Good-Bye Nintendo

[QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"]Because, above all things, gamers, causals and non-gamers play games just to have some fun. And that doesn't hunt anyone.Jandurin

I've heard someone say that games stopped being just about fun awhile ago. I was shocked.

[QUOTE="MagnuzGuerra"]Because, above all things, gamers, causals and non-gamers play games just to have some fun. And that doesn't hunt anyone.Jandurin

I've heard someone say that games stopped being just about fun awhile ago. I was shocked.

Omg, are you serious? :O

what idiot said that?

[QUOTE="zaney"]

Sony has easily made the biggest impact on gaming of recent. They show that through their sales the last decade. Just because Nintendo has done well in sales the last several months doesn't make them the authority on gaming when they were owned the last 10 years by sony. If it wasn't for sony we would be playing crappy 70 and 80dollar games on Nintendo systems. That is what they charged when N64 launched, it didn't fly because sony was selling them for 50. If it wasn't for Sony taking over their gamers Nintendo wouldn't be going the casual route. They are going that way because they can't compete with MS and Sony right now. You call what Nintendo is doing innovation. I call it running away.

TheDuffman26

Wow I couldn't have said it any better myself. I agree 100% nice post.

It's just too bad that without Nintendo, gamers would be stuck using the old D-pad for controls and rumble would be non existant in games as well. The Wiimote is the next step in gaming controls, its so sad though that cows and lemmings are going to be stuck using an inferior control scheme since they could not even begin to comprehend the technology in the Wiimote.

well they will suffer in the end when these non gamers don't buy any games. with Wii's install base, it's barely selling any more games than PS3. Non gamers don't buy games like us.

MS is selling like 3 - 4 games for console and making money off of that. 3rd party is not going to stick around wii when it's not selling any games.

Well, Nintendo is now appealing towards the Casuals,but it hasn't forgotten it's hardcore gamers. They're making all these games like Wii Fit to appeal to people that think that they'd never play a video game. That's where the majority of their sales come from, those "casuals". They're plan worked. Then theres the Hardcore gamers. Twilight Princess made you think in the dungeons for the first time, don't even lie to me and say that they were so easy for you that you just breezed right through them. Super Paper mario may be easy, but it still continues the PM series, and thats fine, because none of those games were very hard. What about fans of Mario Party and Warioware? Nintendo sastisfied thosee players early. We still have Metroid 3 coming out, and that should also satisfy the hardcore players, because it does seem challenging. BRAWL and Galaxy will get more hardcore players interested.

Nintendo is doing fine right now.

BTW If you're going to actually stop supporting nintendo and stop buying their products, the least you should do is take down the Legend of Zelda ORacle of Seasons theme.

[QUOTE="TheDuffman26"][QUOTE="zaney"]

Sony has easily made the biggest impact on gaming of recent. They show that through their sales the last decade. Just because Nintendo has done well in sales the last several months doesn't make them the authority on gaming when they were owned the last 10 years by sony. If it wasn't for sony we would be playing crappy 70 and 80dollar games on Nintendo systems. That is what they charged when N64 launched, it didn't fly because sony was selling them for 50. If it wasn't for Sony taking over their gamers Nintendo wouldn't be going the casual route. They are going that way because they can't compete with MS and Sony right now. You call what Nintendo is doing innovation. I call it running away.

DSgamer64

Wow I couldn't have said it any better myself. I agree 100% nice post.

It's just too bad that without Nintendo, gamers would be stuck using the old D-pad for controls and rumble would be non existant in games as well. The Wiimote is the next step in gaming controls, its so sad though that cows and lemmings are going to be stuck using an inferior control scheme since they could not even begin to comprehend the technology in the Wiimote.

Nintendo held my childhood days in gaming, the Nintendo 64 to be exact. For 3 or 4 years that system was my life. But after I was done with the N64, the Gamecube couldn't hold my interest much. It had a few games, but it was wearing off. Now with the Wii I just laugh. I don't care about Nintendo anymore. They don't care about old fans, they don't care that they're ruining gaming, they just want to promote "exercise" and the actual normal games on the Wii, are horrible. I don't care about that system. Compare it to the PS3, Xbox 360, or PC, and the Wii looks like trash. I don't care about them, they lost a fan a long time ago.Zaeryn

Well Nintendo fans are already used to only a small handful of games. Owning the Wii should be just like home for them.

