Guess what, consolites, 90% of US DS Gamers Pirate their games...

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]And why peopel are on you is because this so called credible person and organization have proved nothing yet you won't admit that they need to have proof if they are going to make such far fetched statements. Vandalvideo

No, I have no reason to prove somethign wrong that hasn't even been proved right to begin with LOL Hilarious.

Ok here, I'm in the film industry, I have WAY more credibilty in it then probably anyone here... and I say that 95% of all films are downloaded more than they are paid for legally. Prove me wrong now cause I'm credibile. I won't show you any proof that I'm right except that there are sites that are full badness! Prove me wrong now.

No point from the begining is that it's bogus until proven true. My point and everyone's pretty much is your innocent until PROVEN guilty. Ofcourse, everything is bogus and not true until they are proven to be true.

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Nope, sorry, we don't have to prove someone wrong who isn't right. Just like those people who claimed college kids were 45% pirating didn't prove jack but people just bought it.Fact is this company is about piracy so they gain if piracy is around. Just like if there were no fat people richard simmons would be in a bad situation. That alone is enough to ask for proof let alone the fact that well... anytime ANYONE says anything they should have to prove it. That's how life is. I guess you prefer it if people with titles don't have to prove anything in life. But that's how corruption grows stronger and undetected when people trust people for their title and dont question. Like how peopel didn't question the government. Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Nope, sorry, we don't have to prove someone wrong who isn't right. Just like those people who claimed college kids were 45% pirating didn't prove jack but people just bought it.Fact is this company is about piracy so they gain if piracy is around. Just like if there were no fat people richard simmons would be in a bad situation. That alone is enough to ask for proof let alone the fact that well... anytime ANYONE says anything they should have to prove it. That's how life is. I guess you prefer it if people with titles don't have to prove anything in life. But that's how corruption grows stronger and undetected when people trust people for their title and dont question. Like how peopel didn't question the government. Vandalvideo

No point from the begining is that it's bogus until proven true. My point and everyone's pretty much is your innocent until PROVEN guilty. Ofcourse, everything is bogus and not true until they are proven to be true.kcpp2b

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Nope, sorry, we don't have to prove someone wrong who isn't right. Just like those people who claimed college kids were 45% pirating didn't prove jack but people just bought it.Fact is this company is about piracy so they gain if piracy is around. Just like if there were no fat people richard simmons would be in a bad situation. That alone is enough to ask for proof let alone the fact that well... anytime ANYONE says anything they should have to prove it. That's how life is. I guess you prefer it if people with titles don't have to prove anything in life. But that's how corruption grows stronger and undetected when people trust people for their title and dont question. Like how peopel didn't question the government. BuryMe

How can we know they are right until they prove it? :? And I don't buy the credibility excuse, it's not because you are some popular thing that you can claim things without proof. haris12121212

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]No point from the begining is that it's bogus until proven true. My point and everyone's pretty much is your innocent until PROVEN guilty. Ofcourse, everything is bogus and not true until they are proven to be true.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="samusarmada"]and yet DS software sales consistently do the best out of all the systems. BS i say :|Ballroompirate

As in, if they get 30% of the DS market to buy games, it'll be more than any nextGen console's total base.

good point.

90% still way too high though.

I don't see any reason for the ELSPA to lie about it. What would they have to gain from such an indictment, were it untrue? And don't you think Nintendo would have come back strongly against such a claim if it were unfounded?

Again, this isn't some random analyst commenting. This is coming directly from the Entertainment and Leisure Software Publishers Association

http://www.elspa.com/

All they do is fight piracy.

Time for a life lesson 101, ok organizations cost money to run rite? well if a organization that say a organization that trys to prevent crime and there's barely no crime in this such and such place, there would be no reason for that organization to exists see.You can be surprised on what business/organizations would do to keep getting funds/money.

I'm sorry? Life lesson? How old are you? How old do you think I am? You should read up on the ELSPA before commenting on what you think they'd have to gain from such a report.

Are you suggesting there is no piracy in gaming by your weak analogy? "Barely no crime"? :?

Are you suggesting this report will...boost their membership? They're already sizable.

Do you think they function by ad revenue or website traffic? They don't.

Hell, do you even know how they raise money/profit as an organization? :lol:

And are you suggesting they need attention?

