Guess what, consolites, 90% of US DS Gamers Pirate their games...

So guess who else is calling BS on this statistic? That's right, the ESPLA themselves! A spokesman for the ESPLA said "[John] didn't quote The Sunday Post on any figures whatsoever. ELSPA would certainly never presume to comment about America or anywhere else outside of the UK." As for the origin of the statement, "The quotes from The Sunday Post were ascribed to his name from another article which originates from a website in Singapore. This, it appears, is where The Sunday Post first found out about the supposed R4 situation and for some reason unknown to John have quoted him on what this article said." Another group calling BS on this is a rather important one: Nintendo. "As far as Nintendo are concerned, the facts are completely spurious." Source. So if you called BS on this, give yourself a pat on the back! If you believed this for whatever reason... what were you thinking?Hoffgod

I was waiting for something like this.

There is another thread on this somewhere.

What the hell is an R4 chip anyway? :?darklord888

A great great chip that lets you download not saying anymore

Great, so you finall provided evidence that the statistics were bunk. The R4 chip is still a major thorn in nintendo's side, and there is a good deal of piracy on the DS.Vandalvideo

Common sense wasnt enough?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Great, so you finall provided evidence that the statistics were bunk. The R4 chip is still a major thorn in nintendo's side, and there is a good deal of piracy on the DS.cakeorrdeath

Common sense wasnt enough?

So guess who else is calling BS on this statistic? That's right, the ESPLA themselves! A spokesman for the ESPLA said "[John] didn't quote The Sunday Post on any figures whatsoever. ELSPA would certainly never presume to comment about America or anywhere else outside of the UK." As for the origin of the statement, "The quotes from The Sunday Post were ascribed to his name from another article which originates from a website in Singapore. This, it appears, is where The Sunday Post first found out about the supposed R4 situation and for some reason unknown to John have quoted him on what this article said." Another group calling BS on this is a rather important one: Nintendo. "As far as Nintendo are concerned, the facts are completely spurious." Source. So if you called BS on this, give yourself a pat on the back! If you believed this for whatever reason... what were you thinking?Hoffgod

LoL. Good find Hoffgod, I can't believe it took 300+ posts to finally put this to rest.

no they don't

and PC gaming is not dying fanboy

the_h_bomb

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Great, so you finall provided evidence that the statistics were bunk. The R4 chip is still a major thorn in nintendo's side, and there is a good deal of piracy on the DS.cakeorrdeath

I know, it's just plain common sense, basic common sense that 90% is wrong but you Vandal dragged it out because of "credibility" not confirmation or fact just credibility. Sorry... facts are kindg and this just proves that yet again

Common sense wasnt enough?

[QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]and yet DS software sales consistently do the best out of all the systems. BS i say :|Dreams-Visions

As in, if they get 30% of the DS market to buy games, it'll be more than any nextGen console's total base.

good point.

90% still way too high though.

I don't see any reason for the ELSPA to lie about it. What would they have to gain from such an indictment, were it untrue? And don't you think Nintendo would have come back strongly against such a claim if it were unfounded?

Again, this isn't some random analyst commenting. This is coming directly from the Entertainment and Leisure Software Publishers Association

http://www.elspa.com/

All they do is fight piracy.

Time for a life lesson 101, ok organizations cost money to run rite? well if a organization that say a organization that trys to prevent crime and there's barely no crime in this such and such place, there would be no reason for that organization to exists see.You can be surprised on what business/organizations would do to keep getting funds/money.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Great, so you finall provided evidence that the statistics were bunk. The R4 chip is still a major thorn in nintendo's side, and there is a good deal of piracy on the DS.Hoffgod

this is completely bunk

however, i do pirate my ds and psp games admittedly

i also do something thats even worse however, and it's completely legal

it's called buying/selling used games... console games have been plagued by this for a while

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Great, so you finall provided evidence that the statistics were bunk. The R4 chip is still a major thorn in nintendo's side, and there is a good deal of piracy on the DS.haris12121212

Exactly, I feel sorry for anyone who trusts credibility over fact and proof. That kind of thinking leads to ALOT of problems and people conforming and doing what they are told. Basically what you seeing in north america now.... people just accept things and don't question because "why would the government do anything wrong" etc....

