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#1 gaming25
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EDIT.Changed the topic name with just the vid.

http://n4g.com/news/662301/gran-turismo-5-vs-forza-3-ai-comparison-debunked/com

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#2 Pug-Nasty
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Didn't you know it's not politically correct to judge ps3 games and 360 games by the same rubric?

On PS3, a game that shares anything similar to other games is generic. On 360, those same games would be innovative.

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#3 madsnakehhh
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A youtube video and suddenly the media have lied??? :|

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#4 dog_dirt
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the video is amazing and has total changed my opinion on the AI in GT5. before i watched the video i was convinced that the AI was spinning me off at the start or had no idea that i was even on the track. turns out its all my fault and GT5 is perfect

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#5 GreySeal9
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Didn't you know it's not politically correct to judge ps3 games and 360 games by the same rubric?


On PS3, a game that shares anything similar to other games is generic. On 360, those same games would be innovative.

Pug-Nasty

Do you have any evidence to actually support these assertions?

Why do you automatically take this video from a poster who has a vested emotional interest in GT5 as some sort of basis for these assertions?

What does political correctness have to do with anything?

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#6 SteveTabernacle
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Right, because one youtube video disproves hundreds of critics and thousands of gamers. Obviously all those gamers are lying lemmings in disguise who have never really played the game. either because they don't own a PS3, or they died of old age waiting for it to load.
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#7 gaming25
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why do you automatically take this video from a biased poster as some sort of basis for these assertions?

And what makes him biased? Because he posted a vid for GT5?
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#8 johny300
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A youtube video and suddenly the media have lied??? :|

madsnakehhh

Have you even watched the video?

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#9 gaming25
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Right, because one youtube video disproves hundreds of critics and thousands of gamers. Obviously all those gamers are lying lemmings in disguise who have never really played the game. either because they don't own a PS3, or they died of old age waiting for it to load.SteveTabernacle
I dont think that was the point. Appearantly a site posted the vid that is being debunked.
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#10 sinpkr
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u guys just cant admit that JUST MAYBE Forza is a better game

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#12 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why do you automatically take this video from a biased poster as some sort of basis for these assertions?

gaming25

And what makes him biased? Because he posted a vid for GT5?

I'm not calling him biased. I edited my post to say that you have an emotional interest in posting this kind of thing, so a critical thinking person should take it with a grain of salt. That's not to say what the video indicates is absolutely false, just that going off on a "360/PS3" double standards rant doesn't make sense at this stage.

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#13 Anastasia1997
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u guys just cant admit that JUST MAYBE Forza is a better game

sinpkr
Its a better GMAE, but GT5 has much more content, and is a much superior simulator (Meaning having much better gameplay)
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#14 Wasdie  Moderator
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It's sad how far fanboys will go to defend/attack games.

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#15 gaming25
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u guys just cant admit that JUST MAYBE Forza is a better game

sinpkr
The vid isnt about that. Everyone has their own opinion on both games.
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#16 Zero_epyon
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http://n4g.com/news/662428/the-media-lies-about-gt5-ai/com

The vid does a fair comparision though.

gaming25
Interesting. Well that settles that.
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#17 TheMoreYouOwn
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Hmm. I've never been a fan of racing games and don't know if this vid will convince me to go get GT5, but I have to give the guy credit who put this together. And it does cause me to raise my eyebrow just a tad.
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#18 dog_dirt
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[QUOTE="sinpkr"]

u guys just cant admit that JUST MAYBE Forza is a better game

Anastasia1997
Its a better GMAE, but GT5 has much more content, and is a much superior simulator (Meaning having much better gameplay)

even so 9.5>>>>8.0
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#19 gaming25
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It's sad how far fanboys will go to defend/attack games.

Wasdie
And who exactly are you talking about?
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#20 GreySeal9
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I would like to know: what motivation does the media have to lie about GT5? What exactly is the motive for this conspiracy?

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#21 madsnakehhh
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Seriously you made a t[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

A youtube video and suddenly the media have lied??? :|

johny300

Have you even watched the video?

Yep, i did, it only debunked that Forza 3 vs GT5 comparison video, however, i fail to see the proof against the media.

