Graphics are stagnating.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Eventually, graphics will reach a point where the only thing in which will improve will be scale.hd5870corei7

[QUOTE="hd5870corei7"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Eventually, graphics will reach a point where the only thing in which will improve will be scale.abuabed

So it has been nearly four years since Crysis came out and it is still the graphics king. Vanilla Crysis by itself looks better than 99% of games out there and then modded just takes it to a whole other level. So much so that I feel that even next gen graphics won't really be much better.

But, taking aside the fact that Crysis was a game light years ahead of its time, I am actually saying this because I feel that graphics are stagnating. Gaming started with graphics in Black and white and then moved up from 2D to 3D. It always had a lot of place to improve on as we've seen blurry 3D sprites evolve over the years into fully detailed characters that are getting closer and closer to real life graphics.

So as we are getting closer and closer to realistic graphics, what exactly are next gen graphics going to do to make graphics looks better than games such as Crysis fully modded? I doubt just pouring polygon over polygon at this point is going to make a difference. I also doubt textures and details are going to get much better.

So what is next really? 3D? That doesn't really add anything to the graphics per say. Virtual reality? I think we're still a bit far off from that.

Eggimannd

Crysis may be the best looking game around, but it isn't "light years" ahead of its time. The game doesn't look THAT much better than console games.

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

So it has been nearly four years since Crysis came out and it is still the graphics king. Vanilla Crysis by itself looks better than 99% of games out there and then modded just takes it to a whole other level. So much so that I feel that even next gen graphics won't really be much better.

But, taking aside the fact that Crysis was a game light years ahead of its time, I am actually saying this because I feel that graphics are stagnating. Gaming started with graphics in Black and white and then moved up from 2D to 3D. It always had a lot of place to improve on as we've seen blurry 3D sprites evolve over the years into fully detailed characters that are getting closer and closer to real life graphics.

So as we are getting closer and closer to realistic graphics, what exactly are next gen graphics going to do to make graphics looks better than games such as Crysis fully modded? I doubt just pouring polygon over polygon at this point is going to make a difference. I also doubt textures and details are going to get much better.

So what is next really? 3D? That doesn't really add anything to the graphics per say. Virtual reality? I think we're still a bit far off from that.

majadamus

Crysis may be the best looking game around, but it isn't "light years" ahead of its time. The game doesn't look THAT much better than console games.

I disagree, no console game comes close. Most console gamers sit 8+ feet from their screens so they don't notice the overuse of bloom to hide view distance pop up, or the jagged aliasing on textures. Crysis looks crisp quality even up close to the screen.

Heres the potential of what pc games can look like.. consolization has slowed the pc platform down by a long way.

Heres a video of the potential of Crysis

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

So it has been nearly four years since Crysis came out and it is still the graphics king. Vanilla Crysis by itself looks better than 99% of games out there and then modded just takes it to a whole other level. So much so that I feel that even next gen graphics won't really be much better.

But, taking aside the fact that Crysis was a game light years ahead of its time, I am actually saying this because I feel that graphics are stagnating. Gaming started with graphics in Black and white and then moved up from 2D to 3D. It always had a lot of place to improve on as we've seen blurry 3D sprites evolve over the years into fully detailed characters that are getting closer and closer to real life graphics.

So as we are getting closer and closer to realistic graphics, what exactly are next gen graphics going to do to make graphics looks better than games such as Crysis fully modded? I doubt just pouring polygon over polygon at this point is going to make a difference. I also doubt textures and details are going to get much better.

So what is next really? 3D? That doesn't really add anything to the graphics per say. Virtual reality? I think we're still a bit far off from that.

majadamus

Crysis may be the best looking game around, but it isn't "light years" ahead of its time. The game doesn't look THAT much better than console games.

All console games lack this:

[QUOTE="majadamus"]

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

So it has been nearly four years since Crysis came out and it is still the graphics king. Vanilla Crysis by itself looks better than 99% of games out there and then modded just takes it to a whole other level. So much so that I feel that even next gen graphics won't really be much better.

But, taking aside the fact that Crysis was a game light years ahead of its time, I am actually saying this because I feel that graphics are stagnating. Gaming started with graphics in Black and white and then moved up from 2D to 3D. It always had a lot of place to improve on as we've seen blurry 3D sprites evolve over the years into fully detailed characters that are getting closer and closer to real life graphics.

