Gran Turismo Sport is the best looking racing game. Period.

Forza Horizon 3 has physically based rendering (PBR). Try again clown.

This OP rikusaki said that the future was CLOUD and Streaming gaming ONLIVE went bankrupt sony just cut support on ps NOW off several devices, nvidia's cloud service isn't being used by anyone

Lossy compressed pixels are inferior to local machine's non-compressed pixels.

DX12 affects CPU side workloads.

Azure Cloud (Havok) enhances physics workloads.

Scorpio's higher grade GPU affects graphics hardware performance.

Have you been to Australia? The sun is well bright down there brother - I've had my eyeball sockets turned inside out and roasted clean off by 9am on a summer morning.

EDIT: That's why everything looks washed out a little. Australia is a little washed out.

This utterly obliterates every racing game in terms of graphics.

Neat but..

The contest starts with a series of time trial events in the game, with the winners flown to Silverstone in England to take part in a reality TV show

Stopped there

Forza Horizon doesn't look better than even Drive Club, Stop trolling.

On topic, Yes GT has a knack when it comes to Photo realism

@loe12k said:

@Rikusaki said:

While GT falls short in collision physics and engine sounds (although in this iteration, it has improved dramatically), the series has been second to none on achieving photo-realism.

I have a PC with a GTX 1060 that can max out both Forza Horizon 3 and Forza 6 Apex and they can't even hold a candle to GT Sports magnificent lighting, texture work and car models.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7WfGWDkBxE

We can compare GT leak videos.

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FH6 xbox and PC

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Forza just looks cartoonish compared to GT. The lighting is overly done, the reflections are odd. It just doesn't look "real"

Sorry to break it to you lems. But Forza 6 looks like a Fisher Price Racing compared to GT. You got beat by 5Club. You'll get beat by GT. Nothing you can do about it.

What do you think of these screenshots?

http://images.pushsquare.com/screenshots/76979/large.jpg

http://images.pushsquare.com/screenshots/76977/large.jpg

http://images.pushsquare.com/screenshots/76974/large.jpg

http://images.pushsquare.com/screenshots/76973/large.jpg

That's nice. Too bad it's still almost a full generation behind Forza in terms of content and execution.

@Rikusaki I figured you stopped posting after the GT5 incident.

Welcome back.

Yes.

The reason Forza looks so bad compared to GT and Driveclub isn't just the wimpy Xbox hardware. Turn 10 simply doesn't have the talent to compete with top of the line rendering engines. And they haven't gotten any better in the past ten years. They just keep crapping out iteration after iteration to try to pump up their sales numbers.

Forza will look just as bad running at 4k on Scorpio. Resolution and slightly higher poly counts can't fix Turn 10s primitive lighting model.

Looking good especially the replays, the car models and nice touch on the lighting. The question is does it hold 60fps.

Let's not forget that Polyphony actual sold demos several times

Forza Horizon 3 has physically based rendering (PBR) + Forward Plus technique with micro-tiling.. Try again clown.

The poster who spews a constant stream of technobabble about console hardware that is supposed to contradict what even games who aren't console software engineers can see with their own eyes about the relative graphical power of consoles, is spouting some technobabble about Forza while everyone is laughing at how bad it looks running in direct feed footage...

LOL

@gfxpipeline said:

@ronvalencia said:

@gfxpipeline said:

@Douevenlift_bro said:

Forza just looks cartoonish compared to GT. The lighting is overly done, the reflections are odd. It just doesn't look "real"

Yes.

The reason Forza looks so bad compared to GT and Driveclub isn't just the wimpy Xbox hardware. Turn 10 simply doesn't have the talent to compete with top of the line rendering engines. And they haven't gotten any better in the past ten years. They just keep crapping out iteration after iteration to try to pump up their sales numbers.

Forza will look just as bad running at 4k on Scorpio. Resolution and slightly higher poly counts can't fix Turn 10s primitive lighting model.

Forza Horizon 3 has physically based rendering (PBR). Try again clown.

The poster who spews a constant stream of technobabble about console hardware that is supposed to contradict what even games who aren't console software engineers can see with their own eyes about the relative graphical power of consoles, is spouting some technobabble about Forza while everyone is laughing at how bad it looks running in direct feed footage...

LOL

You don't know shit.

John Longcroft-Neal: The Forward+ technique we use is probably better described as 'Clustered Forward+'. All Forward+ techniques revolve around splitting up the screen into a regular grid of sub-rectangles (typically 32x32 pixels), then finding out which lights potentially effect each sub-rectangle before you start rendering. During surface shading, you load up the reduced light list for that sub-rectangle and process only those lights. The goal is to avoid processing lights that have no effect on the surfaces in the sub-rectangle.

The standard Forward+ technique uses a depth texture of the scene to cull lights from the list. There are two issues with this approach; firstly you need to render the depth texture as a pre-pass before the main scene in order to create the light lists; secondly semi-transparent surfaces cannot render to the depth pre-pass.

