up.
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#157 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] Oh great, now another piece of software I needt to do for what I want. I may as well just update the damn thing right? LMAO this is crazy. Dude, you were on a decline ever since your little Halo slip up.

Isn't it great how you have that OPTION?
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#158 FrozenLiquid
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Steveo, two things you will learn from this thread: 1) Stubbornness is a virtue. 2) If no one else comes in with mutual feelings for your argument, you'll look like an incredible tool. 3) System Wars is old enough to have 'has-beens'.
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#159 Painballz
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] You can't play CS 1.3 online anymore. Simple as that.FrozenLiquid
Hamachi. Never say can't.

Oh great, now another piece of software I need to do for what I want. I may as well just update the damn thing right? LMAO this is crazy. Dude, you were on a decline ever since your little Halo slip up.

Stop complaining the update would be like a few mb and with STEAM your games update automatically

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#160 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] Oh great, now another piece of software I needt to do for what I want. I may as well just update the damn thing right? LMAO this is crazy. Dude, you were on a decline ever since your little Halo slip up.

Isn't it great how you have that OPTION?

No, sometimes I just like plugging in and playing. I don't like options. Options are overwhelming. :roll: I've got to get to class. Stevo, have fun while it lasts mate.
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#161 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] No, sometimes I just like plugging in and playing. I don't like options. Options are overwhelming. :roll: I've got to get to class. Stevo, have fun while it lasts mate.

Oh please, plugging and playing, as i've already shown, is hardly any less time consuming when all things are said and done. If you have the gaul to complain about a three minute installation and AUTOMATIC UPDATES that are optional, then you should stand back for a second and put it into perspective. These are minor things that can be avoided. Thats why the PC is such a great platform. Don't like updates? Don't update. Installations have their benefits and can save just as much time as they take away. Its important to look at both sides of the equation here.
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#162 Shrinekeeper
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wow to think I actually read through all 8 pages of this incredible nonsense. I feel my brain slowly oozing out of my ears. It would seem that every time Painballz starts a thread the same people respond to it. Don't you think he knows this and is probably just trying to get as many replies as he can to "level" up is profile? I'm not sure who is the more "mature" (sarcasm) one. The one starting the thread daily or the people who continue to reply to it knowing that it does no good.
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#163 f50p90
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The general public probably doesn't even know mainstream video games are made for PCs
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#164 insanejedi
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Okay... I used to be a hardcore PC gamer but things have changed. I bought a 360 over a new pimped out PC because of the all the hassle and mess of dealing with buying, building, setting up, and troubleshooting a PC.

With a console you plug it in to a TV (or computer monitor if you got component cables) it runs, it works, i put in a game, it doesn't even need to setup or anything (save for DMC4 and GTA4) I can then hit the start button an go straight to the game.

With a PC, I had to plan it out. I had to take a whole list of... Okay this is the graphics card I want, this is the motherboard this is the CPU I want, this is the RAM, this is the hard drive, the power supply. Is it enough power? Do I have enough fans? Will everything work together? Does this motherboard have enough RAM slots? Is it SLI ready? Will Vista do okay? What Vista version should I get? And after those nightmares are done you have to set it up involving. Are the drivers right? Do these drivers work better or worse then older drivers? Will it crash my games? And after that's done you have to look at the games. Will Vista run it okay? Will it do okay with my graphics card, CPU, and ram? Will the frame rate hold up? Do I have to sacrifice quality?Do I have enough space? Is the copy protection going to break my system? And after buying the game… Argh, sound error, how do I fix it? I keep freezing up. Frame rates not holding up. Whats wrong?

In all, getting a PC and playing games on it is a logistical nightmare as all these factors take part in your experience in the game itself, and it's no wonder that more and more people are moving over to console gaming because of how complicated the situation is for a PC, it's better to go the simpler route and go buy a console and plug it in, because there is an omission to many of these factors. It doesint matter that i can have an extra row of pixles in Call of Duty 4, i just want to hit the button and shoot dudes in the face.

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#165 Bebi_vegeta
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Okay... I used to be a hardcore PC gamer but things have changed. I bought a 360 over a new pimped out PC because of the all the hassle and mess of dealing with buying, building, setting up, and troubleshooting a PC.

