GOWIII deserved a 9 as much as ODST did.

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#101 BioShockOwnz
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I played the crap out of both games. GOW3 kicked major ass. ODST is probably one of the worst purchases I've made.Not-A-Stalker

Flip that around for me. I'll never play GoW3 again, but I finished ODST 3 times. Fantastic game.

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#102 mccoyca112
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[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]Is GoW really only 8-9 hours?? That kinda seems a rip a SP only game that short. You would think with such a short SP they could add some online to extend the life of the game some. Heck you can not even play it as co-op.h575309
**facepalm**

The funny thing is I literally facepalmed reading that.

This thread is full of fail.

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#103 KratosTwin
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[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]I played the crap out of both games. GOW3 kicked major ass. ODST is probably one of the worst purchases I've made.BioShockOwnz

Flip that around for me. I'll never play GoW3 again, but I finished ODST 3 times. Fantastic game.

AAAAE 10+ fantastic like you stated?

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#104 iKINGBOBi
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[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]I played the crap out of both games. GOW3 kicked major ass. ODST is probably one of the worst purchases I've made.BioShockOwnz

Flip that around for me. I'll never play GoW3 again, but I finished ODST 3 times. Fantastic game.

Um, Good for you.......:?

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#105 BlancoBX
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Its one thing if the meta scores of odst were anywhere near what GS gave it..but they are not..they are way lower while GOW3 meta scores are a little bit higher than what GS gave it...I think that says it all right there

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#106 Martin_G_N
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The complete package should not reflect how high the score is. Look at ODST, a much easier game to make. They just threw together a new singleplayer using the same unimproved engine, and then added the same multiplayer. While with GOW3, the devs had to make it the best looking cinematic hack and slash game, and that alone is not an easy task. So if KZ3 came out with a rubbish campaign using the same graphics, but having a few more maps and characters. Would it be a 9 in my mind?? No, of course not.

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#107 KratosTwin
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Its one thing if the meta scores of odst were anywhere near what GS gave it..but they are not..they are way lower while GOW3 meta scores are a little bit higher than what GS gave it...I think that says it all right there

BlancoBX

Yes, but apparently metascores don't count here. Someone said GOW3 is no better than a AA on here and said only gamespot scores count...Gamespot gave it AAAE. Lulz.

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#108 clone01
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GoW3 is more in the 8.5 range. ODST is more of a 10+.

GoW3 is fun, but it's not AAA stuff.

BioShockOwnz
you must've been playing a different version of the game than me, because i highly disagree.
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#109 peanutbudduh
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Its one thing if the meta scores of odst were anywhere near what GS gave it..but they are not..they are way lower while GOW3 meta scores are a little bit higher than what GS gave it...I think that says it all right there

BlancoBX

Everyone reviewed it as an expansion pack because that's what it was originally announced to be.

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#110 darthogre
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[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]I played the crap out of both games. GOW3 kicked major ass. ODST is probably one of the worst purchases I've made.BioShockOwnz

Flip that around for me. I'll never play GoW3 again, but I finished ODST 3 times. Fantastic game.

Judging by the metacritic scores for both.......you are in the minority by far. But I'm sure you are going to explain how wrong the majority of people are compared to the few Lems that really think ODST is AAAA!!!
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#111 racing1750
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ODST was far too similar to Halo 3 to be AAA worthy...more like AA...

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#112 MagicMan4597
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ODST probably didn't deserve a 9. It deserved an 8.5.

GOW3 is a very worthy 9.0. Basing your opinion off the 9 month old demo is not a good way to show credibility.

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#113 iamshivy
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go to youtube and look at DSP's hateful truth about ODST. a gamer who isnt a halo fanboy.

