Halo 3 is not a very mature game... which is why it doesn't appeal to me

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"] I think you can find alot better things to criticize about the game. Sorry to break it to you, but your criticisms are just awfulSquatsAreAwesom

Huh? What is my argument based on? It's quite iinteresting that you failed to respond to my laundy list of points (I was looking forward to seeing you explain your contradiction, but I guess it's not to be).

Anyway, you've still failed to competently explain what "mature" is. It can't be having "unique round characters" because as I explained, many childrens storys have unique round characters while many "mature" stories have flat generic characters. And it can't be not having a good story because a story being "mature" does not make it quality.

So whatconstitutes"maturity"? And why does it even matter?

[QUOTE="anti_hero32"]

perfect? really? have you ever played any game BUT halo?

Ninja-Hippo

Exactly. I was talking about them. No flaws... :)

[QUOTE="anti_hero32"]

perfect? really? have you ever played any game BUT halo?

Ninja-Hippo

This can be said about many games tho. So what exactly distinguishes it from the other FPS's?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="anti_hero32"]

perfect? really? have you ever played any game BUT halo?

anti_hero32

This can be said about many games tho. So what exactly distinguishes it from the other FPS's?

It's kinda a shame everyone just read the title and posted (mostly about Mountain Dew :P), without reading his actual thoughts. He makes a legitimate point about the character development, and the simplicity of the storyline. But hey, I guess this sort of dismissiveness is business as usual for System Wars. :(

agentfred

Dude, as someone who finds Halo's storyline to be pretty dopey, I destroyed his "point" about the simplicity of the storyline and non-unique flatcharacters. Read the part of my rebuttal where I demonstrate that uniqueround characters/=/maturity asunique round characters are found in children's fiction.

It's mature if you're in your low teens. It's the same level of maturity as a film like Total recall, adult themes but dished out in the lowest common denominator.clembo1990

How does it try to portray itself as a mature title? Do you think its with the screaming grunts who look like alien elves or their alien leaders who speak english? :|Ninja-Hippo

This is a good point. I don't think Halo reprenents itself as "mature" or "kiddy" (BTW, those terms are abused to the point of being meaningless). I think they are going for something kind of in-between or universal.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="anti_hero32"]

perfect? really? have you ever played any game BUT halo?

anti_hero32

This can be said about many games tho. So what exactly distinguishes it from the other FPS's?

Its gameplay and online mode. :)

[QUOTE="anti_hero32"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] There is little to nothing wrong with Halo 3's gameplay and online multiplayer. To call them a perfect example of FPS isn't unreasonable at all. Verge_6

This can be said about many games tho. So what exactly distinguishes it from the other FPS's?

[QUOTE="anti_hero32"]

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] There is little to nothing wrong with Halo 3's gameplay and online multiplayer. To call them a perfect example of FPS isn't unreasonable at all. Deathlessness

This can be said about many games tho. So what exactly distinguishes it from the other FPS's?

Its gameplay and online mode. :)

[QUOTE="Bunj84"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] If you don't even attempt to argue with the low level, low post count users who have a tendency to troll platform-specific games...they go away. :PVerge_6

I'm a 360 owner and a low post count user. In my low count opinion, Halo 3 is distinctly average. The campaign is kinda fun in parts, but nothing special. MP does absolutely nothing for me, and in my low count opinion is totally rubbish.

First off, I had absolutely no idea id actually put a rating down for that game, apparently i did. But i certainly do not think its a 1. But what if i had given it a 1? you have just proven to me that you are not willing to listen to reasons logic behind such ratings. That is an even poorer reflection on your judgement than mine. I have stated my reasons for not liking Halo 3, but most people here who love Halo 3 have not stated tangible reasons as to why it is such a great game. Most people say "Its is the best FPS game ever made" and expect everyone else to swallow it like greedy little sluts. Well, I don't like Halo 3 (and i actually quite like Bad Company and have since amended my rating), and there are many MANY FPS out there are far superior, such as COD4 + 5, Bad Company and BioShock.

But your absolutely right, I am completely unable to judge how much a game, or its component, is worth.

Flawless.

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]It's mature if you're in your low teens. It's the same level of maturity as a film like Total recall, adult themes but dished out in the lowest common denominator.cutmaclass1

It's actually not. Lowest common denominator implies there's something crass, mindless and juvenile about it. Although the story is definitely cheesy, it doesn't fit that criteria. I mean, do you see the characters throwing around gratuitious f-bombs or using toilet humor or something?