With the big three coming out this year their won't be much left for the next 2-3 years the Wii remains technologically relevant.

They keep bringing up mario and metroid like those are new games to be excited about. I see those games and can barely muster an ounce of interest. No More Heroes gets more of a raised eyebrow out of me. Mention that game instead.

Well Nintendo fans are already used to only a small handful of games. Owning the Wii should be just like home for them.Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Well Nintendo fans are already used to only a small handful of games. Owning the Wii should be just like home for them.Jandurin

... he never called anyone a sheep.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Well Nintendo fans are already used to only a small handful of games. Owning the Wii should be just like home for them.Mu5uk0

... he never called anyone a sheep.

Secondly, the Wii can be owned by non-Nintendo only fans.

Well Nintendo fans are already used to only a small handful of games. Owning the Wii should be just like home for them.

With the big three coming out this year their won't be much left for the next 2-3 years the Wii remains technologically relevant.

They keep bringing up mario and metroid like those are new games to be excited about. I see those games and can barely muster an ounce of interest. No More Heroes gets more of a raised eyebrow out of me. Mention that game instead.

Bread_or_Decide

Nintendo held my childhood days in gaming, the Nintendo 64 to be exact. For 3 or 4 years that system was my life. But after I was done with the N64, the Gamecube couldn't hold my interest much. It had a few games, but it was wearing off. Now with the Wii I just laugh. I don't care about Nintendo anymore. They don't care about old fans, they don't care that they're ruining gaming, they just want to promote "exercise" and the actual normal games on the Wii, are horrible. I don't care about that system. Compare it to the PS3, Xbox 360, or PC, and the Wii looks like trash. I don't care about them, they lost a fan a long time ago.Zaeryn

Wow thats' very similar to me. N64 is one of my favourite consoles ever and ever since the GC i became less and less interested in Nintendo, maybe because they lost rare during that gen i don't know, but now i completely agree with you. But deep down i still have pasion for some of their 1st party games like Brawl and Metroid. I'm going to buy those.

[QUOTE="Zaeryn"]Nintendo held my childhood days in gaming, the Nintendo 64 to be exact. For 3 or 4 years that system was my life. But after I was done with the N64, the Gamecube couldn't hold my interest much. It had a few games, but it was wearing off. Now with the Wii I just laugh. I don't care about Nintendo anymore. They don't care about old fans, they don't care that they're ruining gaming, they just want to promote "exercise" and the actual normal games on the Wii, are horrible. I don't care about that system. Compare it to the PS3, Xbox 360, or PC, and the Wii looks like trash. I don't care about them, they lost a fan a long time ago.Riviera_Phantom

Wow thats' very similar to me. N64 is one of my favourite consoles ever and ever since the GC i became less and less interested in Nintendo, maybe because they lost rare during that gen i don't know, but now i completely agree with you. But deep down i still have pasion for some of their 1st party games like Brawl and Metroid. I'm going to buy those.

Listening to you say you have passion for anything Nintendo... Let's just say it's odd.

Listening to you say you have passion for anything Nintendo... Let's just say it's odd.TNT_Slug

I didn't see any of the pages because I read two minutes ago and god bless posters, your post is long and they reply with longer posts, so Im not reading any of the posts.

I agree 100%, and I walked out of Nintendo from 64, in a matter of fact my brother bought it not me, it has great games back then but not great like the NES and SuperNES, so don't worry, most of the buyers of Wii are non-gamers, and even non-gamers do like the Wii, a lot of them prefer PS3 and Im talking about my family members because they worship the benefits of sharing pics, watching movies,online services and seeing somethings looks so real, in another meaning, they have brains and love technology.

Subrosian. You make way too much sense for this thread..I doubt the kids in this place actually had the joy of playing old school Nintendo. It was greatness in its day.

Subrosian. You make way too much sense for this thread..I doubt the kids in this place actually had the joy of playing old school Nintendo. It was greatness in its day.