With a console you plug it in to a TV (or computer monitor if you got component cables) it runs, it works, i put in a game, it doesn't even need to setup or anything (save for DMC4 and GTA4) I can then hit the start button an go straight to the game.

With a PC, I had to plan it out. I had to take a whole list of... Okay this is the graphics card I want, this is the motherboard this is the CPU I want, this is the RAM, this is the hard drive, the power supply. Is it enough power? Do I have enough fans? Will everything work together? Does this motherboard have enough RAM slots? Is it SLI ready? Will Vista do okay? What Vista version should I get? And after those nightmares are done you have to set it up involving. Are the drivers right? Do these drivers work better or worse then older drivers? Will it crash my games? And after that's done you have to look at the games. Will Vista run it okay? Will it do okay with my graphics card, CPU, and ram? Will the frame rate hold up? Do I have to sacrifice quality?Do I have enough space? Is the copy protection going to break my system? And after buying the game… Argh, sound error, how do I fix it? I keep freezing up. Frame rates not holding up. Whats wrong?

In all, getting a PC and playing games on it is a logistical nightmare as all these factors take part in your experience in the game itself, and it's no wonder that more and more people are moving over to console gaming because of how complicated the situation is for a PC, it's better to go the simpler route and go buy a console and plug it in, because there is an omission to many of these factors. It doesint matter that i can have an extra row of pixles in Call of Duty 4, i just want to hit the button and shoot dudes in the face.

insanejedi

When you buy a TV or monitor ... do you plan before geting it or do you buy any TV. I guess you inform yourself before buying no?

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#166 linkin_guy109
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oh for the love of god.......seriously your giving pc gamers a bad name, lots of them coexists with consoleites just nice, but you.....not so much
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#167 jangojay
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Wow painballz should get an award for epic trolling. (Mods please don't ban me for using the word troll again.) Anyway.......you are right that the general public isn't very aware or know much of PC gaming.
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#168 rgame1
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they said it cos they dont like pc gaming as does so many other gamers.
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#169 FrozenLiquid
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] No, sometimes I just like plugging in and playing. I don't like options. Options are overwhelming. :roll: I've got to get to class. Stevo, have fun while it lasts mate.

Oh please, plugging and playing, as i've already shown, is hardly any less time consuming when all things are said and done. If you have the gaul to complain about a three minute installation and AUTOMATIC UPDATES that are optional, then you should stand back for a second and put it into perspective. These are minor things that can be avoided. Thats why the PC is such a great platform. Don't like updates? Don't update. Installations have their benefits and can save just as much time as they take away. Its important to look at both sides of the equation here.

No Vandal, I just want to plug and play. That's it. No "ifs, buts, or maybes". I just want to plug and play. Unconditional. Done. Finito. :roll: Boy are you are piece of work.
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#170 lowe0
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] Oh great, now another piece of software I needt to do for what I want. I may as well just update the damn thing right? LMAO this is crazy. Dude, you were on a decline ever since your little Halo slip up.Vandalvideo
Isn't it great how you have that OPTION?

Not really, no. It adds complexity without adding value. What's so great about that?
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#171 jaisimar_chelse
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they said it cos they dont like pc gaming as does so many other gamers.rgame1

oh teh noes what 2 du

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#172 jaisimar_chelse
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] No, sometimes I just like plugging in and playing. I don't like options. Options are overwhelming. :roll: I've got to get to class. Stevo, have fun while it lasts mate.Vandalvideo
Oh please, plugging and playing, as i've already shown, is hardly any less time consuming when all things are said and done. If you have the gaul to complain about a three minute installation and AUTOMATIC UPDATES that are optional, then you should stand back for a second and put it into perspective. These are minor things that can be avoided. Thats why the PC is such a great platform. Don't like updates? Don't update. Installations have their benefits and can save just as much time as they take away. Its important to look at both sides of the equation here.

meh, who doesnt update ?

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#173 PandaBear86
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[QUOTE="Painballz"]

Yes, its because your PC is perfectly capable of playing it at low settings, 800x600 res

lowe0

Nice try. It's a E6750/8800GT. Granted, the 8800GT has been a huge disappointment, but not that huge.

Just because I no longer feel the need to rattle off a list of hardware in my sig doesn't mean I don't have a decent PC.