So as we are getting closer and closer to realistic graphics, what exactly are next gen graphics going to do to make graphics looks better than games such as Crysis fully modded? I doubt just pouring polygon over polygon at this point is going to make a difference. I also doubt textures and details are going to get much better.

So what is next really? 3D? That doesn't really add anything to the graphics per say. Virtual reality? I think we're still a bit far off from that.

Filthybastrd

Crysis may be the best looking game around, but it isn't "light years" ahead of its time. The game doesn't look THAT much better than console games.

All console games lack this:

lol..I knew you hermits wouldn't let this one slide.

What's the big deal about this? Destructive environments? Doesn't Bad Company 2 have this?

lol..I knew you hermits wouldn't let this one slide.

majadamus

So it's ok for you to suggest that the last five years has done nothing for technological advancement. But it's arrogant of us to suggest a game released long after consoles hardware was finalized, with long future proofing in mind, is far beyond console capability?

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="majadamus"]

Crysis may be the best looking game around, but it isn't "light years" ahead of its time. The game doesn't look THAT much better than console games.

majadamus

All console games lack this:

lol..I knew you hermits wouldn't let this one slide.

What's the big deal about this? Destructive environments? Doesn't Bad Company 2 have this?

Compared to:

Edit: That second picture looks like you're casting gravity in FF18.

Doesn't Bad Company 2 have this?

majadamus

Scripted destrution. Works OK, but it looks bad. The building collapses were sweet though, but there was no physics after they had fallen as opposed to Crysis where further explosions would continue to affect the wreckage.

At this point, I highly doubt we'll get a PC-exclusive that would have a similar impact made by HL2's initial release.flashn00b

Impact?

Starcraft 2 >>>> Half Life 2, in terms of impact. God knows how many millions of asians are playing SC2 right at this very moment, and the MP aspect will probably last at least for 10 years, as SC is still going strong after more then a decade.

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[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] You must have never had the chance to game on the PC.mitu123

If you stare at Kratos the whole time, then yes it set the standard. Best looking character I've seen on any platform.

no, it's just that kratos looks amazing. If you notice I only said kratos, not the whole game.

just look at this handsome fellow.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

If you stare at Kratos the whole time, then yes it set the standard. Best looking character I've seen on any platform.

theuncharted34

no, it's just that kratos looks amazing. If you notice I only said kratos, not the whole game.

just look at this handsome fellow.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] Sounds like you don't game enough on PC.D=

mitu123

no, it's just that kratos looks amazing. If you notice I only said kratos, not the whole game.

just look at this handsome fellow.

who's nomad?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

no, it's just that kratos looks amazing. If you notice I only said kratos, not the whole game.

just look at this handsome fellow.

theuncharted34

who's nomad?

the guy you play in the original Crysis

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] Sweet, but Nomad looks better.

GTSaiyanjin2

who's nomad?

the guy you play in the original Crysis

oh. well then no, kratos looks better. Also Crysis doesn't have very good animation, or gun models. Just because something is the king overall doesn't mean other games can't beat it in a few aspects. Btw kratos is just the one model that looks that good, the other's in Gow 3 are terribly inconsistent.

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

who's nomad?

theuncharted34

the guy you play in the original Crysis

oh. well then no, kratos looks better. Also Crysis doesn't have very good animation, or gun models. Just because something is the king overall doesn't mean other games can't beat it in a few aspects. Btw kratos is just the one model that looks that good, the other's in Gow 3 are terribly inconsistent.

I didnt beat gow3, but I remember hades looked pretty good. And yeah Kratos looks great, with superb animations to match.

Making the games look like CGI and adding realistic water physics maybe? That's just off the top of my head, though.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

the guy you play in the original Crysis

GTSaiyanjin2

oh. well then no, kratos looks better. Also Crysis doesn't have very good animation, or gun models. Just because something is the king overall doesn't mean other games can't beat it in a few aspects. Btw kratos is just the one model that looks that good, the other's in Gow 3 are terribly inconsistent.

I didnt beat gow3, but I remember hades looked pretty good. And yeah Kratoes great, with great animations to match.

yeah, but hera and hermes looked god awful in comparison :P

[QUOTE="majadamus"]

Doesn't Bad Company 2 have this?

psn8214

Scripted destrution. Works OK, but it looks bad. The building collapses were sweet though, but there was no physics after they had fallen as opposed to Crysis where further explosions would continue to affect the wreckage.