Rudy25

just look at the mario Galxay video's. still fun imo.

fanboys miss out

furtherfan

Yeah you guys sure do

You know, I used to laugh whenever someone on here would say something like "Nintendo should go third party!" but at this point, I kinda wish they had. I'm not ready to give up on the Wii just yet, but so far I have to say; I'm very dissapointed right now.

Subrosian. You make way too much sense for this thread..I doubt the kids in this place actually had the joy of playing old school Nintendo. It was greatness in its day.

Rudy25

You know, I used to laugh whenever someone on here would say something like "Nintendo should go third party!" but at this point, I kinda wish they had. I'm not ready to give up on the Wii just yet, but so far I have to say; I'm very dissapointed right now.

TyrantDragon55

did you expect this large a response subrosion?

seriously, i stopped following after about 20 pages. But how much response did you think you would rerally get.

did you expect this large a response subrosion?

seriously, i stopped following after about 20 pages. But how much response did you think you would rerally get.

samusarmada

did you expect this large a response subrosion?

seriously, i stopped following after about 20 pages. But how much response did you think you would rerally get.

samusarmada

Enough for the Nintendo fanboy meter to hit red and make a retaliatory topic :wink:

[QUOTE="Rudy25"]

Subrosian. You make way too much sense for this thread..I doubt the kids in this place actually had the joy of playing old school Nintendo. It was greatness in its day.

subrosian

You know, I used to laugh whenever someone on here would say something like "Nintendo should go third party!" but at this point, I kinda wish they had. I'm not ready to give up on the Wii just yet, but so far I have to say; I'm very dissapointed right now.

TyrantDragon55

Mario has been going downhill since SMB3. Super Metroid though, that's a game everyone should play.

And my favorite newest IP from Nintendo is definitely Smash Brothers. One of my favorite series ever.

My thread was erilly silent for how long it's been on the front page... So I'll post it in a slightly more populare topic.

Facts:

-As much as nintendo talks about making games simpler, they have never dumbed an old series down of it's gameplay. If you have a way to say simplify an rpg's interface to be easier to go through, that's considered simplifying... common misconseption on systemwars is that means "They dumbed the game down for non gamers so us hardcores have to suffer!"

-As many "non gamer games" as there are, they take a few months at most to make and are side projects at best:
[5:27] Here's an obvious question after the announcement of Wii Fit: Has the success of the Touch Generations games made Miyamoto less interested in developing traditional or hardcore-5tylegames like Mario Galaxy?

[5:28] "You certainly don't have to worry about that." He's having a lot of fun working on both Galaxy and Wii Fit, and he thinks it's perfectly acceptable to have simpler games that can be completed in a few months while also working on more ambitious projects that take years to complete.
If you could spend such a short amount of time to massivly increase your audience, what downfalls are there to doing so?

-Games of depth on wii are still coming. BWii and Super smash are 2 of the most obvious ones. They didn't just disapear off the face of the earth because nintendo felt the floorspace at E3 would be a good time to show off wii fit.

-Online plans are still in works, and the 1 good game that shows it off, mario strikers, has online well exicuted minus communication.

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]

did you expect this large a response subrosion?

seriously, i stopped following after about 20 pages. But how much response did you think you would rerally get.

tomarlyn

Enough for the Nintendo fanboy meter to hit red and make a retaliatory topic :wink:

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="samusarmada"]

did you expect this large a response subrosion?

seriously, i stopped following after about 20 pages. But how much response did you think you would rerally get.

subrosian

Enough for the Nintendo fanboy meter to hit red and make a retaliatory topic :wink:

:lol:

The Wii Fit board could make a seriously deadly bludgeon.

On further thought i would say this

Nintendo are not hurting game.

With the DS they gave us the best handheld ever made,. It is beloved by gamers, casuals and non-gamers alike and it truly deserves all the succcess it can get. Online is fairly well implemented in alot of the newer games, and while the interface may suck it is not much worse than the PSP's and the selection of games destroy those on the PSP.

The Wii is a very poor console for gamers. But the irrelevance of it to ourselves does not mean that it's success is any less deserved. They do tend to exploit hardcore Nintendo fans, but i think that those fans invite expoitation so it's not really a big deal.

I am not done with Nintendo, because like I said the DS is still the best hahdheld ever made. But the Wii has become largely irrelevant to me. I may get one in 5 years time to play the Nintendo games i missed out on, which regardless of Casualisation are always known for quality. But I recognise the superiority of the PS3/360 for gamers more clearly now and the PS3 will be my main console.

They made a retaliatory topic? "Dear Nintendo, here is Subrosian's head on a stake. He used his right to free speech to express a concern over the direction you have chosen to go in... we choked him to death with a Wiimote. Please don't delay Metroid Prime, thanks. P.S. Shiggy rules!"

In all seriousness, I'd be curious to see it.
subrosian

Well this ain't too polite, don't rekon I could at least get a reply to my post up there, a reason why it's suddenly being avoided by every fanboy on this forum...kittykatz5k

Dude i don't thinkt that anyone can argue the stregth of the Wii's lineup this year, but that is largely due to Nintendo's first party lineup and the remnants of Gamecube Development.

This year you have mario Galaxy, Prime 3, SSBB, BWii, Fire Emblem, SPM

Next year you have a dumbed down Mario Kart with the same graphics as the GC game and Wii fit. The Wii simply isn't in the same league as the 360/PS3 if you are looking at it from a gamers viewpoint. Anyone who says otherwise is simply deluding themselves. This is coming from someone who recognises the Wii's success and thinks i's well deserved.

I have no doubt that Nintendo will occasionally pump out a first/second party game on the Wii that looks good. but these titles will be few and far between and all you'll have in the meantime is minigames and non games.

As for online, the Wii online is archaic. This is not so much a problem on the DS given its lack of competition and superior games lineup but it kills the Wii

I somewhat agree. I don't have a problem with their games that address the other market demographics but i am saddened that nintendo has basically become a first party only system. The NES and SNES were basically what the ps2 and 360 are. Lots of games and good 3rd party stuff. Now they basically have almost no 3rd party that appeals to the older generation. Don't get me wrong i still love zelda and all those great first parties but by the end of the Wii's life cycle i don't see me buying a ton of games for the system. I have 6 games on the Wii compared to 44 for the 360. Even last gen i only ended up getting about 15 game cube games compared to mid 30s on the ps2 and xbox.

I love the new controller and i have played games that show that it has great potential but i still don't see the 3rd parties jumping on board like they used to. I hope to be proven wrong before the end of the wii's life cycle but so far i don't have confidence it will happen.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Well this ain't too polite, don't rekon I could at least get a reply to my post up there, a reason why it's suddenly being avoided by every fanboy on this forum...NorthlandMan

Dude i don't thinkt that anyone can argue the stregth of the Wii's lineup this year, but that is largely due to Nintendo's first party lineup and the remnants of Gamecube Development.

This year you have mario Galaxy, Prime 3, SSBB, BWii, Fire Emblem, SPM

Next year you have a dumbed down Mario Kart with the same graphics as the GC game and Wii fit. The Wii simply isn't in the same league as the 360/PS3 if you are looking at it from a gamers viewpoint. Anyone who says otherwise is simply deluding themselves. This is coming from someone who recognises the Wii's success and thinks i's well deserved.

I have no doubt that Nintendo will occasionally pump out a first/second party game on the Wii that looks good. but these titles will be few and far between and all you'll have in the meantime is minigames and non games.

As for online, the Wii online is archaic. This is not so much a problem on the DS given its lack of competition and superior games lineup but it kills the Wii

Next year you have a dumbed down Mario Kart NorthlandMan

It's become blatently obvious you have ignored my post...

Well this ain't too polite, don't rekon I could at least get a reply to my post up there, a reason why it's suddenly being avoided by every fanboy on this forum...kittykatz5k

Might you have been mistaken ?

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Well this ain't too polite, don't rekon I could at least get a reply to my post up there, a reason why it's suddenly being avoided by every fanboy on this forum...SecretPolice

Might you have been mistaken ?

