Halo 4 multiplayer will require 8GB install

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#101 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

tormentos as i will reiterate i could not give a flying feck bout how much an HDD for a PS3 costs so go into that corner and simmer.

tormentos

Gees i know my argument was good,but not that good..haha

what because i honestly dont care what you said, you think im somehow in a rage.

Yeah kid keep thinking that.

Cows on here seem to have the mental capacity of a toddler on acid.

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#102 PAL360
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8GB mandatory install have confirmed that there will be multiple discs for Halo 4.

Yet another multiple discs galore for the Xbox 360. :roll:

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You start gaming this gen, right?

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#103 GamerwillzPS
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Misleading thread title. D:Stevo_the_gamer

How are you feeling about this? :cool:

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#104 GamerwillzPS
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[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

8GB mandatory install have confirmed that there will be multiple discs for Halo 4.

Yet another multiple discs galore for the Xbox 360. :roll:

PAL360

You start gaming this gen, right?

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#105 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

You have criticised someone for their English and still feeling like a smart ass? You should have a look at your grammar here... :roll:

GamerwillzPS

my care cup is empty kiddo, move along.

I bet you are feeling really stupid now, aren't you?

You should never criticise someone for their English & grammar when you are making your mistakes. What a hypocrite you are.

what because i dont care what you say makes me a hypocrite.

The amount of fecks given is nil.As i said my care cup is completely empty.

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#106 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Oh if only PS3 gamers were getting a top of the line, highly anticipated world class Exclusive like Halo this year, they wouldn't worry so much about a 360 gamer with no HDD needing to spend a few measly bucks on a flash drive. :o

Just goes to show you, 360's got Games baby, PS3, I dunno ?

Next up, lets try to find something to biatch about concerning another awesome 360 exclusive launching this year, Forza Horizon shall we ? :P

tormentos

Oh Please Halo is the new COD on 360,halo 4 is the 5th Halo game on 360,4 FPS 1 RTS i played Reach and while i enjoyed,it got old pretty fast,maybe is because the whole Halo thing is getting old. I rather play Sony's smash brother knock off,that Halo 4 at least is something refreshing,and not the same game over and over again. Funny the same people who claimed the PS3 had no exclusive now salivate over the same 3 exclusives on 360 over and over again,so what will you be playing next year Gear Forza.? Now is Forza Halo,and last year was also Gears Forza..my god...gaming on 360 is stagnated...

Geeez, if I was ispeakfax, I'd be posting so many Jelly pics it would choke ya. :twisted:

Also, gimme, gimme, gimme moar, moar & moar AAA stagnation on 360 rather than PS3's no exclusive games worth crowing about at all for the remainder of this year. :o:P

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#108 casharmy
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What I find amusing about this is it's the people who don't like Halo that are taking this news as bad, everyone who does care about Halo doesn't care.soulitane

it's bad news if you're a 4 gig owner.

Some consumers know how to make smart buys but alot more do not. I will be one of the first to defend PS3 as being the best console this gen...but even I wouldn't be caught with one of the gimped BC-less newer models because I look at it as a dumb buy. For people who do own a 4gig and want to play this game they will have to dish out more moeny just to get access.

I think the BC-less PS3 by sony was a rip off tactic as do I think the 4gig 360 from MS was a rip-off tactic. Sony comes in the form of having to pay again to play past gen games and MS comes in the form of having to pay again to upgrade the console to play current gen games. It's BS on both parts, So if you say 4gig 360 owners wouldn't care if it affects them playing the latest greatest halo, it's damage control pure and simple. And Soulitane I already know you are a big Halo fan, but no need to DC this.

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#111 JangoWuzHere
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I don't get it, they limit patching sizes because of owners of arcade and core xboxs. Then they themselves pull this move? Makes no sense.

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#112 soulitane
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[QUOTE="soulitane"]What I find amusing about this is it's the people who don't like Halo that are taking this news as bad, everyone who does care about Halo doesn't care.casharmy

it's bad news if you're a 4 gig owner.

Some consumers know how to make smart buys but alot more do not. I will be one of the first to defend PS3 as being the best console this gen...but even I wouldn't be caught with one of the gimped BC-less newer models because I look at it as a dumb buy. For people who do own a 4gig and want to play this game they will have to dish out more moeny just to get access.

I think the BC-less PS3 by sony was a rip off tactic as do I think the 4gig 360 from MS was a rip-off tactic. Sony comes in the form of having to pay again to play past gen games and MS comes in the form of having to pay again to upgrade the console to play current gen games. It's BS on both parts, So if you say 4gig 360 owners wouldn't care if it affects them playing the latest greatest halo, it's damage control pure and simple. And Soulitane I already know you are a big Halo fan, but no need to DC this.