Considering we're fives years into this gen and the devs forhalf the big budget games released over the last few months couldn't even bother polishing their games... it's gonna be a while before we see graphics improve. Until development tools improve the only way to get a graphically and functionally outstanding game is to spend 4+ years and upwards of $50million.

Considering we're fives years into this gen and the devs forhalf the big budget games released over the last few months couldn't even bother polishing their games... it's gonna be a while before we see graphics improve. Until development tools improve the only way to get a graphically and functionally outstanding game is to spend 4+ years and upwards of $50million.

PatchMaster

Considering we're fives years into this gen and the devs forhalf the big budget games released over the last few months couldn't even bother polishing their games... it's gonna be a while before we see graphics improve. Until development tools improve the only way to get a graphically and functionally outstanding game is to spend 4+ years and upwards of $50million.

PatchMaster

or just have a really neat art style.

God Of War 3 is the graphical bar-setter in my eyes (on the consoles that is). I think graphics are definitely plateauing while motion controls (PS Move) and play-create-share mechanics pick up steam.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="majadamus"]

lol..I knew you hermits wouldn't let this one slide.

What's the big deal about this? Destructive environments? Doesn't Bad Company 2 have this?

marcogamer07

Compared to:

Edit: That second picture looks like you're casting gravity in FF18.

Is that taken with a 360 or PS3? It sure doesn't look like that on my PC... :S

Taken from Gamespot PC section.

Edit: you can download the free version of fraps and show us a few proper PC screens if you feel like demonstrating a point.

Can expect things to improve a bit with Rage next year.Ilikemyname420

or just have a really neat art style.

You forget in God of War 3 there are cut scenes that do not use the real in game model just like with Uncharted 2.

I think The Witcher 2 is an example of a game that is a generation ahead of consoles.

Next gen console games will probably look close to it.

I have seen live gameplay footage and in some areas I would say it beats Crysis.

Now Crysis does have certain things that can make it look better but for some reason The Witcher 2 seems.....well it's hard to explain.

I guess you will have to wait for it to come out and see it in person.

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

who's nomad?

theuncharted34

the guy you play in the original Crysis

oh. well then no, kratos looks better. Also Crysis doesn't have very good animation, or gun models. Just because something is the king overall doesn't mean other games can't beat it in a few aspects. Btw kratos is just the one model that looks that good, the other's in Gow 3 are terribly inconsistent.

Sorry I've beaten GoW3, and while Kratos looks superb, the character model simply doesn't look as good as Crysis models such as this one:

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

the guy you play in the original Crysis

Eggimannd

oh. well then no, kratos looks better. Also Crysis doesn't have very good animation, or gun models. Just because something is the king overall doesn't mean other games can't beat it in a few aspects. Btw kratos is just the one model that looks that good, the other's in Gow 3 are terribly inconsistent.

Sorry I've beaten GoW3, and while Kratos looks superb, the character model simply doesn't look as good as Crysis models such as this one:

sorry but kratos still looks better. Losing to "One" character model of one aspect isn't going to kill you. I would just let it go.

Got to love cut scenes with non in game models being used.

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

oh. well then no, kratos looks better. Also Crysis doesn't have very good animation, or gun models. Just because something is the king overall doesn't mean other games can't beat it in a few aspects. Btw kratos is just the one model that looks that good, the other's in Gow 3 are terribly inconsistent.

theuncharted34

Sorry I've beaten GoW3, and while Kratos looks superb, the character model simply doesn't look as good as Crysis models such as this one:

sorry but kratos still looks better. Losing to "One" character model of one aspect isn't going to kill you. I would just let it go.

Why would I let it go when you're clearly wrong? :?

Oh wait. I remember. You're blatanly bias towards console and say the most ridiculous things.

There's a difference between Kratos and a Crysis image.... Kratos in that image is pre-rendered isnt real time and is not the true ingame quality. Crysis on the other hand uses the same models through out the game no prerendering. 04dcarraher

the same exact model is used ingame. If it was pre rendered, kratos would look perfect. You can clearly see the edge of the polygons on his chest. Btw same with uncharted 2.

sorry but kratos still looks better. Losing to "One" character model of one aspect isn't going to kill you. I would just let it go.

theuncharted34

No one likes subjective opinionated arguments in a technical thread.