Clustered Forward+ avoids the need for a depth pre-pass altogether by calculating light lists at multiple depths for each sub-rectangle and using the most appropriate cluster during surface shading. We generate the light cluster data all on the GPU using Compute shaders and this is done for any rendered view that requires lights.

The advantage of Forward+ for us is that it just works with MSAA, at any level, whereas deferred techniques struggle to maintain decent anti-aliasing. Secondly you get the other benefits of forward shading such as allowing complex material types such as carbon fibre and car paint that are difficult to achieve using deferred techniques. We found that we could easily 'plug-in' Forward+ to the existing shaders which were already designed for forward rendering. The advantages of the Clustered approach to Forward+ for us were that semi-transparent surfaces did not need special consideration and most importantly we did not need to render a depth pre-pass.

https://youtu.be/s2y7e3Zm1xc

AMD's Forward Plus Rendering tech demo.

Playground uses a form of rendering known as Forward+, allowing for a vast amount of dynamic light sources without some of the compromises found in more traditional deferred rendering. It's also utilised in the PS4 title, The Order: 1866, but the principles were first showcased in the AMD 'Leo' demo, created two years ago

XBO is the second AMD GPU with tile render capability and other AMD GPUs for PCs and PS4 doesn't have this feature.

Vega introduces tile cache render for AMD PC GPUs.

MS's mistake with XBO is size of 32 MB ESRAM which compromised GPU's CU count.

NVIDIA shows a balanced micro-tile cache render and shader power balanced design.

Obviously graphics are important, but more important to me is the physics and the AI and other features and events.

I mean Driveclub looks great, but the game itself sucks because it's arcade and restricted to online play for the most part.

Isn't the OP the "Onlive Dude". Thought the earth swallowed him or something.

Here's more gifs.

http://wccftech.com/gt-sport-beta-easily-mistaken-real-races/

https://gifyu.com/images/gtsnusk.gif

https://gifyu.com/images/gtsuhcpc.gif

http://imgur.com/q9qHPpo.gif

@GameboyTroy: Forza still looks better

Doesn't matter..... GT series hasn't been top dog for years now...

Oh you mean like Forza 5? At least Polypony has the decency of calling them demos and charging them as such. Forza 5 was a glorified demo for Forza 6 sold as a complete game for $60.

@scatteh316: They still sell like top dog, outselling Forza by millions.

Survey says 'no'.

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http://forza.wikia.com/wiki/Forza_Motorsport_5/Car_List

http://forza.wikia.com/wiki/Forza_Motorsport_5/Track_List

Try again

@ronvalencia: WTFs your point?!?

That Forza had a lot more cars, and tracks compared to some GT instalments. Not that hard to figure out really...

The lighting alone completely destroys anything in Forza and on Xbone graphics-wise....

I got a feeling Forza 7 on Scorpio is going to make a lot of butthurt cows.

@quadknight: That looks pretty good but lets see in June what Forza 7 on Scorpio looks like first before declaring a champion. ;)

@ronvalencia: if you go by quantity alone then any Forza is a demo next to any GT since GT has so many more cars usually. That doesn't change the fact that Forza 5 was pretty lackluster with respect to what a complete game should be.

You hold on to that dream while the rest of us live in reality. Right now in the real world GT Sport is the racing graphics king.

Oh look, suddenly driving games are important to cows again? lololol

Who woulda think it? :P

@quadknight:

Is that gameplay? Damn that looks real.

I think Forza looks good but the GT footage is stop in your tracks have to look twice kind of good.

Every single GT game has looked jaw dropping in the photo mode but when you actually play the game for yourself it downgrades somewhat. I'm not saying they didn't look good. Although GT5 was so disappointing on that front. Included some assets from the PS2 if I remember correctly.

There's no shame in liking what you like though. Some prefer sim to arcade, some vice versa. I have enjoyed sim in the past but my all time favourite racing game is still outrun 2 because it's the one I keep going back to.

Sure.

@SecretPolice: When weren't they important?

It's a game that's not even out yet. You can have GT Sports is the racing graphics king for beta builds, but Forza still looks better, even the lighting.

@vfighter:

What rock you been hiding under? lol :P

Less tracks, Less cars and worse looking environments hardly the king. You guys are down with half polished games so its not shocking at all anymore you guys are falling over yourself to worship ingame replays of a race.

If Driveclub was the shit why did Sony shut that Studio down?

@SecretPolice: So like 2 of this boards insane ps fanboys speak for everybody? Or do the insane Xbox fanboys like yourself speak for us, I'm confused?

" Bolded " Yes you are, very and trust me, it comes as no surprise to anyone. lol :P

@SecretPolice: So you have zero idea, gotcha. A few "special" fanboys on either side don't speak for everybody, sorry troll.

"Bolded" Yes you are and again, trust me, nobody's surprised. lol :P

@lrdfancypants: Yep, those are realtime gameplay and replay mode gifs.

@FastRobby: Forza doesn't look better, go get new eyeballs. You're clinically blind.