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#22 gaming25
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[QUOTE="dog_dirt"][QUOTE="Anastasia1997"][QUOTE="sinpkr"]

u guys just cant admit that JUST MAYBE Forza is a better game

Its a better GMAE, but GT5 has much more content, and is a much superior simulator (Meaning having much better gameplay)

even so 9.5>>>>8.0

And you posted the score by one reviewer. That wasnt his point.
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[QUOTE="dog_dirt"][QUOTE="Anastasia1997"] Its a better GMAE, but GT5 has much more content, and is a much superior simulator (Meaning having much better gameplay)gaming25
even so 9.5>>>>8.0

And you posted the score by one reviewer. That wasnt his point.

what was his point.
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#24 gaming25
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[QUOTE="johny300"]Seriously you made a t[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

A youtube video and suddenly the media have lied??? :|

madsnakehhh

Have you even watched the video?

Yep, i did, it only debunked that Forza 3 vs GT5 comparison video, however, i fail to see the prove against the media.

Like I said, I think they were talking about in relation to the vid being created by a site and then other sites using it without cross referencing it.

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#25 PBSnipes
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Good on him for debunking that particular video and all, but this doesn't change the fact GT5 drivers will run you off the driving line even in wide sweepers (which is kind of a big issue, and one that doesn't appear in Forza 3).

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#26 UCF_Knight
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Yeahh the AI isn't THAT bad as that other video suggested. They clearly move out of the way when necessary. Like every time I go spinning around the track.. :P
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#27 GnR-SLaSh
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A youtube video and suddenly the media have lied??? :|

madsnakehhh

Can you just be honest with yourself and admit that the video makes a fair point, regardless of which website it is from?

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#28 deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="johny300"]Seriously you made a t[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

A youtube video and suddenly the media have lied??? :|

Have you even watched the video?

Yep, i did, it only debunked that Forza 3 vs GT5 comparison video, however, i fail to see the prove against the media.

I don't think it really proved the media lied but accused them of incompetance, suposedly some reviews feature the video. Not really lying but more unknowingly giving false information.
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#29 SaltyMeatballs
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8.0, it flopped. Forza 3 is better.
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#30 gaming25
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[QUOTE="GnR-SLaSh"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

A youtube video and suddenly the media have lied??? :|

Can you just be honest with yourself and admit that the video makes a fair point, regardless of which website it is from?

I changed the topic (from an article saying that the media lied), so it isnt his fault.
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#31 Kane04
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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

A youtube video and suddenly the media have lied??? :|

johny300

Have you even watched the video?

Does seem that way, its CLEAR AS DAY (except for lemmings) they try to make GT5 look bad. On the video by the way you can see why is that, the conditions were made terrible for GT5 and far easier for Forza 3, then the video shows the other way around and guess what, Forza 3 AI fails under the same conditions GT5 one did. Then you can see how under similar conditions as Forza 3 GT5 AI does as good (dont forget GT5 handles 11 cars and Forza 3 only 7). Then you can see loads of examples of GT5 AI dealing with situations and you can clearly see different reactions from all the 11 cars. Awesome video, great job, anyone who doesnt see...
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8.0, it flopped. Forza 3 is better.SaltyMeatballs

Not only applying to the current situation, if this is all someone can say I don't get why they even post in these threads.

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#33 madsnakehhh
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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="johny300"] Have you even watched the video?gaming25

Yep, i did, it only debunked that Forza 3 vs GT5 comparison video, however, i fail to see the prove against the media.

Like I said, I think they were talking about in relation to the vid being created by a site and then other sites using it without even cross referencing it.

Wait what? what kind of sites do that? If that was the case, then it's ok.

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#34 johny300
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[QUOTE="johny300"]Seriously you made a t[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

A youtube video and suddenly the media have lied??? :|

madsnakehhh

Have you even watched the video?

Yep, i did, it only debunked that Forza 3 vs GT5 comparison video, however, i fail to see the proof against the media.

The video proves that the AI is not as bad as people claim.
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#35 GreySeal9
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Again, what is the motivation for the media treating GT5 differently than other games? Why is there this conspiracy against GT5?

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#37 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="johny300"] Have you even watched the video?johny300

Yep, i did, it only debunked that Forza 3 vs GT5 comparison video, however, i fail to see the proof against the media.

The video proves that the AI is not as bad as people claim.

Most of the media did not say that the AI was terrible. They just said that it was underwhelming.

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#38 crusadernm
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why do you automatically take this video from a biased poster as some sort of basis for these assertions?

gaming25

And what makes him biased? Because he posted a vid for GT5?

I don't trust fanboys vids. Reviewers everywhere are saying GT5 AI is really bad. So looking at ur post history. You bias in favor for the PS3 or GT5 so I cant bellieve what you say either .

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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why do you automatically take this video from a biased poster as some sort of basis for these assertions?

crusadernm

And what makes him biased? Because he posted a vid for GT5?

