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#101 Dopemonk736
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[QUOTE="haxzor00110001"][QUOTE="Rob2223"]

good luck with that. all this arguement will make the ownage double when Halo 3 gets AAA

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i agree with you.

p.s. awesome face plate!



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did you make that?? That is sick, I'd pay 50$ for that thing :)
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#102 Bansheesdie
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i agree halo is an awesome game... i get hyped up for halo 3 whenever i imagine halo ce's music... will crysis get AAA? will halo look as good as crysis? will halo have environments as interactive as crysis? im not saying that halo 3 will be a bad game or that halo 1 and 2 werent awesome...

im saying that the bar is raised higher and higher everytime... can halo raise it high enough above the competition so that any familiarity with previous games in th series and even the fps are rendered meaningless?
amtentori
ditto; yes; no; uhh, what do you mean? The bar is reaised yes, but Bungie is also raising the bar. They are raising the bar very high.
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#103 Bansheesdie
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I doubt Halo 3 will flop, but I am just saying TP is not a bad game :PBlazeDragon132
I never meant to say that TP is a bad game, I'm just saying that Nintendo dropped the ball and didn't do everything they should have.
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#104 Spartan070
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i agree halo is an awesome game... i get hyped up for halo 3 whenever i imagine halo ce's music... will crysis get AAA? will halo look as good as crysis? will halo have environments as interactive as crysis? im not saying that halo 3 will be a bad game or that halo 1 and 2 werent awesome...

im saying that the bar is raised higher and higher everytime... can halo raise it high enough above the competition so that any familiarity with previous games in th series and even the fps are rendered meaningless?
amtentori
Yes. It has incredibly friendly controls that are difficult to master, in other words, it's inviting and rewarding. Also, weapon balance and map layouts are extremely well done in all Halo games so far, these are the biggest advantages one can have on other FPS games imo.
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#105 Rob2223
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[QUOTE="Rob2223"][QUOTE="haxzor00110001"][QUOTE="Rob2223"]

good luck with that. all this arguement will make the ownage double when Halo 3 gets AAA

Dopemonk736

i agree with you.

p.s. awesome face plate!



:P thanks!

did you make that?? That is sick, I'd pay 50$ for that thing :)



my sis made it, some might go on Ebay, PM me if your interested. but i doubt it will be too soon.
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#106 amtentori
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seems that the discussion has cooled down... time to let the topic die..

hopefully it will be a great game regardless of the score.
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#107 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]but you're saying all of that AFTER zelda was reviewed. we didn't know that stuff ahead of time.
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What do you want from me? A poem? You can't say why a game is going to flop before its reviewed. And I know that I can't say that Halo 3 won't flop with 100% certainty, all I can say is that Halo 3 won't flop. Which means nothing.


as long as you know.
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#108 Grive
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This is not flamebait but rather consider it motivation for an intelligent discussion.

i believe that other FPS will overshadow whatever halo 3 brings to the table in terms of gameplay. even rfom will make it harder for rfom to get a higher score. i have yet to play rfom and i havent obviously played halo 3 but im sure that they are both great.

lets begin with the good and the bad about rfom. the game has good graphics, detailed and varied environments, diverse weapons, good ai, good online mp with up to 40 ppl and no lag, etc. what score did it get? 8.6 why? it was a generic fps.. a good one that did everything well but failed to bring anything new. another example is zelda tp, the best zelda game ever made in many ways but its familiarity with previous zelda games and a cookie cutter formula got it a score of 8.8.
other games on the 360 will also hurt halos score. gears is an awesome as is rainbow six vegas. how good do halos graphics have to be to give us the wow factor that gears gave us? will halo have better team tactics than vegas? will halo 3 be as interactive as bioshock? will it be as vast as mass effect?

halo 3 is not an original ip anymore... how much can it satisfy us apart from the fact that its halo and we are finishing the fight?

tell me.. what will halo 3 bring to the table apart from possibly slightly superior graphics? how much can it bring to the fps genre that has been done before or that will be done this year before it? how good can fps multiplayer get?

a part of me wants halo to be a great game because i plan on playing it someday and hopefully further justify a purchase of a 360, another part of me wants halo to get a low score to behold the chaos that would ensue in system wars.

what do you think?
amtentori


I'm surprised. I was honestly waiting for a moron spewing fanboyism. It's a very good post, and you make some very valid, and possibly true, points.

