Half a year later. Did Killzone 2 reach it's goal?

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#101 Animal-Mother
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Guerilla tried their best but the game is plain average in every caregory except graphics. They just don't have talent.

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Why's that?

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#102 AgentA-Mi6
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looks like it sold just under 2 million worldwide. Not great, but not awful.Jandurin
With christmas around the corner, Im pretty sure Killzone 2 is going to break the 2 million mark and far above, it was the same with little big planet.
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#103 Giancar
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Guerilla tried their best but the game is plain average in every caregory except graphics. They just don't have talent.

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yeah, that's why all major gaiming websites gave the game awesome scores....:roll: and thats why KZ2 is AAA both in GR and MC :roll: only for graphics...yay!
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#104 Vavorlye
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looks like it sold just under 2 million worldwide. Not great, but not awful.Jandurin
LOL 2 million is "not awful" give me a break.
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#105 Pdiddy105
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[QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

Guerilla tried their best but the game is plain average in every caregory except graphics. They just don't have talent.

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Why's that?

Generic campaign levels that feel like a poor CoD clone, forgettable characters, sub par writing, meh story, and some parts just feel like a chore overall.

The multiplayer is a bit better but it really just blends together a bunch of elements from other better games and isn't good enough to pull people away from franchises like CoD or Battlefield. Its not a bad game its just standard fare for an FPS.

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#106 AgentA-Mi6
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Guerilla tried their best but the game is plain average in every caregory except graphics. They just don't have talent.

Pdiddy105

This reminds me of that Magazine, was it game informer, anyway I believe they said Killzone 2 biggest flaw was it not being released for the Xbox360 as well :lol:

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#107 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]

[QUOTE="Pdiddy105"]

Guerilla tried their best but the game is plain average in every caregory except graphics. They just don't have talent.

Pdiddy105

Why's that?

Generic campaign levels that feel like a poor CoD clone, forgettable characters, sub par writing, meh story, and some parts just feel like a chore overall.

The multiplayer is a bit better but it really just blends together a bunch of elements from other better games and isn't good enough to pull people away from franchises like CoD or Battlefield. Its not a bad game its just standard fare for an FPS.

Lol Wut. It's nowhere near a cod clone.
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#108 Mckenna1845
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i believe it has done well. it's sold over a million, has a decent online community, and is an all round great game. i say a job well done to guerilla.
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#109 BloodyFalcon007
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Cows before Killzone 2 release.....

"OMG Killzone 2 is gonna be the Halo Killer watchout lemmings LOL!"

Cows after Killzone 2 release.....

"Gurrilla Games did a great job with Killzone 2 what more was expected?

Please.... KZ2 did NOT live up to the hype,the gamewas average at best.

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#110 Nonstop-Madness
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[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Well guerilla is giving access to all sony inhouse right?

I think so, i read somewhere this engine is going to be used in other games, I don't really remember though if that was about the uncharted 2 engine or KZ2 engine but I think Sony parties share alot of tech.

In the god of war 3 trailer, the sky looks somehow the same as in KZ2 so I think they learned to do that from GG.

look at the first moments in the trailer.

singhjeet329

I think with the engines of both KZ2 and Uncharted Sony has two superb engines to work with.

When it comes to the engines, there were rumours that a new Syphon Filter is being made using the KZ2 engine. But thats still a massive rumour.

For me KZ2 was better than I expected. The SP, although not having the most memorable story, certainly was intense, that last level was absolutely nuts! And the MP was so well done, I loved the mix and match badge system, allowed for a lot of strategy and they had really well thought out clan system.

I absolutely cannot wait for KZ3, I just hope that they can make a better story, the KZ universe is very interesting. But they could definitely use a better story.

The new Syphon Filter is not being made with the KZ2 engine (You don't make games with engines). Its not even going to run on the KZ2 engine, its being made with its own engine although it'll have some of the same features that the KZ2 and Naughty Dog Engine have . The KZ2 engine was built from the ground up for KZ2, Syphon Filter will have an engine built from the ground up for that game.
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#111 Leo-Magic
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Now this is a question for people who have ACTUALLY played the game. It's been half a year now. And a lot of us have been wowed and disapointed in Killzone 2 But for those who have playd it, do you think guerilla achieved what it was trying to reach? As far as Graphics/Gameplay go?

