@loe12k: ? @ a lem like you talking about closed studios and half polished games. The irony, you have no room to talk after CancelBound, Fable, and the flops your console has been getting all gen. While DC sold well they can only sell a small fraction of what a mainline GT game can sell in one release. Sony probably felt it was redundant having two realistic looking driving games on the market and decided to kill off the smaller franchise.
Nothing comes close to matching what Polyphony can do with lighting. Granted, these are photomode captures, but it demonstrates the talent behind this studio and their ability to accurately represent light and paint.
Yeah I checked it online and it looks really good, sounds much better as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56wCgzX_f-c
Don't know what's up with the HUD, but I like what I see otherwise. Wether it compares to the polish of Forza would be a wait and see approach. This is a beta.
@loe12k: ? @ a lem like you talking about closed studios and half polished games. The irony, you have no room to talk after CancelBound, Fable, and the flops your console has been getting all gen. While DC sold well they can only sell a small fraction of what a mainline GT game can sell in one release. Sony probably felt it was redundant having two realistic looking driving games on the market and decided to kill off the smaller franchise.
Scalebound troubles were Platinum. MS had enough. Fable was a free to play title, still in Alpha testing stage.
Driveclub actually got released and i heard 2 million copies got sold. But Sony shut that studio down because of bad press. MS don't shut down Turn 10 because of bad press or Forza selling bad.
We be 4 years into the launch of the consoles by the time GT release. There really is no excuse to be waiting for GT this long. Its not like you guys are seeing a vastly superior game to Forza. If anything Forza 6/ Apex its Forza 6 just running on PC looks superior to GT right now.
@loe12k: Forza 6 on PC doesn't look superior to GT Sport don't lie to yourself. Its fake looking lighting and reflections aren't something that the PC can magically fix. I agree PD takes too long with their releases but when you look at the sales each GT game brings it's probably worth it for Sony. Forza games are good but IMO they get released too frequently and because of that they really don't sell that good due to franchise fatigue. GT Sport alone will probably outsell all the Forza games released this gen combined.
@loe12k: Forza 6 on PC doesn't look superior to GT Sport don't lie to yourself. Its fake looking lighting and reflections aren't something that the PC can magically fix. I agree PD takes too long with their releases but when you look at the sales each GT game brings it's probably worth it for Sony. Forza games are good but IMO they get released too frequently and because of that they really don't sell that good due to franchise fatigue. GT Sport alone will probably outsell all the Forza games released this gen combined.
Have you played GT nope because there is only a few thousand in a beta. I have played Forza 6 Apex you likely have not. I can see what game looks superior already.
GT on PS4 pro will up against Forza 7 on Scorpio not 6 we see which game is better. I know already it be Forza 7 because 50 per cent of the game is based on in game content. And Forza will win there easily.
@loe12k: This is a graphics thread and currently GT Sport is winning in graphics. Mentioning a game like Forza 7 that no one has seen is like me saying God of War 5 will be a graphics king, it's baseless. At least wait till you've actually seen gameplay or a trailer before you make such a claim. GT Sport from the gameplay we have seen is the currently graphics king for driving games. Its lighting system is unmatched in the industry and it looks even more photorealistic than driving sims on PC.
Again Forza 6 doesn't look nearly as good as GT Sport. Bumping resolution isn't going to help its fake ass lighting system look real. GT Sport completely outclasses it in that department.
@loe12k: This is a graphics thread and currently GT Sport is winning in graphics. Mentioning a game like Forza 7 that no one has seen is like me saying God of War 5 will be a graphics king, it's baseless. At least wait till you've actually seen gameplay or a trailer before you make such a claim. GT Sport from the gameplay we have seen is the currently graphics king for driving games. Its lighting system is unmatched in the industry and it looks even more photorealistic than driving sims on PC.
Again Forza 6 doesn't look nearly as good as GT Sport. Bumping resolution isn't going to help its fake ass lighting system look real. GT Sport completely outclasses it in that department.
No is not the only thing you guys are raving about is ingame replays of cars going around the track. Watch the actual footage of the game. Car models look identical to Forza 6 but the environments look dull and faded, lifeless.
@loe12k: The gifs I posted are from gameplay and replay. We've already seen gameplay and the graphics still blow Forza 6 out of the water lol. You need glasses if you can't clearly see that Forza 6 has been outclassed. Even Driveclub destroyed Forza 6 when it came to lighting and graphics, it's not hard for GT Sport to do the same as well. Look, no one I saying Forza 6 doesn't look good, it does but GT Sport beats it hands down when it comes to graphics and looking photorealistic due to its much better lighting system.
@ronvalencia: if you go by quantity alone then any Forza is a demo next to any GT since GT has so many more cars usually. That doesn't change the fact that Forza 5 was pretty lackluster with respect to what a complete game should be.