They've been around almost 20 years and haven't been accused of fudging numbers for financial gain before. Why do you suppose they start now? Suddenly desperate? No PSP, DS, 360, PS2, Wii, Dreamcast or PS3 piracy going on, right? Surely these R4's aren't popular and sold out everywhere, right? No, of course not. Common sense would tell you that those things are true and this group isn't in the business of fudging numbers. And when clairty is provided, we find that their representative was misquoted. Not that they were trying to get money as you crudely suggested. So stop making it sound like they were.

Was this misquoted estimate high? Clearly. In fact, I acknowledged that no more than 3 or 4 quotes after the post you just quoted. Is the over-arching point that DS piracy is rampant (but we've known that for some time) and is not suddenly lost because of this misquotted and high estimate. Obviously.

Here's a life lesson for you: not everything is done under shady pretenses. And you certainly don't accuse people of fudging numbers for profit without evidence and/or a history of a group doing so. As I said before, they had no reason to lie. And as it turns out they didn't. It was a simple misquote that has been since corrected. And all is well. No harm no foul.

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Nope, sorry, we don't have to prove someone wrong who isn't right. Just like those people who claimed college kids were 45% pirating didn't prove jack but people just bought it.Fact is this company is about piracy so they gain if piracy is around. Just like if there were no fat people richard simmons would be in a bad situation. That alone is enough to ask for proof let alone the fact that well... anytime ANYONE says anything they should have to prove it. That's how life is. I guess you prefer it if people with titles don't have to prove anything in life. But that's how corruption grows stronger and undetected when people trust people for their title and dont question. Like how peopel didn't question the government. Vandalvideo

My god almightly what is wrong with you dude. How on earth does that makes sense to you? Listen to yourself. Why do I have to prove them wrong. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PROVED RIGHT. Do you not get that?

If people had to go out and prove wrong everyone who just makes claims on things my god how much time would be waste on such a task.

I said he was bogus until proven true and WOW I was right.... so maybe you should go along with that common sense way of thinking... as it has proven valid in this situation alone that their credibility meant nothing and they were still wrong. I'm sure I can find a million more giant examples of people considered credible that were insanely wrong let alone just wrong.

There's not catch, you can keep telling yourself there is whatevr floats your boat. But in real life I don't have to prove anything about something that isn't true. Like I said I'm credible in the film industry and I say it's dying and will die tommorow... now prove me wrong.

See how dumb that is? Why do you have to me wrong? I have shown nothing that proves me to be right even though movie piracy is rising and I am a film insider and producer it means nothing. I have no proof....

Hell didn't the Epic dev say PC gaming is hurt by huge amounts of piracy. I guess PC gaming is dying then and we should get serious about it now no? Cause he's more credible than anyone here saying things are fine

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]No point from the begining is that it's bogus until proven true. My point and everyone's pretty much is your innocent until PROVEN guilty. Ofcourse, everything is bogus and not true until they are proven to be true.Grodus5

My god almightly what is wrong with you dude. How on earth does that makes sense to you? Listen to yourself. Why do I have to prove them wrong. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PROVED RIGHT. Do you not get that? If people had to go out and prove wrong everyone who just makes claims on things my god how much time would be waste on such a task.I said he was bogus until proven true and WOW I was right.... so maybe you should go along with that common sense way of thinking... as it has proven valid in this situation alone that their credibility meant nothing and they were still wrong. I'm sure I can find a million more giant examples of people considered credible that were insanely wrong let alone just wrong. There's not catch, you can keep telling yourself there is whatevr floats your boat. But in real life I don't have to prove anything about something that isn't true. Like I said I'm credible in the film industry and I say it's dying and will die tommorow... now prove me wrongSee how dumb that is? Why do you have to me wrong? I have shown nothing that proves me to be right even though movie piracy is rising and I am a film insider and producer it means nothing. I have no proof....Hell didn't the Epic dev say PC gaming is hurt by huge amounts of piracy. I guess PC gaming is dying then and we should get serious about it now no? Cause he's more credible than anyone here saying things are finekcpp2b

I'm sorry? Life lesson? How old are you? How old do you think I am? You should read up on the ELSPA before commenting on what you think they'd have to gain from such a report.

Are you suggesting there is no piracy in gaming by your weak analogy? "Barely no crime"? :?

Are you suggesting this report will...boost their membership? They're already sizable.

Do you think they function by ad revenue or website traffic? They don't.