Thank god like with Crime Scene Investagating they don't just go by credibility and let evidence prove or disprove things

Sure wasn't and isn't.Vandalvideo

It should be. If someone says something patently ridiculous you shouldn't accept is as fact

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Great, so you finall provided evidence that the statistics were bunk. The R4 chip is still a major thorn in nintendo's side, and there is a good deal of piracy on the DS.haris12121212

Exactly, I feel sorry for anyone who trusts credibility over fact and proof. That kind of thinking leads to ALOT of problems and people conforming and doing what they are told. Basically what you seeing in north america now.... people just accept things and don't question because "why would the government do anything wrong" etc....Thank god like with Crime Scene Investagating they don't just go by credibility and let evidence prove or disprove thingskcpp2b

[QUOTE="haris12121212"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Great, so you finall provided evidence that the statistics were bunk. The R4 chip is still a major thorn in nintendo's side, and there is a good deal of piracy on the DS.Vandalvideo

It should be. If someone says something patently ridiculous you shouldn't accept is as factthe_h_bomb

And credibility proves what? haris12121212

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]And credibility proves what? Vandalvideo

*face palms*

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]And credibility proves what? Vandalvideo

I don't think that was the lesson. I think the lesson involved not believing something that sounds truly ridiculous, even if it seems to come from a credible source.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="haris12121212"]And credibility proves what? Corvin

I don't think that was the lesson. I think the lesson involved not believing something that sounds truly ridiculous, even if it seems to come from a credible source.

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]And credibility proves what? Vandalvideo

Let's say a world wide popular researcher says 90% of the people in Germany don't watch TV at home. He doesn't bring any statistics to the table only his "word" aka credibility. You would still use his word as a given over you own logic?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="haris12121212"]And credibility proves what? haris12121212

Let's say a world wide popular researcher says 90% of the people in Germany don't watch TV at home. He doesn't bring any statistics to the table only his "word" aka credibility. You would still use his word as a given over you own logic?

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="haris12121212"]And credibility proves what? Vandalvideo

Let's say a world wide popular researcher says 90% of the people in Germany don't watch TV at home. He doesn't bring any statistics to the table only his "word" aka credibility. You would still use his word as a given over you own logic?

I didn'T want to proove antyhing that was illogical and that I was 100% sure it was wrong. But you still didn't answer my question, you would take someones word as a given even if its utter nonesense, over your own sense/logic? haris12121212

[QUOTE="Corvin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="haris12121212"]And credibility proves what? Vandalvideo

I don't think that was the lesson. I think the lesson involved not believing something that sounds truly ridiculous, even if it seems to come from a credible source.

The point is there is no need for people to disprove something that is so obviously far fetched. Anything far fetched and hell even not so far fetched has gotta be proved. Or else it's all just some guy yapping his lips. Credible lips or not. Means nothing to me

The point is there is no need for people to disprove something that is so obviously far fetched. Anything far fetched and hell even not so far fetched has gotta be proved. Or else it's all just some guy yapping his lips. Credible lips or not. Means nothing to mekcpp2b

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]I didn'T want to proove antyhing that was illogical and that I was 100% sure it was wrong. But you still didn't answer my question, you would take someones word as a given even if its utter nonesense, over your own sense/logic? Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Corvin"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="haris12121212"]And credibility proves what? Vandalvideo

I don't think that was the lesson. I think the lesson involved not believing something that sounds truly ridiculous, even if it seems to come from a credible source.

Alrighty then...