Most of that post was pretty irrelevant but anyway. Big Halo fan? Yes, interested in Halo 4? Not particularly, I've voiced my disdain for it on many occasions on here, That aside, this is a non issue, an 8gb flash drive is what $10 these days, not to mention a lot of people having one lying around? No damage control needed, I just don't see it as a major issue.
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[QUOTE="soulitane"]What I find amusing about this is it's the people who don't like Halo that are taking this news as bad, everyone who does care about Halo doesn't care.casharmy

it's bad news if you're a 4 gig owner.

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They already learned the hard way with Halo Reach.
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#114 casharmy
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"]What I find amusing about this is it's the people who don't like Halo that are taking this news as bad, everyone who does care about Halo doesn't care.sts106mat

it's bad news if you're a 4 gig owner.

Some consumers know how to make smart buys but alot more do not. I will be one of the first to defend PS3 as being the best console this gen...but even I wouldn't be caught with one of the gimped BC-less newer models because I look at it as a dumb buy. For people who do own a 4gig and want to play this game they will have to dish out more moeny just to get access.

I think the BC-less PS3 by sony was a rip off tactic as do I think the 4gig 360 from MS was a rip-off tactic.

well as we all know, anyone who wants to play halo has to "dish out" for GOLD just to be able to play the MP anyway, so... once again, this is the first 360 retail release to REQUIRE an install. when i bought my PS2 it didn't include a memory card, that cost about £30 for an 8MB memory card IIRC, i wasn't bothered because i wanted to be able to save my progress. How the hell was the PS2 released without the ability to save your progress? this halo 4 argument seems a bit petty now eh?

PS2? you mean the system released in 2001. Yea, lets compaire 360 to PS2 to save face on the current issue.

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#115 GamerwillzPS
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[QUOTE="sts106mat"] can you explain why one disc = better? my opinion is not wrong. unlike you, i am able to remember when more discs was factually a good thing.sts106mat

It's all about the convenience of having 1 disc. Microsoft has made a mistake.

If the console comes with Blu-ray, all of your Xbox 360 games would come with 1 disc.

and with that comes slow read speed, redundant repeated data, poorly optimized multiplats and forced lengthy installs. one disc is convenient, if you spend no time swapping it, i'll bet you spend much longer waiting and installing those multiplats with mandatory installs, than i do physically swapping discs.

It took me about 15 minutes to install both dead space 2 discs the other day, getting on for about 12GB or something.

i dont care about installs as long as they dont take ages, they actually are a good thing on 360 as they reduce the noise of the console to little more than a whisper and speed up load time performance.

:roll:

I think I know the average age of 360 owners.

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#116 kuraimen
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Lol not only they have to pay to play online now they have to buy an overpriced hard drive to play a game they already paid for. Microsoft surely knows their lemming audience lol. Bu bu but Bluray is useless :lol:
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#117 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

not really seeing the "closet" part of it...but ok

casharmy

Yes, I decided to be incredibly open about my preferences. Six years of pretending is tough, you know.

Well since I have been a user here 90% of your posts are bashing sony and praising MS/360 it doen't really count as pretending...a small portion of your posts are Nintendo related compared to your xbox360 praise defense ratio. But like I said...ok

Bashing Sony is a hobby of mine.
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Lol not only they have to pay to play online now they have to buy an overpriced hard drive to play a game they already paid for. Microsoft surely knows their lemming audience lol. Bu bu but Bluray is useless :lol: kuraimen
What does Blu-ray have to do with requiring a hard drive to cache large amounts of data?
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#120 GamerwillzPS
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[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="casharmy"]

it's bad news if you're a 4 gig owner.

Some consumers know how to make smart buys but alot more do not. I will be one of the first to defend PS3 as being the best console this gen...but even I wouldn't be caught with one of the gimped BC-less newer models because I look at it as a dumb buy. For people who do own a 4gig and want to play this game they will have to dish out more moeny just to get access.

I think the BC-less PS3 by sony was a rip off tactic as do I think the 4gig 360 from MS was a rip-off tactic. casharmy

well as we all know, anyone who wants to play halo has to "dish out" for GOLD just to be able to play the MP anyway, so... once again, this is the first 360 retail release to REQUIRE an install. when i bought my PS2 it didn't include a memory card, that cost about £30 for an 8MB memory card IIRC, i wasn't bothered because i wanted to be able to save my progress. How the hell was the PS2 released without the ability to save your progress? this halo 4 argument seems a bit petty now eh?

