give me 5 facts why you say xbox live is better than psn

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#1 ENDOT12123
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TELL ME ABOUT ONLINE GAMEPLAY NOT DEMOS,ARCADE GAMES,MOVIES,TWITTER....NONE OF THAT BUT HOW IT PLAYS ONLINE i want fact and i dont wanna know bout twitter or face book as i can get them on a ps3 if i wanted, also with video rental i dont wanna know bout it, people always say online is better on 360 but when i play a 360 online then play a ps3 online i dont see any differnce,,

online play is the same

PS3 and 360

can play with friends invite/join

create/join/matchmaking

can voice chat in game ( xbox has the upper hand i no with private ingame chat but thats the only difference)

i have good internet so i dont get any lag no matter what console

the gameplay experience is the same the online experience is the same,

(jus wish more people had mics on ps3 maybe) every1 on my 360 has a mic

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#2 kolkov01
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integraded MSN messenger is my favourite part about Xbox live, playing and talking on the messenger at the same time is a win for me

I also like the fact that everyone has a mic on xbox Live

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#3 tehsystemwarior
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-Cross game Chat -Free games, 1 vs. 100, and some racing game coming -better intergrated community -MUCH better layout -Easy to use.
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#4 ActicEdge
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Booooooooooo, over done topic is oover done

Can we move on from this trivial comparison? They are both fine services. End of story.

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#5 enterawesome
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Cross game chat

More and better Arcade games

Larger community (basically easier to find a match)

Everyone has a mic

Lots of little features, like Netflix, Twitter, Facebook, 1 v. 100, etc

Happy now?

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#6 gamefan67
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1) Because lems say it is. 2) Pay to play 3) Cross game chat (for now) 4) Halo 5) I dont think there really are 5 reasons.
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#7 ColdfireTrilogy
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i dont own an xbox nor do i care for one but you forgot a bit one: Player count the amount of players on Live is much higher than that of PSN ... that means multiplat games will last online that much longer. For example, GTAIV for PS3 is almost dead online and its never a full game anymore really. My friends 360 in our basement hes always on there joining right into full games. etc etc. I like PSN but it does have some faults, even if they arent really faults at all.
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#8 Kickinurass
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The only one I can think of is cross-game chat/ party system. But as far as features goes, it's one Sony should have copied sooner rather than later.

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#9 ENDOT12123
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Cross game chat

More and better Arcade games

Larger community (basically easier to find a match)

Everyone has a mic

Lots of little features, like Netflix, Twitter, Facebook, 1 v. 100, etc

Happy now?

enterawesome

not really i want to know why its better to PLAY online i dont care bout arcade games/twitter/netflix etc thats not online gameplay

and its not even that much larger community nowdays if you see the stats n facts you will no what im talking bout, so im still waiting for a valid answer

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#10 kolkov01
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[QUOTE="enterawesome"]

Cross game chat

More and better Arcade games

Larger community (basically easier to find a match)

Everyone has a mic

Lots of little features, like Netflix, Twitter, Facebook, 1 v. 100, etc

Happy now?

ENDOT12123

not really i want to know why its better to PLAY online i dont care bout arcade games/twitter/netflix etc thats not online gameplay

and its not even that much larger community nowdays if you see the stats n facts you will no what im talking bout, so im still waiting for a valid answer

his answer was valid he told you why he things Xbox live is better
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#11 ENDOT12123
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integraded MSN messenger is my favourite part about Xbox live, playing and talking on the messenger at the same time is a win for me

I also like the fact that everyone has a mic on xbox Live

kolkov01

i have msn on my pc :) i dont ever use it on my xbox its annoys me cuz i talk alot on msn.

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#12 PAL360
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1 - far more games on Xbla than on PSN

2 - demos for every game

3 - faster downloads

4 - no mandatory instalations

5 - more ppl playing online

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#13 ZuneHD
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people who ask usually cant deal with PSN being inferior, yet free.

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#14 ENDOT12123
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[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]

Cross game chat

More and better Arcade games

Larger community (basically easier to find a match)

Everyone has a mic

Lots of little features, like Netflix, Twitter, Facebook, 1 v. 100, etc

Happy now?

kolkov01

not really i want to know why its better to PLAY online i dont care bout arcade games/twitter/netflix etc thats not online gameplay

and its not even that much larger community nowdays if you see the stats n facts you will no what im talking bout, so im still waiting for a valid answer

his answer was valid he told you why he things Xbox live is better

facepalm :| READ AGAIN

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[QUOTE="enterawesome"]

Cross game chat

More and better Arcade games

Larger community (basically easier to find a match)

Everyone has a mic

Lots of little features, like Netflix, Twitter, Facebook, 1 v. 100, etc

Happy now?