[QUOTE="Deathlessness"]

[QUOTE="anti_hero32"]

This can be said about many games tho. So what exactly distinguishes it from the other FPS's?

anti_hero32

Its gameplay and online mode. :)

...and the opinion battle marches on...

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="anti_hero32"]

This can be said about many games tho. So what exactly distinguishes it from the other FPS's?

anti_hero32

And he stated that the example was perfect, not the game. Halo indeed is a perfect example of a FPS. Wolfenstein 3D is too.

This can be said about many games tho. So what exactly distinguishes it from the other FPS's?

anti_hero32

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Bunj84"]

I'm a 360 owner and a low post count user. In my low count opinion, Halo 3 is distinctly average. The campaign is kinda fun in parts, but nothing special. MP does absolutely nothing for me, and in my low count opinion is totally rubbish.

Bunj84

First off, I had absolutely no idea id actually put a rating down for that game, apparently i did. But i certainly do not think its a 1. But what if i had given it a 1? you have just proven to me that you are not willing to listen to reasons logic behind such ratings. That is an even poorer reflection on your judgement than mine. I have stated my reasons for not liking Halo 3, but most people here who love not stated tangeable reasons as to why it is such a great game. Most people say "Its is the best FPS game ever made" and expect everyone else to swallow it like greedy little sluts. Well, I don't like Halo 3 (and i actually quite like Bad Company and have since ammended my rating), and there are many MANY FPS out there are far superior, such as COD4 + 5, Bad Company and BioShock.

But your absolutely right, I am completely unable to judge how much a game, or its component, is worth.

Flawless.

ok the trolling has gotten out of hand. ill come back later.

[QUOTE="Deathlessness"]

[QUOTE="anti_hero32"]

This can be said about many games tho. So what exactly distinguishes it from the other FPS's?

anti_hero32

Its gameplay and online mode. :)

:lol:

[QUOTE="cutmaclass1"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]It's mature if you're in your low teens. It's the same level of maturity as a film like Total recall, adult themes but dished out in the lowest common denominator.Tragic_Kingdom7

It's actually not. Lowest common denominator implies there's something crass, mindless and juvenile about it. Although the story is definitely cheesy, it doesn't fit that criteria. I mean, do you see the characters throwing around gratuitious f-bombs of using toilet humor or something?

[QUOTE="anti_hero32"] actually resistance is better in both aspects.Ninja-Hippo

I find that strange, too. :?

[QUOTE="Bunj84"]

Halo 3 for me is kinda "meh". I never understand why people say its the best game ever made, and I never understand why so many people still play it. It doenst feel right. the Physics are all wrong, there is no feedback from the guns, and killing hte bad guys is really unsatisfying when they just go "ah" when they die. Its like a colourful arcade game, and too family friendly for my tastes.

So yea, I completely agree with you.

SquatsAreAwesom

So your opinion is indeed partly based on it being "family friendly" and "colorful". Why don't you stop beating around the bush and just say that instead of this "how it portays itself" BS?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="anti_hero32"] actually resistance is better in both aspects.anti_hero32

It often does. Look at Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. In my opinion, that game is awesome and its sales are insane and a great deal play its online mode.

We both know that if Resistance were better than Halo or Call of Duty or Half-Life, it would have got a lot more attention. :) But I suppose they didn't find it too special...

[QUOTE="Bunj84"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"] Not to sound crass, but if you gave Bad Company a 1.0...I don't think you'd be able to exactly judge how much a game, or its component, is worth.Verge_6

First off, I had absolutely no idea id actually put a rating down for that game, apparently i did. But i certainly do not think its a 1. But what if i had given it a 1? you have just proven to me that you are not willing to listen to reasons logic behind such ratings. That is an even poorer reflection on your judgement than mine. I have stated my reasons for not liking Halo 3, but most people here who love not stated tangeable reasons as to why it is such a great game. Most people say "Its is the best FPS game ever made" and expect everyone else to swallow it like greedy little sluts. Well, I don't like Halo 3 (and i actually quite like Bad Company and have since ammended my rating), and there are many MANY FPS out there are far superior, such as COD4 + 5, Bad Company and BioShock.

But your absolutely right, I am completely unable to judge how much a game, or its component, is worth.

Flawless.

Now worries man, I apologize too.

could be worse, could be gears of war

that is some infantile stuff, it's not even subtle about who it's appealing to

could be worse, could be gears of war

that is some infantile stuff, it's not even subtle about who it's appealing to

voxware00

Hey, Gears of War is absolutely awesome.