Quite frankly I cannot fathom what people see in the graphics in that game, there is a difference between art direction and technical quality. Someone may very well prefer the aesthetics of GOW3, but I have seen better technicals from other console titles.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

Sorry I've beaten GoW3, and while Kratos looks superb, the character model simply doesn't look as good as Crysis models such as this one:

Eggimannd

sorry but kratos still looks better. Losing to "One" character model of one aspect isn't going to kill you. I would just let it go.

Why would I let it go when you're clearly wrong? :?

Oh wait. I remember. You're blatanly bias towards console and say the most ridiculous things.

sure I am ;) one model looking better and I amz a cowz :roll: have a nice day.

What about Red Faction Guerrilla?

Grovilis

Awesome game! :D Awesome destruction too, expecially on PC with the advanced physics, and much improved particles. Shame the draw distance sucks, but they did a great job of hiding it. Can't wait for Armageddon.

sorry but kratos still looks better. Losing to "One" character model of one aspect isn't going to kill you. I would just let it go. theuncharted34

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

sorry but kratos still looks better. Losing to "One" character model of one aspect isn't going to kill you. I would just let it go. Ilikemyname420

Okay I stand corrected. That looks friggin amazing. What is that guys name so I know what to call the best model i've ever seen. Btw that is the realtime model of kratos though. OMG he admitted it! maybez he's isn'ts a cowz :P

Also has anyone heard about MS signing a deal with AMD to use AMD's Fusion 2 with the next Xbox? Which means low end Pc hardware going into the next xbox... even though it will be a improvement over the current xbox, but will again hold back Pc again.04dcarraher

do you have a link?

[QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

sorry but kratos still looks better. Losing to "One" character model of one aspect isn't going to kill you. I would just let it go.

Okay I stand corrected. That looks friggin amazing. What is that guys name so I know what to call the best model i've ever seen. Btw that is the realtime model of kratos though. OMG he admitted it! maybez he's isn'ts a cowz :P

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Also has anyone heard about MS signing a deal with AMD to use AMD's Fusion 2 with the next Xbox? Which means low end Pc hardware going into the next xbox... even though it will be a improvement over the current xbox, but will again hold back Pc again.theuncharted34

do you have a link?

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]There's a difference between Kratos and a Crysis image.... Kratos in that image is pre-rendered isnt real time and is not the true ingame quality. Crysis on the other hand uses the same models through out the game no prerendering. theuncharted34

the same exact model is used ingame. If it was pre rendered, kratos would look perfect. You can clearly see the edge of the polygons on his chest. Btw same with uncharted 2.

I don't mean pre-rendered. I mean the models are differen.

Uncharted 2 uses higher poly models in cut scenes with more detail just like the theater mode.

Just like in game like Halo Reach reach.

So it's not a real in game character.

Just like how Devil May Cry 4 cutscenes do not use the same models from cut scenes in the game.

The cutscenes use the same background but the models have more detail just like in a lot of game ( Uncharted /God of War 3)

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it's the real time model. seriously. just look at the jagged edges on his chest.

EDIT: all the cutscene does is zoom in on it. The same with uncharted 2.

it's the real time model. seriously. just look at the jagged edges on his chest.

theuncharted34

I am not saying it is prerendered.....sigh.

I am saying the model that is used in the cut scenes is not the same.

Just like the example I gave with devil may cry 4.

it's the real time model. seriously. just look at the jagged edges on his chest.

EDIT: all the cutscene does is zoom in on it. The same with uncharted 2.

theuncharted34

Ever heard of Bink video? I freaking hate it.

Essentially it's specifically designed to fake real time, in engine pre-render, saves optimization on the developers part; and can even hide loading screens (e.g. Arkham Asylum). It works fine on consoles, but once that 720p jaggie infested video is being stretched across a 1080p screen on PC; it's irritating. They intentionally use jaggies and other such imperfections to give the impression that it is real time, keep the experience consistent. Which is annoying for us PC gamers, because enabling AA cannot get rid of jaggies in bink videos.

Now I'm not saying the particular image you are talking about is bink video, I haven't seen it, nor have I played the game. But it's widely used throughout the console industry, games like Heavenly Sword and Force Unleashed are absolutely chock full of them.

See? your image vs real ingame textures? Different quality of detail, Look at his feet thats really high resolution :lol: