GT5 AI debunk vid.

I guess this proves that GT5 AI is not worse than F3 unlike what many reviewers said.

The "bonus" logic is so silly. When has another racing game had such a gulf between the quality of cars? When has a racing game had the majority of cars looking janky and a much small percentage looking amazing?

The "bonus" logic is so silly. When has another racing game had such a gulf between the quality of cars? When has a racing game had the majority of cars looking janky and a much small percentage looking amazing?

GreySeal9

Hmm unless you like going to photomode and zoom on the cars I bet you won't notice any difference in motion anyway reviews are nothing but a some person opinion so saying F3 > GT5 just because one got 8 on GS and other got 9.5 without even playing both games is just too stupid it's like saying MGS4 and GTA4 are the best games on HD consoles because both got 10 (while they are not).

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why do you automatically take this video from a biased poster as some sort of basis for these assertions?

gaming25

Because he's not bashing it, obviously... see my original post.

btw, I'm only half-serious.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Why do you automatically take this video from a biased poster as some sort of basis for these assertions?

Pug-Nasty

Because he's not bashing it, obviously... see my original post.

btw, I'm only half-serious.

Well, the dude that made the video is not who I'm calling biased, so...

I was just saying that you should put this thread through a critical thinking procedure before implying a media conspiracy against the PS3.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

The "bonus" logic is so silly. When has another racing game had such a gulf between the quality of cars? When has a racing game had the majority of cars looking janky and a much small percentage looking amazing?

Kashiwaba

Hmm unless you like going to photomode and zoom on the cars I bet you won't notice any difference in motion anyway reviews are nothing but a some person opinion so saying F3 > GT5 just because one got 8 on GS and other got 9.5 without even playing both games is just too stupid it's like saying MGS4 and GTA4 are the best games on HD consoles because both got 10 (while they are not).

In the end, a person's own opinion should be the only one that matters to them (outside of using reviews for general guidance), but I wasn't really talking about the score. I'm just saying that is frankly absurd that the cars differ in visual quality. They should all be premium quality. There wouldn't be as many cars, but you wouldn't have the standards dragging down the overall quality of the game.

GT5's AI isn't even that impressive.:?

I'm not implying any conspiracy, simply giving voice to an observation I've made. PS3 exclusive games get flack for the same crap that other games have, but never get mentioned. I remember Uncharted 1 getting flack from reviewers for making you stand still to regenerate health. It's just so odd to me.

I'm not implying any conspiracy, simply giving voice to an observation I've made. PS3 exclusive games get flack for the same crap that other games have, but never get mentioned. I remember Uncharted 1 getting flack from reviewers for making you stand still to regenerate health. It's just so odd to me.

Pug-Nasty

Examples?

And as for the Uncharted 2 example, what review said this and how do you know they never lodged the same complaint against another game on another system or on both systems?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_HJSJLL8_I

Wow @ 3:22.

Now, that's some smart AI. :o

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

The "bonus" logic is so silly. When has another racing game had such a gulf between the quality of cars? When has a racing game had the majority of cars looking janky and a much small percentage looking amazing?

GreySeal9

Hmm unless you like going to photomode and zoom on the cars I bet you won't notice any difference in motion anyway reviews are nothing but a some person opinion so saying F3 > GT5 just because one got 8 on GS and other got 9.5 without even playing both games is just too stupid it's like saying MGS4 and GTA4 are the best games on HD consoles because both got 10 (while they are not).

In the end, a person's own opinion should be the only one that matters to them (outside of using reviews for general guidance), but I wasn't really talking about the score. I'm just saying that is frankly absurd that the cars differ in visual quality. They should all be premium quality. There wouldn't be as many cars, but you wouldn't have the standards dragging down the overall quality of the game.

Bingo 80% of the cars look worse than 20% of the cars also 80% no in car view or better cosmetic damage. This is a major issue and if it were any other game the score would be lower than 8.0 imo.

This proves that GT5's AI is better than the original video comparison implied but not that it's actually good and in my experience, it's still rather awful.

The_Game21x

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

This proves that GT5's AI is better than the original video comparison implied but not that it's actually good and in my experience, it's still rather awful.

Rikusaki

So you're a GT5 fan again?

u guys just cant admit that JUST MAYBE Forza is a better game

sinpkr

I'm more inclined towards "You guys can't admit that JUST MAYBE GT5 is actually a good game"

Now, I hater racers but a lot of people are going insane here.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

I'm not implying any conspiracy, simply giving voice to an observation I've made. PS3 exclusive games get flack for the same crap that other games have, but never get mentioned. I remember Uncharted 1 getting flack from reviewers for making you stand still to regenerate health. It's just so odd to me.

GreySeal9

Examples?

And as for the Uncharted 2 example, what review said this and how do you know they never lodged the same complaint against another game on another system or on both systems?

I was talking about U1, not U2. I don't have examples, these are passing observations. It should be taken as such, my personal observations. I haven't researched the matter (and don't intend to), so I have no idea if it's the same reviewers or whatnot. Simply put, reviewers for any given publication should be using some standard rubric so as to give at least a little consistency between different reviewers on that site, so it really shouldn't matter if it's the same reviewer.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

This proves that GT5's AI is better than the original video comparison implied but not that it's actually good and in my experience, it's still rather awful.

GreySeal9

So you're a GT5 fan again?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

This proves that GT5's AI is better than the original video comparison implied but not that it's actually good and in my experience, it's still rather awful.

Rikusaki

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

I'm not implying any conspiracy, simply giving voice to an observation I've made. PS3 exclusive games get flack for the same crap that other games have, but never get mentioned. I remember Uncharted 1 getting flack from reviewers for making you stand still to regenerate health. It's just so odd to me.

Pug-Nasty

Examples?

And as for the Uncharted 2 example, what review said this and how do you know they never lodged the same complaint against another game on another system or on both systems?

I was talking about U1, not U2. I don't have examples, these are passing observations. It should be taken as such, my personal observations. I haven't researched the matter (and don't intend to), so I have no idea if it's the same reviewers or whatnot. Simply put, reviewers for any given publication should be using some standard rubric so as to give at least a little consistency between different reviewers on that site, so it really shouldn't matter if it's the same reviewer.

I meant Uncharted 1. That was a typo.

I'm not asking a question about same or different reviewers because I honestly don't care about it. I'm asking how you know that these complaints are being lodged against Uncharted and Uncharted only.

So what sites lodged that complaint and how do you know that the criticism was a case of inconsistency?

After all, to make about consistency or PS3 games being held to a different standards, you need a basis for comparison.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

This proves that GT5's AI is better than the original video comparison implied but not that it's actually good and in my experience, it's still rather awful.

The_Game21x

Why should it change your personal experience?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Skip to 7:14 and tell me that's not smart. ;) Show me another racing game that has AI drivers behave like that.

Kashiwaba

Why should it change your personal experience?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"] Okay? Exactly what does that change about my personal experience?Rikusaki

Umm...yes I can. In my experience, GT5's AI has not been good. Period. I've been slammed into, taken out, bashed into walls and so on by this AI through no fault of my own.

Hell, if I were the only one saying GT5's AI is retarded, I'd understand where you were coming from but its dumb AI has been a common complaint about the game from critics and people who've played the game.

being worried about the ai in gt5 is like being worried that you caught a cold on the way home from the doctor that just told you that your cancer tests came back positive.

average ai is a drop in the bucket when it comes to gt5 problems.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"] Okay? Exactly what does that change about my personal experience?The_Game21x

Umm...yes I can. In my experience, GT5's AI has not been good. Period. I've been slammed into, taken out, bashed into walls and so on by this AI through no fault of my own.

Hell, if I were the only one saying GT5's AI is retarded, I'd understand where you were coming from but its dumb AI has been a common complaint about the game from critics and people who've played the game.

I would rather call it an aggressive AI rather than retarded from my own experience they become very aggressive and start bumping into me and trying make my car spin specially during the last lap.

being worried about the ai in gt5 is like being worried that you caught a cold on the way home from the doctor that just told you that your cancer tests came back positive.

average ai is a drop in the bucket when it comes to gt5 problems.

Riverwolf007

Care to explain?

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

being worried about the ai in gt5 is like being worried that you caught a cold on the way home from the doctor that just told you that your cancer tests came back positive.

average ai is a drop in the bucket when it comes to gt5 problems.

Kashiwaba

Care to explain?

heh, i guess my answer to stuff like this is congrats, your game with no friends list support, no mechanical damage in sp, non-working online, no leaderboards, 80% recycled cars, dozens of copy pasted premiums, pop in, 50 min install that hardly improves load times, horrid music that we have all turned off, clunky last gen ui,limited tuning options, 5 year dev time, and shipped unfinished with a chore laden grind fest gt mode has good ai.

does it not upset anyone that gt5 has literally set the racing genre back by half a decade? no? ok that's cool i guess.

Riverwolf007

Umm...yes I can. In my experience, GT5's AI has not been good. Period. I've been slammed into, taken out, bashed into walls and so on by this AI through no fault of my own.

Hell, if I were the only one saying GT5's AI is retarded, I'd understand where you were coming from but its dumb AI has been a common complaint about the game from critics and people who've played the game.

The_Game21x

Not specific enough.

"I've been slammed into." You're telling me nothing.

If anything, accidents are realistic, are they not? Let's take a quote directly form the video, shall we?

"More often then not, if you're bumped, it's mostly your fault. You might have invaded their line, or braked too early. These errors will lead to crashes (or penalties) even in real life."

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Umm...yes I can. In my experience, GT5's AI has not been good. Period. I've been slammed into, taken out, bashed into walls and so on by this AI through no fault of my own.

Hell, if I were the only one saying GT5's AI is retarded, I'd understand where you were coming from but its dumb AI has been a common complaint about the game from critics and people who've played the game.

Rikusaki

Not specific enough.

"I've been slammed into." You're telling me nothing.

If anything, accidents are realistic, are they not? Let's take a quote directly form the video, shall we?

"More often then not, if you're bumped, it's mostly your fault. You might have invaded their line, or braked too early. These errors will lead to crashes (or penalties) even in real life."

Whatever dude, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you about my own personal experience that I've gotten from playing the freaking game. Quite frankly, I don't have to be any more specific than I've already been and even what I've said is more explanation than I owe you (which is none). In my experience, GT5's AI is stupid. End of story.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

heh, i guess my answer to stuff like this is congrats, your game with no friends list support, no mechanical damage in sp, non-working online, no leaderboards, 80% recycled cars, dozens of copy pasted premiums, pop in, 50 min install that hardly improves load times, horrid music that we have all turned off, clunky last gen ui,limited tuning options, 5 year dev time, and shipped unfinished with a chore laden grind fest gt mode has good ai.

does it not upset anyone that gt5 has literally set the racing genre back by half a decade? no? ok that's cool i guess.

Riverwolf007

For me I guess what Racing1750 said in the hype thread is the perfect description for GT5.

Do you know what GT5 remind me of? That BMW M5 review that Jeremy did in 2005. The car had a lot of niggles that ruined it, but once you pressed the M button everything that was annoying didn't matter.

I just drove that caterham on the TG test track. At that moment I realized all the design flaws were no longer in my head. GT5 made me feel like I was driving this super light track day car on this track. I felt for all the small niggles, GT5 was doing what it does best. Put you in the seat of a car and make you feel like you're really there.

I know I've had a lot of bad things to say, but when you drive a car with no assists in GT5, it makes complete sense.

I feel like GT5 is that M5. All the faults that could drive you mad. But press that M button, and nothing else matters.

racing1750

In my experience, GT5's AI is stupid. End of story.

The_Game21x

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]...

Kashiwaba

For me I guess what Racing1750 said in the hype thread is the perfect description for GT5.

Do you know what GT5 remind me of? That BMW M5 review that Jeremy did in 2005. The car had a lot of niggles that ruined it, but once you pressed the M button everything that was annoying didn't matter.

I just drove that caterham on the TG test track. At that moment I realized all the design flaws were no longer in my head. GT5 made me feel like I was driving this super light track day car on this track. I felt for all the small niggles, GT5 was doing what it does best. Put you in the seat of a car and make you feel like you're really there.