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so what was the goal that guerilla was trying to reach ?
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#112 Animal-Mother
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Cows before Killzone 2 release.....

"OMG Killzone 2 is gonna be the Halo Killer watchout lemmings LOL!"

Cows after Killzone 2 release.....

"Gurrilla Games did a great job with Killzone 2 what more was expected?

Please.... KZ2 did NOT live up to the hype,the gamewas average at best.

BloodyFalcon007
I have a question have you played it?
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#113 eo_the_shaman
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this game is a good step up but i think they can do better with the bots and cover fire...and vehicles would be nice the maps seem big enough

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#115 full_disclosure
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It's top 5 FPS's of all time to me....so yes I'd say they did!

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#116 Alpha-Male22
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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]Really, the only thing that could have been done better was marketing. There was ONE measly television ad, and it was a horrible way to promote the game. On top of that the ad's exposure wasn't that high. Killzone 2 is a game that could have sold much more than 1.8 million if handled properly.

Completely with you on this one. Sony screws up AGAIN. I mean, the one ad just appealed to those who knew what Killzone already was. It gave no back story or information on what the game was about to casuals/average players. This dissapointed me greatly. The ad was worthless. You dont think they would start advertising it again, do u? Do companies do that? They ought to re-advertise Killzone.
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#117 Alpha-Male22
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Cows before Killzone 2 release.....

"OMG Killzone 2 is gonna be the Halo Killer watchout lemmings LOL!"

Cows after Killzone 2 release.....

"Gurrilla Games did a great job with Killzone 2 what more was expected?

Please.... KZ2 did NOT live up to the hype,the gamewas average at best.

BloodyFalcon007
The hype was set ridiculously high by a few hype-driven fanboys. I did not expect Killzone to beat Halo. I dont think anyone expected it to get to the level of Halo, but it did offer a great game which can be subjectively superior to Halo. In other words, its not a Halo Killer in an objective sense, but subjectively, I'm sure anyone can argue it.
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#118 singhjeet329
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[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]Really, the only thing that could have been done better was marketing. There was ONE measly television ad, and it was a horrible way to promote the game. On top of that the ad's exposure wasn't that high. Killzone 2 is a game that could have sold much more than 1.8 million if handled properly.

They ought to re-advertise Killzone.

... for the holiday season, I believe it would be wise along with ads for Uncharted 2 and Ratchet ACiT, they really need to start marketing properly.
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#119 ReaperV7
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yes. They made the best looking console game out there AND while making it fun playable and getting it AAA across the board.
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#120 Nonstop-Madness
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]looks like it sold just under 2 million worldwide. Not great, but not awful.Vavorlye
LOL 2 million is "not awful" give me a break.

.... SW, the only place where 2,000,000 means awful. lol
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#121 TREAL_Since
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[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"]Really, the only thing that could have been done better was marketing. There was ONE measly television ad, and it was a horrible way to promote the game. On top of that the ad's exposure wasn't that high. Killzone 2 is a game that could have sold much more than 1.8 million if handled properly.

Completely with you on this one. Sony screws up AGAIN. I mean, the one ad just appealed to those who knew what Killzone already was. It gave no back story or information on what the game was about to casuals/average players. This dissapointed me greatly. The ad was worthless. You dont think they would start advertising it again, do u? Do companies do that? They ought to re-advertise Killzone.