Hell, do you even know how they raise money/profit as an organization? :lol:

And are you suggesting they need attention?

They've been around almost 20 years and haven't been accused of fudging numbers for financial gain before. Why do you suppose they start now? Suddenly desperate? No PSP, DS, 360, PS2, Wii, Dreamcast or PS3 piracy going on, right? Surely these R4's aren't popular and sold out everywhere, right? No, of course not. Life would tell you that would not be the case. And when clairty is provided, we find that their representative was misquoted. Not that they were trying to get money as you crudely suggested. So stop making it sound like they were.

Was this misquoted estimate high? Clearly. In fact, I acknowledged that no more than 3 or 4 quotes after the post you just quoted. Is the over-arching point that DS piracy is rampant (but we've known that for some time) and is not suddenly lost because of this misquotted and high estimate. Obviously.

Here's a life lesson for you: not everything is done under shady pretenses. And you certainly don't accuse people of fudging numbers for profit without evidence and/or a history of a group doing so. As I said before, they had no reason to lie. And as it turns out they didn't. It was a simple misquote that has been since corrected. And all is well. No harm no foul.

Dreams-Visions

No way is Piracy not a big problem for all systems no.

BUt truth be told these guys do stand to benefit from saying there are huge numbers of pirating going on. Just like film and music does when they bump up numbers in reports. Or people fighting obesity does.... everyone does it cause it helps their cause. This is just how it is done man. They bump up numbers and push little lies because it DOES benefit them.

Like I was saying before... with richard simmons and not fat people LOL Or like McAfee and no viruses as much they are fighting it, it is their bread and butter and if it was wiped from existence they wouldn't excess so you cant blindly think they are pure and wouldn't do such things as so many companies and organizations do even if with good will.

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]My god almightly what is wrong with you dude. How on earth does that makes sense to you? Listen to yourself. Why do I have to prove them wrong. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PROVED RIGHT. Do you not get that? If people had to go out and prove wrong everyone who just makes claims on things my god how much time would be waste on such a task.I said he was bogus until proven true and WOW I was right.... so maybe you should go along with that common sense way of thinking... as it has proven valid in this situation alone that their credibility meant nothing and they were still wrong. I'm sure I can find a million more giant examples of people considered credible that were insanely wrong let alone just wrong. There's not catch, you can keep telling yourself there is whatevr floats your boat. But in real life I don't have to prove anything about something that isn't true. Like I said I'm credible in the film industry and I say it's dying and will die tommorow... now prove me wrongSee how dumb that is? Why do you have to me wrong? I have shown nothing that proves me to be right even though movie piracy is rising and I am a film insider and producer it means nothing. I have no proof....Hell didn't the Epic dev say PC gaming is hurt by huge amounts of piracy. I guess PC gaming is dying then and we should get serious about it now no? Cause he's more credible than anyone here saying things are fineVandalvideo

In the end, I'd love to see how many R4's and similar devices have been sold. They can't make those things fast enough. Dreams-Visions

And these people failed to prove their claim. They just said hey, 90 percent of DS gamers pirate. lol wut. Yeah. In order to make a claim, you need evidence. If they had evidence, then we wouldn't have to get evidence to disprove them. Ok. Got it? I don't think so.Grodus5

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]So that's like 18 million DS owners who supposedly pirate games? Sounds like BS to me.Grodus5

If you factor in the fact if someone wants to buy one they also have to go out of their way. They don't sell them at EB or any other main stream place.

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]My god almightly what is wrong with you dude. How on earth does that makes sense to you? Listen to yourself. Why do I have to prove them wrong. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PROVED RIGHT. Do you not get that? If people had to go out and prove wrong everyone who just makes claims on things my god how much time would be waste on such a task.I said he was bogus until proven true and WOW I was right.... so maybe you should go along with that common sense way of thinking... as it has proven valid in this situation alone that their credibility meant nothing and they were still wrong. I'm sure I can find a million more giant examples of people considered credible that were insanely wrong let alone just wrong. There's not catch, you can keep telling yourself there is whatevr floats your boat. But in real life I don't have to prove anything about something that isn't true. Like I said I'm credible in the film industry and I say it's dying and will die tommorow... now prove me wrongSee how dumb that is? Why do you have to me wrong? I have shown nothing that proves me to be right even though movie piracy is rising and I am a film insider and producer it means nothing. I have no proof....Hell didn't the Epic dev say PC gaming is hurt by huge amounts of piracy. I guess PC gaming is dying then and we should get serious about it now no? Cause he's more credible than anyone here saying things are fineVandalvideo

AGAIN

Think yourself. They were wrong. Anything not proven true is false. you're saying someone can be guilty and then has to be proved innocent. I guess you like that way of thinking but yeah... they have to prove their claims to be right first... cause a claim isn't any kind of fact or truth.