ENDOT12123

not really i want to know why its better to PLAY online i dont care bout arcade games/twitter/netflix etc thats not online gameplay

and its not even that much larger community nowdays if you see the stats n facts you will no what im talking bout, so im still waiting for a valid answer

The difference is minimal. However, the argumnet has been XBL is a better service than PSN. A service involves everything it offers which is why those are valid points. I hate when posters make topics asking a question just to argue with the reesponders and tell them they are wrong. Atleast if you want to do that have it in a worthwhile thread.

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#16 xxyetixx
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Cross game chat

Larger Communities for games

More people with mics

Netflix is awesome

360 was made to an online console not just an after thought

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#17 PS3_3DO
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Ok.

  1. Cross-game voice chat
  2. Party Chat
  3. Movie parties.
  4. XBL avatar games
  5. Soundtracks in all games

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#18 kolkov01
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[QUOTE="kolkov01"][QUOTE="ENDOT12123"]

not really i want to know why its better to PLAY online i dont care bout arcade games/twitter/netflix etc thats not online gameplay

and its not even that much larger community nowdays if you see the stats n facts you will no what im talking bout, so im still waiting for a valid answer

ENDOT12123

his answer was valid he told you why he things Xbox live is better

facepalm :| READ AGAIN

I did, his answer is still valid considering your original question was "Give me five facts why you say xbox live is better than PSN"
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#19 kolkov01
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[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]

Cross game chat

More and better Arcade games

Larger community (basically easier to find a match)

Everyone has a mic

Lots of little features, like Netflix, Twitter, Facebook, 1 v. 100, etc

Happy now?

ActicEdge

not really i want to know why its better to PLAY online i dont care bout arcade games/twitter/netflix etc thats not online gameplay

and its not even that much larger community nowdays if you see the stats n facts you will no what im talking bout, so im still waiting for a valid answer

The difference is minimal. However, the argumnet has been XBL is a better service than PSN. A service involves everything it offers which is why those are valid points. I hate when posters make topics asking a question just to argue with the reesponders and tell them they are wrong. Atleast if you want to do that have it in a worthwhile thread.

exactly
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#20 ZuneHD
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"TELL ME ABOUT ONLINE GAMEPLAY NOT DEMOS,ARCADE GAMES,MOVIES,TWITTER....NONE OF THAT BUT HOW IT PLAYS ONLINE"

lol fail right there. LIVE is more then just online gaming. its getting XBLA games before PSN, its getting demos weeks before PSN, its getting DLC before PSN. Live fees goes towards bribing devs to give us content BEFORE PS3. then theres party chat and netflix movie sharing.

Its whats makes 360 gamers elite and ps3 gamers waiting for the seconds IMO

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#22 kolkov01
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[QUOTE="kolkov01"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The difference is minimal. However, the argumnet has been XBL is a better service than PSN. A service involves everything it offers which is why those are valid points. I hate when posters make topics asking a question just to argue with the reesponders and tell them they are wrong. Atleast if you want to do that have it in a worthwhile thread.

ENDOT12123

exactly

IM NOT ASKING ABOUT FETAURES IM TALKING ABOUT HOW IT PLAYS ONLINE, WHY DO PEOPLE SAY 1 IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER?

because it has extra features.

What do you expect us to say? Your asking us to tell you why we think XBL is the best online service but we can't list the reasons as to why we thing Xbox live is the best online service

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"TELL ME ABOUT ONLINE GAMEPLAY NOT DEMOS,ARCADE GAMES,MOVIES,TWITTER....NONE OF THAT BUT HOW IT PLAYS ONLINE"

lol fail right there. LIVE is more then just online gaming. its getting XBLA games before PSN, its getting demos weeks before PSN, its getting DLC before PSN. Live fees goes towards bribing devs to give us content BEFORE PS3. then theres party chat and netflix movie sharing.

Its whats makes 360 gamers elite and ps3 gamers waiting for the seconds IMO

ZuneHD

not everysingle demo comes out 1st on live, also not every arcade game comes to live 1st either, were is batman,bioshock,mirrors edge DLC for xbox?