I know I've had a lot of bad things to say, but when you drive a car with no assists in GT5, it makes complete sense.

I feel like GT5 is that M5. All the faults that could drive you mad. But press that M button, and nothing else matters.

racing1750

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

For me I guess what Racing1750 said in the hype thread is the perfect description for GT5.

[QUOTE="racing1750"]

Do you know what GT5 remind me of? That BMW M5 review that Jeremy did in 2005. The car had a lot of niggles that ruined it, but once you pressed the M button everything that was annoying didn't matter.

I just drove that caterham on the TG test track. At that moment I realized all the design flaws were no longer in my head. GT5 made me feel like I was driving this super light track day car on this track. I felt for all the small niggles, GT5 was doing what it does best. Put you in the seat of a car and make you feel like you're really there.

I know I've had a lot of bad things to say, but when you drive a car with no assists in GT5, it makes complete sense.

I feel like GT5 is that M5. All the faults that could drive you mad. But press that M button, and nothing else matters.

Riverwolf007

in the bmw example that guy (top gear reviewer i'm assuming) can say that with the full knowledge that he himself would never own that car.

Still I think the point is GT5 does what its supposed to do the best and that the core gameplay (Driving the car) and I completely agree with this, its one of the areas where GT5 shines.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]In my experience, GT5's AI is stupid. End of story.

Rikusaki

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]In my experience, GT5's AI is stupid. End of story.

Rikusaki

i don't give bonus points for doing the very basic aspect of what you are supposed to do.

gt has had amazing gameplay since the very first one, that does not fly anymore a dev needs to be competent in all aspects of game design and poly has proved they are not able to do this.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

heh, i guess my answer to stuff like this is congrats, your game with no friends list support, no mechanical damage in sp, non-working online, no leaderboards, 80% recycled cars, dozens of copy pasted premiums, pop in, 50 min install that hardly improves load times, horrid music that we have all turned off, clunky last gen ui,limited tuning options, 5 year dev time, and shipped unfinished with a chore laden grind fest gt mode has good ai.

does it not upset anyone that gt5 has literally set the racing genre back by half a decade? no? ok that's cool i guess.

Riverwolf007

i don't give bonus points for doing the very basic aspect of what you are supposed to do.

gt has had amazing gameplay since the very first one, that does not fly anymore a dev needs to be competent in all aspects of game design and poly has proved they are not able to do this.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

heh, i guess my answer to stuff like this is congrats, your game with no friends list support, no mechanical damage in sp, non-working online, no leaderboards, 80% recycled cars, dozens of copy pasted premiums, pop in, 50 min install that hardly improves load times, horrid music that we have all turned off, clunky last gen ui,limited tuning options, 5 year dev time, and shipped unfinished with a chore laden grind fest gt mode has good ai.

does it not upset anyone that gt5 has literally set the racing genre back by half a decade? no? ok that's cool i guess.

gaming25

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i don't give bonus points for doing the very basic aspect of what you are supposed to do.

gt has had amazing gameplay since the very first one, that does not fly anymore a dev needs to be competent in all aspects of game design and poly has proved they are not able to do this.

gaming25

now with that information in hand why do i have to type in a 20 digit code to join my friends game? (which never worked anyway for the enire week i had the game)

this game is primitive.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i don't give bonus points for doing the very basic aspect of what you are supposed to do.

gt has had amazing gameplay since the very first one, that does not fly anymore a dev needs to be competent in all aspects of game design and poly has proved they are not able to do this.

Riverwolf007

now with that information in hand why do i have to type in a 20 digit code to join my friends game?

this game is primitive.

I guess this proves you didn't play the game xD OK now any more argument with you is a waste of time.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] So the MAIN thing that they do isnt good enough? PD is competent in all of the aspects, but just like any other game it has a couple of flaws. The A Spec is great, the online is pretty good, the cars are really good. And the special events are very good as well. But the only problem I see is probably not enough A Spec events, other than that, I dont see that much wrong with the game.Kashiwaba

now with that information in hand why do i have to type in a 20 digit code to join my friends game?

this game is primitive.