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#114 darthogre
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[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"]

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

Its one thing if the meta scores of odst were anywhere near what GS gave it..but they are not..they are way lower while GOW3 meta scores are a little bit higher than what GS gave it...I think that says it all right there

Everyone reviewed it as an expansion pack because that's what it was originally announced to be.

ah no. Actually that' exactly why your post makes no sense. They reviewed it as a full retail GAME, $60.....which is what MS was selling it for. For some reason whoever reviewed here on Gamespot never played Halo 3 so they thought it was all new lol So on the one hand you want to try to convince everyone it wasn't an expansion even with a 4 hr campaign and copied Halo 3 online.......but then you want to use the fact that people called it an expansion as an excuse why it was reviewed so badly? You and BSO need your own reality.
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#115 EXLINK
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ODST was the worst Halo title I played by far (excluding Halo Wars). The game did not deserve a 9, or even an 8 IMO. The graphics sucked for a 2009 game and it just felt like a rehash that wasn't worth a $60 price tag. I beat the campaign on normal by myself and on legendary in co-op and honestly dreaded every moment of it and just did it for the achievements. If you don't believe that I even played it, my gamertag is/was EXLINK.

I'm still on my first playthrough of GOW3 on Titan (Hard) mode. I'm about 6 hours in and I'm enjoying every moment of it and I know I will be replaying it again happily. The graphics are jaw dropping and the gameplay is still keen. Every GOW game I've played has been pure gold to me and each one keeps beating its predecessor in terms of quality.

Halo gets high scores because its an over-rated franchise. In all honesty, I think that the scores that each Halo game should've gotten is: Halo (9.5), Halo 2 (8.5), Halo 3 (9.0) and Halo ODST (7.5). The only thing that I honestly liked about Halo was its multiplayer, but I still prefer other multiplayers over it. The campaign...yeah...it sucks, IMO of course.

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#116 warmaster670
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[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

Its one thing if the meta scores of odst were anywhere near what GS gave it..but they are not..they are way lower while GOW3 meta scores are a little bit higher than what GS gave it...I think that says it all right there

peanutbudduh

Everyone reviewed it as an expansion pack because that's what it was originally announced to be.

Everyone reviewed it as an expansions cause thats exactly what it is.

A $60 expansion.

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#117 BlancoBX
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[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"]

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

Its one thing if the meta scores of odst were anywhere near what GS gave it..but they are not..they are way lower while GOW3 meta scores are a little bit higher than what GS gave it...I think that says it all right there

darthogre

Everyone reviewed it as an expansion pack because that's what it was originally announced to be.

ah no. Actually that' exactly why your post makes no sense. They reviewed it as a full retail GAME, $60.....which is what MS was selling it for. For some reason whoever reviewed here on Gamespot never played Halo 3 so they thought it was all new lol So on the one hand you want to try to convince everyone it wasn't an expansion even with a 4 hr campaign and copied Halo 3 online.......but then you want to use the fact that people called it an expansion as an excuse why it was reviewed so badly? You and BSO need your own reality.

beat me to it..if everyone reviewed it as an expansion pack then it should have gotten higher scores no? But since it was reviewed as the stand alone game MS was selling it as it got the low scores

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#118 Night-Wolf93
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people that prefer ODST over GOW3 have some serious issues apparently i will never buy ODST i rather just wait for halo reach

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#119 C-Lee
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This thread has sooooo much fail in it.
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#120 2mrw
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it's the same bla ..bla.. bla again, GOW is linear, the replaybility is low ....etc

people get over it, the experience in GOW3 is 10 times much more intense and epic than any other game around.

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#121 Roushrsh
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Lemmings are crying already >.>..
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#122 jg4xchamp
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ODST at its core is like a 4 hour campaign isn't it? All the other stuff is based around OTHER games, not ODST itself. 110million
FireFight(halo horde essentially)+4-5 hour ODST campaign was what ODST was. Basically a bungie planned expansion, that Microsoft made into a 60 dollar full retail game. God of War 3 makes a better case for that 60 dollar price tag.
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#124 DerekLoffin
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You can't really compare a game new to this generation, to a game that reused many assets introduced previously in this generation.
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#125 mgkennedy5
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ODST had a 4 hour campaign plus a new MODE for Halo 3's multiplayer... wwaaayyy less value. I would never have given ODST a nine. GoW does have challenges and stuff, and I usually play GoW games many times
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#126 jg4xchamp
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ODST was far too similar to Halo 3 to be AAA worthy...more like AA...