8800GT = huge dissapointment? Lol. That card has best bang for the buck. It costs much less than a Wii and can beat ANY consoles graphics.

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#174 the1stfandb
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The general public probably doesn't even know mainstream video games are made for PCsf50p90

Thats actually true........Accept for Half life and wow. People just don't seem to get it there needs to be more ad campaigns they had some for pc games back in 04, I was so suprised to see doom 3 poping up on my television.

Painballz is a troll but he does have a bit of a point this time.

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#175 skrat_01
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Kids @ school =/= general public.

But that logic, all my friends who own COD4 on PC know it looks better than the 360 version = the general public.

Pretty much the majority of 'gamers' at my former school were PC gamers, though many owned secondary consoles (360s and a few Wiis). So I gues that = the general public too.

Point is primary examples dont = everyone.

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#176 Dahaka-UK
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More importantly though. Why the hell do you have your PCs entrails all over you computer desk with no PC case to protect it? Are you mad?

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#177 skrat_01
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No, sometimes I just like plugging in and playing. I don't like options. Options are overwhelming. :roll: I've got to get to class. Stevo, have fun while it lasts mate.FrozenLiquid
Unfortunatly 'plug and play' is almost a thing of the past in the console world aswell.

I still have friends bugging me how to 'setup Xbox Live', and configure the 360s 'network settings' correctly. Not to mention game patches. Hell I had a friend who recently bought a 360 just for GTA IV - and was trying to figure out which 360 was most appropriate for his needs, and after purcasing a pro, he was confused with the different types of cable and resolutions.

Of course once you setup your console and go through everything you put the disk in and play. Just like on a PC, you click on your desktop icon and play. Each have updates, each have errors, the PC being a computer means it will of course have much more issues, but what computer doesent. Too say consoles are free of it is false, and its only going to get more completecated next gen.

At least Nintendo still try to stick to the console simplicity advantage.

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#178 MadExponent
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[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Off-screen camera shots add anti-aliasing and resolution which results in an overall better image quality:D

Looks like garbage yes!

Painballz

Nice try, it says COD4 Modern warfare logo on the top right.

Its not yours

This is the real Deal from my PC

lol you are making me want to post screens from my machine 1920x1080 16x AA 16x AF + Highest Quality LOD settings @ driver level. Looks pretty good if I do say so myself. I'm at work perhaps if I remember to I will post screens when I get home.

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#179 MadExponent
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[QUOTE="Painballz"]4foxhound_fox

Ah, so using your logic that makes you more of a pirate than me.

These are all the games I have purchased for PC since January:

  • Audiosurf
  • Doom Complete Pack
    • The Ultimate Doom
    • Doom II: Hell on Earth
    • Doom II: Final Doom
    • Master Levels of Doom II
    • Doom 3
    • Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil
  • Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines
  • Deus Ex
  • Deus Ex: Invisible War
  • Max Payne
  • Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne


Counted separately that is twelve games... but I'll be nice and call it five since the Doom games, Deus Ex games and Max Payne games came bundled together.

Not that those games are bad, but dude those games are old. I bet the 4 games he bought are new AAA PC games.

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#180 MadExponent
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[QUOTE="Painballz"]

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]So PainBallz, why do you have a q9450? Do you do video editing/endcoding? Or something envolving media creation?Pro_wrestler

Dude, I game.

Thats why

Why would you get a q9450 over a q6600?

ROFL...the Q9 series chips are much better than the q6600. They do more work per clock and they overclock higher.

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#181 mrjam0
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again? so annoying
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#182 FrozenLiquid
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I still have friends bugging me how to 'setup Xbox Live', and configure the 360s 'network settings' correctly. Not to mention game patches.

skrat_01
Not that I disagree but I really don't know where your friend got mixed up. Since all your friends apparently know that CoD 4 looks much better and is better on the PC, we should presume that they know a thing or two about computers and technology, and even more so network configurations since CoD generally equates to online gaming. Secondly, he shouldn't have confused himself with the 'different' types of cables because quite honestly I'm so lazy I get my sister to set up the 360 while I pretend to do something else. So if my 12 year old sister can connect what is at max two cables, one having three colour-coded connecting thingys, I really don't want to say aloud what I think of your friend. Though I do not think he is actually that stupid, and you may have decided to throw in a little creative liberty in your reproduction of the event, am I right?