PS2? you mean the system released in 2001. Yea, lets compaire 360 to PS2 to save face on the current issue.

It's 2000.

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#122 Thefatness16
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No sure if people saw my original post, but the thread title and article are wrong. They got their info from an xbox.com page, but the page never says you need to install or have 8GB of free space.

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#124 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Lol not only they have to pay to play online now they have to buy an overpriced hard drive to play a game they already paid for. Microsoft surely knows their lemming audience lol. Bu bu but Bluray is useless :lol: sts106mat
bluray is basically useless for gaming, what does bluray have to do with halo 4 maybe needing a hard drive install?

its been pretty useless this gen, next gen i think it will be a bigger player in turn due to better read speeds and such on the drives shipped in consoles.

But this gen its been hobbled by the slow speeds and data transmission because the drives are slwo and pale in comparrison to those of a DVD which have done perfectly well until the later era of this gen.

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#125 SecretPolice
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No sure if people saw my original post, but the thread title and article are wrong. They got their info from an xbox.com page, but the page never says you need to install or have 8GB of free space.

Thefatness16

Don't confuse system warriors with Facts when they're try to bash on a game :P

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#127 casharmy
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] well as we all know, anyone who wants to play halo has to "dish out" for GOLD just to be able to play the MP anyway, so... once again, this is the first 360 retail release to REQUIRE an install. when i bought my PS2 it didn't include a memory card, that cost about £30 for an 8MB memory card IIRC, i wasn't bothered because i wanted to be able to save my progress. How the hell was the PS2 released without the ability to save your progress? this halo 4 argument seems a bit petty now eh?

sts106mat

PS2? you mean the system released in 2001. Yea, lets compaire 360 to PS2 to save face on the current issue.

its not about saving face you brainless dork. the point is,back then, i wanted to play the game and save my progress, i paid the extra money for the memory card AND WAS HAPPY with my purchase. now, if someone is going to want to play halo 4 multiplayer, they will have to pay, if they dont want to play F*** off, who cares? looks to me like the only ones with an issue about this are known halo / xbox haters. cry more you sad F***s!

lol, already resorting to insults, cursing and raging? Is it the typical manner in which you handle conversations in life? ha you are a sad little guy, anywayz...

point is...it's not back then, it is NOW. What exactly don't you understand about that. Why are you damage controling past issues as a cruch on a current generation issue? It may not be an issue for me or you but for many gamers who own a 4gig model it's pretty patheic to have to put out extra money just to have basic playback of a supposed standard game. This is one of the reasons Sony decided to go with a 20 model at minimum to avoid issues like that. Again this is not last gen.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Lol not only they have to pay to play online now they have to buy an overpriced hard drive to play a game they already paid for. Microsoft surely knows their lemming audience lol. Bu bu but Bluray is useless :lol: sts106mat
bluray is basically useless for gaming, what does bluray have to do with halo 4 maybe needing a hard drive install?

:roll:

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#129 kuraimen
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They even advertise the hard drive on the same announcement. LOL ridiculous "At a minimum, youll need at least an 8GB USB Flash Drive or an Xbox 360 Hard Drive to play Multiplayer mode in Halo 4. For an optimal experience playing with an Xbox 360 Hard Drive is highly recommended. For Xbox 360 4GB, Arcade and Core consoles, the Xbox 360 Hard Drive is sold separately. See below for more details on the storage device options available for Xbox 360 and Halo 4." http://www.xbox.com/en-us/marketplace/product/halo-4/optimizing-your-halo-4-experience
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#130 Thefatness16
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[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

No sure if people saw my original post, but the thread title and article are wrong. They got their info from an xbox.com page, but the page never says you need to install or have 8GB of free space.

SecretPolice

Don't confuse system warriors with Facts when they're try to bash on a game :P

Yep people are so obsessed over bashing a game and they haven't even realised what they're arguing over isn't even that major.

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[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Lol not only they have to pay to play online now they have to buy an overpriced hard drive to play a game they already paid for. Microsoft surely knows their lemming audience lol. Bu bu but Bluray is useless :lol: GamerwillzPS

bluray is basically useless for gaming, what does bluray have to do with halo 4 maybe needing a hard drive install?

:roll:

this gen its hobbled the PS3..it looked good on sheer capacity but it was hobbled by incredibly slow drive speeds.

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#134 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] bluray is basically useless for gaming, what does bluray have to do with halo 4 maybe needing a hard drive install?razgriz_101

:roll:

this gen its hobbled the PS3..it looked good on sheer capacity but it was hobbled by incredibly slow drive speeds.