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ODST has more changes to its gameplay, that God of War 3 does versus God of War 2 :? The only major core change to God of War 3 is that secondary weapons are fun to use this time, and in that same sense ODST is more grounded, with more of a pop to certain weapons, and a less forgiving health system.
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#127 peanutbudduh
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Well I see that nobody can refute the fact that neither game deserved a 9 nore were they worth the $60. Both games are rentals. Mission accomplished in my part, thank you.
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#128 DerekLoffin
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Well I see that nobody can refute the fact that neither game deserved a 9 nore were they worth the $60. Both games are rentals. Mission accomplished in my part, thank you.peanutbudduh
I see you ignored the entire thread, and have proven your troll lineage.
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#129 KratosTwin
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Well I see that nobody can refute the fact that neither game deserved a 9 nore were they worth the $60. Both games are rentals. Mission accomplished in my part, thank you.peanutbudduh

Okay, whatever helps you sleep at night.

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#130 GreyFoXX4
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TC, I"m not even playing gow3 yet, I'm actually fixing to beat GOW right now, you know the old game, and it is more polished than Halo 3. Oops I mean odst. So I can only imagine what I'm instore for after I get through with GOW II. Man my eyes are blood shot.

And GOW fans, I hope some of the puzzles in GOWIII are as good as the ones in the original, cause David Jaiffe is walking amoung gods in that realm.

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#131 KratosTwin
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[QUOTE="racing1750"]

ODST was far too similar to Halo 3 to be AAA worthy...more like AA...

jg4xchamp

ODST has more changes to its gameplay, that God of War 3 does versus God of War 2 :? The only major core change to God of War 3 is that secondary weapons are fun to use this time, and in that same sense ODST is more grounded, with more of a pop to certain weapons, and a less forgiving health system.

That's a valid point actually. But we also need to take other factors into consideration to justify AAA status, such as production values, story, etc...

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#132 lundy86_4
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Well I see that nobody can refute the fact that neither game deserved a 9 nore were they worth the $60. Both games are rentals. Mission accomplished in my part, thank you.peanutbudduh

To be honest, you didn't prove anything either. In fact, you ignored my last point completely about who decides how much content, is enough content.

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#133 jg4xchamp
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Well I see that nobody can refute the fact that neither game deserved a 9 nore were they worth the $60. Both games are rentals. Mission accomplished in my part, thank you.peanutbudduh
God of War 3 may lack in "value" although I feel an 8 hour experience with the Challenge of Olympus is more than enough for a hack n slash game assuming it has the replayability for it.

The game is giving AAA praise because visually it is breath taking, and few games give you the same sense of scale. Where it really shines isn't it's combat though. Combat is still button mash friendly, and kind of shallow in some cases. Where it really shines is everywhere else. The pacing is damn near perfect. Battles to puzzle to platforming to battles to bosses etc. All these elements mesh so well together it gives the overall experience a great feel. The Boss fights themselves are some of the best this gen. They come off as giant spectacles of flash, but alot of them have an ingenius design to them that makes fighting them as much fun as possible. Narrative was a dropoff in quality for the first half, but the overall presentation is strong and the ending revelation is worth playing for.

God of War 3 doesn't deliver AAA AMOUNT of content, but the Quality of the content that you pay for is worth every penny. ODST is more frowned upon because the game that it's being an expansion pack for(halo 3) was not a ripoff at 60 bucks. No one can make a legit case that when Halo 3 launched it didn't have the content to justify 60 bucks. They may question quality, but Halo 3 had a strong amount of content and was totally worth it's pricetag. You can't say that about ODST.

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#134 caligamer
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Neither games deserved that score but I would even say that maybe ODST deserved it a little bit more. ODST had its own multiplayer game mode, it came with Halo 3 mp with all the mappacks and it came with a Halo Reach beta invitation. So it has way more content than GOWIII does. GOWIII has a linear 8 hour long hack n' slash campaign mode so why does that game deserve the score? With very little replay value, it really is nothing more than just a rental. Seriously a 9 for a game like GOWIII in today's standards? What is this, I don't even...

peanutbudduh

I probably put more hours into god of war1 and 2 than most other games so just because it doesnt a online doesnt mean it has little replay value.