It ain't true until you can prove it, until then it's all claims and words, those aren't facts. Let alone the fact that common sense even tells you he's wrong before they even can try and prove it.

Anyway I find it funny they are supposed to be amazing credible when they allow themselves to release info that they don't know is correct or not. That alone is disgusting thing to do for anyone who is ethical and credible.

I don't go around saying SW is full of 90% crazy fanboys, trust me because I go there and know this, now bye.

[QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]So that's like 18 million DS owners who supposedly pirate games? Sounds like BS to me.HarlockJC

If you factor in the fact if someone wants to buy one they also have to go out of their way. They don't sell them at EB or any other main stream place.

Think yourself. They were wrong. Anything not proven true is false. you're saying someone can be guilty and then has to be proved innocent. I guess you like that way of thinking but yeah... they have to prove their claims to be right first... cause a claim isn't any kind of fact or truth.It ain't true until you can prove it, until then it's all claims and words, those aren't facts. Let alone the fact that common sense even tells you he's wrong before they even can try and prove it.Anyway I find it funny they are supposed to be amazing credible when they allow themselves to release info that they don't know is correct or not. That alone is disgusting thing to do for anyone who is ethical and credible.I don't go around saying SW is full of 90% crazy fanboys, trust me because I go there and know this, now byekcpp2b

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Grodus5"] And these people failed to prove their claim. They just said hey, 90 percent of DS gamers pirate. lol wut. Yeah. In order to make a claim, you need evidence. If they had evidence, then we wouldn't have to get evidence to disprove them. Ok. Got it? I don't think so.Grodus5

Exactly... the side of science has more than proved that it's real. Yet the so called credible people are not even looking into it properly. That's the point... when you talk about big companies or any organizations... the possiblity of corruption and people having agenda's always exist. Which is why you don't go by names and titles... because even the more amazing man on earth can be the most evil... hell you think the devil would come in on a dirty horse half naked?

No he comes in on a wicked car with a suit, perfect hair and all with a nice smile. And credentials lol Proof is the only way to fight such things... to let the proof decide. lets facts be the judge. Because by your thinking those people who killed women by throwing them off ledges to see if they were witches and flew off was a good thing. While we're saying they should have proof before they throw people off ledges lol

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]Think yourself. They were wrong. Anything not proven true is false. you're saying someone can be guilty and then has to be proved innocent. I guess you like that way of thinking but yeah... they have to prove their claims to be right first... cause a claim isn't any kind of fact or truth.It ain't true until you can prove it, until then it's all claims and words, those aren't facts. Let alone the fact that common sense even tells you he's wrong before they even can try and prove it.Anyway I find it funny they are supposed to be amazing credible when they allow themselves to release info that they don't know is correct or not. That alone is disgusting thing to do for anyone who is ethical and credible.I don't go around saying SW is full of 90% crazy fanboys, trust me because I go there and know this, now byeVandalvideo

I will gladly have to prove them wrong, right after they first prove what they say to be right. I don't have to do jack until they first prove how they are correct with proof. Until they show proof for such a insane claim, all it is, is BS.

Like all the rumours we here about games are all BS until it is proven true, regardless on who is saying it.

I will gladly have to prove them wrong, right after they first prove what they say to be right. I don't have to do jack until they first prove how they are correct with proof. Until they show proof for such a insane claim, all it is, is BS. Like all the rumours we here about games are all BS until it is proven true, regardless on who is saying it.kcpp2b

[QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Grodus5"] And these people failed to prove their claim. They just said hey, 90 percent of DS gamers pirate. lol wut. Yeah. In order to make a claim, you need evidence. If they had evidence, then we wouldn't have to get evidence to disprove them. Ok. Got it? I don't think so.Vandalvideo