I don't trust fanboys vids. Reviewers everywhere are saying GT5 AI is really bad. So looking at ur post history. You bias in favor for the PS3 or GT5 so I cant bellieve what you say either .

As far as I can see, reviewers didn't call it really bad. They just said it was not all that good.

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#40 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]8.0, it flopped. Forza 3 is better.PSdual_wielder

Not only applying to the current situation, if this is all someone can say I don't get why they even post in these threads.

People still trying to defend GT5 so much, trying to create conspiracies. The game flopped, had some bad design issues which reviewers did not like. Nothing is going to change that, and so what if cars can pass stationary vehicles "like" Forza 3, 6 years to be on par with Forza 3 AI (as far as that aspect goes)? Not flattering.
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#41 crusadernm
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[QUOTE="crusadernm"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] And what makes him biased? Because he posted a vid for GT5?GreySeal9

I don't trust fanboys vids. Reviewers everywhere are saying GT5 AI is really bad. So looking at ur post history. You bias in favor for the PS3 or GT5 so I cant bellieve what you say either .

As far as I can see, reviewers didn't call it really bad. They just said it was not all that good.

LOL. what's the difference.

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The cow tears are still delicious, weeks after GT5 flopped.SteveTabernacle
We all know it flopped, cheers.
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heh, i guess my answer to stuff like this is congrats, your game with no friends list support, no mechanical damage in sp, non-working online, no leaderboards, 80% recycled cars, dozens of copy pasted premiums, pop in, 50 min install that hardly improves load times, horrid music that we have all turned off, clunky last gen ui,limited tuning options, 5 year dev time, shipped unfinished and with a chore laden grind fest gt mode has good ai.

does it not upset anyone that gt5 has literally set the racing genre back by half a decade? no? ok that's cool i guess.

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I don't trust fanboys vids. Reviewers everywhere are saying GT5 AI is really bad. So looking at ur post history. You bias in favor for the PS3 or GT5 so I cant bellieve what you say either .crusadernm
I trust what i with my own eyes when i play it, the video is just turns opinions into FACTS, what else do you call something thats right there on your face in several different tracks and corners and on different weather conditions? GT5 AI is competent, video PROVES it, i'll believe that over some review wrote by an underpaid middle age guy.
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#45 Kahuna_1
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The AI in both games is the same. Both a******s.

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[QUOTE="crusadernm"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="crusadernm"]

I don't trust fanboys vids. Reviewers everywhere are saying GT5 AI is really bad. So looking at ur post history. You bias in favor for the PS3 or GT5 so I cant bellieve what you say either .

As far as I can see, reviewers didn't call it really bad. They just said it was not all that good.

LOL. what's the difference.

You criticise a person's posting history and yet your profile is private? Can't help but feel your hiding something?
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#47 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="crusadernm"]

I don't trust fanboys vids. Reviewers everywhere are saying GT5 AI is really bad. So looking at ur post history. You bias in favor for the PS3 or GT5 so I cant bellieve what you say either .

crusadernm

As far as I can see, reviewers didn't call it really bad. They just said it was not all that good.

LOL. what's the difference.

Are you serious with this?

Since when does not all that good have to mean terrible.

Not all that good can simply mean lackluster.

Why am I explaining this?

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heh, i guess my answer to stuff like this is congrats, your game with no friends list support, no mechanical damage in sp, non-working online, no leaderboards, 80% recycled cars, dozens of copy pasted premiums, pop in, 50 min install that hardly improves load times, horrid music that we have all turned off, clunky last gen ui,limited tuning options, 5 year dev time, shipped unfinished and with a chore laden grind fest gt mode has good ai.

does it not upset anyone that gt5 has literally set the racing genre back by half a decade? no? ok that's cool i guess.

Riverwolf007

Yeah I regret my purchase but sticking with it a for a few weeks has helped make it a little more enjoyable. It just isnt streamlined like Forza 3. And some of those standard models are so damn ugly I honestly think they look worse than the PS2 models because the upscaling blurs and jags them to hell and back.

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#49 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="crusadernm"]I don't trust fanboys vids. Reviewers everywhere are saying GT5 AI is really bad. So looking at ur post history. You bias in favor for the PS3 or GT5 so I cant bellieve what you say either .Kane04
I trust what i with my own eyes when i play it, the video is just turns opinions into FACTS, what else do you call something thats right there on your face in several different tracks and corners and on different weather conditions? GT5 AI is competent, video PROVES it, i'll believe that over some review wrote by an underpaid middle age guy.

What does being middle aged have to with anything?

Ageism?

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#50 gensigns
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Forza 3 is better. It's time to move on.