That's bullshit. A demo is low single digit track count offered by Pony.
@loe12k: Forza 6 on PC doesn't look superior to GT Sport don't lie to yourself. Its fake looking lighting and reflections aren't something that the PC can magically fix. I agree PD takes too long with their releases but when you look at the sales each GT game brings it's probably worth it for Sony. Forza games are good but IMO they get released too frequently and because of that they really don't sell that good due to franchise fatigue. GT Sport alone will probably outsell all the Forza games released this gen combined.
Forza H3 has PBR and Forward Plus lighting. Your "Its fake looking lighting" assertion is a load of BS.
@lrdfancypants: Yes. Cars in Gran Turismo sustain very little damage. I remember the excuse was the lead director said they took so long to craft beautiful cars and damaging them would be tasteless or something like that. Over time your car will eventually look like a wreck good for the scrapyard in Forza.
It also handles collisions better. A 200Mph collision in Forza will result in you losing control of the vehicle and smashing into the borders. In GT they are much more forgiving which is quite ironic because they are generally more realistic when it comes to car handling. The feedback and the force of crashes just don't have the impact factor in GT. They never did.
As for the AI the AI still cheats in GT. They still had that bullshit rubber-band AI as of GT6. The AI in Forza plays by the same rules as the player and doesn't do a piss poor job at beating you. They calculate lanes and angles and overtake you fair and square. In GT for some odd reason they always catch up to you and the farther away from you they are, the better they are at negotiating turns and the faster they are.
There's a reason Forza is seen as the better racing game. GT hasn't evolved as a racer and prides itself as a SIM. Forza is a bit more arcady but as a racing SIM they are both widely outclassed by other games on PC. GT is like a SIM that doesn't want to be a SIM mainly because of some questionable design decisions.
The damages in both games aren't good, imo. Although Forza is better at it.
The AI in GT Sport looks different, which there's seemingly no "rubber-band" AI in the game as shown in the beta like it was in GT6:
GT6 was just a horrible game and it was disappointing or more disappointing than GT5, but GT Sport seems to be better.
edit: my bad I thought you mean the cars moving in a single line like the previous titles.
@ronvalencia: You can use all the technical bullshit buzz words in the world, doesn't change the fact Forza's lighting system is trash next to GT Sport's. You may be a blind lemming but the rest of us have eyes that tell us that GT Sport is the most photorealistic looking racer there is and Forza still looks like a game in its screenshots and gameplay thanks to its inferior lighting system. You're in complete fanboy denial here. In no way does Forza look as good as GT Sport and running it on a GTX 1080Ti won't revamp its weakass fake looking lighting system.
@cimbom1993: None of your screenshots hold a candle next to GT Sport. Your Forza photo mode pics still look like they are from a game, GT Sport's photo mode pics look like real life. If it wasn't for the "GT Sport" logo on them I'd think they were from a real life photo shoot.
@quadknight: Outside the "scape mode" pictures, i haven't seen any screenshot from GTS that looks better. I posted a gameplay direct feed from GTS wich looked nothing special compared to forza. Here are some gameplay shots
And look outside Supersampling and Car lod nothing changes in photo mode
@cimbom1993: None of your screenshots hold a candle next to GT Sport. Your Forza photo mode pics still look like they are from a game, GT Sport's photo mode pics look like real life. If it wasn't for the "GT Sport" logo on them I'd think they were from a real life photo shoot.
Yeah sure they do. You are going to be so owned this June. lol
I'm not a racing gamer fan but man, all of you gamers posting racing car gifs, they all look cool, I'm just enjoying the stuff you guys are posting. I'm really impress on just about all of them.
@ronvalencia: You can use all the technical bullshit buzz words in the world, doesn't change the fact Forza's lighting system is trash next to GT Sport's. You may be a blind lemming but the rest of us have eyes that tell us that GT Sport is the most photorealistic looking racer there is and Forza still looks like a game in its screenshots and gameplay thanks to its inferior lighting system. You're in complete fanboy denial here. In no way does Forza look as good as GT Sport and running it on a GTX 1080Ti won't revamp its weakass fake looking lighting system.
Forza H3 has PBR and Forward Plus lighting. Your "Its fake looking lighting" assertion is a load of BS.
The TFLOPS difference between XBO and PS4 is just 520 GFLOPS or 17 GFLOPS per frame for 30 fps target.