I don'T care about the 17 page arguing, I know we didn't have any proof by saying that, but they neither didn't bring any proof, there were no stats to back up their statement. When you say something you gotta prove it, You don't say something without proof, then wait for the other guy to contradict you with proof and only then search for proof to your own statement. Forget all that, I just want you to answer my question. Would you take someones word as a given even if its utter nonesense, over your own sense/logic? It really simple, yes and No. haris12121212

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]I don'T care about the 17 page arguing, I know we didn't have any proof by saying that, but they neither didn't bring any proof, there were no stats to back up their statement. When you say something you gotta prove it, You don't say something without proof, then wait for the other guy to contradict you with proof and only then search for proof to your own statement. Forget all that, I just want you to answer my question. Would you take someones word as a given even if its utter nonesense, over your own sense/logic? It really simple, yes and No. Vandalvideo

You still skip my question, knowing you can't answer Yes cause it iwouldn't make any sense. And to answer you, they can't neither scream 90% without any proof. Even if they are specialists. It goes both way. It's not because they are specialst they can claim things without any proof.haris12121212

Unelss that person has credibility. You have to prove that its patently false.Vandalvideo

Credibility?

He is from a different country. His job is to overplay the threat of piracy as he works for publishers. He provided no factual evidence of any of his claims. He has never made any statement in the past that demonstrates his "credibility" . It has since been proven he was incorrect and/or grossly misinformed

You're being stubborn even though you were (inevitably) proven wrong. Everyone saw this coming a mile off except you. The next time someone in "a position of authority" says something ridiculous like 90% of DS owners are pirates, or 90% of 360's get the RROD or PC gaming is dead try and engage your brain before you accept their words as the gospel truth.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Unelss that person has credibility. You have to prove that its patently false.the_h_bomb

Credibility?

He is from a different country. His job is to overplay the threat of piracy as he works for publishers. He provided no factual evidence of any of his claims. He has never made any statement in the past that demonstrates his "credibility" . It has since been proven he was incorrect and/or grossly misinformed

You're being stubborn even though you were (inevitably) proven wrong. Everyone saw this coming a mile off except you. The next time someone in "a position of authority" says something ridiculous like 90% of DS owners are pirates, or 90% of 360's get the RROD or PC gaming is dead try and engage your brain before you accept their words as the gospel truth.

[QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Unelss that person has credibility. You have to prove that its patently false.Vandalvideo

Credibility?

He is from a different country. His job is to overplay the threat of piracy as he works for publishers. He provided no factual evidence of any of his claims. He has never made any statement in the past that demonstrates his "credibility" . It has since been proven he was incorrect and/or grossly misinformed

You're being stubborn even though you were (inevitably) proven wrong. Everyone saw this coming a mile off except you. The next time someone in "a position of authority" says something ridiculous like 90% of DS owners are pirates, or 90% of 360's get the RROD or PC gaming is dead try and engage your brain before you accept their words as the gospel truth.

And why peopel are on you is because this so called credible person and organization have proved nothing yet you won't admit that they need to have proof if they are going to make such far fetched statements.

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]You still skip my question, knowing you can't answer Yes cause it iwouldn't make any sense. And to answer you, they can't neither scream 90% without any proof. Even if they are specialists. It goes both way. It's not because they are specialst they can claim things without any proof.Vandalvideo

And why peopel are on you is because this so called credible person and organization have proved nothing yet you won't admit that they need to have proof if they are going to make such far fetched statements. kcpp2b

Yes, they have more credibility, but when someone states something, not brining proof on the table isn't worth a penny. When you claim something you claim wth some proof, not only with words. Now I know you will say but you guys didn't either bring proof, that is because usually it's the first that claims somethin'g that needs to bring proof, not the contrary. Here they were the first to bring the 90% without any proof, I can call it BS 'till they bring proof. It's simply really. haris12121212

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="the_h_bomb"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Unelss that person has credibility. You have to prove that its patently false.kcpp2b

Credibility?

He is from a different country. His job is to overplay the threat of piracy as he works for publishers. He provided no factual evidence of any of his claims. He has never made any statement in the past that demonstrates his "credibility" . It has since been proven he was incorrect and/or grossly misinformed

You're being stubborn even though you were (inevitably) proven wrong. Everyone saw this coming a mile off except you. The next time someone in "a position of authority" says something ridiculous like 90% of DS owners are pirates, or 90% of 360's get the RROD or PC gaming is dead try and engage your brain before you accept their words as the gospel truth.