[QUOTE="anti_hero32"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Really? Crazy how a game apparently THAT awesome failed to get any big attention from the gaming comunity. :|Verge_6

Yeah, I agree. I think we all know that.

could be worse, could be gears of war

that is some infantile stuff, it's not even subtle about who it's appealing to

voxware00

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="cutmaclass1"] This is accurate.Dystopian-X

It's actually not. Lowest common denominator implies there's something crass, mindless and juvenile about it. Although the story is definitely cheesy, it doesn't fit that criteria. I mean, do you see the characters throwing around gratuitious f-bombs of using toilet humor or something?

Gratuitous f-bombs are usually aimed towards the lowest common denominator. Profanity is sophisticated and effective when used appropriately, but when it's just there for the sake of being there (gratuitious), it's usually aimed towards the juvenile crowd. There is some more nuanced toilet humor out there, but farts and poop and etc. used repeatedly for no reason=usually aimed towards the lowest common demonitor as well.

That being said, if you think he could be right, explain what you think the "lowest common denominator" is and tell me why you think Halo might fightthis category.

I personally think labeling Halo that way is unfair.

GTA was the only worthy 10 on this site imo.

Halo 3 is for babies but it's still pretty goodhy4k

How is it "for babies"?

Halo3 is IMO the best online shooter out there.

[QUOTE="hy4k"]Halo 3 is for babies but it's still pretty goodTragic_Kingdom7

How is it "for babies"?

Maybe because you don't brutally tear your enemy apart with a chainsaw while you're screaming and the screen turns to blood. :P

Actually I thought the story was pretty 'mature'. :? Alot more than Gears or KZ2, that's for sure. I don't know what people have against Halo's story and characters, it just seems to be dismissed as yet another shallow, 5 hour, brainless killing spree around here. :(

Anyway, I hope this is a joke thread.

"It does with mainstream first person shooters. Like it or not, if a game came out as you claim which beat Halo 3 in both gameplay and online multiplayer it'd be absolutely huge. To say Resistance is better than Halo in both gameplay and online, to me, sounds like you dont know the difference between opinion and fact or you simply haven't played Halo."

I don't think there's any facts involved here. Halo>Resistance in these areas=opinion and vice-versa.

[QUOTE="anti_hero32"] popularity doesnt mean a game is better.Ninja-Hippo

GTA was the only worthy 10 on this site imo.

Leejjohno

I see game development as an art and therefore an intrinsic property of games (as with art) is that they will appeal to some ad not to others. There is degree of absoluteness possible in grading games (think graphics technical, sound, fluid controls) but there's also the artisic side to consider. Since no game will appeal to everyone, and giving something a 10/10 impies it's perfect, I think no game deserves a 10; a 9.5 tops.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="hy4k"]Halo 3 is for babies but it's still pretty goodDeathlessness

How is it "for babies"?

Maybe because you don't brutally tear your enemy apart with a chainsaw while you're screaming and the screen turns to blood. :P

Sounds like System Wars logic...so that's probably the reason.

The maturity of the game is something that always bothered me too. It tries to set itself up with an 'epic' story, but then when you start playing, the grunts run around like idiots and sound like 12 year olds. Now that I think about it, what is the point of having the grunts besides comic relief? They are pathetic as enemies. Along with that, the timeline feels very off. Five hundred years in the future, and everything looks pretty much the same as today on Earth? I like Halo, but those are a few things that annoy me about it.II-FBIsniper-II

It actually has an epic story. And Master Chief is so cool!

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

GTA was the only worthy 10 on this site imo.

NielsNL

I see game development as an art and therefore an intrinsic property of games (as with art) is that they will appeal to some ad not to others. There is degree of absoluteness possible in grading games (think graphics technical, sound, fluid controls) but there's also the artisic side to consider. Since no game will appeal to everyone, and giving something a 10/10 impies it's perfect, I think no game deserves a 10; a 9.5 tops.

Completely agree. You hate Halo 3?

[QUOTE="anti_hero32"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Really? Crazy how a game apparently THAT awesome failed to get any big attention from the gaming comunity. :|Deathlessness

It often does. Look at Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. In my opinion, that game is awesome and its sales are insane and a great deal play its online mode.

We both know that if Resistance were better than Halo or Call of Duty or Half-Life, it would have got a lot more attention. :) But I suppose they didn't find it too special...

yeah because we all know really great games have never slipped under the radar before with minimal play *cough*psychonauts*cough*snatcher*cough*

anyway tf2 is better than either, even in terms of story. and thats word to my momma