Sony re-invested 2 million euros into LBP advertising earlier this year (in the UK). So it's not out of the realm of possibility. Also, like Eve said earlier, the KZ2 bundle will increase the game's penetration into the market. It bugs me when people down a game because of sales. Even if the game is AAA and arguably the biggest redemption of all time (KZ2).
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#122 Androvinus
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they had to hype it up, because if they didnt , no one would buy it because the first one sucked. They made a great game that put the ps3 as the console graphics king(which was the first promise the 2005 KZ2 trailer made).
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#123 SilverChimera
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yes they did. they've improved so much since killzone 1. hopefully ubisoft can do that with assassin's creed/red steel and high voltage with the conduit
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#124 NinjaMunkey01
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[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]

nope im sure geurilla games wishes they some how made that game for both or exclusivley for 360 lol, the sales for PS3 were just weak

but on to the game, i loved the single player but rarely play the multiplayer

Tbh the devs are just paid by sony. Weather the game sold well or badly wouldent influence their paycheck...
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#125 Sully28
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[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]If their goal was to make a solid game, I must say they've done it. I don't think anyone expected good scores after seeing the first game do terrible.Alpha-Male22
Yeah, Killzone 2 was meant for failure with Killzone 1's score. I guess people forgot about Killzone (PSP) which indicated GG's was doing good.

People here just need to learn that people change, they could make something amazing and the next thing will be complete trash, or in GG's case they made a pretty crappy game, then made a good psp game, then steped up to make an awesome ps3 game.

I mean take a look at rare, they made outstanding games for n64, but they havent made anything amazing on the 360, they are ok/good games, but nothing on the level of their n64 work.

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#126 waynehead895
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Goal: Make Money they did. Goal: Make game people like they did. Goal: Make game everyone likes. They FAILED HARDCORE. Seriously what was the goal? We would have to know this to answer it honestly. I
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#127 alstevens83
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For myself I was one of the Rare people that actually liked Killzone 1 back on the PS2 so if there goals was to create a game which built up on the universe of Killzone 1 then yes, They vastly improved it and I actually still play the MP and just need to get the new Map Pack. Personally I cannot wait till KZ3 (when ever that is out)

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#129 Messiahbolical-
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Possibly the best console FPS to date. (When you add the new patches and map packs) Anybody that calls Killzone 2 generic has obviously never played it.
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#130 pyromaniac223
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[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]Possibly the best console FPS to date. (When you add the new patches and map packs) Anybody that calls Killzone 2 generic has obviously never played it.

I've played it, and it didn't really do much to set itself apart. Guess I'm just jaded. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's the best console fps ever.
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#131 sethman410
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GG did achieve their goal, however the game needs to sell more.
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#132 Mordred19
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I suppose they did hit their goal, but I think they should have aimed a bit higher. The game ended up being less distinctive in terms of gameplay, with the cover system not doing all that much, especially since it wasn't worked into the multiplayer. Also, the campaign actually had less personality than Gears of War, which is sad. :|

EDIT: I mean to say that the cover system was fun and it worked, but it didn't make up for the lack of secondary fire on the guns. And it's so clear as to how little effort was put into the characters, and the story had huge opportunities to be great but it just didn't.

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#133 Messiahbolical-
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]Possibly the best console FPS to date. (When you add the new patches and map packs) Anybody that calls Killzone 2 generic has obviously never played it.

I've played it, and it didn't really do much to set itself apart. Guess I'm just jaded. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's the best console fps ever.

You beat it right?
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[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]Possibly the best console FPS to date. (When you add the new patches and map packs) Anybody that calls Killzone 2 generic has obviously never played it.

I've played it, and it didn't really do much to set itself apart. Guess I'm just jaded. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's the best console fps ever.

You beat it right?

Yes sir.
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#135 Chutebox
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Yes, they absolutely did.

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#136 deactivated-594be627b82ba
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i think they did, it set the bar pretty high for gameplay, i haven't played a fps that good before, call of duty 4 was good thought, crysis isn't bad but i really liked killzone 2 better

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#137 thelastguy
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It was better on all levels than the original so I'll say they did

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#138 Floppy_Jim
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For just making a great game, far surpassing the original and being the best looking game on consoles, then yes they did, easily. Sales-wise they may have expected more, but nearly 2 million sold is great no matter how much you spin it.
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#139 akif22
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as expected, graphics were good but i didn't like the gameplay
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#140 finalfantasy94
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For myself I was one of the Rare people that actually liked Killzone 1 back on the PS2 so if there goals was to create a game which built up on the universe of Killzone 1 then yes, They vastly improved it and I actually still play the MP and just need to get the new Map Pack. Personally I cannot wait till KZ3 (when ever that is out)

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Your not the only one. I actually liked and beat KZ1. Even though it had very obvious problems.