And why peopel are on you is because this so called credible person and organization have proved nothing yet you won't admit that they need to have proof if they are going to make such far fetched statements.

End of discussion really. That is the whole ^point of this debate, If you don't bring proof when stating something it ain't worth a thing, even if you are Einstein.

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]Yes, they have more credibility, but when someone states something, not brining proof on the table isn't worth a penny. When you claim something you claim wth some proof, not only with words. Now I know you will say but you guys didn't either bring proof, that is because usually it's the first that claims somethin'g that needs to bring proof, not the contrary. Here they were the first to bring the 90% without any proof, I can call it BS 'till they bring proof. It's simply really. Vandalvideo

End of discussion really. That is the whole ^point of this debate, If you don't bring proof when stating something it ain't worth a thing, even if you are Einstein.haris12121212

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="haris12121212"]Yes, they have more credibility, but when someone states something, not brining proof on the table isn't worth a penny. When you claim something you claim wth some proof, not only with words. Now I know you will say but you guys didn't either bring proof, that is because usually it's the first that claims somethin'g that needs to bring proof, not the contrary. Here they were the first to bring the 90% without any proof, I can call it BS 'till they bring proof. It's simply really. haris12121212

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]And why peopel are on you is because this so called credible person and organization have proved nothing yet you won't admit that they need to have proof if they are going to make such far fetched statements. Vandalvideo

No, I have no reason to prove somethign wrong that hasn't even been proved right to begin with LOL Hilarious.

Ok here, I'm in the film industry, I have WAY more credibilty in it then probably anyone here... and I say that 95% of all films are downloaded more than they are paid for legally. Prove me wrong now cause I'm credibile. I won't show you any proof that I'm right except that there are sites that are full badness! Prove me wrong now.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]And why peopel are on you is because this so called credible person and organization have proved nothing yet you won't admit that they need to have proof if they are going to make such far fetched statements. kcpp2b

No, I have no reason to prove somethign wrong that hasn't even been proved right to begin with LOL Hilarious.

Ok here, I'm in the film industry, I have WAY more credibilty in it then probably anyone here... and I say that 95% of all films are downloaded more than they are paid for legally. Prove me wrong now cause I'm credibile. I won't show you any proof that I'm right except that there are sites that are full badness! Prove me wrong now.

[QUOTE="haris12121212"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="haris12121212"]Yes, they have more credibility, but when someone states something, not brining proof on the table isn't worth a penny. When you claim something you claim wth some proof, not only with words. Now I know you will say but you guys didn't either bring proof, that is because usually it's the first that claims somethin'g that needs to bring proof, not the contrary. Here they were the first to bring the 90% without any proof, I can call it BS 'till they bring proof. It's simply really. Vandalvideo

Nope, sorry, we don't have to prove someone wrong who isn't right. Just like those people who claimed college kids were 45% pirating didn't prove jack but people just bought it.

Fact is this company is about piracy so they gain if piracy is around. Just like if there were no fat people richard simmons would be in a bad situation. That alone is enough to ask for proof let alone the fact that well... anytime ANYONE says anything they should have to prove it. That's how life is. I guess you prefer it if people with titles don't have to prove anything in life. But that's how corruption grows stronger and undetected when people trust people for their title and dont question. Like how peopel didn't question the government.

Nope, sorry, we don't have to prove someone wrong who isn't right. Just like those people who claimed college kids were 45% pirating didn't prove jack but people just bought it.Fact is this company is about piracy so they gain if piracy is around. Just like if there were no fat people richard simmons would be in a bad situation. That alone is enough to ask for proof let alone the fact that well... anytime ANYONE says anything they should have to prove it. That's how life is. I guess you prefer it if people with titles don't have to prove anything in life. But that's how corruption grows stronger and undetected when people trust people for their title and dont question. Like how peopel didn't question the government. kcpp2b

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]End of discussion really. That is the whole ^point of this debate, If you don't bring proof when stating something it ain't worth a thing, even if you are Einstein.Vandalvideo