As for connecting to XBL, my best mate who's clueless about computer technology did it all by himself without any tech help. Not sure how, but he did. So that's another question to the authenticity of your anecdote or your friend's ability to read the instruction booklet.

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#183 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

I still have friends bugging me how to 'setup Xbox Live', and configure the 360s 'network settings' correctly. Not to mention game patches.

FrozenLiquid
Not that I disagree but I really don't know where your friend got mixed up. Since all your friends apparently know that CoD 4 looks much better and is better on the PC, we should presume that they know a thing or two about computers and technology, and even more so network configurations since CoD generally equates to online gaming. Secondly, he shouldn't have confused himself with the 'different' types of cables because quite honestly I'm so lazy I get my sister to set up the 360 while I pretend to do something else. So if my 12 year old sister can connect what is at max two cables, one having three colour-coded connecting thingys, I really don't want to say aloud what I think of your friend. Though I do not think he is actually that stupid, and you may have decided to throw in a little creative liberty in your reproduction of the event, am I right?

As for connecting to XBL, my best mate who's clueless about computer technology did it all by himself without any tech help. Not sure how, but he did. So that's another question to the authenticity of your anecdote or your friend's ability to read the instruction booklet.

That friend is most certainly a PC gamer, even though he wasent from my former school, and yes im not fibbing, he asked me all that - over Xfire. Hell he plays far more PC games than I do.

And yes he didnt have a clue about Xbox Live, how to set it up, configure network settings, or which 360 to buy. And yes he knows his Windows and PC bits and jargon completely, though he hardly ever touches consoles.

Sure if got other examples that are similar or contradict, but that is really not the point.

Our examples are just primary, all im trying to say is that the ease per platform really just depends on the user themselves. Even what is deemed the most simple or has a greater ease of use can be complex to first get the hang of, such as going from a Windows OS to OSX.

That and as I said before, consoles are getting more complex as their technology advances closer to that in a normal computer, which does open up a world of issues.

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#184 h575309
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this is all just nitpicking. i have all gaming outlets at my disposal so i cant complain. i tend to play 360 more than anything even though i would like to get back to playing crysis. sometimes i just prefer having a wireless controller in my hand playing on my big screen tv. and yes i know you can hook up your pc to your tv blah blah. just a matter of preference i guess. nothing is better than the other. yes my pc can do better graphics and run crysis but thats the only pc game ive bought in ages. and for some reason it got boring real quick not sure why.
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#185 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] Oh great, now another piece of software I needt to do for what I want. I may as well just update the damn thing right? LMAO this is crazy. Dude, you were on a decline ever since your little Halo slip up.lowe0
Isn't it great how you have that OPTION?

Not really, no. It adds complexity without adding value. What's so great about that?

Its not complexity if its optional. besides, downloading a simple program takes all of two minutes. OMG TWO MINUTES.
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#186 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] No Vandal, I just want to plug and play. That's it. No "ifs, buts, or maybes". I just want to plug and play. Unconditional. Done. Finito. :roll: Boy are you are piece of work.

Oh please, you're acting like the PC is some complex beast that requires an exhaustive ammount of time to enjoy. You're completely ignoring the time saving benefits of installations and complaining about short, 3 minute installations and AUTOMATIC PATCHES that are neither frequent or rquired.
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#187 hongkingkong
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Again here to post how great PC is and how bad consoles/consoleites are. Are you that insecure about yourself or PC games that you have to make so many console bash/PC love threads?SpruceCaboose

he has a point..why post this??? does it matter what they think??most of my friends go wow whenever they see me play on pc..

You must be unfamiliar with Paintballz posting history.

i dunno some of his posts make sense if you filter out the bias paintballz has a good point sometimes.

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#188 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Again here to post how great PC is and how bad consoles/consoleites are. Are you that insecure about yourself or PC games that you have to make so many console bash/PC love threads?hongkingkong

he has a point..why post this??? does it matter what they think??most of my friends go wow whenever they see me play on pc..

You must be unfamiliar with Paintballz posting history.

i dunno some of his posts make sense if you filter out the bias paintballz has a good point sometimes.

True.

I wouldent stick him in the Saolin or Wok7 category imo.