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#24 ZuneHD
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[QUOTE="ZuneHD"]

"TELL ME ABOUT ONLINE GAMEPLAY NOT DEMOS,ARCADE GAMES,MOVIES,TWITTER....NONE OF THAT BUT HOW IT PLAYS ONLINE"

lol fail right there. LIVE is more then just online gaming. its getting XBLA games before PSN, its getting demos weeks before PSN, its getting DLC before PSN. Live fees goes towards bribing devs to give us content BEFORE PS3. then theres party chat and netflix movie sharing.

Its whats makes 360 gamers elite and ps3 gamers waiting for the seconds IMO

ENDOT12123

not everysingle demo comes out 1st on live, also not every arcade game comes to live 1st either, were is batman,bioshock,mirrors edge DLC for xbox?

sony pays ppl too ya know.............but thats overshadowed by the sheer amount of things 360 gets b4 ps3.

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#25 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="kolkov01"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The difference is minimal. However, the argumnet has been XBL is a better service than PSN. A service involves everything it offers which is why those are valid points. I hate when posters make topics asking a question just to argue with the reesponders and tell them they are wrong. Atleast if you want to do that have it in a worthwhile thread.

ENDOT12123

exactly

IM NOT ASKING ABOUT FETAURES IM TALKING ABOUT HOW IT PLAYS ONLINE, WHY DO PEOPLE SAY 1 IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER?

They are talking about the service not the actual quality of the connection. You think people pay for Xbox live purely on connection stability? Stop asking for the answer to a question you have already made your mind uo about.

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#26 IIJuggaNottII
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LMAO @ thread....Tell me why the Lakers are better than the Orlando Magic, but don't talk about Gasol, Kobe, or Phil Jackson. LMAO! Wow....the things that you're trying to omit are the things that make XBL better than PSN. The things people do to win a debate. Sheesh. Took a break...came back same ole SW.

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#27 ENDOT12123
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[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"]

[QUOTE="kolkov01"] exactlykolkov01

IM NOT ASKING ABOUT FETAURES IM TALKING ABOUT HOW IT PLAYS ONLINE, WHY DO PEOPLE SAY 1 IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER?

because it has extra features.

What do you expect us to say? Your asking us to tell you why we think XBL is the best online service but we can't list the reasons as to why we thing Xbox live is the best online service

because everything your saying dosnt make it better, they are different features but not exaclty better

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#28 kolkov01
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[QUOTE="kolkov01"]

[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"] IM NOT ASKING ABOUT FETAURES IM TALKING ABOUT HOW IT PLAYS ONLINE, WHY DO PEOPLE SAY 1 IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER?

ENDOT12123

because it has extra features.

What do you expect us to say? Your asking us to tell you why we think XBL is the best online service but we can't list the reasons as to why we thing Xbox live is the best online service

because everything your saying dosnt make it better, they are different features but not exaclty better

they make it better for me and that's all I care about

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[QUOTE="kolkov01"]

[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"] IM NOT ASKING ABOUT FETAURES IM TALKING ABOUT HOW IT PLAYS ONLINE, WHY DO PEOPLE SAY 1 IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER?

ENDOT12123

because it has extra features.

What do you expect us to say? Your asking us to tell you why we think XBL is the best online service but we can't list the reasons as to why we thing Xbox live is the best online service

because everything your saying dosnt make it better, they are different features but not exaclty better

what u cant deal with is that LIVE is more then just playijng games online.

that and that u cant deal with supporting an inferior, yet free service. just deal with it.

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#30 Cellpwn
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PSN and Xbox Live play very similarly. Xbox Live isn't really known for being better because of better gameplay, it's known for being better for its extra features. You can't just pretend that the arcade and cross-game chat features don't exist.

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#32 kolkov01
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"] IM NOT ASKING ABOUT FETAURES IM TALKING ABOUT HOW IT PLAYS ONLINE, WHY DO PEOPLE SAY 1 IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER?

ENDOT12123

They are talking about the service not the actual quality of the connection. You think people pay for Xbox live purely on connection stability? Stop asking for the answer to a question you have already made your mind uo about.

i use a console to play games , when i get home i pop in a game and go online, if i want all those other features ill use my pc, if a demo comes out abit later ill wait abit later who cares, it dont make a console any better than the other, you people are shallow minded IMO

Last time I checked I can watch blu-ray on my PC as well, yet I still see people using blu-ray movies as a plus when compared to the 360 the same could be said for the PS3's web browser (even though the 360 also has one)

If things like cross game chat, more games, more users and a messenger service don't move you then more power to ya, but it moves some of us

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#34 1080pOnly
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Playing online is the same with both. You take binary bits, convert them to electrical pulses and send them over a wire.