You havent even played the game so how would u know?

ODST is a 4 hour campaign withthe sameHalo3 online......really deserving of a 9 lol

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#135 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"][QUOTE="yanbuco2712"]

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]

Is GoW really only 8-9 hours?? That kinda seems a rip off for a SP only game that short. You would think with such a short SP they could add some online to extend the life of the game some. Heck you can not even play it as co-op.

Alan wake must be a rip off then :roll:

GOW3 has challenge maps, Arena mode, Trophies, collectibles AND four difficulty levels, if that isn't alot of content then I don't know what it is.

Also, not all games are meant to be played online.

Oh just stop. Your saying trophies difficulty levels and the other add game length?? Also Yes if AW is only 8-9 hours then no way I would pay $60 for it.

How did you people get along before this gen?
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#136 caligamer
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[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yeah, GoW 3 was as good as a "4-5 hour expansion".

GoW3 = 9

ODST = 9

BioShockOwnz

Well he said most, so a 93 meta beats an 83 meta.

We're on Gamespot. Metacritic has no weight here.

It has a lot of weight, it depends more on the average of all reviewers

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#137 Quaker-w00ts
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I throughly enjoyed ODST, fantastic halo game (probably my favorite)

after i beat ODST i never went back to it...

umm God of war i thought was worth more than the price tag.

i would have scored ODST a solid 8.5

and GoW3 about a 9.3

and i know my opinion =/= fact

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#138 peanutbudduh
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I find it silly how cows can say I haven't played GOWIII so I can't pass judgements but they can say whatever they want about ODST. Anyway, I compared facts to facts in my original post which proves that neither game deserves a 9 or a full price tag. If God of War was not in the name, then it would not receive the undeserving praise it's getting now.
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#139 Avian005
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ODST deserved a 9, GOW3 deserved a 9.5.

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#140 jg4xchamp
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TC, I"m not even playing gow3 yet, I'm actually fixing to beat GOW right now, you know the old game, and it is more polished than Halo 3. Oops I mean odst. So I can only imagine what I'm instore for after I get through with GOW II. Man my eyes are blood shot.

And GOW fans, I hope some of the puzzles in GOWIII are as good as the ones in the original, cause David Jaiffe is walking amoung gods in that realm.

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ODST like Halo 3 wasn't lacking in polish :?
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#141 KratosTwin
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I throughly enjoyed ODST, fantastic halo game (probably my favorite)

after i beat ODST i never went back to it...

umm God of war i thought was worth more than the price tag.

i would have scored ODST a solid 8.5

and GoW3 about a 9.3

and i know my opinion =/= fact

Quaker-w00ts

Most critics and gamers agree with your opinion. Personally I'd give GOW3 a solid 9.5.

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#142 caligamer
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I find it silly how cows can say I haven't played GOWIII so I can't pass judgements but they can say whatever they want about ODST. Anyway, I compared facts to facts in my original post which proves that neither game deserves a 9 or a full price tag. If God of War was not in the name, then it would not receive the undeserving praise it's getting now.peanutbudduh

Name it ANYTHING you want, those graphics alone deserve at least 9/10.

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#143 Bread_or_Decide
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I find it silly how cows can say I haven't played GOWIII so I can't pass judgements but they can say whatever they want about ODST. Anyway, I compared facts to facts in my original post which proves that neither game deserves a 9 or a full price tag. If God of War was not in the name, then it would not receive the undeserving praise it's getting now.peanutbudduh
Nothing in the demo matches the first 15 minutes of GOW3. You have to play the game buddy. Nothing in ODST matches the first two hours of GOW3. I enjoyed ODST but never once did I bug out at anything that was going on in the game.
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#144 peanutbudduh
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[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"]I find it silly how cows can say I haven't played GOWIII so I can't pass judgements but they can say whatever they want about ODST. Anyway, I compared facts to facts in my original post which proves that neither game deserves a 9 or a full price tag. If God of War was not in the name, then it would not receive the undeserving praise it's getting now.Bread_or_Decide
Nothing in the demo matches the first 15 minutes of GOW3. You have to play the game buddy. Nothing in ODST matches the first two hours of GOW3. I enjoyed ODST but never once did I bug out at anything that was going on in the game.