However, there's one thing you're missing: It's Bungie. Fanboys say what they want, but Bungie is a historically top notch developer. Their three game series (Marathon, Myth and Halo) include some of the best games of their time.

Your post basically could be summed up (correct me if I'm wrong) in these points: The shooter genre has improved a lot since Halo, there's more competition, and thus the standard has been raised, and you don't believe bungie capable of delivering anything more than slightly better graphics.

I'm sure Bungie is capable, first of all, of delivering an impressive graphical experience. Will it be better than Gears? I don't know, and frankly, I don't really care. I don't need the best graphics ever - this will probably knock a couple of points off, so we know there won't be a perfect 10.

Gameplay wise, Bungie is a really creative studio, with an impressive work ethos. People forget that a lot of the stuff Halo did has become standard for the genre. What I think you're missing is that you cannot fathom what can Bungie will improve, but this doesn't mean Bungie cannot, either. The shooter genre is called "stale" and it's said "nothing more can be added" about once every two hours, but from time to time, a game comes out that says "Hey, we're not done yet" and shows something completely new, or at the very least, does the standard in a completely new way.

Bungie has done something good with it's FPS.

I guess my point is: All your argument is based on your disbelief on Bungie's ability to deliver a fresh yet quality experience. I'm just saying, giving Bungie's track record, they do deserve the benefit of the doubt - and even deserve belief in their skills as game developers.
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#109 eddy_of_york
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Flop....not so much, it's too strong a word....but your making a good point. The third of the trilogy will be different though. They're refreshing the gameplay by remaking the core of the covenant army (elites replaced by brutes)...I think this mixed with a bit of rehashed halo: ce elements taht were lost could actually turn it into a great game...but it'll still have lots of haters.
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#110 Wanderer5
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It too early to tell if it would flop or not.
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#111 OpticalCanine
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how creative. create a halo bashing thread
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#112 air0123
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For every one person that hates on halo there are 100 who love it, just remember that.
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#113 palaric8
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remember guys is MATER CHIEF!!!!!!!!
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#114 KingOfJersey
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The Halo 3 will flop??? What are you nutz!@#$! With all the 360 owners out there I think it will put up at least 7 million copies E-Z!!!!!
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#115 11Marcel
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I think there's plenty things to set halo 3 apart from the rest. First is the gameplay. There's a big difference between a 10 in gameplay and a 9 in gameplay. The 10 keeps you hooked for a year, the 9 for a month. Halo is always the one with the 10. Also there's the music. I doubt many other games around that time will come with music as incredible as halo's. Third is multiplayer. Halo 2 was years ahead of its competition with the multiplayer, so will halo 3 probably be. Next up there's the story. It's the final game in a storyline, and bungie will probably make a beautiful ending, and we can probably expect lots of plot twists. I think all those things will make sure halo 3 doesn't flop if you ask me...
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#116 Shinobishyguy
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    There is no way Halo will flop. To many fans to let it flop. SpruceCaboose
thats what they said about Zelda. Death threats from fan boys won't change the reviewers opinion
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#117 xBALOx
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]    There is no way Halo will flop. To many fans to let it flop. Shinobishyguy
thats what they said about Zelda. Death threats from fan boys won't change the reviewers opinion

so u think it deserves an 8.8 , good to know..
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#118 RocKtheCasbaH
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Halo3 wont flop, it's one of those games that's so massively hyped the reviewer only has to open the box to give it a 9.5.
Unfortunately I can't see it being as good as it needs to be.

They have to make changes each time they bring out a new one and each change takes it further away from Halo1 - and what originally launched them in to the stratosphere.

H2 wasn't a patch on Halo1, so how can H3 be if it builds on H2?

I hope I'm wrong though
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#119 sneeze25
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HAHAHAHA you said there will be other FPS to overshadow Halo.....man i needed a good laugh thanks for that
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#120 xdude85
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Your topic fails, Halo 3 doesn't.
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#121 Silvereign
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Halo Flops 360 flops. That won't happen. Definate AAA game /thread.
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#122 CaseyWegner
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Halo3 wont flop, it's one of those games that's so massively hyped the reviewer only has to open the box to give it a 9.5.
RocKtheCasbaH

zelda:tp was hyped more than halo 3 has been and look at what happened.