Couple it with big and cheap hard drives and you have a win unlike the 360.
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[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="sts106mat"] bluray is basically useless for gaming, what does bluray have to do with halo 4 maybe needing a hard drive install?razgriz_101

:roll:

this gen its hobbled the PS3..it looked good on sheer capacity but it was hobbled by incredibly slow drive speeds.

Why does slow drive speed matter when I can just upgrade my hard drive to as big as 1TB?

Lemmings are really sickening, to be honest. They have to be the stupidest people I've ever seen on the Internet.

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#138 razgriz_101
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

:roll:

GamerwillzPS

this gen its hobbled the PS3..it looked good on sheer capacity but it was hobbled by incredibly slow drive speeds.

Why does slow drive speed matter when I can just upgrade my hard drive to as big as 1TB?

Lemmings are really sickening, to be honest. They have to be the stupidest people I've ever seen on the Internet.

before you call me a lemming i am going to say im not, its the cornerstone of your arguement when you get beat as per usual but hey whats new coming from you.

the slow drive speed matters, its why we see redundant data and stuff on disks aswell as installs which arent that good for the consumer in my book, a consumer wants the most streamlined and well...plug n play experience possible, patching and installs detract overall from my gaming experience.

Slow drive speeds have actually been a problem for the PS3 in some areas, for a machine that was touted as the second coming its a bit lackluster compared to its predecessors.

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#139 GamerwillzPS
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[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

this gen its hobbled the PS3..it looked good on sheer capacity but it was hobbled by incredibly slow drive speeds.

sts106mat

Why does slow drive speed matter when I can just upgrade my hard drive to as big as 1TB?

what? my god, you are too stupid, i dont think you'd even get on the jeremy kyle show.

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[QUOTE="sts106mat"] its not about saving face you brainless dork. the point is,back then, i wanted to play the game and save my progress, i paid the extra money for the memory card AND WAS HAPPY with my purchase. now, if someone is going to want to play halo 4 multiplayer, they will have to pay, if they dont want to play F*** off, who cares? looks to me like the only ones with an issue about this are known halo / xbox haters. cry more you sad F***s!sts106mat

lol, already resorting to insults, cursing and raging? Is it the typical manner in which you handle conversations in life? ha you are a sad little guy, anywayz...

point is...it's not back then, it is NOW. What exactly don't you understand about that. Why are you damage controling past issues as a cruch on a current generation issue? It may not be an issue for me or you but for many gamers who own a 4gig model it's pretty patheic to have to put out extra money just to have basic playback of a supposed standard game. This is one of the reasons Sony decided to go with a 20 model at minimum to avoid issues like that. Again this is not last gen.

yeah well, i figured you deserved it since you accused me of writing something i plainly didn't yesterday, but you did apologise, and so will I. sorry. do you get the point i was trying to make though. PS go check my post on the first page and then come back and apologise yourself please.

It's not even that serious to me, I was just giving my opinion on the issure. I would never buy something like the 4gig, so I said it doesn't affect me (or you?). In general I was saying it's a rip-off tactic.

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#142 StrongDeadlift
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lol,already resorting to insults, cursing and raging? Is it the typical manner in which you handle conversations in life?ha you are a sad little guy, anywayz...

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

and there you go...blind eye fanboy glasses wearingdouche, I asked where do 360 and wii fall for him because I was asking where how he gauged his opinion.

In your cloud ofstupidlyand fanboyism you think that anyone who isn't bashing sony is automatically a cow. Objectivity does not exist in thedelusionalworld you live in, you need to get over yourself and stop throwing a fit because other people don't go around bashing sony for no apparent reason like you.

casharmy

Not "anyone", just you. ;). I also dont hate the PS3, Im playing it right now. havent turned on my Xbox in about 2 weeks :)

I called you a cow, because you very clearly ARE a cow. You didnt like the fact that the authenticity of something PS3 related was being challenged, so your first instinct was to bring up the 360. As if that would somehow negate the existence of whatever problems he had with PS3.

"A PS3 exclusive has X problems wrong with it".

"Well...um.....this 360 exclusive has the SAME problem....what about that huh? Why dont you pick on that 360 game huh!!! Oh yea, thats right LEMMING!!!:evil:"

This is not the first time youve done this, nor is it the first time Ive even called you out on it. Also, I assure you I am not as invested mentally/emotionally in the matter as you believe me to be (no hate).