I guess this prove you didn't play the game xD OK now any more argument with you is a waste of time.

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]a couple of flaws... :lol: what year is this? go on.. look it up i'll wait.....

now with that information in hand why do i have to type in a 20 digit code to join my friends game?

this game is primitive.

Riverwolf007

I guess this prove you didn't play the game xD OK now any more argument with you is a waste of time.

Sadly what you said is completely wrong having the trophies won't prove anything you said you played the game for 1 whole week and you didn't even know this the 20 digits code is for the forums so other people can join your room without having to add you, you can join your friends rooms or they can join your room through the community page just go to your friend name and you will find a green dot next to his lounge it will show you where is your friend and he is playing with who also you can join him through it.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

I guess this prove you didn't play the game xD OK now any more argument with you is a waste of time.

Kashiwaba

Sadly what you said is completely wrong having the trophies won't prove anything you said you played the game for 1 whole week and you didn't even know this the 20 digits code is for the forums so other people can join your room without having to add you, you can join your friends rooms or they can join your room through the community page just go to your friend name and you will find a green dot next to his lounge it will show you where is your friend and he is playing with who also you can join him through it.

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]lulz, unfortunately i have the trophys to prove it.

Riverwolf007

Sadly what you said is completely wrong having the trophies won't prove anything you said you played the game for 1 whole week and you didn't even know this the 20 digits code is for the forums so other people can join your room without having to add you, you can join your friends rooms or they can join your room through the community page just go to your friend name and you will find a green dot next to his lounge it will show you where is your friend and he is playing with who also you can join him through it.

No they don't have to be in their lounge it can work if they were in any room I spent over 100 hours playing the game and played dozens of online races with friends and other people so I know how it works.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Examples?

And as for the Uncharted 2 example, what review said this and how do you know they never lodged the same complaint against another game on another system or on both systems?

GreySeal9

I was talking about U1, not U2. I don't have examples, these are passing observations. It should be taken as such, my personal observations. I haven't researched the matter (and don't intend to), so I have no idea if it's the same reviewers or whatnot. Simply put, reviewers for any given publication should be using some standard rubric so as to give at least a little consistency between different reviewers on that site, so it really shouldn't matter if it's the same reviewer.

I meant Uncharted 1. That was a typo.

I'm not asking a question about same or different reviewers because I honestly don't care about it. I'm asking how you know that these complaints are being lodged against Uncharted and Uncharted only.

So what sites lodged that complaint and how do you know that the criticism was a case of inconsistency?

After all, to make about consistency or PS3 games being held to a different standards, you need a basis for comparison.

As I said, these are trend I've noticed in passing. They are by no means conclusive, just what I have noticed. Of course, my standards aren't eveyone's, so what I call flaws, such as Halo's gunplay or Gears' clunky mechanics, may not be flaws to most. I also find most online games are too laggy to be called competitive but, again, that's just me.

As far as sites, both IGN and Gamepot reviews are all over the place in both scores and review content. I'm talking about what they praise and gripe about. For this reason, I have just stopped reading reviews altogether, because they are so inconsistent. I get subjectivity, but I think there should be a rubric that all the reviews on a site should follow, be rated on, then the writing can show the reviewers opinion.

u guys just cant admit that JUST MAYBE Forza is a better game

sinpkr

^this. can we please stop with the 500 GT5 topics a day please? the game flopped. lets all move on.

[QUOTE="sinpkr"]

u guys just cant admit that JUST MAYBE Forza is a better game

todd2r

^this. can we please stop with the 500 GT5 topics a day please? the game flopped. lets all move on.

The problem is lems and hardcore cows are making these threads lol GT5 fans are still posting about their personal experience in the official thread.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i don't give bonus points for doing the very basic aspect of what you are supposed to do.

gt has had amazing gameplay since the very first one, that does not fly anymore a dev needs to be competent in all aspects of game design and poly has proved they are not able to do this.

Riverwolf007

now with that information in hand why do i have to type in a 20 digit code to join my friends game? (which never worked anyway for the enire week i had the game)

this game is primitive.