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#123 ticalmc2k2
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Halo won't flop, but I think I see what the orignal guy means. It'll sell millions of copies but I think it'll do what every Halo has done. It will just be one of the best all-around basic FPS. Halo was never very innovative, nor did it add new elements to the genre. But it had/has some of the best of everything. (AI, controls, story, graphics, balance, etc.) So, it'll sell massively and still most likely be a great game, but I don't think people will be blown away in terms of things they weren't expecting and innovation. That's why many people who have been playing FPS on PC's for years don't think Halo is the best FPS ever.
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#124 Blackbond
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System wars is funny. I never thought that one day people would think Halo 3 would flop and Killzone will succeed.
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#125 amtentori
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clarifications:

i dont hate halo
i know halo 3 will sell amazingly well
i dont have an opinion about killzone 2
read my points before pushing it aside and calling me a fanboy
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#126 lawlessx
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clarifications:

i dont hate halo
i know halo 3 will sell amazingly well
i dont have an opinion about killzone 2
read my points before pushing it aside and calling me a fanboy
amtentori
why on earth did you bump a week old thread?
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#127 kingjazziephiz
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i hate when fellow sheep bash future aaa games...
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#128 mlbslugger86
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:shock: halo 3 a flop?i think not,the massive amount of pre-orders say otherwise.

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#129 Bgrngod
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] There is no way Halo will flop. To many fans to let it flop. MillimeterPeter

number of fans =/= AAA score

No matter what score it gets, it will definitely NOT flop (in terms of sales). There's just too many Halo fans for the game to not sell. It can get an 8.0 rating and it will still sell millions of copies. If I've noticed one thing, it's that Xbox owners are very dedicated to certain titles, on a level greater than that of Playstation owners and Nintendo owners. For example, because of the vast variety of great games on the PS2, PS2 owners were a very diverse crowd and not everyone bought GTA, Socom, MGS, Final Fantasy games, it was all mixed. However, Halo was one of the only games on the Xbox worth purchasing so MANY people bought it. I hope this makes sense.

We didn't really have a whole lot of huge titles to pick from mostly. But you are correct, Halo 3 will absolutely not flop. It's entirely possible it may get a low score here on GS, but it will sell like crazy guaranteed.
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#130 amtentori
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note:

im only talking about gamespot score....not sales and not other websites scores...

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#131 xXHackettXx
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good luck with that. all this arguement will make the ownage double when Halo 3 gets AAA

Rob2223
Maybe we can get some more Sheep off the fourms like we did for Gears.
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#132 Bgrngod
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note:

im only talking about gamespot score....not sales and not other websites scores...

amtentori
So why don't you rename the post "Halo 3 will get a lot Gamespot score" instead of "Halo 3 will flop..."?
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#133 bloodychimp
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If Halo 3 is as bad as Halo 2 was (Halo CE was great, 2 just put a bad taste in my mouth) then it deserves a AA. It wont happen though, because like it or not, its Halo, and GS will give it AAA because its Halo. That being said, if its nothing more then a reskinned Halo CE I will be happy. Just kill the energy sword and give me back my pistol.
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#134 bloodychimp
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[QUOTE="amtentori"]note:

im only talking about gamespot score....not sales and not other websites scores...

Bgrngod
So why don't you rename the post "Halo 3 will get a lot Gamespot score" instead of "Halo 3 will flop..."?