For 30 fps target
There's about 61 GFLOPS per frame for GPU with 1.83 TFLOPS
There's about 43.6 GFLOPS per frame for GPU with 1.31 TFLOPS
17.4 GFLOPS difference.
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There's about 140 GFLOPS per frame for GPU with 4.2 TFLOPS
There's about 200 GFLOPS per frame for GPU with 6 TFLOPS
60 GFLOPS difference.
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For 60 fps target
There's about 30.5 GFLOPS per frame for GPU with 1.83 TFLOPS
There's about 21.8 GFLOPS per frame for GPU with 1.31 TFLOPS
8.7 GFLOPS difference.
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There's about 70 GFLOPS per frame for GPU with 4.2 TFLOPS
There's about 100 GFLOPS per frame for GPU with 6 TFLOPS
@ronvalencia: Do you know anything about how games are made or is there nothing but rocks in that thick head of yours? What does processing power of a GPU have to do with anything when it comes to the lighting of a game that's already done? Forza 6 is already out and done already playing it with a beefy GPU is not going to magically make its lighting better. The way light bounces off cars in Forza and the color accuracy isn't going to magically improve because you improve the GPU it's running on. It's the same way Witcher 2 isn't going to suddenly look better than Witcher 3 when I play it on a top of the line PC. The whole lighting system needs a complete revamp as well as the color accuracy in the game. Your spec talk means absolute shit in this context. Is your brain capable of making logical arguments or do you just only regurgitate meaningless spec results that have nothing to do with arguments being made every time?
@ronvalencia: Do you know anything about game how games are made or is there nothing but rocks in that thick head of yours? What does processing power of a GPU have to do with anything when it comes to the lighting of a game that's already done? Forza 6 is already out and done already playing it with a beefy GPU is not going to magically make its lighting better. The way light bounces of cars in Forza and the color accuracy isn't going to magically improve because you improve the GPU it's running on. It's the same way Witcher 2 isn't going to suddenly look better than Witcher 3 when I play it on a top of the line PC. The whole lighting system needs a complete revamp as well as the color accuracy in the game. Your spec talk means absolute shit in this context. Is your brain capable of making logical arguments or do you just only regurgitate meaningless spec results that have nothing to do with arguments being made every time?
You don't know shit. https://takahiroharada.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/forward_plus.pdf
@ronvalencia: You're sounding like a broken record and an idiot at the same time. I'm going to assume you'll now proceed to produce two pages worth of charts to prove that you're indeed an idiot incapable of logical thought like I presumed lol.
@ronvalencia: You're sounding like a broken record and an idiot at the same time. I'm going to assume you'll now proceed to produce two pages worth of charts to prove that you're indeed an idiot incapable of logical thought like I presumed lol.
Again, you made unsupported bullshit claims. Read https://takahiroharada.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/forward_plus.pdf
@ronvalencia: I'm not gonna read jack shit. You need new eyeballs and a new brain if you can't clearly see GT's lighting system is better than whatever is in Forza 6. The videos and gifs in this thread are enough to prove your stupid ass wrong. Your external links aren't going to vindicate your dumb blind ass.
@ronvalencia: I'm not gonna read jack shit. You need new eyeballs and a new brain if you can't clearly see GT's lighting system is better than whatever is in Forza 6. The videos and gifs in this thread are enough to prove your stupid ass wrong. Your external links aren't going to vindicate your dumb blind ass.
The shrink gifs hides pixel details which is a flawed argument setup i.e. shrinking an image is like applying super sample. You don't know shit.
Your "fake lighting" assertion is a load of bullshit i.e. FH3 has PBR with Forward Plus lighting system you stupid cow.
@ronvalencia: Then watch the videos dumbass or look at the screenshots in the thread. Are you too stupid to click on YouTube links? In any case resolution isn't an issue here since the game runs at 4K with HDR on the Pro at a stable 60fps so your assertions about pixels are flat out bullshit. Shrunken gifs do not make lighting and colors look better and the lighting completely blows anything away on forza 6 as those of us with eyes can clearly see. If you truly think the reason GTS looks better and more photorealistic than forza 6 in gifs is because of squished pixels and not the lighting and color accuracy then there's no hope for you lol.
@ronvalencia: Then watch the videos dumbass or look at the screenshots in the thread. Are you too stupid to click on YouTube links? In any case resolution isn't an issue here since the game runs higher than 4K HDR on the Pro at a stable 60fps so your assertions about pixels are flat out bullshit. Shrunken gifs do not make lighting and colors look better and the lighting completely blows anything away on forza 6 as those of us with eyes can clearly see. If you truly think the reason GTS looks better and more photorealistic than forza 6 in gifs is because of squished pixels and not the lighting and color accuracy then there's no hope for you lol.
The only dumb-ass is you. I seen the youtube videos, what's special about the lighting system?
“The company has implemented the latest technologies for the visual enhancements specially the checkerboard rendering”, as claimed by Polyphony’s CEO
Without checkerboard rendering, it's effectively 4K 30 fps processing.