Probably because ODST was an expansion made by a very small part of Bungie with virtually very little funding.
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#145 djsifer01
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OMG, are you serious? ODST is severally overrated. GOW3 is absolutely perfect, and should have scored a 10. I cant seriously believe people who have played ODST think that game deserved AAAE.
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#146 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="racing1750"]

ODST was far too similar to Halo 3 to be AAA worthy...more like AA...

KratosTwin

ODST has more changes to its gameplay, that God of War 3 does versus God of War 2 :? The only major core change to God of War 3 is that secondary weapons are fun to use this time, and in that same sense ODST is more grounded, with more of a pop to certain weapons, and a less forgiving health system.

That's a valid point actually. But we also need to take other factors into consideration to justify AAA status, such as production values, story, etc...

Fine Production values God of War 3 great graphics, ODST= weak graphics Audio- Great scores for both. Good voice acting for hte most part Story? God of War 3s if anything is a letdown in that area. The series to me has always been slightly overpraised for that element. It's presented nicely, but the actual story is an exceptional angry warrior wanting REVENGE!(something they beat in time and time again) on the gods. ODSTs story is presented nicely actually, it's just in the grand scheme of Halo lore, it feels like a pointless story. It's purpose seems very minimal. Then again Halo's usually had a great lore, but horrible execution because it's so badly written in the games. Gameplay is what drives a great game though, and the gameplay is a factor. Playing it safe isn't a flaw if it's done at a high level. God of War 3 does it's gameplay and design at a very high level. Then again so does Halo, haters just enjoy not giving credit.
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#147 BioShockOwnz
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[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]I played the crap out of both games. GOW3 kicked major ass. ODST is probably one of the worst purchases I've made.darthogre

Flip that around for me. I'll never play GoW3 again, but I finished ODST 3 times. Fantastic game.

Judging by the metacritic scores for both.......you are in the minority by far. But I'm sure you are going to explain how wrong the majority of people are compared to the few Lems that really think ODST is AAAA!!!

Majority? More people bought ODST on day one and have logged more hours into ODST.

Majority like teh Halo.

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#148 2mrw
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GOW3 :

story: the end of an epic triology.... nuf said.

gfx: one of the best games in this department on consoles, if not the best already.

gameplay and replayblity: if you are a hack n slash fans, it means hundreds of hrs of gameplay, the core didn't change, it's GOW game and a single player experience, luckily the game type provides alot of replay value.

Halo: ODTS

story: a mess of events that was put together to crearte the game, it's a shooter so it's ok, lemmings dun have to be embaressed.

gfx: 2007 gfx, the game is more of the same halo3 gfx.

gameplay and replaybility, the same as GOW3, the same core, multiplayer will guranteee hundreds of hrs of gameplay.

imo, GOW3 is on another level in almost every aspect, i am a hack and slash fan, so i expect shooters fans to have different opinions, both games have the same core, but when considering how much worthy they are a sequels, ODST shines as an expansion rather than half a game.

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#149 caligamer
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="peanutbudduh"]I find it silly how cows can say I haven't played GOWIII so I can't pass judgements but they can say whatever they want about ODST. Anyway, I compared facts to facts in my original post which proves that neither game deserves a 9 or a full price tag. If God of War was not in the name, then it would not receive the undeserving praise it's getting now.peanutbudduh
Nothing in the demo matches the first 15 minutes of GOW3. You have to play the game buddy. Nothing in ODST matches the first two hours of GOW3. I enjoyed ODST but never once did I bug out at anything that was going on in the game.

Probably because ODST was an expansion made by a very small part of Bungie with virtually very little funding.

Exactly so dont compare it to a real game like GOW3

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#150 Bread_or_Decide
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Hence why you can't use the demo to judge the final product.