Or is your post an instance of a raven calling a crow black? :lol:

It's become blatently obvious you have ignored my post...

kittykatz5k

I wasn't referring to the increased emphasis on inclusivity. I was talking about the game mechanics being dumbed down from Mario Kart DD. The barely adequate visuals and pimping of a ubisoft style plastic fisher price wheel didn't exactly inspire confidence either.

and the rest of my post was spot on. stop trying to divert attention from the topic at hand

Nice post but what is a gamer's viewpoint? Are we talking about graphix again?TSCombo

Not necessarily. I'm talking about people who want to see great franchises they know and love as well as exciting new IP's that look to offer immersive, original and downright fun experiences. I'm talking about people who want to see a good mix of quality first party titles as well as a broad range of third party efforts.

The DS is a good example. Yoshis Island 2 and contra 4 are new spins on existing franchise but fairly traditional. Advance Wars, Canvas curse are platform specific first party titles that are perfect for the machine. Hotel Dusk and Ninja Gaiden are great examples of first/third party titles that use the functionality well. ASH and Sonic RPGS are exciting new IPs from some of the best devs in the industry. Dragon Quest 9 and NSMB DS are HUGE, more traditional games given a showing on the platform..

So basically a diverse range of titles focused on GAMES in the traditional sense

Nintendo are still making the games they've always made, they're not abandoning their core audience.

Mario in a bee suit... GOTY.

I never have and never will understand this "core", "hardcore", "casual" thing. For 20+ years I've been content buying games that I felt I would enjoy. Some I was right about, some I was wrong. I bought Nintendogs, Sims, GTA:VC, and RE and didn't enjoy them. It doesn't make Nintendogs or Sims any lrss games because I din't like them, or me any less of a gamer because I didn't like RE and GTA.

Nintendo said they were releasing 100 Wii games for the rest of the year. My very short must have list of games I know that I want is over 10 (SMG, SMBB,Lego SW: Complete, TR: Anniversary, Dewey, Boogie, RE:UC, SM:Strikers, SC:Legends, Zack & Wiki) That's 10% of the games releasing this year. Over 50 of the games I've probably never heard of so the % could be much higher. Personally that sounds like a high percentage of a library for one person to own, maybe it isn't but I know I've never bought so many games for a system so quickly so this is one "core gamer" that Nintendo has not forgotten.

I keep being reminded that I probably have a good 15 years on most of the poster on SW. For some reason the younger gaming generation has warped what a "videogame" is. There are good games and bad games, long games and short, epic and pick up and play, but they are all games. They will entertain or they won't based on your tastes and the performance of the game. If you don't think you'll like a game, don't buy it, someone else may really like it.

[QUOTE="NorthlandMan"]

Next year you have a dumbed down Mario Kart kittykatz5k

It's become blatently obvious you have ignored my post...

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Well this ain't too polite, don't rekon I could at least get a reply to my post up there, a reason why it's suddenly being avoided by every fanboy on this forum...Jandurin

Might you have been mistaken ?

Or is your post an instance of a raven calling a crow black? :lol:

Just might be time for you to try substantive conversation - you think?

Nah - dont do it - you are always good for a laugh at !

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"][QUOTE="NorthlandMan"]

Next year you have a dumbed down Mario Kart subrosian

It's become blatently obvious you have ignored my post...

your original post is arrogant, self-important, and overly-melodramatic. if he had the courtesy to reply to it you should extend him the same courtesy without feeling the need to rub it in.

[QUOTE="TSCombo"] Nice post but what is a gamer's viewpoint? Are we talking about graphix again?NorthlandMan

Not necessarily. I'm talking about people who want to see great franchises they know and love as well as exciting new IP's that look to offer immersive, original and downright fun experiences. I'm talking about people who want to see a good mix of quality first party titles as well as a broad range of third party efforts.

The DS is a good example. Yoshis Island 2 and contra 4 are new spins on existing franchise but fairly traditional. Advance Wars, Canvas curse are platform specific first party titles that are perfect for the machine. Hotel Dusk and Ninja Gaiden are great examples of first/third party titles that use the functionality well. ASH and Sonic RPGS are exciting new IPs from some of the best devs in the industry. Dragon Quest 9 and NSMB DS are HUGE, more traditional games given a showing on the platform..

So basically a diverse range of titles focused on GAMES in the traditional sense