The latest lighting system technology is Forward Plus from AMD which is used in Sony's PS4 games.
Physically based rendering or PBR is a model in computer graphics that seeks to render graphics in a way that more accurately models the flow of light in the real world.
Every developer working on AMD GPU hardware should be on same page with AMD's Forward Plus lighting optimizations and both MS's Turn 10 and Sony devs are following GPU vendor's recommendations.
Forza 6 has PBR(physical material based rendering), SSR (screen space reflections) and Forward Plus.
@ronvalencia: ??? You're a complete idiot. Using FLOPs to measure color accuracy and how good the lighting in a game should be that you had no part in programming. The stupidity of your posts is just astounding.
LOL, who gives a shit if it's checkerboard 4K or true 4K, it still doesn't help your argument about why GTS looks better in gifs. Why don't you pull forza gifs running on PC and still get owned by GTS gifs? The resolution of GTS isn't the reason it looks better and more photorealistic in pics and videos it's the lighting you buffoon. Resolution has absolutely NOTHING to do with lighting.
I'm not a racing gamer fan but man, all of you gamers posting racing car gifs, they all look cool, I'm just enjoying the stuff you guys are posting. I'm really impress on just about all of them.
Here's one for you then, and it's funny because it's true lol.
@ronvalencia: ??? You're a complete idiot. Using FLOPs to measure color accuracy and how good the lighting in a game should be that you had no part in programming. The stupidity of your posts is just astounding.
LOL, who gives a shit if it's checkerboard 4K or true 4K, it still doesn't help your argument about why GTS looks better in gifs. Why don't you pull forza gifs running on PC and still get owned by GTS gifs? The resolution of GTS isn't the reason it looks better and more photorealistic in pics and videos it's the lighting you buffoon. Resolution has absolutely NOTHING to do with lighting.
Bullshit. GPU's available FLOPS are about budgeting compute resource for frame target. You have no business in any programming.
Forza 6 has PBR (physical material based rendering), SSR (screen space reflections) and Forward Plus rendering. PBR/Forward Plus/SSR's quality can increase or decrease depending on GPU's power. You claimed "fake lighting" which is bullshit.
Tiny 256 color(8bit) GTS gifs doesn't own anything. GIFs are not designed to store true-color data.
Without "scape mode" pictures, I haven't seen any screenshot from GTS that looks better.
You claimed 4K 60 fps and I debunked it. The only buffoon is you.
@ronvalencia: ??? You're a complete idiot. Using FLOPs to measure color accuracy and how good the lighting in a game should be that you had no part in programming. The stupidity of your posts is just astounding.
LOL, who gives a shit if it's checkerboard 4K or true 4K, it still doesn't help your argument about why GTS looks better in gifs. Why don't you pull forza gifs running on PC and still get owned by GTS gifs? The resolution of GTS isn't the reason it looks better and more photorealistic in pics and videos it's the lighting you buffoon. Resolution has absolutely NOTHING to do with lighting.
Bullshit. GPU's available FLOPS are about budgeting compute resource for frame target. You have no business in any programming.
Forza 6 has PBR (physical material based rendering), SSR (screen space reflections) and Forward Plus rendering. PBR/Forward Plus/SSR's quality can increase or decrease depending on GPU's power. You claimed "fake lighting" which is bullshit.
Tiny 256 color(8bit) GTS gifs doesn't own anything. GIFs are not designed to store true-color data.
Without "scape mode" pictures, I haven't seen any screenshot from GTS that looks better.
You claimed 4K 60 fps and I debunked it. The only buffoon is you.
You're an idiot I claimed 4K because I assumed an idiot like you knew I was talking checkerboard 4K. Everyone and their grandma knows PS4 Pro does checkerboard 4K most of the time, I don't need to spell out "checkerboard 4K" every time I type. My point still stands, resolution has no effect on actual graphics. If it did Half Life 2 running at 8K on a PC would be the best looking game ever. You're an idiot who's incapable of separating resolution and graphics and you continue to embarrass yourself in this thread. GT Sport looks better because its lighting system and color accuracy is better resulting in a more realistic looking image. It doesn't matter if you get Forza 6 to run at 4K or 8K, the resolution won't make up for the inferior lighting it has and GTS will continue to look better. This is simple for any idiot to understand but since you're a complete buffoon you will continue to repeat yourself and quote specs like a malfunctioning robot. Get your head out of your ass, and it's clear as night and day that GTS looks more photo-realistic than Forza 6.
I'm not a racing gamer fan but man, all of you gamers posting racing car gifs, they all look cool, I'm just enjoying the stuff you guys are posting. I'm really impress on just about all of them.
Here's one for you then, and it's funny because it's true lol.
Pretty funny though, Forza Horizon 2 is a better game than Driveclub!
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