However, XBL is not just about playing online it is about community and integration. Some features work in some games and some games have certain features on PSN but XBL has everything in every game, as it is a stipulation by Microsoft to all developers.

Then you get more content, earlier content, better chat system, everyone has a mic, games are played for longer, bigger selection of arcade titles, community made games and so on. PSN has ... home, which is about as disjointed as a community gets.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"] IM NOT ASKING ABOUT FETAURES IM TALKING ABOUT HOW IT PLAYS ONLINE, WHY DO PEOPLE SAY 1 IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER?

ENDOT12123

They are talking about the service not the actual quality of the connection. You think people pay for Xbox live purely on connection stability? Stop asking for the answer to a question you have already made your mind uo about.

i use a console to play games , when i get home i pop in a game and go online, if i want all those other features ill use my pc, if a demo comes out abit later ill wait abit later who cares, it dont make a console any better than the other, you people are shallow minded IMO

Well that's the problem. No one cares about you and how you want gaming and systems to be. We are comparing the services based on what they offer objectively. What you do and what is available are 2 seperate issues.

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[QUOTE="kolkov01"][QUOTE="ENDOT12123"] i use a console to play games , when i get home i pop in a game and go online, if i want all those other features ill use my pc, if a demo comes out abit later ill wait abit later who cares, it dont make a console any better than the other, you people are shallow minded IMO

ENDOT12123

Last time I checked I can watch blu-ray on my PC as well, yet I still see people using blu-ray movies as a plus when compared to the 360 the same could be said for the PS3's web browser (even though the 360 also has one)

yep i know that thats why i havnt mentioned it, in the REAL world xbox is the same peice of crap as a ps3, its all the same sh*t ,

don't really care about that. I do care though that one service and more games, more users and an integraded messenger service while the other doesn't. It's not enough to move console, but it is an extra point in favour of the 360 as long as you don't mind paying for xbox live gold fee
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#37 WilliamRLBaker
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Unndunn will post the best, since he has condensed into a few paragraphs the greatness of xbox live.

So ill just wait till he posts.

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[QUOTE="kolkov01"]

[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"] IM NOT ASKING ABOUT FETAURES IM TALKING ABOUT HOW IT PLAYS ONLINE, WHY DO PEOPLE SAY 1 IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER?

ENDOT12123

because it has extra features.

What do you expect us to say? Your asking us to tell you why we think XBL is the best online service but we can't list the reasons as to why we thing Xbox live is the best online service

because everything your saying dosnt make it better, they are different features but not exaclty better

/facepalm So what does PSN have that is better than XBL? And dont list the features.... they dont count.
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#39 ENDOT12123
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[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

They are talking about the service not the actual quality of the connection. You think people pay for Xbox live purely on connection stability? Stop asking for the answer to a question you have already made your mind uo about.

ActicEdge

i use a console to play games , when i get home i pop in a game and go online, if i want all those other features ill use my pc, if a demo comes out abit later ill wait abit later who cares, it dont make a console any better than the other, you people are shallow minded IMO

Well that's the problem. No one cares about you and how you want gaming and systems to be. We are comparing the services based on what they offer objectively. What you do and what is available are 2 seperate issues.

lol ok, nothing on xbox is so special in its own right to say its better, like the same on ps3

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#40 ENDOT12123
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[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"]

[QUOTE="kolkov01"] because it has extra features.

What do you expect us to say? Your asking us to tell you why we think XBL is the best online service but we can't list the reasons as to why we thing Xbox live is the best online service

darthkirmy

because everything your saying dosnt make it better, they are different features but not exaclty better

/facepalm So what does PSN have that is better than XBL? And dont list the features.... they dont count.

im not saying 1 is better im sayin they are the same with a few minor difrences not enhancments

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#41 1080pOnly
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"] i use a console to play games , when i get home i pop in a game and go online, if i want all those other features ill use my pc, if a demo comes out abit later ill wait abit later who cares, it dont make a console any better than the other, you people are shallow minded IMO

ENDOT12123

Well that's the problem. No one cares about you and how you want gaming and systems to be. We are comparing the services based on what they offer objectively. What you do and what is available are 2 seperate issues.

lol ok, nothing on xbox is so special in its own right to say its better, like the same on ps3

How about being able to actually find an online match to play in games more than 6 months old? The 360 does that while the PS3 has you counting tumbleweeds instead.