Getting a low GS score is what consititutes a flop on System Wars. Zelda: TP is a great game, but its still a flop because it was hyped AAA and it got a AA.
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#135 kcpp2b
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This is not flamebait but rather consider it motivation for an intelligent discussion.

i believe that other FPS will overshadow whatever halo 3 brings to the table in terms of gameplay. even rfom will make it harder for rfom to get a higher score. i have yet to play rfom and i havent obviously played halo 3 but im sure that they are both great.

lets begin with the good and the bad about rfom. the game has good graphics, detailed and varied environments, diverse weapons, good ai, good online mp with up to 40 ppl and no lag, etc. what score did it get? 8.6 why? it was a generic fps.. a good one that did everything well but failed to bring anything new. another example is zelda tp, the best zelda game ever made in many ways but its familiarity with previous zelda games and a cookie cutter formula got it a score of 8.8.
other games on the 360 will also hurt halos score. gears is an awesome as is rainbow six vegas. how good do halos graphics have to be to give us the wow factor that gears gave us? will halo have better team tactics than vegas? will halo 3 be as interactive as bioshock? will it be as vast as mass effect?

halo 3 is not an original ip anymore... how much can it satisfy us apart from the fact that its halo and we are finishing the fight?

tell me.. what will halo 3 bring to the table apart from possibly slightly superior graphics? how much can it bring to the fps genre that has been done before or that will be done this year before it? how good can fps multiplayer get?

a part of me wants halo to be a great game because i plan on playing it someday and hopefully further justify a purchase of a 360, another part of me wants halo to get a low score to behold the chaos that would ensue in system wars.

what do you think?
amtentori


Dude I made a Halo thread for people like you, use that is instead of this crap. lol

And I love the idea that Halo 3 shouldn't exist or has nothng. That's like saying Lord of the Rings: Return of the King shouldn't have been mad as a book or movie because what's the point, it will all be the same and nothing will be different and it can't satisfy blah blah blah.... Halo 3 is a part ofa franchise that may even continue after this one who knows. People love the Master Chief, people love the Halo world and honestly, Halo's stories having been boring to me but that alone shows how amazing the gameplay is. The stories mean little to me but I love the Gameplay SO MUCH so that I can still call Halo one of the top games of all time IMO and franchises IMO.

Saying it will flop is obviously flamebait cause it is a very stupid remark that only invites hatred and bitterness in posts.

You sound like another person hating the fact that Halo is not on their console of choice and not exclusive to their console of choice. Please people get over it...Halo 3 will not Flop. It may do a 8.5 but we Halo people honestly don't care. I don't care if it gets 2.0 I just love this game so much and it's gameplay. You obviously don't because if you loved it's gameplay you wouldn't be making your comments.
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#136 -GeordiLaForge-
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Halo 3 will not flop. Common sense ought to tell people this. Anyone who thinks otherwise will get proved wrong soon enough...
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#137 klabut
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Resistance got an 8.6 because it was rather short didn't have much of a story and didn't really bring anything new to the table in terms of gameplay.
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#138 DaysAirlines
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How many preorders does Halo 3 already have? Somewhere upwards of a million?
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#139 CaseyWegner
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Halo 3 will not flop. Common sense ought to tell people this. Anyone who thinks otherwise will get proved wrong soon enough...-GeordiLaForge-

how does common sense say that halo 3 can't score below a 9 here?

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#140 2cool4u666
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] There is no way Halo will flop. To many fans to let it flop. CaseyWegner

number of fans =/= AAA score

getting AA=/= flopping :-/
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#141 D00nut
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B-b-but teh hidden X button function!
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#142 ps3weee
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This is not flamebait but rather consider it motivation for an intelligent discussion.

i believe that other FPS will overshadow whatever halo 3 brings to the table in terms of gameplay. even rfom will make it harder for rfom to get a higher score. i have yet to play rfom and i havent obviously played halo 3 but im sure that they are both great.

lets begin with the good and the bad about rfom. the game has good graphics, detailed and varied environments, diverse weapons, good ai, good online mp with up to 40 ppl and no lag, etc. what score did it get? 8.6 why? it was a generic fps.. a good one that did everything well but failed to bring anything new. another example is zelda tp, the best zelda game ever made in many ways but its familiarity with previous zelda games and a cookie cutter formula got it a score of 8.8.
other games on the 360 will also hurt halos score. gears is an awesome as is rainbow six vegas. how good do halos graphics have to be to give us the wow factor that gears gave us? will halo have better team tactics than vegas? will halo 3 be as interactive  as bioshock? will it be as vast as mass effect?

halo 3 is not an original ip anymore... how much can it satisfy us apart from the fact that its halo and we are finishing the fight?

tell me.. what will halo 3 bring to the table apart from possibly slightly superior graphics? how much can it bring to the fps genre that has been done before or that will be done this year before it? how good can fps multiplayer get?

 a part of me wants halo to be a great game because i plan on playing it someday and hopefully further justify a purchase of a 360, another part of me wants halo to get a low score to behold the chaos that would ensue in system wars.

what do you think?
amtentori
i stoped reading at the topic , halo 3 will flop ,,, you fail
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#143 lukemorgan21
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way too many halo fans sry, not gonna happen.
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#144 cakeorrdeath
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way too many halo fans sry, not gonna happen.lukemorgan21


No. of fans effects score?