Actually, no, because Bush is not a geologist or a scientist. Grodus5

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]I will gladly have to prove them wrong, right after they first prove what they say to be right. I don't have to do jack until they first prove how they are correct with proof. Until they show proof for such a insane claim, all it is, is BS. Like all the rumours we here about games are all BS until it is proven true, regardless on who is saying it.Vandalvideo

I don't have the claim. I said there always was piracy... I don't claim to know any specific number. THEY DID... so they have to prove how. I claimed they are BS cause they have no proof. And wow what a shock I'm right. If they had proof they would have shown it WITH the statement. Common sense FTW

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]I will gladly have to prove them wrong, right after they first prove what they say to be right. I don't have to do jack until they first prove how they are correct with proof. Until they show proof for such a insane claim, all it is, is BS. Like all the rumours we here about games are all BS until it is proven true, regardless on who is saying it.kcpp2b

I don't have the claim. I said there always was piracy... I don't claim to know any specific number. THEY DID... so they have to prove how. I claimed they are BS cause they have no proof. And wow what a shock I'm right. If they had proof they would have shown it WITH the statement. Common sense FTW

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]I will gladly have to prove them wrong, right after they first prove what they say to be right. I don't have to do jack until they first prove how they are correct with proof. Until they show proof for such a insane claim, all it is, is BS. Like all the rumours we here about games are all BS until it is proven true, regardless on who is saying it.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]I will gladly have to prove them wrong, right after they first prove what they say to be right. I don't have to do jack until they first prove how they are correct with proof. Until they show proof for such a insane claim, all it is, is BS. Like all the rumours we here about games are all BS until it is proven true, regardless on who is saying it.Grodus5

I wanted to stop at "it's believed", but I kept going until i saw "it's thought". It's a damn shame that faith isn't very factual. :|-RPGamer-

[QUOTE="Grodus5"] Actually, no, because Bush is not a geologist or a scientist. Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]I will gladly have to prove them wrong, right after they first prove what they say to be right. I don't have to do jack until they first prove how they are correct with proof. Until they show proof for such a insane claim, all it is, is BS. Like all the rumours we here about games are all BS until it is proven true, regardless on who is saying it.Vandalvideo

Whats there to prove wrong if its rotten from the core? Its like trying to save an apple with a worm in it. Also, yes, a random person could come and "prove" them wrong. If I were in that time perios, I could've said "Hey, the season's are caused by *insert something here*" and if they beilived me, in some people's eyes, I have proven the myth wrong.Grodus5

[QUOTE="Grodus5"]Whats there to prove wrong if its rotten from the core? Its like trying to save an apple with a worm in it. Also, yes, a random person could come and "prove" them wrong. If I were in that time perios, I could've said "Hey, the season's are caused by *insert something here*" and if they beilived me, in some people's eyes, I have proven the myth wrong.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Grodus5"]Whats there to prove wrong if its rotten from the core? Its like trying to save an apple with a worm in it. Also, yes, a random person could come and "prove" them wrong. If I were in that time perios, I could've said "Hey, the season's are caused by *insert something here*" and if they beilived me, in some people's eyes, I have proven the myth wrong.Grodus5

[QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Grodus5"]Whats there to prove wrong if its rotten from the core? Its like trying to save an apple with a worm in it. Also, yes, a random person could come and "prove" them wrong. If I were in that time perios, I could've said "Hey, the season's are caused by *insert something here*" and if they beilived me, in some people's eyes, I have proven the myth wrong.Vandalvideo

Lol, you asked for this. Defination from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disprove

dis·prove /dɪsˈpruv/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dis-proov] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation -verb (used with object), -proved, -prov·ing. to prove (an assertion, claim, etc.) to be false or wrong; refute; invalidate: I disproved his claim.

I'll let you figure out the meaning.

I'll let you figure out the meaning.Grodus5

[QUOTE="Grodus5"]I'll let you figure out the meaning.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Grodus5"]I'll let you figure out the meaning.Grodus5

"I think that 90% of DS gamers pirate."

"Yeah? Well I think only 5% of DS gamers pirate games."

Neither is proving anything. They don't support anything being suggested. People can think all they want, but thoughts alone don't make a statistic valid, let alone worth arguing over. It's laughable that any defense is being given to first claim, considering it's not viable data.

[QUOTE="Grodus5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Grodus5"]I'll let you figure out the meaning.Vandalvideo

P.S. It might be a good idea for you to take a break too. We got really close to a flame war there.