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#42 vaderhater
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You get more out of the online portion of all games with live which extends the playtime life and value of the game you spent your money on. Especially for multiplats.

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#43 darthkirmy
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[QUOTE="darthkirmy"][QUOTE="ENDOT12123"] because everything your saying dosnt make it better, they are different features but not exaclty better

ENDOT12123

/facepalm So what does PSN have that is better than XBL? And dont list the features.... they dont count.

im not saying 1 is better im sayin they are the same with a few minor difrences not enhancments

Really so cross game chat isnt an enhancement? The join game option is not an enhancement? Online video rental is not an enhancement? Boy i must have the wrong definition of the word "enhancement".
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#44 enterawesome
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[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"]

[QUOTE="kolkov01"][QUOTE="ENDOT12123"]

not really i want to know why its better to PLAY online i dont care bout arcade games/twitter/netflix etc thats not online gameplay

and its not even that much larger community nowdays if you see the stats n facts you will no what im talking bout, so im still waiting for a valid answer

his answer was valid he told you why he things Xbox live is better

facepalm :| READ AGAIN

Dude, fail. You can't just edit your original post in order to make my answer invalid. I can give you three: Cross game chat, you can communitcate with friends in a game if you don't want to be bothered by annoying people, which helps you play better More people online, so you can play more More people with mics, so you can communicate better, thus play better. Now you give me three reasons why PSN PLAYS better than Live, even though your OP and topic title just ask for the service as a whole.
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#45 AlMar12345
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[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"]

[QUOTE="kolkov01"] because it has extra features.

What do you expect us to say? Your asking us to tell you why we think XBL is the best online service but we can't list the reasons as to why we thing Xbox live is the best online service

darthkirmy

because everything your saying dosnt make it better, they are different features but not exaclty better

/facepalm So what does PSN have that is better than XBL? And dont list the features.... they dont count.

dedicated servers as opposed to p2p, and an online community that isn't composed of 6-14 year olds and total douchbags. I don't care if I don't get to talk to people that often on PS3 with my mic, silence is better than hearing a whiny kid scream while he plays or having someone blare music into their headset just to piss people off. In all honesty I have had maybe 3 good conversations on psn and absolutely none on xbl. when recalling stupid conversations some idiot was calling everyone racial slurs on Uncharted 2 once so I kicked him, thats about all I can come up with, but almost every time I play on xbl I have to deal with nonsensical douchbags who I have to mute because kicking them does no good, they just get replaced by other nonsensical douchbags.....don't say the community is better because its bigger, if I want to play a ps3 game online I can find a game online fine, the only difference is the sound of silence which I consider a good thing

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I'll just list one:. Proper chatfunctions. That's something that's REALLY missing in PSN.
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#47 bokiloki
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they are basically the same, I play online only on ps3 because im not going to pay for something that i can get for free. basically anyone who says live is better, is just saying it to justify it in their mind that they are paying 50 bucks a year plus isp to play online.

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#48 bokiloki
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You get more out of the online portion of all games with live which extends the playtime life and value of the game you spent your money on. Especially for multiplats.

vaderhater

You get more out of the online portion of all games with psn which extends the playtime life and value of the game you spent your money on. Especially multiplats. And its FREE!

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#49 dachase
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[QUOTE="ENDOT12123"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Well that's the problem. No one cares about you and how you want gaming and systems to be. We are comparing the services based on what they offer objectively. What you do and what is available are 2 seperate issues.

1080pOnly

lol ok, nothing on xbox is so special in its own right to say its better, like the same on ps3

How about being able to actually find an online match to play in games more than 6 months old? The 360 does that while the PS3 has you counting tumbleweeds instead.

Battlefield Bad Company says hi

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#50 dachase
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I have both 360 and PS3 and anything i want to play online i will get for PS3. Not interested in chatting, arcade games, msn i just want to play multiplayer. I cannot justify having to pay for online when i can get it for free on another system.

Sure Live has a larger community but PS3's community isnt as small as some people would have you believe, Never had any trouble getting full online games in Warhawk, Bad Company, Motorstorm, Resistance and Killzone 2. Most multiplats have large communities on PS3 when they get released, GTA 4 was one game that i could always get full matches in, nowadays though i can hardly find people......but who cares really, it means that the community have moved on to something better. That just makes the argument worse if your paying to play an old game online.

M$ could offer live for free, but why would they when people continue to pay for it.