Then why does pokemon always get A?
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#145 shadow_lord_11
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why do you assume that halo 3 has to reinvent the fps to score well?

it could simply be a great game in all assets.
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#146 TheCrazed420
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I especially like the part where the OP said he has yet to play RFOM and then proceeded to give us a little review on RFOM.....though I do slightly agree with some of his points, strictly basing this on the leaked vids we've seen, Halo looks to not be innovating too much in this latest installment. Hell, they barely innovated on the second one. I will of course still be buying it because I still like the Halo universe, but I'm approaching with caution.
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#147 ps3weee
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[QUOTE="Liquid_47"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Liquid_47"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]It might. If Zelda flopped, anything is possible.CaseyWegner
Don't give me that stupid excuse. So if Mario flopped, anything is possible too. How about Sonic? If that flopped, anything is possible. Just because OoT is named the greatest game of all time does not mean the Zelda series is invincible. Or anything else for that matter.


sounds like you should think it's a pretty good excuse then. :?

Yes, Halo 3 can flop, but not because Zelda flopped. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


why is it so stupid? people acted like zelda was invincible just like people are acting like halo is invincible.

Be serious , zelda TP never promised anything really "new", not in any previews , not to mention it was realesed on a console with last gen hardware. Bungie has allready promised uss alot new, also if you belive that bungie wont use the power of the 360 witch btw is faaar superior to the xbox then you belivewrong. Only by taking advantage of the 360 bungie will make a game that is a whole different from halo 1 and 2 , somthing Zelda never did.so it is stupid comparing it to a zelda flop yeah.
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#148 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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[QUOTE="Rob2223"][QUOTE="Bansheesdie"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]bungie has made several non-AAA games.
Bansheesdie
Marathon 2 for the PC, Oni and Myth



Marathon, Oni, and Myth were awesome. AA worthy, and Myth was AAA worthy imo

Myth: The Fallen Lords=8.9, Myth II: Soulblighter=9.3

It's sad that Bungie doesn't own the rights to Myth anymore. :( It could have made a great Xbox Live Arcade game... well, atleast there's always Marathon.
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#150 AvIdGaMeR444
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This is not flamebait but rather consider it motivation for an intelligent discussion.

i believe that other FPS will overshadow whatever halo 3 brings to the table in terms of gameplay. even rfom will make it harder for rfom to get a higher score. i have yet to play rfom and i havent obviously played halo 3 but im sure that they are both great.

lets begin with the good and the bad about rfom. the game has good graphics, detailed and varied environments, diverse weapons, good ai, good online mp with up to 40 ppl and no lag, etc. what score did it get? 8.6 why? it was a generic fps.. a good one that did everything well but failed to bring anything new. another example is zelda tp, the best zelda game ever made in many ways but its familiarity with previous zelda games and a cookie cutter formula got it a score of 8.8.
other games on the 360 will also hurt halos score. gears is an awesome as is rainbow six vegas. how good do halos graphics have to be to give us the wow factor that gears gave us? will halo have better team tactics than vegas? will halo 3 be as interactive  as bioshock? will it be as vast as mass effect?

halo 3 is not an original ip anymore... how much can it satisfy us apart from the fact that its halo and we are finishing the fight?

tell me.. what will halo 3 bring to the table apart from possibly slightly superior graphics? how much can it bring to the fps genre that has been done before or that will be done this year before it? how good can fps multiplayer get?

 a part of me wants halo to be a great game because i plan on playing it someday and hopefully further justify a purchase of a 360, another part of me wants halo to get a low score to behold the chaos that would ensue in system wars.

what do you think?
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You used the words "Halo" and "flop" in the same sentence.  Lemmings hate that.