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#141 TREAL_Since
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[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]Possibly the best console FPS to date. (When you add the new patches and map packs) Anybody that calls Killzone 2 generic has obviously never played it.

I've played it, and it didn't really do much to set itself apart. Guess I'm just jaded. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's the best console fps ever.

You beat it right?

You won't find anything unique single player wise. It's the MP that's golden. And sets KZ2 from the crowd in multiple ways.
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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] I've played it, and it didn't really do much to set itself apart. Guess I'm just jaded. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's the best console fps ever.

You beat it right?

You won't find anything unique single player wise. It's the MP that's golden. And sets KZ2 from the crowd in multiple ways.

In what ways exactly? Sluggish controls? lol ( i joke, i realise there was a patch) but when it comes to killzone, i dont really think it sets itself apart at all. Its a fun shooter but the ranking system, clan support etc has all been done before.
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#143 Giancar
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[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] I've played it, and it didn't really do much to set itself apart. Guess I'm just jaded. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's the best console fps ever.

You beat it right?

You won't find anything unique single player wise. It's the MP that's golden. And sets KZ2 from the crowd in multiple ways.

yeah the mp is awesome...but man it's plagued with network error connections it's getting soooo annoying, I don't know if other people experience the same like me...but I am trying now to resolve the 4001 error :x
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#144 BillGates_Money
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solid game but IMO doesnt have the staying power
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#145 aaronmullan
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Cows before Killzone 2 release.....

"OMG Killzone 2 is gonna be the Halo Killer watchout lemmings LOL!"

Cows after Killzone 2 release.....

"Gurrilla Games did a great job with Killzone 2 what more was expected?

Please.... KZ2 did NOT live up to the hype,the gamewas average at best.

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AAA is average? God, Gears and Halo are very average then.
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#146 TREAL_Since
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[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"] You beat it right?

You won't find anything unique single player wise. It's the MP that's golden. And sets KZ2 from the crowd in multiple ways.

In what ways exactly? Sluggish controls? lol ( i joke, i realise there was a patch) but when it comes to killzone, i dont really think it sets itself apart at all. Its a fun shooter but the ranking system, clan support etc has all been done before.

1.) Warzone - Never been done before. Ever. 2.) Clan System - Name a game that has gamebattles-like clan integration. Actually it's better in many ways. This is something "unique" for KZ2. Clan system aren't new to video games, but KZ2's is the most streamlined and robust ever. KZ2 makes it a more than viable option that rivals gamebattles. 3.) The ranking system and mix and match badges aren't innovative, but they are definitely executed in a unique way only found in KZ2. KZ2 isn't innovative, nor is it cookie cutter. It does standard things extremely well and raises the bar for others.
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#147 StealthKnife
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graphics were awesome, single player was good, the ending wasn't great, but for a shooter, it was action packed. The online is fun, not the best, but great 9/10
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#148 xYamatox
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Probably my favorite shooter. I was pulled in by Killzone 1's (yes, I loved the first one...) art style, settings, and as someone already mentioned, the awesome story that doesn't seem to be targeted enough through gameplay (reading manuals/loading screens help explain a lot of the Killzone universe's history).

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#149 Arjdagr8
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single player was a lot of fun. multiplayer wasn't as addictive as i had hoped. but it does require some teamwork, problem with most online shooters nowadays is that everybody does their own thing unless you're in a clan or playing with friends (but even then you need a lot of friends who play the game).
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#150 Foxhound_spy
Member since 2007 • 658 Posts

Yes GG really did well with KZ2 ............. My fav fps this gen.

But funny seeing lems here bash this game .............. Generic gameplay ? C`mon gimme a break. It`s a fps genre what do you expect ?

And KZ 2 selling nearly 2 millions now seems bad ? Tell me you guys are joking.