I don't give a damn what you claim to be playingjackass. I never asked you what the hell you were playing, you really are astupid fanboy. You called me a cow because you are aidioticfanboyzealotwho tries to be a fakeboy "i'm playing Ps3 right now"like I give a ****. Stop addressing my postsdumbass,just continue to bethe moron you arewithout worrying about what faction you believe I belong to.

You are such an idiot,yes you must indeed be alemtard. You are still saying in your post "you had to bring up 360" nodimwit, blind and dumb fanboy I brought up 360 and wii...ya konw the other 2 current gen consoles on the market? pff

Then you went to say my post was to "negate the problems he had with the PS3"?Idiotthat comment right there PROVES YOU ARE THEFANBOY. He never said he had "problems" with the PS3, he gave a freakingopinion he thought the entire library is meh. This opinion supposedly spanned a whole library of games, that's not even an opinion the most jaded fanboy should take seriously but you try to defend it. If someone was to come with the same of the 360 what would we hear from you? Cow cow cow cow. How do I know? Because you have done it before.

Your posts are tired and so are you, don't try playing a mediator when all you do is post like a moronic fanboy

Casharmy gonna Casharmy :cool:

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#143 GamerwillzPS
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[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

this gen its hobbled the PS3..it looked good on sheer capacity but it was hobbled by incredibly slow drive speeds.

razgriz_101

Why does slow drive speed matter when I can just upgrade my hard drive to as big as 1TB?

Lemmings are really sickening, to be honest. They have to be the stupidest people I've ever seen on the Internet.

before you call me a lemming i am going to say im not, its the cornerstone of your arguement when you get beat as per usual but hey whats new coming from you.

the slow drive speed matters, its why we see redundant data and stuff on disks aswell as installs which arent that good for the consumer in my book, a consumer wants the most streamlined and well...plug n play experience possible, patching and installs detract overall from my gaming experience.

Slow drive speeds have actually been a problem for the PS3 in some areas, for a machine that was touted as the second coming its a bit lackluster compared to its predecessors.

I'm going to ask you a good logical question here: What PS3 games that are affected by slow drive speed? There is none. The advantage that Blu-ray have given to PS3 exclusives is the capacity of the disc, so they have taken the advantage of it. Many of them are over 12GB.

Don't respond stupidly please, for the love of God. Don't listen to your emotions, listen to the logic instead.

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#144 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Why does slow drive speed matter when I can just upgrade my hard drive to as big as 1TB?GamerwillzPS

what? my god, you are too stupid, i dont think you'd even get on the jeremy kyle show.

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What PS3 games that are affected by slow drive speed? GamerwillzPS
Every game featuring a mandatory install. Meaning: more than none but less than all.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Lol not only they have to pay to play online now they have to buy an overpriced hard drive to play a game they already paid for. Microsoft surely knows their lemming audience lol. Bu bu but Bluray is useless :lol: sts106mat
bluray is basically useless for gaming, what does bluray have to do with halo 4 maybe needing a hard drive install?

Rage,blue dragon,LA Noire and several other games complete destroy your argument. Hell Uncharted 3 is close to 50GB long,Resistance which is a launch game was 17GB long,MS has make developer have nightmare with the whole compression crap,and have force developer to even cut data from the games,because is well know that they do charge a per disc royalty to developers. Blu-Ray was need it and MS refuse it because sony was behind it,and because they rushed the 360 to the market as RROD proved. Saying Blu-ray wasn't need it is like saying that DVD wasn't need it last gen,because many games on PS2 did came on CD,is not about now is about the future.
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Why does slow drive speed matter when I can just upgrade my hard drive to as big as 1TB?

Lemmings are really sickening, to be honest. They have to be the stupidest people I've ever seen on the Internet.

GamerwillzPS

before you call me a lemming i am going to say im not, its the cornerstone of your arguement when you get beat as per usual but hey whats new coming from you.

the slow drive speed matters, its why we see redundant data and stuff on disks aswell as installs which arent that good for the consumer in my book, a consumer wants the most streamlined and well...plug n play experience possible, patching and installs detract overall from my gaming experience.

Slow drive speeds have actually been a problem for the PS3 in some areas, for a machine that was touted as the second coming its a bit lackluster compared to its predecessors.

I'm going to ask you a good logical question here: What PS3 games that are affected by slow drive speed? There is none. The advantage that Blu-ray have given to PS3 exclusives is the capacity of the disc, so they have taken the advantage of it. Many of them are over 12GB.

Don't respond stupidly please, for the love of God. Don't listen to your emotions, listen to the logic instead.

you do know the reason for installs is actually becaause of the slow read speed? hahahah.